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Title: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Dave Nyce on April 21, 2024, 12:27:48 PM
Hi. I'm teaching a group of kids to build C/L planes. A few years ago, I bought 100 of each of the plastic motor mount and the bell crank shown in the photo. But I haven't been able to find them sold in bulk again. Does anyone know where to get them?  Also, the rubber fuel bulb shown, is out of stock at Cox International.
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Steve Berry on April 21, 2024, 12:41:39 PM
Brodak has one in stock.

https://brodak.com/fuel/pumps/sullivan-bulb-pump-4oz.html

Steve

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Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Dave Nyce on April 21, 2024, 12:56:12 PM
Brodak has the larger, red one, in stock, at 4 ounces. I'm looking for the 2 ounce size that is better-suited for the 1/2A engines. (The kids like to copy what I'm using.)
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: 944_Jim on April 21, 2024, 03:21:41 PM
Mr. Dave,
I'm cheap...painfully cheap!

Last year's trailer and car license plates gave me enough material to make lots of "Cox engine mounts." Simply cut two rectangular plates (roughly 1"x1-1/4") and fold the short edge up to a right angle about 7/16" from the edge. Drill matching holes between the long sides and your fuselage, then hold an engine in place to mark the engine mounting holes. These aluminum plates are light and will last as long as the plane. I can attach a picture later if you need.
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Dan McEntee on April 21, 2024, 04:43:13 PM
  I know I have seen those plastic engine mounts somewhere online recently, and I just can't place it. I think those came with the Estes/Sterling 1/2A kits, maybe? I may have seen them in bulk on eBay.
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Mike Hazel on April 21, 2024, 05:06:59 PM
Dave,

I have the bellcranks and elevator horns in bulk.  PM me to discuss. 
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: bill bischoff on April 21, 2024, 09:15:58 PM
Dave, I salute your noble effort. I will be sending another care package, containing one Sterling 1/2A parts pack with motor mount, bellcrank, and horn, one loose Sterling motor mount, three bellcranks with horns, and I also have 4 of the Dubro #148 1/2A battery clips in package if you want them. Do you need any small line connectors? I probably have at least a dozen cluttering up my line clip box.

The motor mount in your photo looks like the Brodak one, or at least squirted from the same mold. Perhaps they will sell you some loose ones in bulk. Same goes for the bellcranks.

Bill Bischoff
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: bill bischoff on April 21, 2024, 09:46:33 PM
As an alternative to Sullivan bulbs, you can get 2 oz. polyethylene squeeze bottles on Amazon for well under a dollar each in quantity. I saw 100 pcs for $27.00. Select ones with a top that will work as is, or accept a brass tube spout.

BB
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Dan McEntee on April 21, 2024, 10:23:24 PM
  I'll be digging through my tank collection looking for a tank for a project. I have a ton of the square small Perfect brand metal tanks. If just for going round and round and pulling positive G for a loop or wing over now and then, they should work. Ping me back if interested.
  Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Dave Nyce on April 22, 2024, 09:02:38 PM
Looks like Mike can supply a bulk quantity of the bell crank. So, now I am looking for the plastic engine mounts.
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Motorman on April 22, 2024, 10:16:14 PM
Just a side note, I've never had a Sullivan bulb that didn't deteriorate inside and leave small flicks of rubber in my tank/filter/nva. I won allot of races because people used those and I didn't. ymmv.

MM
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Mark Mc on April 23, 2024, 12:22:12 AM
Brodak has the mounts and bellcranks:

https://brodak.com/1-2-a-motor-mount.html

https://brodak.com/brodak-c-40-1-2a-bellcrank.html


Unfortunately, they're now quite expensive.  If you're making lots of mounts, you can do what I did.  Go to Home Depot or some other home improvement store and buy 1/16" aluminum angle and cut it down to1" pieces, then drill for the engine mounting holes and fuselage mounting holes.
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Dave Rigotti on April 23, 2024, 05:59:10 AM
For motor mounts try Vintage Performance Model Airplanes.
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Jim Catevenis on April 24, 2024, 04:59:33 AM
PM sent.

Jim
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Peter in Fairfax, VA on April 28, 2024, 08:16:50 PM
Syringes are plentiful and cheap.  You can use them to limit the fill for first flights (short tanking), as well.

https://www.amazon.com/Syringe-20-Pack-Plastic-Syringes-Individually/dp/B09KRG8KYQ/ref=asc_df_B09KRG8KYQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=647241205888&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8613976217700707094&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1027116&hvtargid=pla-1954200792424&mcid=6d10d311f81837cc8c5c88ec426aaf31&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Syringe-20-Pack-Plastic-Syringes-Individually/dp/B09KRG8KYQ/ref=asc_df_B09KRG8KYQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=647241205888&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8613976217700707094&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1027116&hvtargid=pla-1954200792424&mcid=6d10d311f81837cc8c5c88ec426aaf31&th=1)
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: 944_Jim on April 29, 2024, 07:35:51 PM
For motor mounts try Vintage Performance Model Airplanes.

That looks home-brew 3d printed. I wonder if the stl file can be found online?
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Paul Wescott on May 14, 2024, 05:18:18 PM
That looks home-brew 3d printed. I wonder if the stl file can be found online?

Or how many guys on this forum could create a generic STL file and post it for all to use.  Although I’m leery of 3D printed “structural” items, especially those subject to vibration.  If the kids can build the rest of the plane from wood, how about having them build the same motor mount also from wood?
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: John Gluth on May 15, 2024, 08:57:31 AM
Or how many guys on this forum could create a generic STL file and post it for all to use.  Although I’m leery of 3D printed “structural” items, especially those subject to vibration.  If the kids can build the rest of the plane from wood, how about having them build the same motor mount also from wood?


Helpful thought Paul.
Motor mount doesn't seem currently available at Vintage Performance Model Airplanes.
As a youngster, friends and I made and used plywood motor mounts likely for a fraction of printed plastic $ cost.
John
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Dave Nyce on May 15, 2024, 09:01:36 AM
Yes, sometimes we build a plywood firewall, like with the Skyray. But sometimes we like to use the plastic molded version, if available.
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Dave Rigotti on May 15, 2024, 10:21:22 AM
Is or isn't it?

Helpful thought Paul.
Motor mount doesn't seem currently available at Vintage Performance Model Airplanes.
As a youngster, friends and I made and used plywood motor mounts likely for a fraction of printed plastic $ cost.
John
Title: Re: Half-A plastic parts
Post by: Mark Mc on May 15, 2024, 01:16:51 PM
Yes, sometimes we build a plywood firewall, like with the Skyray. But sometimes we like to use the plastic molded version, if available.

I like using the plastic Brodak mount for most of my 1/2A builds, as they are mostly profile planes.  It's just quicker and easier to get a properly aligned engine.  Also, when I build the fuselage, I put a couple of hardwood dowels where the two mounting screws go so that the holes don't elongate over time.  I can also use one engine mounted to the Brodak mount and swap it between multiple planes in just a couple of minutes.