It has come to my attention that there are a few that would like this site to go away. With the continued bombardment with FED Book promos. Let me know now and save me the trouble of whiners and crybabies and I just pack up and save my time and trouble. Those jokers can stay on FEDBOOK but I will tell you it comes with consequences.RC Storick ...Good morning from deep in the woods of Arlington Washington.
If you want to keep people here on Stunthanger, curtail the political rhetoric.
Curtail all the political rhetoric.
Left, Right, Republican, Democrat, just put a stop to the conversations. You have lost a LOT of good people to Phacebook because of the political crap. It's your sandbox Sparky, so you get to make the rules. However, you too, are subject to the consequences of the culture you create here. I come here solely for model airplane info and hold my nose while sifting through all the culture war and politics crap to see if there is anything to look at that is model related. So, you can enjoy your shrinking echo chamber, or you can moderate and hope to repair the holes you have left open in your ship.
And they can stay there. This place is just like TV only watch the channels you like. Do you call the News stations when they post BS? nopeDo you then call the tv station an cry when your favorite show gets cancelled because of low viewership?
I hope I'm not one of those because I stated what I saw on FB when I asked to join the PAMPA group. I still like this site and consider Stunt Hanger my go to site. I visit the gallery to see the planes. I also go the different sections on this forum as I still or would like to fly the different events .Also if I didn't think this site was worth it I would quit sending in my small donation to keep it going. When I look at posts I can see who has donated and who hasn't. Those that don't donate I have low respect for. D>K S?P
Do you then call the tv station an cry when your favorite show gets cancelled because of low viewership?
That's what you are experiencing with the drop in forum engagement, Sparky. Fewer people are coming to this forum and you are crying about it and then making a toxic environment that is chasing good people away.
You need to wake up.
I started this and when it started politics was about the Brodak wars. The subjects that get mentioned here and some get their panties in a wad can leave forever. I will still be here I will not be bullied into submission
I fail to see how saying that posting pictures on FB is easy equates to wanting Stunt Hangar to end???
I started this and when it started politics was about the Brodak wars. The subjects that get mentioned here and some get their panties in a wad can leave forever. I will still be here I will not be bullied into submission
Sparky:
Do not pay any attention or give even the slightest time of day to the idiot morons who only visit and post here to promote their woke/liberal crap and try to stand judge over everything with which they do not agree. They are like locusts who only seek to devour. They are more to be pitied than censured. I've had to deal with some of these morons for years, and I just let their vitriol roll off my back like water off a duck. Remember, if you are doing something right, there will alway be small minded, self righteous, misguided, petty, jealous (especially jealous) people who can only tear down; they can never build up. They will alway be with us, and the vast majority of people here who appreciate what you are doing will always be able to quickly identify them and then simply ignore them. That is what gets to them the most; just ignore them.
Bob Hunt
Still recovering from a massive heart attack only 10 days ago and being advised by my Cardiologist to avoid stress and conflict, I guess I should not even write this but I guess in a way all this discussion about and the Control Line Group is mostly my fault.
Robert, If you want to blame someone for the control line group and the following it has, you can blame me. A few years ago I created what is now the biggest Control Line Discussion group on and maybe on social media. It is entitled “CONTROL LINE FLYING.” And now has almost 10,000 members at last count and many of them are overseas. It actually turned into an international following. I also created the sister group called “CONTROL LINE CLASSIFIEDS” where members can buy, sell and swap control line related items. I do not apologize for doing it and when I bowed out as the founder and administrator of those groups, I turned it over to a couple of guys who built upon it and made it a bustling control line site. They, by the way, are members of your group as well.
I am acutely aware of the “evils” of and the political censorship and persecution of conservative and Christian beliefs and the asinine so called fact checkers and if you went through the group, you would see that the current moderators do not allow politics on the site regardless of persuasion. I do not think the CCP, Putin, the CIA or NSA really care too much about what is put on a toy airplane forum. As a side note here, I spent 4 years in the Air Force spying on the Soviet Union, their Soyuz Manned Space program and the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong troop movements from 1969-1973 so I know a little bit about clandestine operations.
We should all be concerned about maintaining and growing the control line community and if social media, and others, can contribute to making the hobby stronger and survive a little longer, I see absolutely no problem with doing so.
I saw the previous post by a couple of really excellent stunt folks and friends of mine on here in regard to PAMPA and I also saw you locked the thread down and prohibited any further discussion on the subject.
Lenoard’s site is history, Dee Rice and the Brotherhood is history and for all practical purposes, you are the last man standing in this genre.
I just do not understand your personal hate for a group that has done nothing but bring hundreds of more people into the hobby and I would venture to guess, to your site as well.
This is your site and you can run it anyway you see fit but please be careful that you do not go the way of Leonard’s and Dee’s sites. We need you and the platform you offer. NOBODY wants this site to go away.
We should expect nothing more and accept what is occurring here in this forum when ideological distortion motivates people to express their beliefs and opinions whether illegitimate or not. It's not just here but everywhere. Within families, workplaces, between friends, isn't this the basis and need for "separation of church and state"? All benefit is lost when people fail to maintain respect for one another by refraining to restrain themselves. Verbal political activism and expression only polarizes a community such as Stunthanger. If this is to be an open venue for political expression that's fine, continue as you wish, I for one can live with that. I certainly can find it elsewhere and I know I am secure enough that I don't need to come here to vent my emotions. But as adminstrators and key contributors keep in mind and whether you give a hoot or not, many do not enjoy it and find it disconcerting. So be aware if it "gets their panties in a wad" they just may participate less or go away altogether. I thought the basic premise of Stunthanger was to promote and retain CL modeling, don't diminish a good thing give thought to that in what decision you make. Steve
I seem to remember a while back you asked me to delete your full account. But I know how this goes and didn't. There are a few more besides you who bombard this site with enticements to go to FB. Why am I so down on FB. Because it's a DARPA ,CIA information gathering tool. Spying
I think that banning the word face book is a bad play. It's what MSN and all those liberal sites do.
I HAVE A SUGGESTION: Why not create a unique topic area and call it "CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES" or something and place it down below between the Contest Calendar and the Vendor Corner. Here people can go to vent and express their feelings and opinions on politics, who they dislike or hate and freely discuss issues that others are not interested in stumbling into while entering the general topic area.
Everybody will be happy, none of the non interested become offended and anyone can post anything non CL related to their hearts content. It's a Win Win and Stunthanger continues as is.
Steve
You guys are missing what I think is the bigger picture. It's not a matter of patriotism or guarding against the red menace or the deep state. It also isn't that one can just choose to ignore obvious threads that are political by title. The matter, is, the political rancor that permeates so many of the posts and the accompanying devolution of so many discussions into unnessecary political tribalism. It's like an continual on-going thought purity test that has ZERO to do with control line airplanes.
Conflating a few guys on-going beefs with Sparky or Stunthanger is not the same as what is being presented as some massive attack on freedom of speech and the American way. Getting your patriotic keyboard pitchforks and torches ready for ideological warfare doesn't do anything to fix the loss of engaged contributing members of Stunthanger to phacebook.
It's up to each member to insist that stunthanger must be welcoming, free from 20 year old pampa grudges and resolve that it must be a respite from all the culture/political crap that we face in our lives daily. Politics/religion/ideology/preference are personal. Keep your politics/religion/ideology/preference to yourself or watch Stunthanger diminish into tribal irrelevance. I for one think the loss of Stunthanger would be terrible, and this site can't afford to alienate any more contributors.
Tone it down fellas.
If you would like I'll give you a quick, free of charge guided tour of ALL the topics on page one of the OPEN FORUM that you should NOT click on .
Chuck M. you crack me up, I laughed so hard I fell off the chair and wacked my head, I doubt I'll ever fly level again!!
I need the name of your lawyer. Now, would you prefer to continue this issue clicking away on the OPEN FORUM or keep it to ourselves in the CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES area?
I just blacked out again this is getting serious.
Steve
Our cat's litterbox is in one of our restrooms. Please don't blow me off LL~ LL~
Blow them off Sparky ......A lot of them are same the type that think it's ok to have a cat litter box in a restroom ....
Our cat's litterbox is in one of our restrooms. Please don't blow me off LL~ LL~
It has come to my attention that there are a few that would like this site to go away. With the continued bombardment with FED Book promos. Let me know now and save me the trouble of whiners and crybabies and I just pack up and save my time and trouble. Those jokers can stay on FEDBOOK but I will tell you it comes with consequences.
After reading all the above - maybe some time for some laughs?
Some reasonably famous joker ( like a movie star who moved into politics ) some time back once said
"I don't tell jokes. I merely observe the government and report the facts"
Sums it all up beautifully at the end of the day really.
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... You have lost a LOT of good people ...
"GOOD PEOPLE" do not tell others what to think or do. Grow up and come back to planet earth. Let the schoolyard bullies leave. Consider it one of your own options ...
Dennis
Dennis, thanks for illustrating my point. You are totally buying into the idea that someone is trying to control what to think or do.
It may feel cathartic for many guys to release their inner political gas somehow in nearly every post they make. To most of the folks reading along though, that continual political flatulence smells and sounds just like a shi#ty fart. I have no interest in your farts. Nobody cares about your farts. Keep your farts to yourself.
- I am proposing that discussions of political ideology don't have a single damn thing to do with control line airplanes.
- I am further proposing the concept that encouraging some self control in keeping forum posts on topic and not devolving into political diatribes would likely keep more folks active on Stunthanger.
It isn't the "school yard bullies" that have left. It is the top-5 type nats guys and other talented folks that just aren't participating in this forum to the degree that they used to, or at all anymore. I know this because these guys actively post on Fa-cebook with their new builds and new information. This information NEVER EVER reaches Stunthanger. GET IT! It ISN'T REACHING STUNTHANGER. WHY IS THAT? HMMMM, I WONDER WHY!!!@!!!
We all lose out if guys like that don't participate here.
o.This is where I can sympathize with the folks who want to kill the political stuff. We have many threads that started out with perfectly good CL stunt questions that drifted off into a insult competition. So you click "Bellcrank Position" and have to read through page after page of some moron calling some other moron a moron and pretty soon some post that actually addresses the thread looks totally out of place.
It may feel cathartic for many guys to release their inner political gas somehow in nearly every post they make
Page one of the OPEN FORUM has 50 threads
currently the only political threads are this one and the HUMOR Thread.
A person would need to be a Middle School Drama Queen to throw a hissy fit about the Humor Thread..and then flee to FB.
So even a totally blind person only has a 1 in 50 chance of finding a "political thread" on page one of this forum....
It seems that Libs need to go out of their way to click on the political threads..looking for ways to be offended as if it is their sworn duty.
I have sent him 2 .15 size engines with props when he was begging for them so he could build and test some .15 stunt planes. The irony is that he did not use them and when he quit the hobby for (3rd time?) he sold them, not return them. That right there tells you what kind of person he is.
No integrity or loyalty.
To further Ken C's and many others points here,
Let’s take it a little out of context if I may. Stunthanger is like a party a friend often throws you enjoy going to. There’s food and drinks and if you care to you may wish to bring along a token gift as an expression of appreciation for the invite. You can be assured there will always be good company, fun, interesting people you’ve grown to know over time. Normally the party hosts around 25 people but more recently there have been several who wish to argue topics to the point of becoming heated. One recently became so irritated he stormed off saying he would never return. Over time you’ve noticed the 25 has diminished and several of your closest friends have stopped showing. The party has now lost it’s glow and the few that are relentless continue to become louder and overbearing. You don’t participate and would prefer to ignore them, or even find another room but their behavior has tainted the atmosphere affecting everyone throughout.
So you ask does it require “maturity” to keep from over hearing what now dominates what once was a comfortable enjoyable place? Is it enjoyable being where people that once were fun would prefer to bring up unsavory topics with no resolution. The argumentative few have become so passionately possessed they cannot see the effect of their actions. Do they not have the respect for others or care they are ruining something by conducting themselves in a manner that has no place? If challenged they will of course respond with..they have the right to say what they wish and they do, but at the expense of the party?? You wonder what their goal and ultimate gain is here, what are they contributing?. I think it’s best they take it to the street or even better take it to the bar down the road, surely there will be some folks in there that would love a good conflict. In reality though remember, they’d not longer be sitting in front of their laptop and may very well get their asses kicked good and well. If nothing else get a good “Chris Rock” on the kisser.
Steve