And with good cause.
The FAA is going to make their information on registrants available to the public, giving the name and physical address to anyone that searches a number.
Fantastic!
Did you ever do a Google search for your own name?Bob, I just did and guess what? I'm not listed! Maybe that's why Kraver's email from me to him are blocked.
Bob, I just did and guess what? I'm not listed! Maybe that's why Kraver's email from me to him are blocked.
Joe
Did you ever do a Google search for your own name?My name won't be on my planes on the outside for the entire world to view.
And I'm still trying to figure out why I'd have to register an "aircraft" that is attached to my hand. It's not like I can get more than 70' away.
Academy of Model Aeronautics
Member Communication
Monday, January 11, 2016
Dear Members,
As you know, we have been working with our legal counsel and the FAA to find a solution for our members on the registration rule. To date, FAA has agreed in principle to several proposed initiatives that will help ease this process for our members. Specifically, they are:
AMA and the FAA are working to streamline the registration process for AMA members whereby those who register with the FAA will be able to use their AMA number as the primary identification on their model aircraft, as opposed to adding a new federal registration number.
In addition, AMA members' federal registration will automatically renew provided membership remains active and current. We are working with FAA in negotiating the renewal fee, but in any case it is envisioned the renewal process will be provided as a member benefit.
In the future, federal registration will automatically be accomplished upon joining the AMA, eliminating the need to register with both AMA and the FAA.
These initiatives are a step in the right direction. However, we want to emphasize that this is not the end of our efforts to protect AMA members from this overreaching regulation. We are continuing to explore all legal and political options available, but these conversations may take time and a definitive solution is unlikely before the February 19 registration deadline.
Currently, registration is free of charge until January 19. If you would like to take advantage of this free period, you may want to register before that day. But please note that you have until February 19 to register in order to avoid violating the federal rule.
We also want to encourage our members to submit comments to the FAA about the registration rule. It is critical that all AMA members are heard loud and clear on this issue. The deadline for submitting comments is Friday, January 15. Additional instruction is available here.
Thank you for your patience as we work to find the best path forward on registration. We are committed to doing everything possible to protect our hobby and ensure that future generations have the opportunity to fly.
Sincerely,
AMA
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I haven't registered yet but I also fly RC. According to AMA, RC flyers still have to register and can register for free until January 19 but we CAN use our AMA number on our aircraft in lieu of the FAA ID number.
I will likely register this weekend...
I spent a lot of time thinking about this process and finally decided that with a bunch of $ invested in my Carrier planes I should register with the FAA. Not thrilled with my decision, but I have no faith that the AMA can fight the Federal Government and win. While registering I could not find any place where the FAA says that CL or FF is exempt. Now, with that said I also could not find any recommended sizes for numbering your planes. Anybody know the answer to that?
Joe
The FAA issues a card ? All I got was the number when I hit print.
I fly a lot of R/C so there wasn't a choice as to whether or not . One of the public park R/C flying fields requires FAA registration to use it. There was a nice first time ever Stunt meet there last summer. Wonder if all who compete will have to register?
AMA has my number and the FAA can go fly a kite.
Reasonable risk assessment, until at least for my own assurance I see someone getting busted for it, I'm not going to bother putting my FAA number on CL aircraft. With lines 70 feet or less in length, I see no threat to any operating aircraft. So, unless I am breaking a municipal, county, state or national park law, I'm not going to sweat the small stuff.Let's hope that you never have an accident; like having a kid on his bike run into the circle and get hit! Not having your AMA number in place on the proper place on your plane will more than likely cause you to have no insurance back up from the AMA supplemental insurance. Joe
2. Model aircraft pilots will:
f) Ensure the aircraft is identified with the name and address or AMA number of the owner on the inside or affixed to the outside of the model aircraft. (This does not apply to model aircraft flown indoors.)
Q: Is Control Line Exempt
A: Control line models are not controlled by a ground-control station, are not part of an unmanned aircraft system and as such are not required to be registered.
Just looked at the registration site!! there is a note that they will let us use our AMA numbers as our FAA number. Check it out
VII. Discussion of the Interim Final Rule, H. Registration Marking, IFR Requirement: Information that may be used to identify an aircraft.
Regarding the comment seeking to display an AMA number in particular, the Civil Aircraft Registry and the registration system implemented in this IFR are premised on the ability to uniquely identify and owner and their aircraft. The FAA does not govern the membership structures of section 336 organizations and cannot be assured of the uniqueness of those organizations' identification systems. Therefore, the FAA has no assurance that such a member number will provide the requisite unique identifier. Thus, the FAA will maintain an FAA-issued registration number for the marking scheme for small unmanned aircraft used as model aircraft.
AMA has my number and the FAA can go fly a kite.
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Would the FAA have to register and get a number for that kite???] LL~
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Oh, trust me, George, I commented... And, no not ranting, just statements of fact, put forth in a no derogatory manner. I think the problem is that there are too many influential folks inside that aren't the most energetic, nor the sharpest tools in the shed. Because we all know that this solution is an ineffective one. It won't accomplish much, in my prediction. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I wasn't wrong a few years ago when I predicted this mess to my RC soaring buddies. My fingers (and my eyes) are crossed. R, Chris
So now AMA issues a confusing advisory saying that all AMA members should register with FAA and then in the next sentence says that all RC modelers should register. So, which is it?That is a good question, Scott. I know that AMA filed a legal petition with the US Court of Appeals last August, requesting a review and calling on the FAA actions contrary to law passed by Congress. Perhaps wheels turn slow enough in government that their legal team advised modeler compliance?
My 2 cents worth, if you are an AMA member your stuck. The FAA will sooner or late get the membership list and if you have not registered you will be between a rock and a hard place. I dont see them taking the membership list in place of their own registration. BruceBruce, I see a greater caveat. Just because an RC'er doesn't register doesn't mean they will be hammered. Key is whether they are flying. An FAA inspector drops by the local municipal airport to do his/her rounds. They decide also to drop by the nearby local modeling field. They watch a flier take off, land the plane, asks to see their FAA number. Aircraft is not identified, he has no proof of the number on him. There's where the problem lies.
George i think you summed it up correctly, I too registered as its not worth the risk. BruceThanks, Bruce, this is true. Actually FAA kept the process as simple as possible. I printed out the E-mailed card and trimmed it, will get it laminated and stick it in my wallet. To comply both with AMA and FAA, To keep things simple, I'm making labels with my Brother label maker to include my name and address (to comply with AMA) and my FAA number (to comply with FAA). Stick is somewhere inconspicuous (like the bottom of the fuselage).
The AMA has all our current info and if they are willing to bow down to the fat arses at FAA, just send them all the AMA records and be done with it. Used to have some respect for AMA officials, but not any more. I will fly my Control Line planes and park when I want and in a designated area.
VII. Discussion of the Interim Final Rule, H. Registration Marking, IFR Requirement: Information that may be used to identify an aircraft.
Regarding the comment seeking to display an AMA number in particular, the Civil Aircraft Registry and the registration system implemented in this IFR are premised on the ability to uniquely identify and owner and their aircraft. The FAA does not govern the membership structures of section 336 organizations and cannot be assured of the uniqueness of those organizations' identification systems. Therefore, the FAA has no assurance that such a member number will provide the requisite unique identifier. Thus, the FAA will maintain an FAA-issued registration number for the marking scheme for small unmanned aircraft used as model aircraft.
This is all still very young and early in the process. I would assume, some day, that the DoT/FAA might carve out some exceptions and most likely PURE control line will be written in as an exception, and eventually some Free flight with R/C support will be NON exempt. For now we are getting too much rumor and I have seen ZERO change to the WRITTEN rules/Public LAW. Like many citizens my biggest frustration with all the Law maker rules- to try and prevent something- they impose crap on ONLY the law abiding citizen. If we can't change that for Gun Control or simple drivers license there is no way to ever reverse this new rule.Law enforcement is just that. There is the letter of the law. If the law doesn't state then the so called exception does not apply. I have even seen changes in non-government accreditation and building trade organizations, where the norm has changed to permitting ambiguity in language. Code ought to be forthright, leaving no doubts. "Do. Or do not. There is no try." - Yoda
The good news is the FAA (even if not ever going to meet the stated goal) has a virtually painless and low cost process. I complied because I do NOT fear the DoT/FAA weenies...but I DO fear the local Park rangers and LEOs who never seem to read, get trained, and grasp some common sense attributes of things. Again...fellow model airplane friends...pleas read ALL the other FAQs especially those to Law Enforcement....then think about your local deputy sheriff, park ranger, or town cop.... mostly brain dead. Yea Yea Yea..I know there are good police...but too many duds exist and THEY are always the ones dispatched to deal with me...the stories are countless.Beyond the scope of this discussion, we get what we pay for. the LEO's are perhaps some of the lowest paid professionals, second next is teachers. The 2 cornerstones of society, law enforcement and education have all taken a back door to entertainment and spectator sports.
At least out here in rural central Texas...If I get questioned...the duddly doo right is not trained or educated enough to NOT know my paper FAA Certificate is NOT cart blanch to fly where ever and how ever I desire .....What a bunch of Maroons....grin Think I will head over to the Lampasas Municipal airport ( I helped pay for) and fly a 1/2a ringmaster for a bit until the sheriff deputy comes to stop me... I will politely show him my OFFICIAL FAA registration for me and my model and tell him how I tried to contact the NON manned tower as per the directive--- having no one say NO--- I proceeded to conduct flight training and some touch and goes. The more I think on that, the more inclined I am to do it...I am a C/L flier of one in the entire 17,890 population of my county.Out in rural areas, there isn't the urgency. I've stopped and talked to LEO's on stops with my motorcycle at rural convenience stores, chewed the fat. They're people like all else. I doubt seriously anyone will say anything.
Member Communications
Monday, January 25, 2016
Dear Members,
Last month the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) announced that it would require owners of model aircraft to register with the agency by February 19. AMA participated in the task force designed to provide recommendations to the FAA on the registration of small recreational unmanned aircraft, and we urged the FAA to exempt AMA members from registration. AMA also recommended the FAA consider several factors, not just weight, when determining which model aircraft would need to be registered.
Instead of exempting our community, the FAA created an unnecessary burden for our more than 188,000 members who have been flying safely for decades. As you know, AMA members already abide by a voluntary registration system that fulfills the safety and accountability objectives of the federal registration system. We made this point very clear to the FAA and other task force members.
We are exploring all options to alleviate this burden on our members and we are actively engaged in talks with the FAA. For now, the requirement is federal regulation and therefore we must advise all of our members to comply by the February 19 deadline.
We have an existing petition with the US Court of Appeals regarding FAA's 2014 interpretation of the "Special Rule for Model Aircraft" and we will continue our advocacy work in Washington D.C. Recently, our leadership brought representatives from the FAA to one of our flying fields to witness AMA's safety protocols, observe club camaraderie and mentoring, and speak with AMA members firsthand about their concerns. In addition, this week AMA staff and the Executive Council will arrive at Capitol Hill to speak to members of Congress and their staffs about the importance of protecting model aviation for future generations.
We will continue to work on behalf of our members, but since a solution to the registration requirement is unlikely by February 19, members should register at www.faa.gov/uas/registration . Once registered pilots will receive a Federal registration number that is to be placed on or within aircraft over 250 grams (0.55 lbs.). Members are encouraged to continue placing their AMA numbers on their aircraft as well. Members only have to register once, they do not have to register each unique aircraft. The FAA requires registration regardless if you fly a multirotor, helicopter, fixed wing, or any other type of radio control model aircraft that uses a ground control system with a communication link, such as a transmitter. You can read more in our Frequently Asked Questions at www.modelaircraft.org/gov.
Thank you for your continued support. Together, we can ensure the future of our hobby.
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