Found old Stunt instructions

[Paul Taylor]

’m guessing this is 50 yrs old. Learning how to stunt from a Carl Goldberg kit. I’m guessing Lil Wizard or Jumping Bean.
I need to build another Jumping Bean. My first one flew like a Jumping Bean cause I did not know what the CG symbol was or that I even needed to balance the plane. 🥴

Anyone notice something different with #14?

[Paul Taylor]

Backside

[Jim Svitko]

The horizontal 8 and the vertical 8 shown on those instructions have been called "lazy eights."  They are not what we fly for AMA CL aerobatics competition.

[Ken Culbertson]

Anyone notice something different with #14?

How about #5.   

Ken

[Jim Svitko]

How about #5.   

Ken

Yeah, I remember that!  It was supposed to prevent over-control but there was no way I could ever fly stiff arm.

[Paul Taylor]

As a teenager I spent many hours flying in our backyard. Mostly my mom launching me on a runway of old plywood.

[Ken Culbertson]

As a teenager I spent many hours flying in our backyard. Mostly my mom launching me on a runway of old plywood.

We were so young and full of dreams

Ken

[Brett Buck]

Yeah, I remember that!  It was supposed to prevent over-control but there was no way I could ever fly stiff arm.

    You would be amazed at how many people were screwed up by that sort of advice. It helps for the first 30 seconds, and is a disaster for the next 30 years.

    Brett

[Brett Buck]

’m guessing this is 50 yrs old. Learning how to stunt from a Carl Goldberg kit. I’m guessing Lil Wizard or Jumping Bean.
I need to build another Jumping Bean. My first one flew like a Jumping Bean cause I did not know what the CG symbol was or that I even needed to balance the plane.

    I can also confirm the Jumpin Bean will do an entire AMA Pattern, maybe not at the specified sizes, but for sure will do all the maneuvers to first approximation. Not a chance with a Wizard, of course.

      Brett

[Paul Taylor]

We were so young and full of dreams

Ken

Cool photo. Thanks for sharing. 👍🏼

[Paul Taylor]

    I can also confirm the Jumpin Bean will do an entire AMA Pattern, maybe not at the specified sizes, but for sure will do all the maneuvers to first approximation. Not a chance with a Wizard, of course.

      Brett

I’m going to have to get a Jumping Bean. Just not sure if I want to fight with a old Cox or go electric.
I really liked the Lil Wizard cause it had a “auto pilot” for slack lines. A rubber band on the bell crank to give it up and a large lead weight to drop the OB tip. 👍🏼👍🏼

[Brett Buck]

I’m going to have to get a Jumping Bean. Just not sure if I want to fight with a old Cox or go electric.

    Mine was just fine with a Golden Bee/6-3, dead nuts reliable. You have to have fast hands and go no more than one lap per maneuver.

       Brett

[John Park]

How about #5.   

Ken

Take a look at this! https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=8159 The 'Rigidrist' beginners' handle was a neat-enough attempt at preventing over-control in the early stages of learning - but neither I nor any of my C/L-flying friends (we were about 12 or 13, as I recall) seemed to have much of a problem with over control.  I suspect our models were too nose-heavy to respond to anything but the most definite handle movement!

John

[Jim Hoffman]

    Mine was just fine with a Golden Bee/6-3, dead nuts reliable.

       Brett

I've never seen Golden Bee and reliable in the same sentence.  I enjoyed intermittent successes only. 

When I began using Norvel / AME .049's for 1/2A profile scale models, all my Cox 049 stuff was discarded or given away.

[Brett Buck]

I've never seen Golden Bee and reliable in the same sentence.  I enjoyed intermittent successes only. 

When I began using Norvel / AME .049's for 1/2A profile scale models, all my Cox 049 stuff was discarded or given away.

   That's remarkable, I never had any problem with Cox engines, they were always bulletproof and I flew flight after flight after flight as fast as I could fill the tank, even when I was using my dad's Fox Superfuel. The only time I had any issues was when I figured I knew how to "improve" them, which could not have been less true.

   I did have one other issue, but it was a one-off - my TeeDee front housing cracked around where the venturi screwed in, and for a 11-year-old living in central Kentucky with no access to any hobby supplies, that was game over.

    Brett

[Dave_Trible]

As a kid in the 5-6th grade I carried that thing in my back pocket to school.  It was far more interesting than whatever the teacher was talking about.
I also had the AHC catalog in my notebook.


Dave

[john e. holliday]

I too flew in my back yard.  Dad would watch me as he was recovering from back surgery.  The old OK Cub .049A powered many of my planes which were bought at the Wekborn KS hardware store.  Charlies Hobby Shop in KCK had the Kayson 6-3 props which were low priced.   That is where I got my first 35 size plane.  A Guillows Rat Racer and learned about the KCK City Park circle.  Mr. Brooks put up the first flight on it.  Then helped me on second flight.  Then it all on me from then on.  Was also told the McCoy 35 Redhead needed more break in.   He had a small shop up by Northwest middle school.   Those were the days.

[Paul Taylor]

I've never seen Golden Bee and reliable in the same sentence.  I enjoyed intermittent successes only. 

When I began using Norvel / AME .049's for 1/2A profile scale models, all my Cox 049 stuff was discarded or given away.

I had a very interesting call with my good friend Chris Sterner. He is somewhat of a Cox collector. According to Chris if you got a good running Golden Bee you were lucky. Most of them ran like poo poo. If you look under the exhaust port on one side there is stamped the number 2. So 2 mean poo.
He suggest swapping a cylinder off a Black Widow because of the duel porting. Then you have a better Golden Bee.
He also had some other suggestions for improving the Cox motors. 😎

[Steve Helmick]

Getting realistic here for a moment, no where in the instructions does it say that they pretend to teach you how to fly the OTS or Modern AMA (or FAI) stunt pattern. They do give some basic tips that will lead a youthful pilot to buy more CG kits.  Steve

[kenneth cook]

             Paul, eventually the Golden Bee ended up having dual ports. The other critical item was the tank itself as they were offered with two different venturi sizes, the later matching the performance of the Black Widow. Personally, I would forego the integral tanked bees because they are fickle. Use a horseshoe backplate for the rear, and whatever choice up front and a tank and you won't be disappointed.

[Paul Taylor]

             Paul, eventually the Golden Bee ended up having dual ports. The other critical item was the tank itself as they were offered with two different venturi sizes, the later matching the performance of the Black Widow. Personally, I would forego the integral tanked bees because they are fickle. Use a horseshoe backplate for the rear, and whatever choice up front and a tank and you won't be disappointed.

Thanks Ken. Yea Chris had mention the tanks with the bigger venturi.

I’m still on the fence if I got Cox or Cobra. 🤪
But a Jumping Bean is on my bucket list. 😉

[Jim Svitko]

The Jumping Bean is a 1/2A size Shoestring, and it is a good performer.   Back in the day, nobody tried the pattern with it but it was a favorite.  I also had good luck with a Golden Bee on it.

There are other 1/2A planes similar to the Jumping Bean.  The Baby Flite Streak and Baby Ringmaster come to mind, but I can remember flying only the Bean.

[Ken Culbertson]

The Jumping Bean is a 1/2A size Shoestring, and it is a good performer.   Back in the day, nobody tried the pattern with it but it was a favorite.  I also had good luck with a Golden Bee on it.

There are other 1/2A planes similar to the Jumping Bean.  The Baby Flite Streak and Baby Ringmaster come to mind, but I can remember flying only the Bean.

Had all 3 with my trusty Golden Bee.  There were about 3 kids just on our street flying in their backyards.  Mother's used to come out with refreshments.  Man how times have changed.

Ken

[Dave_Trible]

The Stuntman 23 was/is my favorite of the Goldberg 1/2 As.  With a golden bee I learned loops, eights and inverted on one in the backyard as a kid.  I have four now for training the grandkids.  I keep one for myself with a Killer Bee on it.

Dave

[Shorts,David]

   The only time I had any issues was when I figured I knew how to "improve" them, which could not have been less true.

    Brett

I was given an "improved" tee dee .051 back in the day. I mounted it to a Messerschmitt Comet radio control kit. It was impossible to get running and when it did run the comet lived up to the name comet. It was very difficult to see the flames until the nose blackened and the foam melted. Never seen a stock .051 do that.

[Dan McEntee]

   I probably have some of these "Learn To Stunt" sheets around here somewhere and I used them to learn the basics as a kid along with some books I checked out of the library. My late little brother and I did most of the usual kits, and it was surprising to me them, and even now that some of the ones we wanted never showed up on the hobby shop shelves. I have managed to collect most of the ones we had or wanted back then and plan to revisit them, especially the ones I had problems with. My biggest regret is I never sent off for one of Goldberg's Pilot Certificates after I achieved what ever requirement there was to earn one. If anyone out there has one of those I would like to see what they looked like, if possible, just to see what I missed. I do have a set of Cox "Wally Wings" they I collected off of eBay in recent years.
   I didn't have much trouble with any of the engines we had as kids. Cox engines and the Testors/Wen-Mac products tended to operate just like the instructions said. We got a few other kids from the next block over interested and they would come over to fly in the field behind our house. it was a Union Electric power line right of way, and we shouldn't have been flying there, but we never had any issues flying with the Dacron lines. It was that mythical field of tall grass that was always mentioned on the plans as the place to fly the models! We had to hand launch all the time but that wasn't an issue. We would pool our gas supplies and have a ball on Saturday and Sunday afternoons. One particular Sunday there was about a dozen of us, and we managed to get 9 1/2A models in the air at one time! One got loose, went up and over the trees by our patio where my Mom was BBQing and in smashed into the concrete right next to her! She never even flinched and just yelled, "Hey Watch it!!" While I apologized and retrieved the wreckage! I often wonder who fo that bunch may still be involved in the hobby or if they still have any of there stuff yet??
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee