GSCB Vintage Combat festival 9-22-19

[Tom Luciano]

I was able to retain the speed stunt award (my wife calls it the "piston cup") with a 1:22:25. As I go thru the times I'll post top 5 in speed and stunt flights. All for now I'm beat!

[john e. holliday]

If only it wasn't so far or I wasn't so old.  Love the faired in Sweet Sweep.   Makes mine look like a pig.

[Tom Luciano]

 
Again what a awesome day! We had 21 participants. Not all participated in our events. There were numerous sport flights and some fast matches with modern equipment on the back circle. I myself was plagued (1 complete flight all day)with bad engine runs and a blown head gasket on my Johnson CS powered Hatchet. more on our trials and tribulations on future posts...……

   Here are all the  scoreable flights;

LS Speed Challenge

1. Al Ferraro  Super Satan 36xBB                    13.95

2. Roy Glenn  Super Satan 36x BB LS1              15.35

3. Tom Schaefer Voodoo 36x BB                      15.84

4. Tom Schaefer WOW  Fox Rocket  40              17.8

5. Jim Vigani  Lancer  Fox 36X NB                    18.65

6. Tom Schaefer  Killer  61 Fox CS                     18.90

7. Tom Schaefer Up N AT'M  1957 Fox CS           19.27       

8. Larry Wilks  VooDoo  Super Tigte G21-.35       20.1

9. Bob Hunt Sweet Sweep  Power 10*                 20.52

10. Jim Vigani  ABLE  Fox .36x NB                      20.6       

Speed Stunt     

1. Tom Luciano Super Satan                               1:22.25

2. Dan Banjock     SpeedLimit*                           1:33.65

3. Jim Vigani      Double Diamond                        1:37.21

4. Tom Schaefer  UP N AT'M                                1:41.27

5.  Al Ferraro  Super Swoop                               1:42.06     

6.  Bob Hunt Sweet Sweep                                  1:43.60

7. Tom Schaefer  Killer                                        1:43.65

8. Sean Cook         Thor                                     2:14.74

A good percentage of the guys had multiple flights on the same airplane. I'm only posting their best.


Tom

[Tom Luciano]

Al's winning flight

[Tom Luciano]

Roy Glenn with the Super Satan at 117mph

[Tom Luciano]

Bob Hunt with the electric Sweet Sweep

[Tom Luciano]

l's live stream  from the event

[dennis lipsett]

 
Again what a awesome day! We had 21 participants. Not all participated in our events. There were numerous sport flights and some fast matches with modern equipment on the back circle. I myself was plagued (1 complete flight all day)with bad engine runs and a blown head gasket on my Johnson CS powered Hatchet. more on our trials and tribulations on future posts...……

   Here are all the  scoreable flights;

LS Speed Challenge

1. Al Ferraro  Super Satan 36xBB                    13.95

2. Roy Glenn  Super Satan 36x BB LS1              15.35

3. Tom Schaefer Voodoo 36x BB                      15.84

4. Tom Schaefer WOW  Fox Rocket  40              17.8

5. Jim Vigani  Lancer  Fox 36X NB                    18.65

6. Tom Schaefer  Killer  61 Fox CS                     18.90

7. Tom Schaefer Up N AT'M  1957 Fox CS           19.27       

8. Larry Wilks  VooDoo  Super Tigte G21-.35       20.1

9. Bob Hunt Sweet Sweep  Power 10*                 20.52

10. Jim Vigani  ABLE  Fox .36x NB                      20.6       

Speed Stunt     

1. Tom Luciano Super Satan                               1:22.25

2. Dan Banjock     SpeedLimit*                           1:33.65

3. Jim Vigani      Double Diamond                        1:37.21

4. Tom Schaefer  UP N AT'M                                1:41.27

5.  Al Ferraro  Super Swoop                               1:42.06     

6.  Bob Hunt Sweet Sweep                                  1:43.60

7. Tom Schaefer  Killer                                        1:43.65

8. Sean Cook         Thor                                     2:14.74

A good percentage of the guys had multiple flights on the same airplane. I'm only posting their best.


Tom

I know that Sean had a new engine and wasn't going to push it

[Frank Imbriaco]

Well done, all.

Thanks for the pics and the videos.

[Tom Luciano]

I know that Sean had a new engine and wasn't going to push it

Yes, Sean's flight was more of a cruise and more methodical pattern. He wanted the watch on. The Thor looked great!

[kenneth cook]

              Tom, we both had a great time. Unfortunately due to the ride, we had to leave earlier than we wanted to. Dennis, I can't thank you enough for your generosity for providing that engine and kit. Walter's kits are just over the top and just owning them is monumental for myself.  This comes once a year and as much as I would've liked to do much more, both of us had a great day out as Bob Hunt  also experienced. The temp was pleasurable and the day was just too short. Even though the plane was a bit tip low, it flew above my expectations.  This  kit demonstrates simplicity, it's very rewarding to go from a box of sheets and sticks to flying. Even watching the video, it just makes one smile. Ken

[Tom Luciano]

Ken,
 So glad you guys made it out with your busy schedules. When I arrived and didn't see your car , I was worried you couldn't make it! The event wouldn't be the same without you guys. My recollections are you been there every year since the first. I plan on working out the kinks on the LA 25 VooDoo in the year to come and will definitely have a bunch ready for combat next year. They go together pretty fast now that i got all the parts figured out.
 your fast match with Shawn was great to watch! Glad you guys convinced Banjock to come, he's hooked on speed stunt. I think I heard him say he has a nemesis kit and will be practicing  for next year!

Check out this awesome picture of you launching Larry's VooDoo. This will make the highlight reel!

Tom

[C.T. Schaefer]

Tom, Thanks for picking up the ball and putting even more fun into an already great happening!  I had a blast (Oooo) flying as many of my planes as possible.  Not all of them met expectations but the ones that did were memorable!   It will keep me thinking of a new secret weapon all winter    TS

[Tom Luciano]

Al throwing his hat in the ring in speed stunt!  Now you're talking!

[jfv]

Al, best hourglass you ever did.  Awesome!!!!!!

[Andre Ming]

Wow!

Great coverage! Love the photos and videos!

21 participants? That's GREAT!

Looks like the GSCB Combat Festival is on the upswing again!

Wife and I just returned from a trip to the Rocky Mountains. During the trip, imagine my surprise, as Sharon and I talked about the GSCB Combat Festival... Sharon made the comment that she would love to go again and this time spend the day at the field watching the magnificent East Coast Crazies flying their magnificent flying machines! Of course, if we seriously entertain this idea, a group supper would HAVE to be part of the deal!

Hmmm.....

 

Andre

[Tom Luciano]

MM,
Rules are above in the thread.

Best,
Tom

[Tom Luciano]

Andre,
Love to see you make another trip out .

Theres some chatter on FB control line flying group too.

Best Tom

[Peter in Fairfax, VA]

I did a careful analysis of the speed of the winner, using the excellent video.  I mean that I even checked the angle of the lines from the horizon, used a stopwatch, etc.  Got exactly the same speed.  Breaking 14 seconds is an accomplishment.  I think the best I ever went was 14.2, back in the day.

This suggests that folks interested in this event could submit their entries via video.  Sort of an online version of the contest.

Putting an old combat ship back in the air might be a fun project.  Need to order some bladder tubing from Phil Cartier, as I know he has a lot of it.

Peter

[Tom Luciano]

MM,
  have at it with any prop you want. Engine and plane have to be of proper vintage. Speed runs have been done with .015 stranded. As discussed last year they meet the speed requirements to at least 130mph with a combat plane of the era. If anybody wants to take a look just look at last years thread. Now if Al cracks 130, we'll talk. I beleive my calculations came in at 28 lbs at 130..

 Just an FYI for anyone who might want to debate line requirements.  Please don't in this thread. You're  welcome to open your own. This is a very enjoyable event and thread and I would appreciate  no negativity.

Thanks,
Tom


 Motorman get that "Rock" ready for next year thats what this is about. Al is already working on his design from when he was 14 years old for next year!

Peter,
  Thats really cool that you were able to verify Al's run. He made that run in the first 30 minutes of the event! Completly deflated me for even trying!  I told Al he cant go until the end of the day so i feel like i have a chance! Lol

  We'll talk in Lorton this weekend

Tom

[BYU]

     I think it's horrible you guys are mocking and destroying Fox motors, they're really good, I never had any problem with them.

      Brett

Not as long as they are being used to Hurl

[Tom Luciano]

Winning Stunt flight. I didn't tighten the collet on the needle valve and it gradually went richer as the flight progressed.  Oh well, there is room for improvement. I have a funny feeling 1:22 will be shattered next year!

[Will Hinton]

Thanks to all posters, this thread has given me more pleasure than I've had a a long while!  Takes me back to my 36XBB days and my Bully that looked mostly like a Voo-Doo.
There is NO WAY I could even fly one of these level any more!!

[Frank Imbriaco]

Winning Stunt flight. I didn't tighten the collet on the needle valve and it gradually went richer as the flight progressed.  Oh well, there is room for improvement. I have a funny feeling 1:22 will be shattered next year!

 Tom:
Good chance it'll be you.
I think you lost between 1 1/2 and 2 seconds, at a minimum, from it going rich 2/3 way through.
Frank

[Al Ferraro]

  Thanks Tom for the great videos and the effort you put into this event that people all over the world are enjoying. The facebook live video has over 1300 views and climbing. Your Stunt Speed run was awesome!!! I was also happy to provide entertainment for everyone with my Stunt Speed run using the Super Swoop. When I went inverted the Super Swoop got ahead of me and I lost it in the sun. I was lucky to catch up with it and bring it back upright, but had to go back inverted to complete the loops. The Super Swoop really was going a lot faster than I wanted for that event, but there's no turning back once its set free. I also wanted to note that I scrambled my glow plug on the Super Satan speed run   For next years event I'm remaking my SLASHER it's my combat model that I designed and flew in contests when I was 14.
 Now for the bad news. I know you said not to post anything negative on this thread, BUT I heard there is a protest for the Blow Fox engine award. Rumor has it that an electric motor should have won that award and it will be stripped from Jim V on bases of equality and political correctness. Now mind you this is all hearsay, but I heard the speaker of the house is going to make a statement about it in the near future.
Al

[William DeMauro]

Rest assured that I am NOT the one protesting, Jim earned his blown motor award fair and square. If someone is secretly protesting on my behalf, they need to drop the protest and accept the fact that Jim won. When I blow a motor it will be in the air at some insane speed and NOT due to a crash. I'm in the process of regrouping and planning ahead to next year. I'm looking at planes motors and props in an effort to make a good showing next year. The goal is to be extremely competitive.

[Andre Ming]

You mean electric whizzy-majig thingies???

Say it ain't so, oh SAY it ain't so!

 

Okay, Fox Faithful's... sounds to me like the gauntlet has been thrown to the ground! Get out your Dremels, index wheels... et al... and create a fire breathing X engine!! 

As the intrepid Officer Fife would say: "We gotta' nip this thing in the bud!"

 

Andre

[William DeMauro]

You mean electric whizzy-majig thingies???

Say it ain't so, oh SAY it ain't so!
Andre

Andre,
    They are here and not going anywhere, yes it is so!!!!!  I am working on coming up with a competitive set up that will hold its own. I have some ideas and I'm on the right path. Whats more important is that this event continue to grow regardless of what is used to spin that prop! It's just a fun day. Hopefully you can make it next year and I'll finally get to meet you. I'll even let you try my "electric whizzy-majig thingies" if it give you some extra incentive to make the trip.
Will

[Tom Luciano]

 Since  a Whistle blower filed a complaint, Mr. Ferraro's statement, and Mr. Hunts clarification…..

The following statement has been released



After hours and hours of deliberation..... The executive committee had to also go to the archives to produce proof to back up their findings.

VCF1.01-36x: There was a blown Fox in a practice session in preparation of the event back in 2015. This incident set a precedent as the Blown Fox award  was presented by LS "Hisself" to an unidentified recipient at the VCF 2015.  With these findings, practice sessions prior to the event are deemed "active" for the award.  Not to show bias to any particular MFG. the blown Fox award will be now open to any engine competing in the event including practice sessions. This may also prompt a non "mfg" biased award. This is on the docket and still up for vote in the Dec. meeting.

After the "whistle blower" complaint and the release of article VCF1.01-36x the following has been amended to the bylaws;

VCF1.01-ELC.  Any "electric drivetrain component" such as, but not limited to, Motors, ESC, Batteries, Timers, Wires, and Switches are eligible for the newly deemend "Let the smoke out" award. please see article VCF1.01-36x for eligibility criteria.

It appears that reigning advanced national stunt champion Will DeMauro smoked a motor in a practice session in preparation of VCF 2019. In doing so, retroactive immediately Will Demauro has earned the “Up in Smoke” award at the VCF 2019.
Also, in discovery photos, the 2015 recipient has been identified in  picture 1A. Shown in 1B the evidence of destruction.
There will be a press release on the findings following Mr. Vigani's 36x's teardown.

Keeping things tidy

Blown Fox Award
2013 Al Ferraro
2014 Al Ferraro
2015 Tom Luciano
2016 Tom Luciano
2017 Tom Luciano
2018 Tom Luciano
2019 Jim Vigani

Let the Smoke Out  Award
2019 Will DeMauro

[Tom Luciano]

Just an add on. The VCF calendar  is Oct. 1st to Sept. 30 the following year. So, beware of the company you keep. There is a whistleblower in/at every circle!

So let the practice sessions begin.
Good luck
Tom

[Tom Luciano]

I love the bark of this 1957 Fox Combat Special! It has that Fox .59 sound. Tom S on a Speed Stunt run.

[Tom Luciano]

Due to a mishap Will D with his backup Flight Streak.

[dale gleason]

Must not overlook that the Sweep was the collaboration of two designers, Lester Grogan and Ken Hale.

dg

[Andre Ming]

Just an add on. The VCF calendar  is Oct. 1st to Sept. 30 the following year.

So, VCF will be all year long?

Did you mean Sept 30- Oct 1, 2020?

Hm, me thinks it was a high level witticism that I'm wasn't smart enough to ascend thereto. 

Andre

[Tom Luciano]

So, VCF will be all year long?

Did you mean Sept 30- Oct 1, 2020?

Hm, me thinks it was a high level witticism that I'm wasn't smart enough to ascend thereto. 

Andre

My apologies! I should have noted that this is eligibility requirements for the special awards. IE; Blown Fox, and Let the smoke out.

If you are setting your plane up for next years VCF 2020 . In a practice session on Oct. 1, 2019 and if the committee gets word of an incident, say from a whistleblower,  you are eligible for the award.
  Also, if there are no smoked motors or blown engines you must retain the trophy and polish it daily until someone claims it! Such as Al and myself.

Tom

[Andre Ming]

Ah HAH! NOW I've got it!

BTW: Is the VCF always the 3rd weekend in September?

Sharon and I have moved attending the VCF to the "Definite Maybe" list for 2020.

Andre 

[Tom Luciano]

Andre,
  Good chance it will be but Hamp and Schaef have final word with our district coordinator.

Tom

[Andre Ming]

Hi Tom!

We're flexible.

Just mentally planning out ahead. (I have a tendency to do that!)

Last night we talked it over and decided to axe the trip out west for next year regardless of VCF, so there shouldn't be any event conflicts. Like I said, looks like it's solidly on the "Definite Maybe" list now.

We shall see!

Andre

[Tom Luciano]

Dan Banjock on a test flight with the foamie VooDoo!
LA 25 for power

[Andre Ming]

That flies pretty darn good.

Have you timed it? (If so, how close to 75 MPH?)

Also, are LA 25's still readily available (and parts)?

Andre

[Tom Luciano]

Andre,
  The Foamie VooDoo definitely shows promise! It's a bit fast but,  not anything we can't work out. It hasn't had the stuff/Dork test yet but shows great promise for durability. Holding it in my hand it feels like I could also use it as a boogie board in the summer and a snow board in the winter. Think of the value in that!
 There is a Combat meet at the end of the month and if all goes as planned I'll have 3 more of the prototypes ready for the guys to test out. Getting it in the hands of more seasoned Combat pilots in matches is the ultimate test.

RE: LA .25 You can still get major components for it at R/C Japan. I bought all the components less P/L but it takes a while to get them. One order sat in customs for 30+ days. I have Gardner P/L's for them. The one used in the video has the Gardner set up as well.

Best,
Tom

[Andre Ming]

Thanks Tom for the reply.

Like I said: Interesting.

Andre

[Jim Damerell]

Ringmaster Days and Fun Fly at G.S.C.B. this weekend. Testing over grass welcome! At least one spare Ringmaster available for anyone to log a flight.

[Andre Ming]

Question:

Japanese Silk of the same weight we used "back in the day" is no longer available, right? I was thinking today's silk that's offered is heavier?

Andre

[Tom Luciano]

Question:

Japanese Silk of the same weight we used "back in the day" is no longer available, right? I was thinking today's silk that's offered is heavier?

Andre

Andre,
 By what Larry tells me, the original Sig was 4mm. My Blitz, I used 4.5mm and dyed it lemon yellow. Last years Super Satan I used 5mm and dyed it Golden yellow. These colors were exact matches to the old Sig. I found no difference in weight after finish between the two. My first Super Satan that Rusty now owns has 8mm pre colored. That was substantially heavier.

Tom

[Peter in Fairfax, VA]

http://lovasilk.com/guide-to-silk-bedding/momme-weight-explained/

[Al Ferraro]

The 8mm would be about 13 grams heavier per yard over the 4mm, if I read that website right.
Al

[Tom Luciano]

Jim V. on a speed stunt run with his original design Double Diamond. Fox 36xBB

[jfv]

Looks like I did 2 laps between the reverse wingover and the inside loops.  Things happen very fast in this event.  Could have taken another couple seconds off my time.  Next year!

[Tom Luciano]

Ken and Shawn throwing up some modern fast planes on the back circle!