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Title: Help with model ID
Post by: Mike Danford on January 02, 2023, 06:05:38 AM
Really no info other than what I can gather visually.

2 cyl sparkie with improvised throttle!

Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: Dave_Trible on January 02, 2023, 09:04:28 AM
It appears to be a scale model of a Culver Cadet.   One of the long-ago model companies made a kit. Maybe Consolidated or Enterprise models,  right after WWII.
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: Steve Helmick on January 03, 2023, 03:11:48 PM
Definitely a Culver Cadet. Fairly obscure aeroplane. Use DuckDuckGo and search for "Culver Cadet Images". May not be able to save the pictures to your computer, but it is what it is. I tried & no-go.  D>K Steve
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: Tony Drago on January 03, 2023, 05:27:15 PM
Berkeley
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: Steve Helmick on January 03, 2023, 05:40:13 PM
The Berkley kit was way too small (.045 to .099 for CL) to be the one in OP's picture, however. I'd wonder if perhaps some googling "(*) Culver Cadet" might find some info on historical kits of it. Substitute Comet, Megow, Cleveland, Enterprise, Consolidated, etc. for (*) old model kit manufacturer's name. AMA's museum staff might even be interested enough to help.  D>K Steve
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: Tony Drago on January 03, 2023, 05:48:35 PM
 Steve.
 Maybe some of the other companies. But I know for a fact that Consolidated did not kit it.
 This is the model in the picture that was posted.
 PQ-14
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: Tony Drago on January 03, 2023, 05:50:54 PM
Steve.
 Maybe some of the other companies. But I know for a fact that Consolidated did not kit it.
 The PQ-14 is the model in the picture that was posted.
 

Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: Jim Kraft on January 03, 2023, 06:17:01 PM
From what I can see, the engine is a Viking Twin. 2 cylinder 60. I had one for a while. Cool engine but not much power. 
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: Dave Rigotti on January 03, 2023, 06:42:19 PM
I didn't think a Culver Cadet had a bubble canopy as shown in OP?
All the ones I've see have a faired in canopy......ie turtle back.
Methinks a hacked kit or an original design......
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: GallopingGhostler on January 03, 2023, 06:56:29 PM
Registration on it shows as NX821. "X" means it was experimental. I don't know if the registration is fictitious, or existed. That may help to explain it may not be a Culver Cadet, although it may resemble one.
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: bill bischoff on January 03, 2023, 09:28:50 PM
The stab and elevator look like they were robbed off a Fireball.
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: wwwarbird on January 03, 2023, 09:38:35 PM
The stab and elevator look like they were robbed off a Fireball.

 The tail looked weird to me too but I couldn't place it, but yeah, shapes are kind of like a Fireball. The rest sort of looks like a Culver but this thing could just be some scratchbuilt job.
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: Mike Danford on January 04, 2023, 05:44:17 AM
Thanks!  Agree it’s really close to the Culver.  The bubble canopy and NX registration give me pause though.

There were plenty of homebuilts that robbed from existing planes.  I have not been able to reverse engineer the registration number through FAA websites. 

Thanks for help with the motor too. 

Tools
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: Mike Danford on January 04, 2023, 05:53:34 AM
Here’s a better look at the engine

Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: GallopingGhostler on January 04, 2023, 06:20:47 AM
Mike, that is a unique ignition engine, looks like it may be a 2 cylinder boxer, never seen one like it before. Any idea on the make, model and displacement? You definitely have a collector.
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: Mike Danford on January 04, 2023, 06:59:07 AM
Unfortunately no, got nothing on this.  Was given to my father, 80 now, a year or two ago?  By an old timer, HIS standards!

I haven’t even removed the cowl yet. 

Noticed that spring and discovered a third pull wire and what seems improvised throttle with a possibly (even likely) home brewed butterfly plate in the Venturi.

Thanks for the replies.  I’ll post more pics as I get into it a little.

While not installed in the photo, I have the other gear leg, has operating struts! 
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: Dan McEntee on January 04, 2023, 10:04:26 AM
Thanks!  Agree it’s really close to the Culver.  The bubble canopy and NX registration give me pause though.

There were plenty of homebuilts that robbed from existing planes.  I have not been able to reverse engineer the registration number through FAA websites. 

Thanks for help with the motor too. 

Tools

    It could be a kit bashed model of something the original builder saw or built back in the day. The "NX" designation meant "N" means it was a US registration and "X" means "experimental". That's what makes me think it represents a home built or modified production aircraft of some kind. It's almost a caricature of a Piper Skycycle with the bubble canopy. Clean it up and fix it up and it will look nice hanging from the ceiling.
   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: Jim Kraft on January 04, 2023, 12:41:47 PM
After seeing more of the engine it is definitely not a Viking. It is a Micro Models 60 Wasp Twin. I have never seen one before.
Title: Re: Help with model ID
Post by: dale gleason on January 05, 2023, 11:28:35 AM
On the back cover of MAN in the fifties the ad showed a young teenager surrounded by model planes, paint, tools, glue, maybe a Coke in his hand. An unusual, large airplane was shown that had a very large canopy. It vaguely resembled this mystery plane.

dg