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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Bill Ervin on January 25, 2008, 11:44:20 AM
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Man I love running engines! Sometimes I like to throw a few into a shoebox and head out into the desert just to see if the laws of physics (as they apply to catalytic reactions, combustion, gas pressure and liquid dynamics) still exist...
Oh hell, who am I kidding, I just want to make a bunch of noise!
Was talking to my new friend Gary Tultz last week and we came to the same conclusion and that's that it's impossible to be in this hobby for any length of time without "accidently" becoming, at least, a closet engine collector. Blame it on osmosis, magnetism, Plato's Theory of Disorder or man's natural tendency to gravitate toward (and fondle) small, metal objects; there's no avoiding it. If your stash of engines isn't so large that you are embarrassed to admit to the size of it then you haven't been in the hobby long enough!
So, with that disclaimer out of the way, see if you can spot these engines:
PAW 19
Romag 36
PA 51
McCoy 32 Duramatic
Supertigre G21/35
Supertigre G20/15 Jubilee
Silver Fox 40
Veco 32
ps- happy to report that the laws of physics are still intact
Bill
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couple more
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An easy one
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Probly not even a challenge for you guys
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What with all the ecksperts here...
Notice the Heathkit Thumbtach? Received as a Christmas gift back in '75 (when I was 12). Soldered it up on Xmas day while still in my pajamas and it continues to work to this day! Little did I know how much that gift helped to seal my fate as I went on to a "lucrative" career as an airfield electrician. LL~
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For 5 bonus points name the mountain range in the background.
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Boy did I ever put a lot of time on my Tigre 15 diesel in TR. and using the same Heath kit tac. Still have both and use the tac once in awhile.
Willis y1
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Neat pics! The Veco looks like a 35, probably just a typo... I don't think they offered a 32 in that model, just the 29, 31, and 35. Last summer I got on a kick and ran quite a few engines on the bench. Didn't take snapshots of most of them, but here's a few...
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Thanks for the pictures Andrew! I've never run ignition (just ran my first ever diesels) but will probably have to give it a try someday. With the ignition stuff you have more things to tweak!
Willis, I picked up that ST 15 diesel from a friend about 20 years ago (40 bucks NIB!) then stared at it for 15 years before giving it to another friend. He gave it back, said he couldn't get it to run. So I stared at it for another five years before finally putting it on the stand last week. It runs beautiful! It's got about 6 runs on it now, the case has a "1960" cast into it. Did you see the one on Ebay a couple days ago? NIB 1970 version, went for $277!! Up until a week ago I had a NIB 1960 version! Oh well, I'll get way more than $277 worth of fun out of mine. Already have.
Bill
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For 5 bonus points name the mountain range in the background.
EAST- Frenchman Mountain Range; WEST - Spring Mountain Range; NORTH - Sheep Mountain Range; and SOUTH - McCullough Mountain Range. My real guess is:
Spring Mountain Range......Mt. Charleston
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I wasn't too interested in ignition until recently. Flying regularly with Jim Kraft, he really makes it look too easy. I asked him how to set it up and followed his instructions and it has worked well so far. Now just to get a plane built with provisions for the ignition hardware.
Watch out on Ebay, the Super Tigre collectors are very serious.
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Ding! Ding! Ding! Congrats Crist you are the winner! For someone who lives in the midwest your knowledge of western geography is uncanny! :o It's as if you used to live here or something! ;)
In that picture I'm actually standing in the middle of a dry lake just west of Pahrump NV. On the other side of that mountain is Las Vegas.
Bill
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Bill,
Weirdly, I'm one of those guys that only keeps what he uses or believes (really believes) he will use shortly. Maybe I just like breaking in new engines. But right now, my entire engine collection consists of:
2 OS40VF
1 OS46VF
1 RO-Jett .65
1 OS 46LA
2 Saito 56 (that I am in the process of unloading)
1 PA 40UL
That's it. I recently sold a PA 40 (old style), an OS40VF NIB (did think I needed 3), a Stalker 61, a PA 61 and an OS35FP
What can I say, I keep what I use.
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Randy, your self control is impressive!
Hey, wait a minute, what about that SSW Magnum 53 you had in your gorgeous yellow and white USA-1 from a couple years ago?
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Whoops, forgot about the SSW Magnum 53. There's also an ST 60 in there earmarked for a Colussus kit. What happens when you are quoting from memory.
The Magnum was damaged when the USA-1 bit the dust. Thought I was just going to have to replace the crank, but as it turned out, the only thing original is the case. Everything else was replaced with new. I haven't even broken (or, perhaps, re-broken) it in yet. It is earmarked for the new classic plane I just started. A Bernie Ash Supersonic.
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Bill, how much you want for that SLAG motor in the second picture ;D LL~
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Bill, how much you want for that SLAG motor in the second picture ;D LL~
Sorry Gary, too late :'( , already dumped the brand new Romag off to some poor schnook on Ebay. He fell for my "buy it now" price of $25 (free shipping too). You gotta get up pretty early to pull one over on us Vegas boys. Z@@ZZZ
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WEST of Pahrump? Geez, whatcha doing out there besides waking up the neighborhood? :)
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i think he was trying the keep all the monte carlo smoke out of his motors
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My last inventory was 53 engines ignoring the .049's down. I know I have more now.
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i think he was trying the keep all the monte carlo smoke out of his motors
Joey, aint that the truth! Just got back from taking wifey out to dinner. If you get anywhere near the Strip you can still get a big whiff of all the burnt styrofoam.
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My last inventory was 53 engines ignoring the .049's down. I know I have more now.
Finally, someone with a respectably excessive number! Good one Garf.
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Hey bill, remember the huge analog tach that ed southwick would use sometimes ?
What a classic !!
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I do vaguely remember the tach Mr. Southwick used on his maroon Skylarks. Thanks for jogging the memory Paul!
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Hey Bill you kid, it is amazing how many engines we tend to accumulate. Quite a few of mine were when my son was flying with me or I was flying with someone else. I have a small plastic tool box that is nothing but Fox 35's. Almost all the planes have engines. When I thought the grand kids were going to fly mouse I started buying all the Black Widows I could get. When I cleaned out Meriwethers stuff a couple of years ago I had my little Aerostar van that I made about six trips with hauling nothing but airplanes ready to fly. Most were combat wings. Then Wayne and I found severa suit cases that were full of engines. Sold about 90% on the bay. If it wasn't so dad blame cold I would be out now flying or running engines. That sun looks so great today. I like the pictures of your engines you were playing with. Later, DOC Holliday
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Good morning Doc! I'm guessing you've probably been in the hobby longer and have seen more than most guys here. Enjoyed the story about hauling stuff away in truckloads! The thing that seems kind of funny is that, back before we all had computers (way back in the mid-nineties ;)) I thought O.S. 35s were rare. Now, you can pick one up without too much trouble at all.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. I thought I was the only closet engine collector in the world. "My name is Andy I collect engines I don't need, I just want.". There I feel so much better for getting that off my chest.
St .51
St. 3000
K&B .28 (2)
K&B .65
PAW 1cc
PAW .19
PAW .29
and many small diesels
McCoy .35 red head
McCoy .29 red head
McCoy .35 black head (Testors)
Johnson .35
Fox .35 (2)
Fox .36
RJL .60
OS .90
OS .40FP
Saito .40a
Forster .35 ignition
O&R .60 ignition
Super Cyke .60? ignition.
I am sure there are more but I would have to go in the garage to check. As I told Larry Renger I have enough engines to last a life time but that won't stop me from getting more.
Please tell me there is no cure for this ailment, its a mental illness I can live with.
Andy
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Andy, admitting you have a problem is the first step toward recovery. Unfortunately there is no known cure, it's just something we all have to live with like football... and beer... and pizza...
Nice collection by the way! ;)
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Hi guys, I've got a few engines:
Merco Engines: K&B's O.S.Max Engines:
8-61's 2-61's 1-60fp
4-49's 4-40's 6-40fp's
1-40 1-50 1-35fp
2-35's 2-46fs
1-40fs
Super Tigre's: Veco Fox Engines:
1-60 1-61 6-35's
1-51 1-19 3-40
3-46's 4-19's
1-40
1-35
These are just the one's that can be seen, I have a few more that is hidden. My wife thinks I need help???? I don't have a clue what she means???????????? Each time I run one, its like love all over again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha Ha Ha have a great day, Gary
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Hi guys, I've got a few engines:
Merco Engines: K&B's O.S.Max Engines: Enya Engines:
8-61's 2-61's 1-60fp 2-60's
4-49's 4-40's 6-40fp's 1-45
1-40 1-50 1-35fp 1-15
2-35's 2-46fs
1-40fs
Super Tigre's: Veco Fox Engines:
1-60 1-61 6-35's
1-51 1-19 3-40
3-46's 4-19's
1-40
1-35
These are just the one's that can be seen, I have a few more that is hidden. My wife thinks I need help???? I don't have a clue what she means???????????? Each time I run one, its like love all over again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha Ha Ha have a great day, Gary
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Ty, they're up to about 35,000 now. The only reason I make the 50 mile trip every once in a while is because I have several friends who have retired out there. All were long-time Las Vegas residents who didn't want to put up with the overcrowdedness here in Vegas. The place has large shopping centers and more than a couple large casinos. My retired buddies refer to the place as "like Las Vegas used to be in the 70's". The housing market goes up and down along with the Vegas market but overall I'd say you could get an equivalent home for about 30 percent less out there. The Pahrump valley is actually the same size as the Las Vegas Valley in terms of sq. acreage.
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Nice collection Gary! Gee, I can't figure out what your wife could mean by that either. ;)
Bill
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My wife says I am beyond help. But, I have fun. DOC Holliday
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I plan to put all of my engines in ships...provided I can live another couple hundred years. ;D
But then I will live forever or die trying! 8) H^^
George
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My wife says I am beyond help. But, I have fun. DOC Holliday
I agree!
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This is a fun topic! I'm glad I'm not the only one who enjoys bench-running engines. Some of my friends think it's a little strange.
Hey Andrew,
What is the engine in pic PB050025.JPG with the wagon tipped on its side?
Thanks,
Kim
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I suppose I could have mentioned what they are... The first is a Mohawk Chief .29 glow, middle is an Anderson Spitfire .60, and the last is a Vivell .35. The Mohawk was OK's effort to sell a cheap engine. They took the old OK 29, removed the OK 29 script, replaced it with an indian chief emblem and sold the engine under the name Mohawk Engineering Company at a reduced price.
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I'm glad you're enjoying the thread Kim! (Sigh!)Looks like I'm gonna have to take the test stand out again. #^ Came home from work today and guess what was waiting in the mailbox? Yep, another engine :P 10 points for the first correct I.D. on this little jewel.
Mr Bain! Good to see you here! My apologies, but I'm going to have to disqualify you from the competition (you know why ;D). If it's of any consolation I'm blaming you for making me $90 poorer. ;)
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I'm glad you're enjoying the thread Kim! (Sigh!)Looks like I'm gonna have to take the test stand out again. #^ Came home from work today and guess what was waiting in the mailbox? Yep, another engine :P 10 points for the first correct I.D. on this little jewel.
Mr Bain! Good to see you here! My apologies, but I'm going to have to disqualify you from the competition (you know why ;D). If it's of any consolation I'm blaming you for making me $90 poorer. ;)
Looks like an Oliver Tiger or maybe one of the clones.
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That's it Andrew! It's a Oliver Tiger Clone made by CS. This one is 1/10 the price of an original and I've heard they run just as good, should be fun in a little sport plane.
I'm going to guess Keith's engine is a K&B Stallion 35.
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The Stallion has a one piece case and steel cylinder fins... The Stallion looks about like a 4 bolt backplate greenhead torpedo with the exhaust pointing the normal direction.
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The K&B in the picture is a plain bearing version of a "Series 71" 0.35 engine.
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The good news as was pointed out is there is no known cure for my lust for engines afflictions. Finally something in my life that no wife/girlfriend, doctor, close friend or family member can save me from. I feel really good about this, infact I think I will go out and get another engine. I feel the need for more motors! >:D
Andy
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Mr Bain! Good to see you here! My apologies, but I'm going to have to disqualify you from the competition (you know why ;D). If it's of any consolation I'm blaming you for making me $90 poorer. ;)
Bill,
From the outside, that CS Oliver looks really good. Let us know how it runs.
George
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My greatest pleasure with "ENGINES" is finding one that has been trashed out, abused, gunked up and just generally shot. Ifind them on E-Bay, and at a lot of swap meets. I like to "Save" them (or rescue them) from a horrible fate and restore them to servicable condition.
That is especially so with Foxes.
I currently have a "in new condition" Fox 29X of the late 50s era.
Bigiron
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I'm with you Marvin... The Vivell I posted on the test stand was found on ebay in the condition shown in the picture. When it first came out of the box, I was pretty sure it would be a difficult save. After carefull cleaning, with the plug and coil that came with it off ebay, it was running. The only part I couldn't salvage was the high tension lead since the insulation had rotted. Truth told the engine was virtually new, just seized, and very dirty.
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Andrew, you are a very lucky person. Looking at that picture I would have said it was trash. Glad it worked out tho.
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That's it Andrew! It's a Oliver Tiger Clone made by CS. This one is 1/10 the price of an original and I've heard they run just as good, should be fun in a little sport plane...
Holy Cow! The originals are going for that much? I think I paid $24.95 for my original in ~1957...had a three month waiting list at that time. They were hand made one at a time. Original and CS copy.
Don't blame me if you spend your money on toys...Don't we all? n1 ;D
George
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I finally admitted that I collect Foxes when my count of 35 Stunt motors went past four dozen.... ranging from a 1948 Fox that was the first Fox 35 Stunt sold in Topeka. Bought it from the original owner in complete and good running condition..... up to a 50th Ann Black motor. Also have John Lowry's 'show and tell' motor that he mocked up to show what the 50th Ann Black motor would look like....
Definately not in the league of people like Bill Mohrbacher, though!!! H^^
Later
Jim
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Here's one of mine:
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And this looks like a brother to Bill's...
Found this at the WC's in 2002 Talka 7 from the Ukraine(probably!)
Jim
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>>The good news as was pointed out is there is no known cure for my lust for engines afflictions.<<
I think this is why electrics will never truly take over. Too many folks that just like little engines. I'm no different. I have to slap my own hand when I go to buy an engine that I can't justify. They way I look at it, if I don't buy an engine I don't really need, I can, instead, spend the money on more balsa or control systems or whatever. But it's hard.
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Randy, can't you just imagine it??? Twenty or thirty years from now some collector says "Look what I just landed off the Bay"" "a real Antique BRUSH type motor. It's really rare". Then he goes on to say or ask if any of the collectors out there may have a set of brushes. HEE HEE HEE-- then some dummy might reply--- I found a set down in the junk barrel.--- HAR HAR HAR.
Bigiron
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Marvin
I didn't know you had Electric parts in your Junk Barrel!!
Do you have a set of brushes for a Sears 3/8 inch drill?
Clancy
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I was playing with Small electrics in the late 70s. Still got some of the experimental stuff. As for the Sears 3/8 inch drill, I wouldn't be a bit supprised to find some brushes that might fit. My radiator cooling fan on my 92 dodge van wore the brushes out on it and I found a set that fit the slots and managed to solder the pigtail leads to the original wiring and it was still working 50K miles later when I sold the vehicle.
Bigiron
PS Oh by-the-way--- The dealer said I would have to replace the entire motor PLUS the fan shroud (it was a dealer-only item) as the motor was "A sealed unit" and non-reparable. Saved myself around $300+ bucks
I guess I didn't repaie it, I just "Fixed" it.
B
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Hey bill, remember the huge analog tach that ed southwick would use sometimes ?
What a classic !!
Hi Paul,
Ed used a Royal analog tachometer back in the late eighties/early nineties. He finally went to a digital Hobbico tach in about 1996 or so.
Bill Byles