Author Topic: I-Beamer (Read 10278 times)

builditright · « **on:** April 04, 2011, 10:32:28 AM »

I would like to kit another I-Beam stunter but am not sure what you guys would want to see kitted.

I am looking for someting that would be for either OTS, Classic or N30

It would be for next year, so your suggestions would be appreciated.

please stay focused on the question of this topic

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #1 on:** April 04, 2011, 10:38:42 AM »

I don't know enough stunt history to have any input but I do want to build an I beam one day so will be watching!

Dick Pacini · « **Reply #2 on:** April 04, 2011, 11:25:14 AM »

How about an Ares or does that conflict with existing kits? If so, remember that Jack Sheeks has designed many I-Beamers over the years.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #3 on:** April 04, 2011, 11:25:41 AM »

How about the Avenger,,

Dick Pacini · « **Reply #4 on:** April 04, 2011, 11:29:49 AM »

I'll second that.

John Miller · « **Reply #5 on:** April 04, 2011, 11:35:50 AM »

Walter, are you looking for a Classic legal design, or a more modern one?

Randy Powell · « **Reply #6 on:** April 04, 2011, 12:49:55 PM »

Personally, I'd love to see Jack Sheeks Knight kitted. Or possibly his Bewitched (N-30 legal). Hmmm, maybe the Torino or Scottsman (both I-Beamers, I think).

Dick Pacini · « **Reply #7 on:** April 04, 2011, 12:55:27 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on April 04, 2011, 12:49:55 PM

Personally, I'd love to see Jack Sheeks Knight kitted. Or possibly his Bewitched (N-30 legal). Hmmm, maybe the Torino or Scottsman (both I-Beamers, I think).

I think Walter already did the Torino and the Scottsman was a D-Tube, as I recall.

Terrence Durrill · « **Reply #8 on:** April 04, 2011, 01:00:01 PM »

How about a Kosteky TALON............A BEAUTIFUL AIRPLANE and I don't believe it has ever been kitted......TDurrill

   FORGET I SAID THAT!!!!!!! JIM IS RIGHT, I JUST CHECKED THE PLANS ON THE TALON......NOT AN I-BEAMER, BUT STILL A GREAT AIRPLANE MAYBE WE CAN SEE ABOUT KITTING IT LATER.

OK, I WILL GO ALONG WITH:

   l. USA-1 by Bill Werwage

   2. PEGASUS by Ray Marlow

John Sunderland · « **Reply #9 on:** April 04, 2011, 01:33:17 PM »

Quote from: Mark Scarborough on April 04, 2011, 11:25:41 AM

How about the Avenger,,

man that is a sharp looking model...is that from Dave Sabon by any chance?

Randy Powell · « **Reply #10 on:** April 04, 2011, 02:09:03 PM »

The orange bomb is Don Shultz (Da Shultzie) Avenger. Classic legal and this gorgeous rendition is by Mark Scarborough. You should see it in person.

Wynn Robins · « **Reply #11 on:** April 04, 2011, 02:19:14 PM »

why not something totally different like the sheeks F5F

Ted Fancher · « **Reply #12 on:** April 04, 2011, 02:20:28 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on April 04, 2011, 02:09:03 PM

The orange bomb is Don Shultz Avenger. Classic legal and this gorgeous rendition is my Mark Scarborough. You should see it in person.

OMG! Kit Schultzie's airplane! He'll be impossible to live with!

Nonetheless, it's not a bad looking ship, I guess.

Ted

Dave Adamisin · « **Reply #13 on:** April 04, 2011, 02:21:06 PM »

How bout a Detroiter?

Bill Hummel · « **Reply #14 on:** April 04, 2011, 02:43:38 PM »

Great choice, Dave!

wmiii · « **Reply #15 on:** April 04, 2011, 03:10:05 PM »

I don't think anyone has ever done Bill's Super Ares.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #16 on:** April 04, 2011, 03:20:33 PM »

Thanks
The Avenger is by Don Shultz, I redrew the plans for laser cutting and built this, finished it last year. It flies very well

here are the relevant threads on my plane
http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=12359.0

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=12573.0

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=16141.0

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #17 on:** April 04, 2011, 03:22:40 PM »

Quote from: Ted Fancher on April 04, 2011, 02:20:28 PM

OMG! Kit Schultzie's airplane! He'll be impossible to live with!

Nonetheless, it's not a bad looking ship, I guess.

Ted

uh like Ted are you implying hes easy to live with now? cause,, well, yeah,,,
I kinda like the looks,, but I MAY be partial,, or biased,, a little

RC Storick · « **Reply #18 on:** April 04, 2011, 03:22:46 PM »

Minado by Tom Warden

John Miller · « **Reply #19 on:** April 04, 2011, 03:47:31 PM »

Quote from: Dick Pacini on April 04, 2011, 12:55:27 PM

I think Walter already did the Torino and the Scottsman was a D-Tube, as I recall.

No, Walter has not done the Torino. I built one, it is an I-beemer, and it flies pretty good. The Scottsman looks like a single fuse version of it, but the wing is, in fact, a D tube.

Dick Pacini · « **Reply #20 on:** April 04, 2011, 03:51:00 PM »

Quote from: John Miller on April 04, 2011, 03:47:31 PM

No, Walter has not done the Torino. I built one, and it flies pretty good. The Scottsman looks like a single fuse version of it, but the wing is, in fact, a d tube.

Sorry, John. I thought Walter had the buildup shown here.

On second thought, that was the La Donna that Walter built.

John Miller · « **Reply #21 on:** April 04, 2011, 04:11:52 PM »

Not a problem Dick, and you are correct the La Donna was a great kit offered by Walter a few years ago. I watched Bob Brookins version fly at VSC, and even though he was fighting engine run problems, it looked to fly good with a lot of potential.

builditright · « **Reply #22 on:** April 04, 2011, 04:25:03 PM »

Quote from: Wynn Robins on April 04, 2011, 02:19:14 PM

why not something totally different like the sheeks F5F

We started to do the F5F some time ago but with the small number of interested,
we decided to do it as a short kit at a later date.

The builder would get all laser cut parts but will have to provide things like the:
cowls, gear, canopy mounts and sticks etc...

if anyone is interested in the F5F we can start back on it and finish up the plans.

please send all emails for the F5F Skyrocket short kit to: f5fskyrocket@builtrightflyright.com

Serge_Krauss · « **Reply #23 on:** April 04, 2011, 04:37:06 PM »

Brodak kits the "Ares". However, I think the " '62 Ares" would be a great addition and flyer. You might talk to Tom Niebuhr about the W.C. "Argus", with the nice wing shape. That's the one pictured in the AM article. Tom has info for the plans and may be planning on kitting it himself. If he's not though, then this would be a wonderful small classic.

SK

Joseph Lijoi · « **Reply #24 on:** April 04, 2011, 04:37:51 PM »

Jack Sheeks FW 190-Classic legal (?) small probably good with fox 35
Werwage Juno or Vulcan
Bob McDonald late seventies design
Jack Sheeks Fly Baby (constant chord wing)
Rollie McDonald Strathmoor Detroit Stunter-lots of versions. Call Bob McDonald.
I beam Stilletto
Argus
Tucker 4

Someone should consider lazer cutting I beam rib sets. They could be generic and or based on a popular airfoil.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #25 on:** April 04, 2011, 05:02:44 PM »

Here's my list of acceptable stunters:

USA-1
Novi III
Juno
Minado
Super Ares
Talon

There are plenty more, but those 6 stick out in my mind as some of the prettiest I-beamers out there.

dennis lipsett · « **Reply #26 on:** April 04, 2011, 05:22:11 PM »

The trouble with picking a kit is you have to pick one that more then one person is interested in then you actually have to have more then one buy one. It's a terrible business to be in. So treat them all well before the party is over.
Dennis

John Miller · « **Reply #27 on:** April 04, 2011, 06:13:55 PM »

If remember right, the Novi lll, and the All American Eagle share almost all the same numbers, except the AAE was never really campaigned like the Novi lll was.

Interestingly, they both, while being I-Beamers, did not use strip ribs. They used full ribs slipped onto the I-Beam, otherwise they were built exactly in the same fashion as those that did use strip ribs.

There are others that used this type of construction.

Dennis is correct in his evaluation. Picking a design is not easy because the kit maker needs to sell a number of kits before he can make even a small profit for his work.

I personally find the following of interest to myself.

Talon
Minado
Avenger
Novi lll, All American Eagle
Super Ares
Sheeks, '69 F4 Phantom styled stunter (Never published)

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #28 on:** April 04, 2011, 06:16:10 PM »

John, FYI, the Avenger uses the full rib style as well.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #29 on:** April 04, 2011, 08:21:47 PM »

Stingray?

Clint Ormosen · « **Reply #30 on:** April 04, 2011, 08:29:54 PM »

Lot's of good suggestions here, Walter. Out of all of them the Minado or Talon would be my #1 pick. I would try to stay within the Classic era of designs because I think they will appeal to more people than a 70's design. Alot of areas (like here in CA) have not embraced the idea of a 70's class yet, so I personally wouldn't be interested in anything later than a Classic. Nowhere to fly it.

Edit: Stingray would be cool too.

Edit: I like the Atom, but it's kind of smallish.

James Mills · « **Reply #31 on:** April 04, 2011, 08:41:02 PM »

I'd put a vote in for the USA 1 (I still haven't got around to building my Colossus). The Super Ares or Stingray would be cool as well.

James

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #32 on:** April 04, 2011, 09:37:47 PM »

Quote from: dennis lipsett on April 04, 2011, 05:22:11 PM

The trouble with picking a kit is you have to pick one that more then one person is interested in then you actually have to have more then one buy one. It's a terrible business to be in. So treat them all well before the party is over.
Dennis

And asking people what they want isn't always reliable. After being told by everyone and his brother that they desperately wanted to build a 1932 Ford Phaeton, my dad went to a great deal of effort to make a body for that model. We showed it at various street rod shows, and the response was almost invariably "Wow! That's gorgeous! I want one! Just as soon as I get my roadster built...". This happened even after "that" roadster got built. It was the perennial 'next' car. We did sell a few -- but not many.

Dave Holtsclaw · « **Reply #33 on:** April 04, 2011, 09:57:10 PM »

USA 1 or Juno

wwwarbird · « **Reply #34 on:** April 04, 2011, 10:35:40 PM »

Jim Vornholt's ME 262.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #35 on:** April 04, 2011, 10:36:15 PM »

Maybe Bob McDonald's Aquila.

BYU · « **Reply #36 on:** April 05, 2011, 12:23:35 AM »

Walter

Count up the number of USA1's in the posts.

Ooh.... and count me in on a USA1 if you make it.

Eliott

Clint Ormosen · « **Reply #37 on:** April 05, 2011, 03:40:43 AM »

Quote from: EliottScott on April 05, 2011, 12:23:35 AM

Walter

Count up the number of USA1's in the posts.

Ooh.... and count me in on a USA1 if you make it.

Eliott

USA-1 and Minado are about even. The Minado is prettier.

Dick Pacini · « **Reply #38 on:** April 05, 2011, 06:14:49 AM »

I'll do the USA1

Michael Boucher · « **Reply #39 on:** April 05, 2011, 08:41:39 AM »

I second the ME 262.

Larry Cunningham · « **Reply #40 on:** April 05, 2011, 09:42:47 AM »

Quote from: Mark Scarborough on April 04, 2011, 11:25:41 AM

How about the Avenger,,

Wow, that's a lovely model, Mark and the epitome of I-beam beauty. Awesome!

L.

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RogerGreene · « **Reply #41 on:** April 05, 2011, 10:07:22 AM »

How about Steve Wooley's Argus it was the finest looking model of the 1960 World Controline Championships. And, It is an I-Beamer.....
Roger

Dennis Holler · « **Reply #42 on:** April 05, 2011, 04:10:41 PM »

My vote,
Sheeks FW190
Sheeks Stuka
Vornholt ME 262

Airacobra · « **Reply #43 on:** April 05, 2011, 06:11:05 PM »

You certainly could not go wrong with any of Jack Sheeks designs. I would look towards the Fly Baby and his ME-109 G for starters and although his Seafang was a foam wing, I think it would look cool as a Beamer. I realize it would take you away from the Nostalgia aspect, but it still would look nice. For the unique look go with his Stuntliner. If you want something rarely modeled, go after the Bernie Ash Supersonic Stunter. I would also suggest Rollie McDonalds Challenger. It appears to be the tricycle gear version of the one Bob McDonald flies at VSC in years past. I could go on, but I will stop for now.

bob branch · « **Reply #44 on:** April 05, 2011, 06:19:30 PM »

A McDonald I-beamer, either Roland or Bob's. The Aquila was certainly a beauty and a wonderful flier as well.

bob branch

Dennis Adamisin · « **Reply #45 on:** April 05, 2011, 06:21:58 PM »

I-beamers? Go back to the source material: Detroiter/Challenger, Atom, or for NOS 30 Bob McDonalds Aquilla

Really can't go wrong with anything from Jack Sheeks either - Demon, Torino, Ryan SC (not a true beamer but an easy convert) or Beechcraft Staggerwing.

Clint Ormosen · « **Reply #46 on:** April 05, 2011, 07:16:18 PM »

Quote from: RogerGreene on April 05, 2011, 10:07:22 AM

How about Steve Wooley's Argus it was the finest looking model of the 1960 World Controline Championships. And, It is an I-Beamer.....
Roger

It's been done. Bill Sawyer had been kitting the Argus for the last several years.

Greg L Bahrman · « **Reply #47 on:** April 05, 2011, 09:01:01 PM »

USA 1

RogerGreene · « **Reply #48 on:** April 06, 2011, 09:47:35 AM »

Lew McFarland's Ruffy. It's not an I-Beamer but a nice flying plane. And I can draw the CAD plans.

Roger

RogerGreene · « **Reply #49 on:** April 07, 2011, 01:44:37 PM »

Oops, well I'am glad it's being kitted. I guess most or all of the kits/magazine planes we grew up with are kitted.

Thanks Ty.

Author Topic: I-Beamer (Read 10278 times)

Dave Adamisin