Fox engines........gone, but not forgotten........

[Terrence Durrill]

  Fox engines......gone, but not forgotten.......we will never forget:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205234487930720&set=a.1368058050462.2045665.1502016430&type=3&theater

I can't, I have a shop full of them ... somewhere between 80 and 120 of all sizes. I have never taken a full count, however the Fox .35 stunt collection numbers somewhere between 28 and 30.

I know, some of us would like to forget.......but some of us can't.    

  

[Clint Ormosen]

What does that facebook link have to do with Fox engines?

[Terrence Durrill]

    Clint..........check the site again........that'sssssssssssss FOX..........!     

[Clint Ormosen]

Weird. The the first time it went to some state consolidation page.

[Robert Zambelli]

Terrence - I still like Fox engines. Although I've sold many of mine, I still have around 90, maybe 30 Fox 35 Stunt versions.

When properly run in and cared for, they provide all I need to enjoy flying.

My Nobler, Stinger, Argus, Starlight and Jezebel all fly with Foxes.

  Bob Z.

[Brett Buck]

If I ever finish my Nobler, it will certainly have a Fox in it. with a provision to put a 25LA in, too

   Brett

[Gerald Arana]

If I ever finish my Nobler, it will certainly have a Fox in it. with a provision to put a 25LA in, too

   Brett

Hahahahahahahahahahaa! I caught that.   But I had to get real close to my screen....

[Robert Zambelli]

From what I've seen of the LA 25, it should do quite well pulling the Nobler.
Is the LA 25 still available?

Bob Z.

[Dane Martin]

From what I've seen of the LA 25, it should do quite well pulling the Nobler.
Is the LA 25 still available?

Bob Z.

It's discontinued also

[John Rist]

Haven't got it yet but I scored a Fox 35 stunt on eBay for $28.  If it runs it is going on a S-1 Ringmaster.  It appears to be one of the first to support a muffler.  I told that the muffler ears on this model have been known to break off.

[john e. holliday]

If it is the newer Fox .25,  you might want to put an LA NVA in it.  I could not get mine to start or run consistently with that unit that was in mine.  Of course you may get lucky.

[Gerald Arana]

Haven't got it yet but I scored a Fox 35 stunt on eBay for $28.  If it runs it is going on a S-1 Ringmaster.  It appears to be one of the first to support a muffler.  I told that the muffler ears on this model have been known to break off.

John,
This is the 40 TH Ann. Fox 35. Get yourself some 5/32" brass tubing. File off one side flat, until it is almost through the tubing (but not quite) rough up the exhaust stack and JB weld a tube on each side of the stack the same length as the stack. This will make it look like a 50Th Ann. and give support to the stack when you tighten up the mounting bolts.

Also an OS 843 will now fit perfectly as will any after muffler. 

Good luck, Jerry

[Jared Hays]

I don't like Fox 35's I have plenty of them though lol.  Only one I really liked or even saw than runs decent isn't really a Fox anymore.  Dan Banjock has a twin inline custon made Fox 35's than ran nicely!

[john e. holliday]

Sorry Jerry I can't read it seems like.

[Daniel_Munro]

I own 3! A very old Fox 29, an equally old Fox 35 and a brand new in box 40th anniversary Fox 35.

The old 29 is about buggered. The old 35 runs like a charm on my step sons Miss BJ. The 40th anniversary one will go on a Nobler some day.

I've never had a nobler, it's something I must do. So many planes on the "to do" list.

[Clint Ormosen]

I have a huge* box of old Fox engines. Some were used when I was a kid, but most of them haven't been run in years and probably never will be.
Once a while I get an urge to annoy the neighborhood so maybe I should set up a test stand and just go through and run all my old engines. Just a couple ounces of fuel each.



*actually means 2 or 3 shoeboxes

[Brett Buck]

I own 3! A very old Fox 29, an equally old Fox 35 and a brand new in box 40th anniversary Fox 35.

The old 29 is about buggered. The old 35 runs like a charm on my step sons Miss BJ. The 40th anniversary one will go on a Nobler some day.

I've never had a nobler, it's something I must do. So many planes on the "to do" list.

   You do need that. Compare it to the Ringmaster, from just a few years earlier, to see how much they progressed.

    Brett

[Motorman]

Fox engines are fun to work on because there's so much to improve.


MM

[George Albo]

Haven't got it yet but I scored a Fox 35 stunt on eBay for $28.  If it runs it is going on a S-1 Ringmaster.  It appears to be one of the first to support a muffler.  I told that the muffler ears on this model have been known to break off.

Someone on a post wrote, in order not to have the ears damaged or torn off by an accident, one should run an aluminum tube from each ear to the muffler. Flush with the exhaust. The writer suggests that the tubes be epoxied in place with JB Weld.

[Daniel_Munro]

   You do need that. Compare it to the Ringmaster, from just a few years earlier, to see how much they progressed.

    Brett

Brett.

Funnily enough I'll be building a ringmaster too. A PAW diesel going on that though.

Daniel.

[John Rist]

John,
This is the 40 TH Ann. Fox 35. Get yourself some 5/32" brass tubing. File off one side flat, until it is almost through the tubing (but not quite) rough up the exhaust stack and JB weld a tube on each side of the stack the same length as the stack. This will make it look like a 50Th Ann. and give support to the stack when you tighten up the mounting bolts.

Also an OS 843 will now fit perfectly as will any after muffler. 

Good luck, Jerry

OK Sounds like a plan.  A later post mentions Aluminum tubing.   Does it matter if I use brass or aluminum?

[Dennis Toth]

The reports of the demise of Fox Model Motors is premature!!!! MECOA has it posted to their website as COMING SOON!!!!

http://www.mecoa.com/index.htm

Don't know what engines their will be manufacturing but I hope at least the Fox 35 will be one of them.

Best,    DennisT

[Brett Buck]

The reports of the demise of Fox Model Motors is premature!!!! MECOA has it posted to their website as COMING SOON!!!!

   Not to dampen anyone's enthusiasm, but lots of stuff on the MECOA website has shown "COMING SOON!!!!" for the entire time there has been websites. I haven't had any issue with items they had, but items they don't have right now, may never ever be seen.

     Brett

[Mike Griffin]

Some years ago, after Katrina when I moved to Georgia, I watched Bob Dixon take that old red Nobler with a FOX 35 in it and win many a contest flying expert. 

Mike

[Richard Walbridge]

Foxes are only good for one thing...The Hurl!!!!!


I have a huge* box of old Fox engines. Some were used when I was a kid, but most of them haven't been run in years and probably never will be.
Once a while I get an urge to annoy the neighborhood so maybe I should set up a test stand and just go through and run all my old engines. Just a couple ounces of fuel each.



*actually means 2 or 3 shoeboxes
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[Fredvon4]

As a kid my Dad was partial to McCoy (I assume now due to low cost)

When I graduated from crashing Cox .049 stuff to balsa Sterling S-1 Ringmaster or Slow combat Mongoose planes I was gifted a Enya 5224 .35 that I still have....could not kill it no matter my ignorant use of wrong fuels

I placed third at some contest and won a Fox 35 but don't remember a lot about it, as it ended up on a freeway adjacent to our flying site one day on its second ever flight

When I came back 40 years later, one project was a S-1 ringmaster and I wanted to use a McCoy 35---- but my one copy was really only good to look at. Bought a used Ebay Fox 35 and promptly disregarded the advice to put in a burp plug

Since, I have acquired several more Fox but focused on Lew Woolard versions.

On advice here, I also built some craft deliberately to use low cost OS engines from .20 to .46 and they all do as the advice suggested...easy start, not much fiddling and fly my craft just fine

But my one RM, with the Open exhaust Fox 35, still makes me grin the biggest....even when I have to pressure* wash the 28% castor off the bugger

*kidding, I find a good rag and Windex cuts the slime just fine off the Monokote

The way I feed and treat my engines these days, I am sure my son, and later my grand kids will get much use from them...even these few 30 year old Fox's that "are only good for one thing...The Hurl!!!!!"

[Larry Fernandez]

Most think that because I am the creator of the "World Famous Fox .15 Hurl", I have an axe to grind with Fox motors.
Not true.
I have seen MANY Fox .35s that ran great. In a smaller classic plane when properly broke in and fed the right fuel they will do the job just fine.
There is the issue of the Fox Burp during outside turns when mounted on a profile. I know, I know yours doesn't burp on the outsides.

A few years ago, the Gilroy Gang trekked up to Alameda to fly with the boys up there.
An older gentleman went on and on about how great his Ringmaster flew with a Fox .35 and claimed he had never experienced the dreaded burp.

 So he puts up a flight while Kim, Gerry and I watch on. Bigger than hell, the old Fox burps on every outside maneuver.
After the flight, the guys says, " So what did you think of that run?" and I reply "Well except for burping on the outside turns, not bad".
He told us we were full of crap and didn't know what we were talking about. He was completely oblivious and didn't want to hear about it.

Bottom line, he was happy with it and that's all that mattered.

Truth be told, I have never Hurled a Fox .35

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team 

[Scott Richlen]

So, why not come up with a club event based on using a Fox 35 and give each of those in the shoe boxes to a club member that participates?  Your loss is their gain or your gain is their loss (depending on how much you like Foxes....)

[Dwayne]

The reports of the demise of Fox Model Motors is premature!!!! MECOA has it posted to their website as COMING SOON!!!!

http://www.mecoa.com/index.htm

Don't know what engines their will be manufacturing but I hope at least the Fox 35 will be one of them.

Best,    DennisT

For now they will only be supplying parts, there will be no new engines manufactured, but still better than nothing. 

[Brett Buck]

yours doesn't burp on the outsides.

A few years ago, the Gilroy Gang trekked up to Alameda to fly with the boys up there.
An older gentleman went on and on about how great his Ringmaster flew with a Fox .35 and claimed he had never experienced the dreaded burp.

 So he puts up a flight while Kim, Gerry and I watch on. Bigger than hell, the old Fox burps on every outside maneuver.
After the flight, the guys says, " So what did you think of that run?" and I reply "Well except for burping on the outside turns, not bad".
He told us we were full of crap and didn't know what we were talking about. He was completely oblivious and didn't want to hear about it.

      I have seen the same story over and over, all across the country. Even when they crash because the engine quit.

    I have run the Fox 35 in more full stunt flights than most people not named Bob Gieseke, and *once I got it working correctly in an inverted mount*, it was very reliable (including back-to-back-to-back hot starts), and admirably durable. I have every expectation that if I could find the same fuel and tried firing it up in similar conditions, I could take my number 2 engine out of the ziplock bag, bolt it up, and it would be within a few clicks of the right setting even now, almost 40 years later. If I ever finish my Green Box Nobler, it's going right back in there with every expectation that it will work.

     But that's a far cry from the sort of  blind fanboi defense you see here all the time, it's got A LOT of issues compared to the competition now, here, in the year 2017. It was obsolete before I stopped flying it in the early 80's, and time has marched on.

     Brett

[Al Ferraro]

Please hurl all the Fox's you want my way!! At Brodak my Fox 35 stunt set up with my "Beast Mods" had an in air speed of 118mph and 112.5mph from a dead stop using APC prop, Powermaster GMA 10% fuel on suction. However it still maintains its stock appearance. Let's see a LA 25 do that and I don't care what parts you put in it.
Al