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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Ty Marcucci on April 04, 2006, 10:09:00 AM
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Vic MaCalouso did a F-14 from a SV 11. Kinda neat. I probably butchered the spelling of his name.
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Thanks for the info Ty, I'll check it out
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I *thought* I had posted to this, but it ain't here. ???
Anyways...... A notible "jet style" stunter from the '60s and one of the most successful stunt designs (through its permutations) in history is the USA-1, first flown in 1968!
The version published is the 1969 version. (but the basic design lived through Billy's Geo XL series)
Also notable from 1970 (JUST MISSED CLASSIC!!) is Vic Macaluso's orginal F-8 Crusader and Billy Simon's F-4 Phantom.
I'm leaning more and more towards a rolling 25 year cut off for PAMPA Classic or some other means to allow some of the early '70s planes in. :o ;D
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To: Bill Little
The two-fer in one edition of American Modeler was for Vic Macaluso's F8 and Bill Suarez' F4 Phantom. No problem; I just didn't recall Bill Simons doing any 'jet style' birds.
RE: Rolling cutoff. Personal feelings and opinions will pop up on this one. For me, there seemed to be enough of a design concept change at about 1970, that it seems a sensible thing to keep pre-1970 designs "together."
The biggest change was to ST46, large, sheeted foam wing models of very similar appearance in most cases, leading to the dominance of the ST60 while it was available. Shortly pre-1970 THE engine seemed to be the OS 35S, and foam wings were just coming into use. Sure there were exceptionally advanced individuals, too, yet...
I'd have no objection to seeing a third 'historic era' category, if anyone wants to give it a shot. It seems a bit foolish to use a current cutoff Classic-eligible design against the 1970 and later models, if you like to place well. What reason would there be to fly the 1953-1969 era models at all, if they get lumped in with the later ones?
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I agree with Lou, in that Classic should stay as is with 1969 cut off date. There those of us that fly certain designs just because they were different. DOC Holliday
PS:Still working on the Jumbo, trying to find a prop that will maintain 5.5 laps. 5.3 and the wings disappear inlevel laps.
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Well, I think Classic is safe for the time being. Dixon wanted people to be able to bring 70s vintage ships out every now and then for some contest flying. I can't recall ever seeing a post 1969 plane entered in the nostalga event as it is held at Marietta. Everybody just brings their classic ship and flies it with that. So far one or two events a year has not been enough to get people to bother building a 25 year cutoff model.
Steve
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To: Bill Little
The two-fer in one edition of American Modeler was for Vic Macaluso's F8 and Bill Suarez' F4 Phantom. No problem; I just didn't recall Bill Simons doing any 'jet style' birds.
RE: Rolling cutoff. Personal feelings and opinions will pop up on this one. For me, there seemed to be enough of a design concept change at about 1970, that it seems a sensible thing to keep pre-1970 designs "together."
The biggest change was to ST46, large, sheeted foam wing models of very similar appearance in most cases, leading to the dominance of the ST60 while it was available. Shortly pre-1970 THE engine seemed to be the OS 35S, and foam wings were just coming into use. Sure there were exceptionally advanced individuals, too, yet...
I'd have no objection to seeing a third 'historic era' category, if anyone wants to give it a shot. It seems a bit foolish to use a current cutoff Classic-eligible design against the 1970 and later models, if you like to place well. What reason would there be to fly the 1953-1969 era models at all, if they get lumped in with the later ones?
Well, Lou,
I'm not leaning far enough to vote in a rolling cut off date! ;D
I am fine with the Dec. 31,1969 cutoff.
But, a USA-1, '62 Ares, Pre-'70 Gieseke Nobler, and plenty others would be more than competitive with the later planes. it's all in the trimming and power plant, as we have seen. Kenny Stevens won Advanced at the NATS a couple years ago with a Cavalier.
Anyhoo.......... my apolgises to Mr. Suarez! I was just on the phone with him a couple Saturdays ago about his P-38! Don't have a CLUE as to why I said Simons........ ain't getting old fun?? ;D ;D
Maybe one day there will be a "Super '70s class or something, but it doesn't really matter to me. I pretty much build whatever I like anyway whether it is for PAMPA Advanced, OTS, or Classic.
Since my "favorite plane" has become the USA-1, I have to get me another one built. It will serve me well for "double duty".
I just wonder when Billy is going to show up with his original WC USA-1 and fly it at VSC! (it is legal) :o
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I still have that issue of American Aircraft Modeler with the Phantom and Crusader. It's June 1971 and has a picture of a P63 on the cover in a civilian paint job.
Great construction articles. They did not say much about how they flew though.
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I still have that issue of American Aircraft Modeler with the Phantom and Crusader. It's June 1971 and has a picture of a P63 on the cover in a civilian paint job.
Great construction articles. They did not say much about how they flew though.
Hi Steve,
According to Vic, the '70 NATS was the only contest where his Crusader "didn't bring home the hardware". Several flyers from the NE have told me how good the Crusader flew.
He also built a SV-11 based piped Crusader when he returned to CLPA around 1993. Randy Smith told me it was a very good flying plane, also.
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Bill,
I'd just like to move the cut-off date forward a year. That would allow a bunch of stuff that I've always wanted to build. Cut-off of 12/31/1970 would suit me fine. But if it doesn't happen, that's OK, too.
Just wait till I show up at VSC with a Bernie Ash Supersonic Stunter. ;D
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Bill,
I'd just like to move the cut-off date forward a year. That would allow a bunch of stuff that I've always wanted to build. Cut-off of 12/31/1970 would suit me fine. But if it doesn't happen, that's OK, too.
Just wait till I should up at VSC with a Bernie Ash Supersonic Stunter. ;D
Speaking of Bernie Ash..............
I have started a Bernie Ash plane for a construction article to be published next year. All I can say is that it has never been the subject of a Magazine article before. :o
As to the moving of the cuttoff date, I don't see it happening "officially". As has been mentioned, Tom Dixon (originator of the "Vintage", later Classic, event) has experimented with a rolling cut off at his local contests for the past couple years. Unfortunately, I have not seen a "post" 1969 plane entered yet.
The Genesis 35, Stunt Machine, Stiletto 35, and especially Macaluso's 35 Crusader, are a few I would be interested in building.
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For Lou Crane, FWIW, the Bill Simons designed "Scorpio" was a "Jet-Styled" design, in the mid-70's. FM still has plans, of course. 8) Steve
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Steve,
>>FM still has plans, of course.<<
As do I. First of the big, 60 style jet stunters. And a very nice flying plane. ;D