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Title: Identify Engine
Post by: Steve Dwyer on February 17, 2022, 02:05:31 PM
Came across this engine on Ebay, more photos are listed there for those interested. It sure has the looks of a Fox viewing the head and venturi.
I'm not interested buying it just curious, seller wants about $100,00 for it. Any thoughts?

Steve
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: Dave_Trible on February 17, 2022, 02:20:04 PM
It's a Fox .29 or .35 with a dummy rotary engine built around it.  Your basic junk pile...


Dave
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: James Lee on February 17, 2022, 02:22:37 PM
I agree, Fox 29/35.  Could be a runner, but for $100, RUN Away!!
Jim
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: wwwarbird on February 17, 2022, 06:13:36 PM
 Yeah, the seller has two too many zeros in the ad.  D>K
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: Dan McEntee on February 17, 2022, 08:17:47 PM
  You know, if it's a Fox.35, some one may have made that dressed up engine to fit a Sterling Nieuport 28 and a similar size Nieuport 17. The cylinders look like the French LeRone rotary engine cylinders. I don't' think it looks too bad and if I'm correct in my wild a44ed guess, and that is what you wanted one for, it would save you a lot of time and work. I think Williams Brothers made replica scale cylinders for the LeRone and it would be neat to see a comparison between the two.
  Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: Robert Zambelli on February 17, 2022, 08:59:55 PM
Odd number of cylinders only for a radial!!
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: Dave Hull on February 17, 2022, 11:45:27 PM
First monosoupape Fox I've ever seen! It's a wonder Duke didn't try this back in the day....

Actually, the collection of "patina" on the objet d'art might make it perfect in a non-flying model for hanging in a store. Then it would be worth way more than just another Fox that you run on the nose of your sportplane....

Dave
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: Steve Dwyer on February 18, 2022, 07:02:14 AM
Additional views - someone made a good deal of effort here.
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: Steve Dwyer on February 18, 2022, 07:07:39 AM
Additional shots
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: Dan McEntee on February 18, 2022, 09:59:28 AM
       Well after seeing those other pics, I think my guess is correct. This was in the nose of a scale model of some sort and was to represent a LeRone rotary engine like was used in WW-1 plane such as the Nieuports 17, and 28. These were rotary engines, where the whole engine rotated and the prop was attached to the crank case. No way to do that at this time with a model engine! The number of cylinders may just be a factor in that he bought all the Williams Brothers cylinder kits that the hobby shop had! If it was a Nieuport 28m it had a full cowling that would hide most of what you see. The earlier Nieuports had an opening at the bottom so that the castor oil used to lubricate the valves from a total loss type system would not collect at the bottom as it was slung off the cylinders, and then tend to catch fire. The type of engine in this would help date when it was made. I'm guessing in the 50's. A lot of work went into this. It wouldn't be too bad just to display is I had the disposable funds for it.
  Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee

   Edit to add: In looking closer, it even had a butterfly type restrictor throttle! It all looks home made but very well done. The more I look at it the more I'm impressed when you consider the time period it was made in.
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: De Hill on February 18, 2022, 02:38:22 PM
This engine just sold for $255.00!

I almost wanted it for $100.00.
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: wwwarbird on February 18, 2022, 07:37:20 PM
This engine just sold for $255.00!

I almost wanted it for $100.00.

 They'll be impressed when it arrives and realize it's a one cylinder.  ;D
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: wwwarbird on February 18, 2022, 07:38:29 PM
Odd number of cylinders only for a radial!!

 The Fox is taking up the space of the other two dummy cylinders.
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: Dan McEntee on February 18, 2022, 09:08:12 PM
They'll be impressed when it arrives and realize it's a one cylinder.  ;D

  I wouldn't think that some one would mistake it for a Morton M-5 , but crazier things have happened!!
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: wwwarbird on February 18, 2022, 09:13:03 PM
  I wouldn't think that some one would mistake it for a Morton M-5 , but crazier things have happened!!
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

 Right, but if they're willing to pay $255 for a crusty old Fox I've got a few I'd be happy to part with.  ;D
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: De Hill on February 20, 2022, 07:52:57 AM
The Anzani company produced a 6 cylinder 2 row radial in 1910.  It was used on a variety of aircraft.

All radials don't have an odd number of cylinders.
Title: Re: Identify Engine
Post by: Joe Gilbert on February 20, 2022, 09:44:32 AM
The Curtiss R-600 Challenger was a six-cylinder, double-row, air-cooled, radial engine for aircraft use built in the United States in the the later 1920s. Every double or four row radial engine had even number of cylinders that I know of . There were a odd ball or two that had even cylinders per row. There was a 16 cylinder two row engine built by a British company I don’t think it was a big success vibration was its problem.


Joe