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Title: Hey Robert
Post by: Jim Pollock on May 28, 2006, 02:58:41 PM

Robert,

Where can I find the build pictures for the Ares.  I plan to build one sometime after retirement and would like to know how to get the spar together with the fuselage.
It seems that one must insert the spar into each fuselage side and add the spar cap
pieces later.  Doing it that way would seem to make it a good idea to have the bellcrank and leadouts mounted in the spar before sliding the fuse sides on.  Yeah, I know get Bob
Hunt's video that shows Billy building one of his masterpieces.  I would still like to know where the Ares build pictures on you site are though...Pretty Please???


Jim Pollock   #^ ;D ;D ???

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: RC Storick on May 28, 2006, 03:05:29 PM

I will post again because we lost them in the sabotage attempt.

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: Leester on May 28, 2006, 03:37:04 PM

To go along with the pics from Sparky you could also get the kit dirrections from Brodak.

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: RC Storick on May 28, 2006, 03:58:14 PM

Pictures posted in Building techniques

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: Jim Pollock on May 29, 2006, 05:14:30 PM

Robert,

Thank you kind Sir!

The pictures along with the video will help me mightly when I endavor to build the Ares!

Jim Pollock   y1 <=

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: Greg L Bahrman on May 29, 2006, 06:54:30 PM

Walter U. has the video. I will burn you a CD of the picture build if you wish?.   y1
45 pictures from pile of wood to ready to fly.  #^

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: Jim Pollock on May 30, 2006, 06:01:21 AM

Greg,

Thanks, I'll take you up on the CD but not until I get moved and settled into the new location.  That should be around the middle of July.

Jim Pollock   :)!

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: Jim Pollock on May 31, 2006, 07:31:10 AM

Robert,

One quick question here that is just knawing at my bones..... If you build the Spar for an I beamer first with the cap attached........Ahh...how do you get it into the fuselage since the tip and roots are of different heights??  You couldn't slide it into the slot with the cap already attached.  That one question just keeps me awake at night!!!!!

Help, Help, Help,    n~ n~ n~ n~ ~> ~>

Jim Pollock  ??? ??? ??? :P

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: RC Storick on May 31, 2006, 07:37:26 AM

Attach the cap after it's in.

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: Jim Pollock on May 31, 2006, 07:51:16 AM

Robert,

Thank you, Thank you, again and again  - - That's what I thought, but wasn't able to
tell for sure from the pictures.

Jim Pollock,  extremely relieved!   y1 <=  ;D

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: Bill Little on May 31, 2006, 10:13:45 AM

Quote from: Jim Pollock on May 31, 2006, 07:31:10 AM

Robert,

One quick question here that is just knawing at my bones..... If you build the Spar for an I beamer first with the cap attached........Ahh...how do you get it into the fuselage since the tip and roots are of different heights??  You couldn't slide it into the slot with the cap already attached.  That one question just keeps me awake at night!!!!!

Help, Help, Help,    n~ n~ n~ n~ ~> ~>

Jim Pollock  ??? ??? ??? :P

Hi Jim,

I don't know about Sparky, but I always (along with Mr. Werwage) have the spar completed before putting it in the fuselage.  Never had a problem and I've built a *few* I-Beamers.  Check the video..........

Bill <><

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: Jim Pollock on May 31, 2006, 10:25:01 AM

Bill,

I will check the video, when I get one...I still can't figure how the tip of the spar with the caps on will fit into the root cutout of the fuselage?  There must be some magic at work there?  %^

Jim Pollock

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: Bill Little on May 31, 2006, 10:32:59 AM

Quote from: Jim Pollock on May 31, 2006, 10:25:01 AM

Bill,

I will check the video, when I get one...I still can't figure how the tip of the spar with the caps on will fit into the root cutout of the fuselage?  There must be some magic at work there?  %^

Jim Pollock

Yes, Jim, there IS magic at work..........

you must chant I-Beam 8 times while holding a decapitated chicken over a pit bull's mouth  with out him getting to it.................

Actually, the "slot" in the fuselage side will end up 1/2" wide all the way the height of the spar since the 1/16th ply doublers and triplers all added up will equal the width of the caps (1/2") in the center.  Think about it..............

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: Bill Little on May 31, 2006, 10:41:06 AM

Quote from: Bill Little on May 31, 2006, 10:32:59 AM

Yes, Jim, there IS magic at work..........

you must chant I-Beam 8 times while holding a decapitated chicken over a pit bull's mouth  with out him getting to it.................

Actually, the "slot" in the fuselage side will end up 1/2" wide all the way the height of the spar since the 1/16th ply doublers and triplers all added up will equal the width of the caps (1/2") in the center.  Think about it..............

For the mathmatically challenged:  1/4" spar + 1/16th" doubler X 2 (1/8th")  + 1/16th" center tripler X 2 (1/8th"):  1/4" + 1/8th" + 1/8th" = 1/2"  The spar caps are 1/8th" X 1/2"

Bill <><

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: Jim Pollock on May 31, 2006, 10:44:02 AM

Bill,

Got it.  The spar is the same width as the slot in fuse because the doublers and tripler makes it 1/2".  Now that's really tricky don't you think!

Jim    :o :o

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: Bill Little on May 31, 2006, 10:46:44 AM

Quote from: Jim Pollock on May 31, 2006, 10:44:02 AM

Bill,

Got it.  The spar is the same width as the slot in fuse because the doublers and tripler makes it 1/2".  Now that's really tricky don't you think!

Jim    :o :o

Thought you'd like that.  y1 **) **) **) **) f~ x:

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: EddyR on May 31, 2006, 12:10:44 PM

When I built my first Juno back in 1985 I used a 3/8 spar with no caps as Billy did. From that point on I did all I/Beams that way. I started laminating two pieces of 3/16 together and only using one layer of 1/16 ply in the center out to the first rib.Much stronger than a stock I/Beam and lighter. I stopped mounting the gear on the spar as there was no plywood there and mounted it on plywood plates that go from the leading edge to the spar.Be sure to put lightening holes in the plate. This is the way the "new" USA/1 shows it.The gear is much stronger this way and it will never get loose with age. This method doesn't require sanding the caps to get the ribs to fit as there is no cap.
Ed

Title: Re: Hey Robert
Post by: RC Storick on May 31, 2006, 04:51:51 PM

Quote from: Bill Little on May 31, 2006, 10:41:06 AM

For the mathmatically challenged:  1/4" spar + 1/16th" doubler X 2 (1/8th")  + 1/16th" center tripler X 2 (1/8th"):  1/4" + 1/8th" + 1/8th" = 1/2"  The spar caps are 1/8th" X 1/2"

Bill <><

That right I forgot. I have done it both ways.