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Offline Chuck_Smith

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PSP Bellcrank Issues (Public Service Announcement?)
« on: November 28, 2019, 06:40:55 AM »
This may be already known but since I've been a stunt hermit for a few years I missed the news.

Anyway, building a new ship for 2020 and like most of you, I have boxes of stuff to pull from for parts. I have bag of the old PSP  4" bellcrank assemblies that have been laying around since the 90's so I grabbed one. It was seized solid to the shaft! Checked another one and the same thing. Went back into the hangar and pulled out a ship I had built back in the day that had one and low and behold, seized controls. I've also had an issue with tightening up controls on an older Bearcat stunter which has one too.

What I found was that it appears that when the brass washer/sleeves that position the bellcrank were soldered on flux was used and that seeped into the pivot area. Over time this has rusted the shaft where it passes through the bellcrank seizing it. BTW, the outside, visible parts are fine and everything looks normal. Good news is simply replacing the shaft fixes the problem.

I tested another old ship that has one and all is well, so it seems to be related to inconsistency when they were made.

So if you have PSP bellcranks loose or in planes you may want to take a look.

I don't blame Windy, I'd say they're out of warranty at this point, LOL!

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Re: PSP Bellcrank Issues (Public Service Announcement?)
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2019, 08:55:11 AM »
This may be already known but since I've been a stunt hermit for a few years I missed the news.

Anyway, building a new ship for 2020 and like most of you, I have boxes of stuff to pull from for parts. I have bag of the old PSP  4" bellcrank assemblies that have been laying around since the 90's so I grabbed one. It was seized solid to the shaft! Checked another one and the same thing. Went back into the hangar and pulled out a ship I had built back in the day that had one and low and behold, seized controls. I've also had an issue with tightening up controls on an older Bearcat stunter which has one too.

What I found was that it appears that when the brass washer/sleeves that position the bellcrank were soldered on flux was used and that seeped into the pivot area. Over time this has rusted the shaft where it passes through the bellcrank seizing it. BTW, the outside, visible parts are fine and everything looks normal. Good news is simply replacing the shaft fixes the problem.

     I would neutralize the center pivot with baking soda and water - the flux stays in the bellcrank material and can rust anything it touches for a long time. I had something similar happen to one of mine, and some of the Windy bellcranks that I somehow came in possession of. On mine, it never had a chance to seize up, but it got rough as it corroded, and severely wore the pivot.

      This is why you don't ever want to use Sta-Brite flux on a closed assembly that cannot be inspected/lubricated/repaired/replaced. And, making soda, lye, etc, will only slow it down. No matter how careful you are, it gets everywhere, and you can't get rid of it. I used some on when I was a kid (long before it was available to the public, it was sold industrially, and my father had it) to solder something, and it got on the surface of my dad's cast iron table saw. It rusted in a few minutes, I wiped it off, rusted again in a day or two, I used baking soda to "neutralize" it, happened again in a few days. My dad noticed and used emery paper and oil to polish it. Rusted again, kept doing it on and off, and last time I saw it, something like 50 years later, it had a rusty spot and a divot there. Of course, that was cast iron, and while it was an excellent casting job, it was porous.

   It's OK if you absolutely have to use it, nothing else seems to work better as a flux, but unless you can clean it immediately and leave *no* voids for it to remain, on steel and non-porous materials, it will corrode everything it touches.

      Brett

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Re: PSP Bellcrank Issues (Public Service Announcement?)
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2019, 11:37:14 AM »
Interesting. I have them in numerous planes and have never had an issue. Difference is I live in a drier environment. I also loved them prior to installation.

Are you sure it is the pivot, or maybe the pushrod connection?

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Re: PSP Bellcrank Issues (Public Service Announcement?)
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2019, 02:10:32 PM »
Interesting. I have them in numerous planes and have never had an issue. Difference is I live in a drier environment. I also loved them prior to installation.

Are you sure it is the pivot, or maybe the pushrod connection?

   I have never put one in an airplane, but the ones I have in my giant box of random parts got that way, no pushrods connected, it's in the pivot. I cut one open and it's exactly as Chuck described, severely corroded and an extremely rough surface. It looks *exactly* like the one I built myself and used Sta-Brite, extremely rough gray powdery surface that is much coarser than any of my needle files,  with predictable results.

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Re: PSP Bellcrank Issues (Public Service Announcement?)
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2019, 02:15:32 PM »
I gear what you say, and understand. So how have mine been unaffected?

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Re: PSP Bellcrank Issues (Public Service Announcement?)
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2019, 02:25:03 PM »
I gear what you say, and understand. So how have mine been unaffected?

   I don't know. Maybe it's just a few batches of them. Mine have been stored here in my closet, it's more-or-less always 30-40% humidity - which is a lot less humid that it is in Kent...

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Re: PSP Bellcrank Issues (Public Service Announcement?)
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2019, 03:04:36 PM »
Just cchecked my supply. 2 left. I perfectly smooth and the second very tight.  They look identical.

?????

I haven't lived in Kent for eight years now.  Quite dry on the eastern side here!  30 - 40% would be very humid here.

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Re: PSP Bellcrank Issues (Public Service Announcement?)
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2019, 08:18:30 PM »
Just cchecked my supply. 2 left. I perfectly smooth and the second very tight.  They look identical.

?????

I haven't lived in Kent for eight years now.  Quite dry on the eastern side here!  30 - 40% would be very humid here.

   Yes, I get that - but hasn't PSP been out of business for longer?

    I assume it is a lot-to-lot or just plain luck/QC problem. Some are good and some are bad.

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Re: PSP Bellcrank Issues (Public Service Announcement?)
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2019, 11:28:26 PM »
I believe that Brodak still sells them. The one I have that is sticky was in a Brodak package.

Best to remove and replace the post.

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Re: PSP Bellcrank Issues (Public Service Announcement?)
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2019, 05:18:55 AM »
I found about 65% of my unused ones have the issue. The hole in the bellcrank is unaffected so they're easily fixed with a piece of .125" piano wire.

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Re: PSP Bellcrank Issues (Public Service Announcement?)
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2019, 05:20:55 AM »
Also,  I now suspect the one in an airplane is seized but the shaft is turning in the mounts. Ouch! Explains the randomly binding controls.
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Re: PSP Bellcrank Issues (Public Service Announcement?)
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2019, 02:19:13 AM »
When I built mine with his stuff I used Stay Bright and then cleaned the stuff off with soda,  then thinner and liberally coated it with grease. The bellcrank I dropped in a big jar of thinner and then kept forcing grease into the pivot until it was saturated. They are very smooth still 30 years later almost.

Probably sitting in a bag unlubricated they rusted just like Brett describes. Mine might be as well just can't feel it.

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Re: PSP Bellcrank Issues (Public Service Announcement?)
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2019, 11:20:07 AM »
Most of the ones I used were purchased without the post attached. I added the post and generally used JB weld to set the bushings and washers to hold them to the mounts. Probably why they are fine to this day.

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Re: PSP Bellcrank Issues (Public Service Announcement?)
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2019, 10:10:09 AM »
Windy used Motorcycle Chain Lube in the Pivot hole, before soldering. It "seemed" to keep the corrosion away. After he sold the molds, I don't know if the tradition continued. 


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