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Imminent demise of SIG?????
« on: December 11, 2022, 05:20:33 AM »
Greetings All,  i apologise if this has already been discussed but does anyone have any insider info. on SIG?

Stocks of kits on their website and also Brodak has long been zero,  just wondering if this is a rough patch or are we anticipating something final? Lucky Ive managed to snap up a Chipmunk..!

(this reminds me of when the classic Alvey fishing reel company (Aust) announced that they were closing -all the enthusiasts were outraged and suddenly started buying up stock before The End... Result was that Alvey got so busy it had to put on new staff and work 24/7 to fill orders, and then was subject to a friendly takeover!!)

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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2022, 08:14:56 AM »
Greetings All,  i apologise if this has already been discussed but does anyone have any insider info. on SIG?

Stocks of kits on their website and also Brodak has long been zero,  just wondering if this is a rough patch or are we anticipating something final? Lucky Ive managed to snap up a Chipmunk..!

(this reminds me of when the classic Alvey fishing reel company (Aust) announced that they were closing -all the enthusiasts were outraged and suddenly started buying up stock before The End... Result was that Alvey got so busy it had to put on new staff and work 24/7 to fill orders, and then was subject to a friendly takeover!!)

cheers

Phil

Hi Phil...
I've got just an anecdote.
Sometime during the CV19 Panic  I placed a fairly large order with SIG and was told that due to shortages it might take a long while for them to fill the order.
I told them to just send me what they could as the stuff trickles in.
I asked them about the shortage and they claimed it was due to a massive increase in interest due to the CV19 Panic.
This was 2 years ago and I never got anything from SIG, never got billed and forgot about the order...until they contacted me recently [last 30 days..?] and asked if I still wanted "my stuff"

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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2022, 09:09:36 AM »
It seems like SIG is surely headed downhill. I have had some fuel on order for some 4 months now which has yet to show up. I have emailed them many times and I just get excuses. But no fuel. I did a web order, so they have my $$.

I don't plan to send them anymore $$. I won't make that mistake again!!

I will stick w/ Brodak. They have been very good.

Brodak and Ritche's have fuel, why not SIG??
« Last Edit: December 11, 2022, 09:58:47 AM by Colin McRae »

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2022, 11:39:12 AM »
SIG posts regularly on their facebook page with updates and just last week announced the new shipment of RC ARF's had arrived.......
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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2022, 11:47:15 AM »
     SIG is an old, long standing company that is near and dear to my heart. I used to drool over their ads in the model magazines as a kid, dreaming of all the wood , glue, kits, and dope I wish I could afford at that time to order and even going to the factory to take one of the  tours that they offered. SIG had a major presence in all disciplines of the hobby and at one time were the worlds largest supplier of hobby woods, balsa, plywood , bass wood, and Sitka Spruce. I finally got my chance to tour the facility when I went to my first SIG C/L contest in 1987. It was a thrill to meet Hazel SIG, Maxey Hester, Mike Gretz, Mike Pratt, and many others in the SIG "Family."  SIG was a company that was truly built up from scratch. Glenn and Hazel started out by cutting and selling balsa in their basement and garage. As time went by and sales increased, they added more products and grew the company with their own hands. All those years later, I got to see where and how they cut and finished the best balsa that you could buy.. SIG was an amazingly self reliant and self sufficient company, making a high percentage of their products in house, doing their own packaging and printing Doing most of their own metal forming and fabrication. Glenn was the genius behind all of that, and it was amazing to see it all in operation. Walking through their R&D Department, you could see the prototypes of all the great models that you saw in the ads and in their self printed catalog. I think I thought of the line " Is this heaven?" long before the concept of the movie "Field of Dreams" was ever conceived ! But I was also in Iowa at the time! My biggest disappointment was not being able to meet Glenn SIG, who had been tragically killed in an airplane crash several years before.
     I made that trip to Montezuma, Iowa for 28 or 29 years straight and enjoyed the friendliness and generosity of the SIG organization and have countless memories of those great times. Time passed, and Hazel and Maxey reached a point where they wanted to retire and enjoy the fruits of what they had built. SIG was sold a number of times, once coming back into ownership by Hazel , but Maxey had passed away, and the company was again sold. I don't have any inside information on what the subsequent owners did in running the company but the obviously tried to stay relevant in the hobby market , primarily within the ARF R/C kit arena. The times continued to change along with markets and such. I have lost track of the total number of times the company was sold. The current owner has tried to upgrade equipment and technology as availability of capital allowed, and we get to the point where we are today, after a very rough 2 or 3 years of dealing with the pandemic. SIG is still there, although not anywhere near what they used to be, but they are still there. Think about some of the other much, much larger companies that have not survived the changes the world had gone through in the last ten years and especially the last three. Have you shopped at Sears or K-Mart lately? General Motors is a shell of it's former self but thanks to a huge government buy out still survives but there are only about half of the brands under their roof that there used to be. If you haven't noticed or are really new to the hobby, the hobby industry has shrunk tremendously. In my area, it used to take me all day on a Saturday to drive around town and visit all the hobby shops here. Now there are only 2 left and I can do it in an hour.
   The last thing that any company needs is to have a lot of bad press and negativity spread about it. SIG is not there to take your money maliciously. It has been discussed and posted on the forum here many times that they are a company that is in transition and trying to stay in business to serve those of us still left and hopefully people new to the hobby. it has been posted here numerous times that if you want to order something from SIG, it is best to call them, check on availability and price and do your transaction over the phone. This is what SIG themselves are telling customers. That's how we did it in the good old days! It costs money to keep changing and upgrading a web site and one could understand how they could get behind on that as things are probably changing almost daily. I see Becky ,( who I got to know through the SIG contests and SIG's sponsorship of the early days of KidVenture at Oshkosh,) post a lot on facebook looking for people that have old newspapers to donate to use as packing material. That ought to give you an idea on how far they are trying to stretch funding these days.
   I'm sure the easiest thing to do would be for them to just close up shop and board up the buildings and lay off what employees are left, but they keep soldering on. If you want to purchase from them, do so with some due diligence and help keep them afloat. If you do not wish to purchase from them, you are free to do so, that's free enterprise in action. But no sense in beating the funeral drums for them until if and when that actually happens. It doesn't help their current situation and discourages anyone else that still wishes to do business with them. Put yourself in Beck's place!

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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2022, 01:40:10 PM »
Wow Dan thanks for the heartfelt and detailed answer. Explains it beautifully. I’m new-old to the hobby having been well and truly obsessed when I was in school but put it on the shelf to finish school, university and beyond, so with a teenage son now I’m getting enormous pleasure by getting back into the hobby. His first build was a Akromaster. When I was doing junior stunt the go to plane was the sig twister. Seemingly unobtainable in Australia I flew a topflite tutor !  Sig seemed the holy grail and so I’m currently snapping up as many of their designs as I can. Currently have a Banshee on the building table.. it was amazing how opening the kit box and the smell of balsa, also the smell of heat shrink film brought it flooding back. I am excited as a schoolboy to have my Super chipmunk, at last, in the post!
It is wonderful how much easier the internet and international e commerce has made it, also forums like this where we can benefit from Statesmen of the hobby.
So Sig just has long Covid… long live Sig and long live control line!

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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2022, 02:07:52 PM »
Wow Dan thanks for the heartfelt and detailed answer. Explains it beautifully. I’m new-old to the hobby having been well and truly obsessed when I was in school but put it on the shelf to finish school, university and beyond, so with a teenage son now I’m getting enormous pleasure by getting back into the hobby. His first build was a Akromaster. When I was doing junior stunt the go to plane was the sig twister. Seemingly unobtainable in Australia I flew a topflite tutor !  Sig seemed the holy grail and so I’m currently snapping up as many of their designs as I can. Currently have a Banshee on the building table.. it was amazing how opening the kit box and the smell of balsa, also the smell of heat shrink film brought it flooding back. I am excited as a schoolboy to have my Super chipmunk, at last, in the post!
It is wonderful how much easier the internet and international e commerce has made it, also forums like this where we can benefit from Statesmen of the hobby.
So Sig just has long Covid… long live Sig and long live control line!

     I sure do feel sorry for you guys on the other side of the globe and your difficulty in obtaining what you want and need. As another matter of history on the subject, you might be surprised to know that at one time, SIG was partially owned by a gentleman from New Zealand, Chris LeHay I believe was his name. I'm sure I am mis-spelling his last name. He was in the process of a multiyear take over of the company, spending our summers here and the rest of the year at his home, when he a serious health scare. I think the story was that he was on an island jumper plane headed to a main airport to come back here for the summer, and suffered a major heart attack, and nearly died if it were not for having the proper equipment on board and a person that new what to do with it. I think Chris was a great person and would have done the company proud, but we will never know. The current owner has been trying to ease the process of getting balsa, and working on new suppliers. The ARF making business if a very fragile thing. Companies coming and going with no stability. Brodak is dealing with the same issue, witness their not currently bringing any new C/L ARFs in at this time. China is going through as much or more troubles as any where else in the world and no end in sight. If you have some SIG kits in your possession, maybe consider using them as templates and scratch build. You may have better access to decent balsa than we do. Like the old saying goes, "Things are tough all over!" And we ain't close to being out of the woods yet. We just have to work together, support the suppliers we have, and do the best we can with what we got.
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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2022, 03:51:31 PM »
    I think you are seeing a convergence of issues - recession, lockdowns, etc. But as previously discussed, the hobby of model building of nearly any type is simply not what it used to be, and rapidly headed to extremely narrow group of enthusiasts instead of a viable mass-market operation. It's not just particular companies, it's not CL particularly,  it's just not "a thing" anymore. RC means buying a toy on-line, not building anything from even a kit.

   I don't think it is realistic to expect to have general-purpose  model airplane companies as we know them to be around for long; in fact, it's a tribute to inertia that any still exist. It's going to get balkanized into niche and cottage industry suppliers. That's not necessarily bad - the quality of what you can get now is vastly better than your average Jetco/Sterling/Top Flight/Carl Goldberg offering. It's just different.

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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2022, 04:55:06 PM »
Well from the facebook page, SIG is trying to make a go of it.  We need all the suppliers we can get so let's not hasten Sig's demise. 

I really like SIG fuel. 

I visited Brodak in October this year.  They have a huge inventory (maybe excessive) of kits and parts.  Not a lot of ARF but many many kits.  A lot of stuff is not on the website or catalog.  With so much cash tied up in inventory, it may be difficult to buy a container of ARFs.
A lot of inventory that  I wonder if there is demand.  How many J-Roberts 3-line systems are people buying?   

I did my part at Brodak and came back with a trunkful of stuff.   :)
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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2022, 08:58:42 PM »
     SIG is an old, long standing company that is near and dear to my heart. I used to drool over their ads in the model magazines as a kid, dreaming of all the wood , glue, kits, and dope I wish I could afford at that time to order and even going to the factory to take one of the  tours that they offered. SIG had a major presence in all disciplines of the hobby and at one time were the worlds largest supplier of hobby woods, balsa, plywood , bass wood, and Sitka Spruce. I finally got my chance to tour the facility when I went to my first SIG C/L contest in 1987. It was a thrill to meet Hazel SIG, Maxey Hester, Mike Gretz, Mike Pratt, and many others in the SIG "Family."  SIG was a company that was truly built up from scratch. Glenn and Hazel started out by cutting and selling balsa in their basement and garage. As time went by and sales increased, they added more products and grew the company with their own hands. All those years later, I got to see where and how they cut and finished the best balsa that you could buy.. SIG was an amazingly self reliant and self sufficient company, making a high percentage of their products in house, doing their own packaging and printing Doing most of their own metal forming and fabrication. Glenn was the genius behind all of that, and it was amazing to see it all in operation. Walking through their R&D Department, you could see the prototypes of all the great models that you saw in the ads and in their self printed catalog. I think I thought of the line " Is this heaven?" long before the concept of the movie "Field of Dreams" was ever conceived ! But I was also in Iowa at the time! My biggest disappointment was not being able to meet Glenn SIG, who had been tragically killed in an airplane crash several years before.
     I made that trip to Montezuma, Iowa for 28 or 29 years straight and enjoyed the friendliness and generosity of the SIG organization and have countless memories of those great times. Time passed, and Hazel and Maxey reached a point where they wanted to retire and enjoy the fruits of what they had built. SIG was sold a number of times, once coming back into ownership by Hazel , but Maxey had passed away, and the company was again sold. I don't have any inside information on what the subsequent owners did in running the company but the obviously tried to stay relevant in the hobby market , primarily within the ARF R/C kit arena. The times continued to change along with markets and such. I have lost track of the total number of times the company was sold. The current owner has tried to upgrade equipment and technology as availability of capital allowed, and we get to the point where we are today, after a very rough 2 or 3 years of dealing with the pandemic. SIG is still there, although not anywhere near what they used to be, but they are still there. Think about some of the other much, much larger companies that have not survived the changes the world had gone through in the last ten years and especially the last three. Have you shopped at Sears or K-Mart lately? General Motors is a shell of it's former self but thanks to a huge government buy out still survives but there are only about half of the brands under their roof that there used to be. If you haven't noticed or are really new to the hobby, the hobby industry has shrunk tremendously. In my area, it used to take me all day on a Saturday to drive around town and visit all the hobby shops here. Now there are only 2 left and I can do it in an hour.
   The last thing that any company needs is to have a lot of bad press and negativity spread about it. SIG is not there to take your money maliciously. It has been discussed and posted on the forum here many times that they are a company that is in transition and trying to stay in business to serve those of us still left and hopefully people new to the hobby. it has been posted here numerous times that if you want to order something from SIG, it is best to call them, check on availability and price and do your transaction over the phone. This is what SIG themselves are telling customers. That's how we did it in the good old days! It costs money to keep changing and upgrading a web site and one could understand how they could get behind on that as things are probably changing almost daily. I see Becky ,( who I got to know through the SIG contests and SIG's sponsorship of the early days of KidVenture at Oshkosh,) post a lot on facebook looking for people that have old newspapers to donate to use as packing material. That ought to give you an idea on how far they are trying to stretch funding these days.
   I'm sure the easiest thing to do would be for them to just close up shop and board up the buildings and lay off what employees are left, but they keep soldering on. If you want to purchase from them, do so with some due diligence and help keep them afloat. If you do not wish to purchase from them, you are free to do so, that's free enterprise in action. But no sense in beating the funeral drums for them until if and when that actually happens. It doesn't help their current situation and discourages anyone else that still wishes to do business with them. Put yourself in Beck's place!

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 Couldn't be a better explanation Dan, well done, and thank you. Personally, I've gotten really tired of people being all dramatic about SIG's status and practically seeming anxious to be the first to hear of and proclaim their demise. Too many people in our world today seem to thrive and feed on other peoples struggles, like it builds their own ego or something. Those people really need a life. SIG's situation is not new news to our community and is one of those topics where if you don't have something good to say it would just be better kept to yourself.
 
 Additionally, I have the same memories as Dan from my youth, I had the SIG catalogs memorized and have built almost every C/L kit they ever produced, many of them multiple times. I never was big into R/C but I did also build a half dozen or so of those kits. Back in Junior High me and my closest few modeling buddies would often get together specifically to make out our list for SIG and MAIL in a group order. The nearest "LHS" was 90-100 miles away from us. Living in southern MN we were only a few hundred miles from Montezuma. We would combine our lists, fill out our order blank, write a check and drop it in the mailbox. In 4-5 business days we'd receive our stuff, every time, like clockwork. Those were always a long 4-5 days in sitting school with the anticipation of coming home to that next box of "goodies".
 As it was, there was a quite a few years where if you couldn't get it from SIG, you probably didn't need it. Tower Hobbies came along somewhere around that time and between them and SIG you had everything covered.
 Thinking back now, all those years ago as I first entered into the hobby, I'm pretty confident that if SIG hadn't been there to serve us I may not have found the enjoyment, met all the lifelong modeling friends, and stuck with the hobby as I did. It's been a tough road for a lot of small companies in the country these days, SIG is one of them, but I do wish them the best and hope they can keep on keepin' on.
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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2022, 09:09:23 PM »
Well from the facebook page, SIG is trying to make a go of it.  We need all the suppliers we can get so let's not hasten Sig's demise. 

  Don't get me wrong, I am not pulling for them to fail and I don't think anyone else is, either. I merely note the reality, they are fighting against almost every trend.

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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2022, 09:10:50 PM »
Everything dies eventually.  So will our hobby.

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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2022, 09:15:57 PM »
Everything dies eventually.  So will our hobby.

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 Nice outlook.  ::)
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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2022, 07:38:19 AM »
Nice outlook.  ::)

Just stating the obvious.  I have been a dealer for SIG for several years and just got an email this morning from Becky saying that the "former" owner of SIG took the company back over in June of this year and to quote her, "they are trying to catch up on back orders and needless to say, things were a mess." 

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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2022, 10:50:27 AM »
Just stating the obvious. I have been a dealer for SIG for several years and just got an email this morning from Becky saying that the "former" owner of SIG took the company back over in June of this year and to quote her, "they are trying to catch up on back orders and needless to say, things were a mess."

This is good to know, Mike. In the past in my dealings with them through the years, they were reputable and good to deal with. Glad to hear that we haven't lost them as a resource.

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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2022, 08:55:06 AM »
Several years ago I was walking around an outdoor art show in Inverness Florida wearing an old SIG sweatshirt when a lady approached me and asked how I had obtained the shirt. The shirt does get noticed when I'm out and about because of where I live. My county is all about guns, golf and Harleys so they all think it's a Sig Sauer shirt and they seem crushed when I tell them what the company sells. Well the lady that approached me not only lived in Montezuma she actually worked at SIG for several years! Small world.
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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2022, 08:23:10 PM »
Several years ago I was walking around an outdoor art show in Inverness Florida wearing an old SIG sweatshirt when a lady approached me and asked how I had obtained the shirt. The shirt does get noticed when I'm out and about because of where I live. My county is all about guns, golf and Harleys so they all think it's a Sig Sauer shirt and they seem crushed when I tell them what the company sells. Well the lady that approached me not only lived in Montezuma she actually worked at SIG for several years! Small world.

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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2022, 01:22:58 AM »
Long Live Sig. They never forgot about us during the big Exodu$ to RC.  Do yourself a favor and buy their 4" Bellcrank, Im very pleased with them, they are THAT good!

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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2022, 07:22:42 AM »
Everything dies eventually.  So will our hobby.

Mike
Let's not be pessimistic - things die, only to be reborn some time (long or short) in the future.  Take New Orleans jazz, for instance - or the Country Blues, or other kinds of folk music.  Dead for twenty years, then a big boom in the 1950s, or 1960s in the case of folk and blues.  Still bubbling away under the surface, all ready to come back into fashion in some new guise.  I can see that happening to control-line, with things like electric power and Spectra lines making everything just that much easier to handle than the plastic Cox RTFs of fond memory - and less noisy, too.  Maybe, just maybe...
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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2022, 09:21:46 AM »
Let's not be pessimistic - things die, only to be reborn some time (long or short) in the future.  Take New Orleans jazz, for instance - or the Country Blues, or other kinds of folk music.  Dead for twenty years, then a big boom in the 1950s, or 1960s in the case of folk and blues.  Still bubbling away under the surface, all ready to come back into fashion in some new guise.  I can see that happening to control-line, with things like electric power and Spectra lines making everything just that much easier to handle than the plastic Cox RTFs of fond memory - and less noisy, too.  Maybe, just maybe...

Yes, like bell bottom pants,  CDs, 8 track tapes......I was not being pessimistic, I was being realistic.  Personally, I wish control flying and all that goes with it could last forever, but that is not realistic.  I had no idea that my simple statement was going to cause such a debate.  As I said before, I have been a dealer for SIG for many years and it is my sincere wish that they can weather the storm and stay with us.  I talked with them a couple of days ago and they are facing an uphill battle, especially with the Control Line segment. 

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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2022, 09:50:28 AM »
Yes, like bell bottom pants,  CDs, 8 track tapes......I was not being pessimistic, I was being realistic.  Personally, I wish control flying and all that goes with it could last forever, but that is not realistic.  I had no idea that my simple statement was going to cause such a debate.  As I said before, I have been a dealer for SIG for many years and it is my sincere wish that they can weather the storm and stay with us.  I talked with them a couple of days ago and they are facing an uphill battle, especially with the Control Line segment. 

    I think this is all looking at backwards. Modeling and particularly CL, as we used to know it (or the way we imagine it used to be) has been effectively gone for decades. Generalist model airplane companies have largely been gone for decades as well, and even the Godzilla of modeling distributor (that consolidated all the individual manufacturers into a single company), Tower, went bankrupt.

     But *we* - the people here and others doing what we are doing, that is, flying CL Stunt competition, have something we like, and seems to have some sustaining appeal. We have enough to keep going, in fact, grow, as long as we look at it from a positive perspective. There are a lot of things like that - they still have rodeos even though knowing how to rope cattle and ride a horse hasn't been of any practical value for 100 years.  Women still sew their own clothes and make quilts, even though we can go buy a very good and much more usable quilt from Target for $8.

     I am not sure if this is what Mark was getting to above or not, but we have something we like and we know appeals to a few hundred people, RC in some form will always exist (although they are going through the same withdrawal and stages of grief we have been for years). Forget the 50/60's, that was half a century ago, we have something *now*, we think it's as good as it has ever been *now*, let's move forward to make it better rather than lament what our memories tell is about the good old days.

   Brett

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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2022, 11:34:53 AM »
First kit I ever "attempted" to build was a Sig Doubler. I was about 12? Ended up buying a built one and took a second or third in club pylon racing with it.

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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2022, 11:53:11 AM »
    I think this is all looking at backwards. Modeling and particularly CL, as we used to know it (or the way we imagine it used to be) has been effectively gone for decades. Generalist model airplane companies have largely been gone for decades as well, and even the Godzilla of modeling distributor (that consolidated all the individual manufacturers into a single company), Tower, went bankrupt.

     But *we* - the people here and others doing what we are doing, that is, flying CL Stunt competition, have something we like, and seems to have some sustaining appeal. We have enough to keep going, in fact, grow, as long as we look at it from a positive perspective. There are a lot of things like that - they still have rodeos even though knowing how to rope cattle and ride a horse hasn't been of any practical value for 100 years.  Women still sew their own clothes and make quilts, even though we can go buy a very good and much more usable quilt from Target for $8.

     I am not sure if this is what Mark was getting to above or not, but we have something we like and we know appeals to a few hundred people, RC in some form will always exist (although they are going through the same withdrawal and stages of grief we have been for years). Forget the 50/60's, that was half a century ago, we have something *now*, we think it's as good as it has ever been *now*, let's move forward to make it better rather than lament what our memories tell is about the good old days.

   Brett

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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2022, 12:59:17 PM »
I can still get the components I need, or make them myself.  What concerns me is the loss of flying sites.  We have one circle at an RC club not far from me.  The entire site is not that big so the RC guys can feel a bit cramped with larger aircraft.  The site is, I think, an old landfill, so at the present time, nobody else has any use for it.

With only a handful of CL guys, I wonder if the club officers would prefer to have us gone, and use the circle for helicopters.  That will allow them to expand the RC area a bit.   And, in other places, the parks departments will no doubt notice the declining participation in CL and decide that they can put the land to better use.  I hope this does not happen to the Dallas club site.

Getting a dedicated CL site is not that easy.  Hardly any RC fliers mess with CL.  If they did, it was long ago and they have little interest in doing it again.  And, not many RC sites have a CL circle on the property.  To them, we are second class.  They wonder when we will "move up" to RC.  Within 30 miles of me, over the last few years, there have been attempts to have CL at two RC sites.  Neither has been successful.

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Re: Imminent demise of SIG?????
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2022, 04:11:53 PM »
I can still get the components I need, or make them myself.  What concerns me is the loss of flying sites.  We have one circle at an RC club not far from me.  The entire site is not that big so the RC guys can feel a bit cramped with larger aircraft.  The site is, I think, an old landfill, so at the present time, nobody else has any use for it.

With only a handful of CL guys, I wonder if the club officers would prefer to have us gone, and use the circle for helicopters.  That will allow them to expand the RC area a bit.   And, in other places, the parks departments will no doubt notice the declining participation in CL and decide that they can put the land to better use.  I hope this does not happen to the Dallas club site.

Getting a dedicated CL site is not that easy.  Hardly any RC fliers mess with CL.  If they did, it was long ago and they have little interest in doing it again.  And, not many RC sites have a CL circle on the property.  To them, we are second class.  They wonder when we will "move up" to RC.  Within 30 miles of me, over the last few years, there have been attempts to have CL at two RC sites.  Neither has been successful.

Stop by your nearest Municiple Airport and ask for permission to have a dedicated place to fly C/L.
You never know...I did so about 20 years ago and it became quite the "Stunt / Combat  Hangout" up until the Building Developers took it away a few years ago.
Bring up the fact that as a AMA Member you have insurance and that all flyers would  be expected to either check in with the airport office to show proof or otherwise be ready to furnish proof of AMA membership "on the spot" ....or else go home.


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