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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: frank williams on July 12, 2022, 06:40:04 PM
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I haven't flown for the last two weekends cause I figured out that it costs me $25 in gasoline to make it there and back.
Come on Brandon ....Just put it back like it was!
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I haven't flown for the last two weekends cause I figured out that it costs me $25 in gasoline to make it there and back.
Come on Brandon ....Just put it back like it was!
y1 Steve
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Come on Brandon ....
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Brandon?! n~ Do you mean "Bite-me"? HB~> HB~> HB~>
I haven't been flying in weeks either............same problem. y1
Jerry
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You should see what it will cost me to get to the Nat's pulling our 5th wheel.
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I haven't flown for the last two weekends cause I figured out that it costs me $25 in gasoline to make it there and back.
Come on Brandon ....Just put it back like it was!
Didn't you hear, it's Putin's fault. Of course, Putin has been there for 30 years during which prices were perfectly fine, Brandon has been there for a year and a half during which time everything fell completely off the rails, but, you know, just ignore that. You sacrifices help produce a new Liberal World Order.
BTW, fun fact - I tried the Tesla trip planner, assumed I had the highest-range model selected, and planned my trip to Muncie. Van, it's 33 hours total, with 7 stops total*(including 2 overnighters), leave on Thursday morning, get there Saturday afternoon. Tesla recommended **22** stops, for a total of *52 hours* total driving and charging time. And of course, when you get there (as Howard found) nearest Supercharger is 60 miles away. That turns a 3-day trip into a 5 day trip, basically, out of the question once the cost of my time is included
Note that this is no accident - just like the 55 mph speed limit, the idea is not quite to just save gas, it's to make long-distance travel effectively impossible without using "collective" public transit. Private jets are good for the super-rich, but a regular Joe 12-pack and his family should just stay home.
Brett
*Chevron station in Winnemucca, Nevada
La Quinta Airport in Salt Lake City, Utah
Little America, WY
Phillips 66 in Sidney Nebraska
Holiday Inn Express in York, Nebraska
Iowa 80 Truck Stop, Davenport, Iowa
Comfort Inn and Suites, Muncie, IN
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You should see what it will cost me to get to the Nat's pulling our 5th wheel.
Paul,
You won't make that all up in hotel savings??? >:D
Safe travels.
John
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I haven't flown for the last two weekends cause I figured out that it costs me $25 in gasoline to make it there and back.
Come on Brandon ....Just put it back like it was!
I drive 4 hours round trip to go fly in Dallas. It costs me roughly $50 per trip…I’ve flown almost every weekend since the beginning of May. I try not to think about how much money I’ve dumped to go get 5-7 flights and drive home
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I drive 4 hours round trip to go fly in Dallas. It costs me roughly $50 per trip…I’ve flown almost every weekend since the beginning of May. I try not to think about how much money I’ve dumped to go get 5-7 flights and drive home
Yeah, I have the same problem at home. I have to drive to the field each time I fly. It adds up. I will have to fill that car up soon, but it has been two years since I put gas in it. And, it is also an autoclave!
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I drive 4 hours round trip to go fly in Dallas. It costs me roughly $50 per trip…I’ve flown almost every weekend since the beginning of May. I try not to think about how much money I’ve dumped to go get 5-7 flights and drive home
4 hours of driving for $50? Sounds great right now to me, that's less than half of what it would cost me in the Ford Flex. What's your vehicle?
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4 hours of driving for $50? Sounds great right now to me, that's less than half of what it would cost me in the Ford Flex. What's your vehicle?
I drive a Ford Escape. I always start near a full tank, and then fill up at Bucees, roughly 2/3 the way home and that gets me enough gas to last until the next weekend. I have a side hustle and fill up at Bucees with my own funds to help offset it from the main bank account. My wife would probably kill me if I spent as much money as I have from
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At least you guys can drive to your flying fields. I have to walk.
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At least you guys can drive to your flying fields. I have to walk.
Howard,
You could drive to your field but it seems like an inefficient way of doing things with all the loading and unloading.
John
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At least you guys can drive to your flying fields. I have to walk.
Now that's funny right there.
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gas prices increased a LOT worldwide, no matter who´s sitting on the president chair. here in brazil we have a crazy one, he can do all kind of atrocities but still can´t make gas, so prices follows world crisis raise.
fortunately i live about 35 minuts form the field, it´s close considering how densly populated my city is.
i fly e-power at least i save on glow
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Interesting, one of the things that I like about C/L is that I do not have to drive to the field if I want to get a flight or two, generally the nearest baseball diamond will do. In my case I have 4 within a 2.0 mile radius from the house. The nearest one is within 1 mile so I could walk if I were not embarrassed to be seen walking around the sub with a model airplane in tow. I fly electric so I can be quiet and not disturb people. The elementary school around the corner is getting renovated so none of the fields are currently being used but they are still mowed once a week. Perfect set-up. The proper C/L field is at our R/C club which is about 3 miles away, short drive once again. I know that I am lucky. We have a small group of C/L fliers and we get together every Wednesday at the field.
My parents live overseas and given their age my brother and I manage their household finances from here. In the past year it has become quite apparent that in spite of a strong dollar (the exchange rate is in our favor right now) the usual monthly amount that we budget does not make it to the end of the month. It falls short by about 15% so we have had to make adjustments. The price of 1 gallon of gas even with the favorable exchange rate is at $6.20. I am pretty sure that Brandon is not running Peru so I wonder where all of the inflation is coming from...
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At least you guys can drive to your flying fields. I have to walk.
This made me laugh out loud!
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This made me laugh out loud!
Obviously, they don't have to deal with local governments that ban everything that they don't do personally! %^@
Ken
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Interesting, one of the things that I like about C/L is that I do not have to drive to the field if I want to get a flight or two, generally the nearest baseball diamond will do. In my case I have 4 within a 2.0 mile radius from the house. The nearest one is within 1 mile so I could walk if I were not embarrassed to be seen walking around the sub with a model airplane in tow. I fly electric so I can be quiet and not disturb people. The elementary school around the corner is getting renovated so none of the fields are currently being used but they are still mowed once a week. Perfect set-up. The proper C/L field is at our R/C club which is about 3 miles away, short drive once again. I know that I am lucky. We have a small group of C/L fliers and we get together every Wednesday at the field.
My parents live overseas and given their age my brother and I manage their household finances from here. In the past year it has become quite apparent that in spite of a strong dollar (the exchange rate is in our favor right now) the usual monthly amount that we budget does not make it to the end of the month. It falls short by about 15% so we have had to make adjustments. The price of 1 gallon of gas even with the favorable exchange rate is at $6.20. I am pretty sure that Brandon is not running Peru so I wonder where all of the inflation is coming from...
Not sure where you live, but most school yards in the U.S. are off-limits for any kind of use not actually sponsored by the school itself. Where we used to be able to go to the local school yard and play ball or fly models or whatever, all that you find now are tall chain link fences. Too bad the crazies and other idiot s have ruined it for the majority.
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I am pretty sure that Brandon is not running Peru so I wonder where all of the inflation is coming from...
Haven't you heard - there's a war going on in Ukraine? And seeing as Russia is a major supplier of both Oil and Natural Gas to Europe, they have to source from elsewhere. And unless producers up their production, the increase in demand leads to shortages, (and why would they as oil was $20/barrel in 2020 - its £140+/barrel now with demand outstripping supply!) With shortages comes increased costs - which gets passed on to consumers in fuel costs, energy costs, food costs and general consumable costs. Then you have the worlds biggest producer of consumables - China - whose economy is tanking along with its workforce due to Covid - they can't make it due to energy supply problems and can't ship it either which gets us back to shortages and costs etc. This is the flaw in totally interconnected markets - one sneeze and the whole world catches a cold!
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it's all Bradon's fault. He has cut back on US coal, oil, & natural gas production all in the name of the Green New Deal. As stated these produce's are traded on the world market. Supply goes down world prices go up. Putin gets rich and goes to war. When Trump was in office none of this happened. S?P
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Katana,
I was being cynical. Many in the US seem to think that inflation and high gas prices are unique to the US when in reality they are not. Doing away with about 12% of the oil supply in a tight market is definitely going to have an effect. In reality, the number is smaller as some countries will continue to buy oil and gas from Russia regardless but the effect will definitely felt. What is unique is that inflation in the US is running about 1-1.5% higher when compared to that experienced by other developed countries and in that sense, the US is unique. However, the higher inflation in the US came about for reasons unrelated to the pandemic, supply chain issues and high demand. It actually goes back to 2018.
Bill,
I actually ran into the grounds keeper at the park while flying and he actually took a break to watch me fly for a couple of minutes and took a closer look at the model. He did not say anything. Regarding the school I believe you are probably right but the fields and playground are used on a regular basis for non school sponsored activities - you will see kids practice their batting skills, golfers improving their swing, an occasional pick-up soccer match, etc.
Teo
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Haven't you heard - there's a war going on in Ukraine? And seeing as Russia is a major supplier of both Oil and Natural Gas to Europe, they have to source from elsewhere. And unless producers up their production, the increase in demand leads to shortages, (and why would they as oil was $20/barrel in 2020 - its £140+/barrel now with demand outstripping supply!) With shortages comes increased costs - which gets passed on to consumers in fuel costs, energy costs, food costs and general consumable costs. Then you have the worlds biggest producer of consumables - China - whose economy is tanking along with its workforce due to Covid - they can't make it due to energy supply problems and can't ship it either which gets us back to shortages and costs etc. This is the flaw in totally interconnected markets - one sneeze and the whole world catches a cold!
Yes, there is a war, started by Putin, in the Ukraine. Ultimately caused or encouraged by Europeans, again, who wanted to play both sides of the street, again (defense courtesy the US Taxpayer and cheap oil and gas from Russia) and thus left themselves wide open and beholden to a murderous psychopath bent on recreating the USSR. Well played.
But, as recently as 2019, the US was a net exporter of oil. That's what Brandon did to cause this, because, now we are back at the mercy of OPEC - notably run by people who Joe and Company were also seemingly bent on offending until their recent change of heart, sending the notional leader of the free world, hat in hand, to the Oil Shieks asking for help. Recently, he released oil from the strategic oil reserve - and sent some of it to China. To companies associated with his son - who also was in cahoots with the corrupt Ukraine government.
Ultimately, of course, the more fundamental issue is implosion of the world economy by runway inflation, caused (as it always is) by irresponsible and profligate government spending and government meddling with the economy, while we hysterically overreacted to Wuhan Flu. As accurately predicted 2+ years ago ( https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/virus-second-opion/msg582506/#msg582506 ). As also predicted, the "cure" was far more damaging than the disease.
John Maynard Keynes (and the idiots who continue to pay attention to him despite the obvious evidence) have killed more people and created more misery than all the viruses combined.
Brett
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Really how can we blame a so called president who has no brain for the problems we have. I blame all current politicians who worry more about their pocket book than doing the job they are supposed to be doing. If we had some one with enough guts to do it the top yier of currnet administration could be impeached or recalled for their actions. And those no longer in charge who keep stepping in should have been behind federal bars or exiled from the country. But, what country would let them in? I'm just glad I didn't vote for any of them.
Now guys consider your selves lucky that you are allowed to drive. D>K
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A few things to keep in mind:
1) Yes, the US was net a exporter as Brett mentioned; however, that does not mean that we were energy independent when it came to oil. Net implies that we exported more than we imported. What was left out is that US refineries are set-up to process certain grades of oil; they just cannot take whatever is available and hence why still imported oil in 2019..
2) Ramped up US production to 2019 levels would not make up for the loss of Russian oil; production would have to be much higher. So global prices will remain mostly unchanged.
3) If production were ramped that additional oil would be sold for the best price possible, not simply to the benefit of keeping prices low in the US. After all, that is what companies normally do. It would lower the cost of gas but probably not as much as people would like.
I agree that the sale of some of the reserves to other countries creates really bad optics, but I have not found enough information regarding the motivation for such action one way or the other. Just on looks it was a bad idea and it makes me mad to see how dumb politicians tend to be. However, implied in the responses is that the president can do as he pleases which is not the case.
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At least you guys can drive to your flying fields. I have
to walk.
Up hill both ways and barefoot. 🤣🤣🤣
Sound like one of my grandpa stories.
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Yes, there is a war, started by Putin, in the Ukraine. Ultimately caused or encouraged by Europeans, again, who wanted to play both sides of the street, again (defense courtesy the US Taxpayer and cheap oil and gas from Russia) and thus left themselves wide open and beholden to a murderous psychopath bent on recreating the USSR. Well played.
Nice summary except NATO isn't Europe and NATO is doing its damnedest to stay out of it or do you really want WW3 in Europe? And as for US paid for Defence - the US chose to be present in Europe after WW2 and develop NATO, maybe to aggravate the Ruskies - I don't know! And don't forget Ukraine ISN'T in NATO - if they were, the megalomaniac may have thought twice about the invasion. Also, considering our size compared to the US., the UK is holding its own in providing weaponry and skills training to Ukraine, so don't lump us in with the white flag waving froggies etc. I'm also glad you believe we are getting 'cheap' oil and gas from Russia - they are commodities and as such traded worldwide - the wholesale costs are broadly the same worldwide, only disruption of supply generally affects price's. They were a source just like the North Sea and Norway's supplies but in greater volumes and readily available or should we have built a trans Atlantic pipeline, 3500 miles for US. natural gas? Europe will ween itself off Russian fuels but it can't happen over-night and Asia may pick up some of Russian production but there will be excess production that can't be sold and that will eventually hurt Russia more than sanctioning a few Billionaires with big houses and yacht's!
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Howard,
You could drive to your field but it seems like an inefficient way of doing things with all the loading and unloading.
John
LL~ LL~ LL~
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A lot of us knew it long before 2020, Biden's a total moron. We also knew that if given the seat he'd destroy America as we know it. Now, we're being forced to live it. Anyone who can't see it is no better, period. Yes, I'm pissed off, and very tired of waking up each day feeling that way all because of the jackass flushing our once great country and it's core values down the toilet. D>K
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A lot of us knew it long before 2020, Biden's a total moron. We also knew that if given the seat he'd destroy America as we know it. Now, we're being forced to live it. Anyone who can't see it is no better, period. Yes, I'm pissed off, and very tired of waking up each day feeling that way all because of the jackass flushing our once great country and it's core values down the toilet. D>K
I agree 100% except I think it is the jackass behind the jackass. We survived Carter but we don't really have a Regan to pull us out.
ken
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I agree 100% except I think it is the jackass behind the jackass. We survived Carter but we don't really have a Regan to pull us out.
ken
Trump may be a jackass but he can and will pull us out if reelected. His polices worked and will work again. S?P
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I agree 100% except I think it is the jackass behind the jackass. We survived Carter but we don't really have a Regan to pull us out.
ken
Not as good as a total moron, because the "Jackass" is in fact the front man. I'm weary of excuses for what is being done DELIBERATELY!
John
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Check the politics at the door and be thankful if you have access to a nice flying site. It's not a given.
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Check the politics at the door and be thankful if you have access to a nice flying site. It's not a given.
Actually there's a place here for extra content, politics etc. and it's called... ;D
https://stunthanger.com/smf/test-board/
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I'm halfway between NY and DC. Thinking of moving to a flyover state to avoid nuclear fallout.
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That is missing or off limits now.
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...be thankful if you have access to a nice flying site. It's not a given.
Yeah, just think of all the old schoolyards and other places we all used to fly at and aren't allowed to anymore. Bottom line there is that most of those were taken away as a final result of some sort of local politics. Wherever it may be today, you'd better get out there while you can.
And to the thread topic, the Flex was very near empty when I left work tonight. I stopped on the way home and filled up, then drove away 85 DOLLARS poorer. HB~>
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Interesting, one of the things that I like about C/L is that I do not have to drive to the field if I want to get a flight or two, generally the nearest baseball diamond will do. In my case I have 4 within a 2.0 mile radius from the house. The nearest one is within 1 mile so I could walk if I were not embarrassed to be seen walking around the sub with a model airplane in tow. I fly electric so I can be quiet and not disturb people. The elementary school around the corner is getting renovated so none of the fields are currently being used but they are still mowed once a week. Perfect set-up. The proper C/L field is at our R/C club which is about 3 miles away, short drive once again. I know that I am lucky. We have a small group of C/L fliers and we get together every Wednesday at the field.
As best I can figure fromvarious sites on the web the gasoline shortage, or cutback was planned to make it expensive. This was all part of the scheme to appear to be doing something(of questionable utility) and pretend they were "stopping climate change". Hah!
Phil Cartier
My parents live overseas and given their age my brother and I manage their household finances from here. In the past year it has become quite apparent that in spite of a strong dollar (the exchange rate is in our favor right now) the usual monthly amount that we budget does not make it to the end of the month. It falls short by about 15% so we have had to make adjustments. The price of 1 gallon of gas even with the favorable exchange rate is at $6.20. I am pretty sure that Brandon is not running Peru so I wonder where all of the inflation is coming from...
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Phil,
I doubt that there is a conspiracy to limit the supply of gas to the US market, the government does not get to dictate what how much of a particular product they can make. In spite of low inventories, 2021 was a good year for automakers; given fewer chips they opted to put them on their high margin (i.e. not cheap) vehicles and they simply could not make enough of them. Given the current situation I would venture to say that oil companies are quite pleased with their margins and the status quo.
Regarding global warming and electrics, most auto companies are jumping into electric vehicles with both feet even though the infrastructure is really not in place (power generation and distribution) to support the amount of energy that it takes us to get around. This is in-spite of the fact that under Trump auto emission standards were relaxed. Maybe they are making a mistake or maybe they see the future differently than most. As a side note, I also fly R/C pattern (AMA - Advanced) and the conversion to electric within that community is very high; I do not remember the last time I saw a glow powered (typically YS-170 or derivative) pattern plane at a contest. Within C/L electric still seems to be somewhat of a novelty still (say penetration around 50%) and I don't really understand why, it is so easy and reliable. Maybe as a population we tend to be more conservative or technology adverse. Anyway...
Even after the clean power plan act was repealed in 2019 there wasn't a rush to go back to coal. Cheap or less expensive natural gas is the enemy of coal and the transition was already happening on its own: It is easier to deal with; no need for a dedicated rail line, burns cleaner, etc. Again, companies respond to government regulation while also keeping an eye on their bottom line. Adjusted for inflation the price of electricity in the US has remained relatively flat in the past 20 years. The flip side is that for many, unfortunately, their income has not be adjusted for inflation but that is a different problem.
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If you want to know where all the inflation is coming from, you can put most of the blame on the Federal Reserve. The Fed has printed a few trillion over the last few years, trying to create wealth out of thin air. This never works. The result is a decrease in buying power of the money we have in our wallets and bank accounts. This is inflation. So much funny money out there that prices rise to match the money supply.
The Fed is not alone here. Other central banks have done the same thing. The result is that the world is awash with cash and prices will go up accordingly.
And, both sides are to blame. This money printing might go all the way back to Bush II and the last market crash. And, remember, Trump had to have his name on the stimulus checks. Biden opened the cash spigots with his big spending plans.
Sure, you can put some blame on other factors, such as supply chain, covid, Putin, etc. And, there are always greedy opportunists to take advantage of a situation. But the fact remains that flooding the country with printed cash, and with nothing (no gold, silver, etc.) to back up that cash, the result was inevitable. And, not one time have I heard anyone in the media call out the Fed about this. Everyone blames those other factors but conveniently ignore the fact that the trillions in cash that have been printed have been the primary cause of inflation.
Whenever I see clips of morons like Jerome Powell try to explain the Fed's failures to keep things under control, I get nauseated.
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You can't sell electric cars with gas at $2.00/gallon. The price of oil/gas has been
manipulated purposely to force a future with electric vehicles upon us. Rather than
being allowed to choose what type of vehicle we would like to drive we will be
forced to go electric. In essence, the Green New Deal is being imposed on us without
it actually becoming law.
Steve
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Sure, let’s separate Brandon’s poll numbers and $25-$50 “Gas to the flying field”, from politics. And to think I complained when gas @ $2.779 field traveling was $19!
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From Downunder Kiwi land NZ, I've been wondering how long it would be before politics came up on this website. A bit like a fart in the room nobody wants to admit to. Our PM Jacinda Ardern, shortly after being elected curtailed new oil exploration in our oil and gas rich Taranaki and other identified future fields. As leader of the NZ Labour Party she has historical links to international socialism and relies heavily on and actively promotes the Green Party for support. Much of the press ( especially overseas) and polling agencies promote her. We have recently shut down our one and only oil refinery ( for whatever reason) and now import 180million tonnes of crap quality brown coal from Indonesia annually to produce power ( having jumped through hoops to please outside interests in the name of Climate Change to shut our own miners down ) and despite having our own enormous reserves of quality coal. Our National Grid is approximately 80% renewable, mainly hydro. Wind and solar are dead ducks. I drive a V8 LS2 Holden SS ( Imported from Aussie and known to you guys as the Chevy something or another) On balance my V8 uses bugger all gas all round, depending how you drive it and on long hauls I get 8.2 L / 100 km easily. My son has just purchased a coal fired Tesla and god knows how many trees were felled, wastelands produced or kids died in slave like conditions in various parts of the world digging for battery rare metals?
The speed with which this tsunami of change has hit the world is no accident. The perfect storm is the most effective method to set your enemy ( read - status quo) off balance. The New World Order has one goal, you will have (end up with) nothing and be happy. We will wear hemp shirts, eat crispy dried crickets and stay indoors and wear masks while the rich dudes fly in jets, eat meat and generally live the life of Harry. To achieve these ends first control the masses (tick) control the press( tick) Burn the books (tick). We now have a world of folk who are told what to do, what to think, but have been denied the wherewithall on HOW to think.( Big tick)
The vehicle, the Quasi Religious New world Order - I call it the Woke, Broke, Croak future.
Think it's bad now? I'd make the most of today, seize it in both hands and run like hell. Gas could well never be cheaper, and very soon the least of our worries.
Politicians have three goals. Get your money, spend your money and repeat as often as possible. Add this to the truth being held up in many forms to confuse the masses, the only way for the US and the rest of us to lift ourselves above all this sewage is to quietly and firmly hold fast to our time tested and proven traditions. Embrace them and hang on for dear life.- IMHO.
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Katana, what happens world wide did not used to affect America regarding gas and oil. We were energy independent and sold some to other countries to boot. Certain politicians in America reversed the policies making us energy independent and that is why we are in the same boat as most other countries.
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To John Carrodus,
don't hold back brother tell us what you really feel.
Bahahahaha 🤣 🤣 🤣.
You are the only person on the planet getting 8 litres per 100km out of an LS2 mate. "Depends how you drive it". You drive it HARD!!!!!!!
All the best
Craig.
Ps Jacinda was elected on a platform of fuel price reduction. Hmmmm.....
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Well ….. aside from reversing policies that were working well and had been “no brainers for years” (ANWAR, Keystone, border wall, offshore leasing, fracking) , Brandon’s mere presence as leader of the free world, was enough to allow the bad actors in the world to feel emboldened.
. …….. What really frosts me the most, is that the World is being lead over the cliff by AGW (manmade global warming) brainless idiots. Once again this can be focused to a single principal messiah.
The author of the “Hockey Stick”, the history of earths recent temperatures, knows himself, that the results of his paper are a hoax. It would be so simple for media to enlighten the world onto the fact that this Mann never showed exactly how the math was done to get the answer that he did. He has sued when called a hoaxter and has lost in court because he wouldn’t show his work.
Like I said, the world is being led over the cliff, based on a fraud, and it would be easy to expose it for what it is, if the media only would.
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Air master,
The US was a NET exporter which many people take to mean energy independent. That is not the case. NET simply means that we sold more than what we bought; the question is, why did why have to buy other people's oil in the first place? Once you consider what our refineries can process and produce you will see that we were never independent in the true sense of the word. As a result, we are not immune from what happens outside our borders when it comes to oil....
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Air master,
The US was a NET exporter which many people take to mean energy independent. That is not the case. NET simply means that we sold more than what we bought; the question is, why did why have to buy other people's oil in the first place? Once you consider what our refineries can process and produce you will see that we were never independent in the true sense of the word. As a result, we are not immune from what happens outside our borders when it comes to oil....
If you produce more than you buy you are independent because you can always produce for use instead. Oli is produced for the world market everywhere. Independence does not mean that you are buying only domestic oil, it means that you can if you need to.
Ken
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Even after the clean power plan act was repealed in 2019 there wasn't a rush to go back to coal. Cheap or less expensive natural gas is the enemy of coal and the transition was already happening on its own: It is easier to deal with; no need for a dedicated rail line, burns cleaner, etc. Again, companies respond to government regulation while also keeping an eye on their bottom line. Adjusted for inflation the price of electricity in the US has remained relatively flat in the past 20 years. The flip side is that for many, unfortunately, their income has not be adjusted for inflation but that is a different problem.
If income were adjusted for inflation, there wouldn’t really be inflation. If everything goes up even with no net change in buying power, there is no real inflation even if the numbers on paper are higher. As one local guy put it, you go by how many hours of work it takes to buy a steak or a gallon of gas, etc.
Once a coal fired power plant shuts down it is not a simple thing to restart. Millions of dollars of investment to restart on top of the millions it took to shut down. This not taking into account any cost associated with cutting back coal production and transportation. No one is going to rush into that unless there’s a reasonable chance of a reasonable return on investment before having to shut down again. Hence, invest in natural gas power plants as a “safety strategy” in case regulators shut down coal again.
I like clean air, but I still believe we could have gotten there without the strain on the economy that we are currently enduring.
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If income were adjusted for inflation, there wouldn’t really be inflation. If everything goes up even with no net change in buying power, there is no real inflation even if the numbers on paper are higher. As one local guy put it, you go by how many hours of work it takes to buy a steak or a gallon of gas, etc.
Nice idea - it just doesn't work. Everything is interconnected - workforce / business / manufacturer's or producers, so if one of those gets out of kilter, you get into an inflationary spiral upwards. If 'stuff' starts getting in short supply, the rarity necessitates increased costs for suppliers (to maintain their margins), these costs get passed down to consumers, who, as workers demand pay increases to afford the higher cost of living. If these demands are granted, then employers must pass them along to their end consumers and the spiral continues and in some cases expands!
Its a flaw in a capitalist economy where there is always someone out to make more money than the other guy or more money than constitutes a reasonable profit & used for expansion, would necessitate. How many bosses of huge corporations that regularly post massive yearly losses, take multi million dollar pay checks, then get multi million dollar 'golden handshakes' to be replaced by a new guy on a multi million salary - because its the market 'going rate for the job' and does equally as badly! Common sense says fire a bad worker - CEO or not and hire someone cheaper as they can't do any worse or pay based on performance targets. Globally linked economies just don't work IMO - the well off will always exploit the less well off and its guaranteed there will be profiteering middlemen doing the exploiting whilst pandering to the rich!
Look at the USA - a huge country, big population but moderately low density of people / land, huge natural resource surpluses - land, minerals, fuels etc. that the country could & should be self sufficient in everything it needs, but it has the worlds largest debt burden at over $30 Trillion (77% of GDP) because people want more / better / cheaper and that means outsourcing instead of reining in spending until you can afford it and buying domestically produced.
I'm turning this into an economics debate which is never healthy!
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Ken,
You missed the point I was trying to make. If you cannot refine what you produce or if your refining capacity cannot satisfy your needs thus forcing you to partially rely on imports you are not independent. What do you think would happen if we stopped importing?
Wayne and Katana,
I get what you are saying and this why at the end I said "but that is a different problem", for many, the purchasing power of their earnings has not kept pace with inflation.
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To Jim S.
You have it correct. The rest is just BS from ignorant people!
Well done Sir.
Frank
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Ken,
You missed the point I was trying to make. If you cannot refine what you produce or if your refining capacity cannot satisfy your needs thus forcing you to partially rely on imports you are not independent. What do you think would happen if we stopped importing?
The NET exporter is a HUGE deal. You are correct in our refining ability and that we cant refine all that we have due to refining capacity. But what we CAN and ALMOST did as a net exporter onto the world marker was break OPEC or put a huge dent in their leverage against the world. That is where we make HUGE gains and save some money for many people around the world. We can force the market down by undercutting those who have a stranglehold on it. We cant do that now...
The pic below was just over 2 years ago.
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In 2019 the US exported 3M barrels a day, Russia was exporting about 8.2M barrels before the war, about 2.5 times the excess capacity of the US in 2019. But that was before COVID hit, demand went down, etc, etc. In 2023 US production is expected to reach 12.8M barrels per day once again (2020 peak) while the country still under Biden. People seem to forget that it is not like you can just turn the tap on and expect more oil suddenly to be available and that we will have the capacity to refine it. Finally, oil produced in the US needs a relatively high per barrel price in order to be profitable, 38 dollars per barrel as it was in 2020 when demand dropped made production in the US unattractive. It is a different story today, but the question is for how long....
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I think the crude we were exporting was crude from shale production. Apparently our refineries aren't set up to refine this grade of crude. We haven't built a new refinery in the US for over 40+ years. Too difficult to get through the environmental lawsuits and the EPA regulations. Meridian Oil is about to bring a new refinery online in N. Dakota to specifically refine this shale crude. They are building it right in the middle of the shale field. Minimum transport. Most refineries were on the Gulf coast to take what ever grade of crude that showed up in the tankers. Its not a done deal yet but after almost a decade of work, the last suit is in the Dakota supreme court.
I'll say again that this worry about EPA bullshit is ridiculous. I want clean air and water like anyone else, but the AWG hockeystick data is demonstrably a hoax. It ain't real. Its a religious cult. The "king has no clothes" its all false. The US ... the whole world ... is wasting trillions and untold amounts of scientific effort on a mann made hoax.
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Wow....record number of election denyers yammering here
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Wow....record number of election denyers yammering here
Charles, is that you?
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Peabody,
Too bad the forum does not have a "like" button, you would have gotten one from me.
Frank,
Many conservatives have been trying to discredit the data for a long time and I believe that a big deal was made when corrections were made to the historical data to account for how modern temperature measurements are made. The Earth is mostly covered by water and for a long time the data was collected by ships as they made their weather observations. More recently, the data is collected using buoys which record temperatures which are lower than those recorded by ships. Once you realize that the temperatures a few feet above the water are cooler than those recorded 10-20 ft above the surface you can correct for the discrepancy. Most of the historic data was collected by ships and unless you corrected for the discrepancy you would be looking at apparently unrelated data sets (ship vs. buoy). Many jumped at this claiming that the data was being changed to fit the narrative. Something similar happened with COVID. Unlike faith or beliefs, science can change course when presented with contradictory data in an effort to gain a better understanding, unfortunately, some either lacking in either imagination or understanding see that as an attempt at deceit.
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Wow....record number of election denyers yammering here
No one said one word about the election, moron. Except maybe to note the undeniable fact that before the election we were net exporters, and after, we are back to importing.
I am sure a man of your, er, capabilities, was thrilled to see your chosen candidate bumping fists with Mohammed bin Salman the other day, a man even a dimwit like Biden called an international pariah after he *had a man dismembered alive* for daring to criticize him. Quite heroic cowtowing to a butcher, that's just how you guys roll.
All to get *zero* assistance on gas prices - after Biden and his cronies went out of their way to run up the cost yo try to force us all into electric cars. That probably*was* uninitentional, although numbingly predictable* because they are so stupid they don't understand the root causes of inflation or supply-and-demand.
Brett
*https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/virus-second-opion/msg582506/#msg582506 (https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/virus-second-opion/msg582506/#msg582506)
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because they are so stupid they don't understand the root causes of inflation or supply-and-demand.
Brett
*https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/virus-second-opion/msg582506/#msg582506 (https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/virus-second-opion/msg582506/#msg582506)
Brett,
Stupid would be an excuse for what is deliberate!
“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”
So declared Barack Obama in Columbia, Missouri, on Oct. 30, 2008, on the cusp of his historic presidential election.
John
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Geez....Brett's upset about a fist bump.....the orange traitor kissed, hugged and bowed to the guy, and "W" walked holding hands.
Blame Hillary
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Geez....Brett's upset about a fist bump.....the orange traitor kissed, hugged and bowed to the guy, and "W" walked holding hands.
Blame Hillary
I call absolute bullcorn on this. Your TDS is showing your a$$! Trump did not bow to the Saudis. He shook their hand like a man and they respect him. No one respects biden, not even himself. As for "W"....that sorry sack can go to Mexico and %hit himself.
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Wasn't it Obama who bowed to the Saudi King?
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Maybe a little reminder.... I was surprised to see that no one went nuts after he saluted the North Korean general. That one was a big no-no. The junior always salutes first and waits for the more senior to return the salute. I wonder how the N. Koreans interpreted that one....The first photo shows him with the King and the second one with the Prince in question. The last one, you be the judge....
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Darn and this was one of the few off topic posts that had some good debate and not devolved into, you know who is this, no he isn't what about your guy, yes he is, no he isn't grade school back and forth, oh well it was good while it lasted.
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GREAT POST, Brett, you nailed it!
No nonsense, right to the point.
Bob Z.
No one said one word about the election, moron. Except maybe to note the undeniable fact that before the election we were net exporters, and after, we are back to importing.
I am sure a man of your, er, capabilities, was thrilled to see your chosen candidate bumping fists with Mohammed bin Salman the other day, a man even a dimwit like Biden called an international pariah after he *had a man dismembered alive* for daring to criticize him. Quite heroic cowtowing to a butcher, that's just how you guys roll.
All to get *zero* assistance on gas prices - after Biden and his cronies went out of their way to run up the cost yo try to force us all into electric cars. That probably*was* unintentional, although numbingly predictable* because they are so stupid they don't understand the root causes of inflation or supply-and-demand.
Brett
*https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/virus-second-opion/msg582506/#msg582506 (https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/virus-second-opion/msg582506/#msg582506)
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Hey Brett - like my new T-shirt?
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GREAT POST, Brett, you nailed it!
No nonsense, right to the point.
Bob Z.
Right on Brett, as usual. y1
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Wayne and Katana:
Thanks for your replies. Well done!
Frank
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Wasn't it Obama who bowed to the Saudi King?
Yes it was Frank....not Trump. If people are going to comment they need to get their facts straight....if facts even matter to some anymore.
Mike
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To deny the Biden Administration has any significant responsibility for the current price of gas would seemingly require (1) that we are extremely naïve, (2) that we simply bury our head in the sand, or (3) that we are so intent on defending Biden we simply deny facts. Biden campaigned, in part, on his pledge to end fossil fuels; once elected, Kamala Harris publicly declared, “This Administration will do it.”
Is the English language really that difficult to understand!?!
From the News:
“During his first days in office, President Biden signed an executive order that paused new permissions on oil and gas drilling. Thirteen states that rely heavily on oil and gas industries filed a lawsuit and, after a judge blocked the administration’s order, the sale went through in November that netted almost $192 million.”
“Several environmental groups then sued over the sale, saying it was conducted under flawed assumptions.”
“U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras agreed, saying the lease sale was invalid because an analysis by the Department of the Interior did not fully take into consideration how the leases will impact the climate. His decision effectively cancels 1.7 million acres of leases. Judge Contreras found that the president’s administration used outdated modeling from the prior administration when it looked at the climate-warming impact of the lease sale.”
On a side note: You may recognize that name - Judge Rudolph Contreras presided at the trial of Michael Flynn and accepted Flynn’s guilty plea but was then recused from the trial. Emails reveal he had a friendship with Peter Strzok, the disgraced FBI lawyer who was involved in the prosecution of Flynn. Strzok and his lover, Lisa Page, were thrilled to learn Contreras would preside over the trial and planned a dinner party to bend the Judge’s ear!
And Contreras was also the Presiding Judge of the FISA Court. If you think the “Swamp” is a figment of someone’s imagination, you’re obviously not paying attention!
Federal law (dating to 1980 I believe) requires the Bureau of Land Management to hold quarterly auctions of leases for oil and gas exploration and development. Here in Wyoming, there were no auctions in the first 5 quarters of the Biden Administration. Apparently, a court injunction was necessary to revive those auctions last month.
The Biden Administration and Congress enacted more restrictive limits on methane emissions for new facilities; Biden further issued an Executive Order directing the EPA to develop new, more stringent regulations and to reach existing facilities.
No responsibility!?!
Dennis
One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. - Plato
PS: Lord knows, we can't let sage grouse become extinct! Yup, that's the big concern ... or is it?
PSS: Think we'll find anything about "climate change" in that 1980 law?