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Offline Ty Marcucci

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For you full size aerobatic plane pilots, a question
« on: November 10, 2021, 01:42:29 PM »
Have any of you gents read a book by Joshua Cooper Ramo titles "No Visible Horizon"??  An exciting look into the minds and lives of aerobatic pilots the world over.  H^^
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Re: For you aerobatic full size pilots, a question
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2021, 02:48:40 PM »
Quote from: Ty Marcucci on November 10, 2021, 01:42:29 PM
Have any of you gents read a book by Joshua Cooper Ramo titles "No Visible Horizon"??  An exciting look into the minds and lives of aerobatic pilots the world over.  H^^

 I read "The Man Who Road The Thunder."

You should look into it.
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Re: For you full size aerobatic plane pilots, a question
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2021, 05:12:51 AM »
I read “No visible horizon” many years ago.  It’s a reasonably accurate representation of the sport of full size aerobatics.  Personally I flew with or competed against a lot of the pilots mentioned in the book.  Many are no longer with us.  Aerobatics is a horribly unforgiving sport.

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Re: For you full size aerobatic plane pilots, a question
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2021, 05:52:16 AM »
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Re: For you full size aerobatic plane pilots, a question
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2021, 01:19:28 PM »
I have not read the book but did read the short excerpt on Amazon. Sounds like a good book. Aerobatics are totally intoxicating. 
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Re: For you full size aerobatic plane pilots, a question
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2021, 02:27:53 AM »
Funny, I thought the sport of aerobatics very safe. No one until Vickie Cruse in 2009 at the CIVA Worlds had been killed in a contest since the start of IAC in 1970 and maybe before then.
The business of low level airshow acts is totally different and the accidents come directly from low altitude operation.
I find a big difference between aerobatic sport contest flying with the 1500 ft, 1200 ft, 800 ft and 100M altitude limits for the skill classes and the zero altitude limit for airshow acts.
The dramatic title seems to be there to sell the book.
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Re: For you full size aerobatic plane pilots, a question
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2021, 07:30:25 AM »
 I agree with Chris that sport aerobatics and IAC competition is relatively safe when compared to airshow aerobatics. However in 1977 or '78, Gary Burnstien, of St Louis, Missouri, was killed during an IAC competition at Salem, Illinois. He lost a wing and was unable to get out of the plane. I was there helping to judge and as far as I know IAC never acknowledged the accident. A sad day.

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Re: For you full size aerobatic plane pilots, a question
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2021, 09:14:39 AM »
The contest statistics are misleading.  Less than 1% of my annual flight time was contest flights.  The other 99% was practice or cross country to contests.  That is where the majority of accidents occur.

In competition the last round is usually an unknown UNK is given to the pilots at the contest.  No practice of the UNK is permitted.   Flying a very demanding sequence without practice and a 100 meter floor is very difficult.  Add to that the sequence is often designed by individuals not qualified for the task.   

My Airshow sequence is much less demanding than a unlimited unknown.   

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Re: For you full size aerobatic plane pilots, a question
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2021, 09:32:59 AM »
    It's all probably still more safe that driving in rush hour traffic! I think one of the best aspects of my forced retirement is that I don't have to do battle on the highways any more! It gets down right scary sometimes!
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Re: For you full size aerobatic plane pilots, a question
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2021, 02:48:53 PM »
I taught myself some aerobatics... mostly because an instructor riding with me always made me nervous.  My plane was power-limited for vertical stunts, but good enough for most "non-airshow" type maneuvers.  Always at a safe altitude!

This shows me getting settled in the rear seat for a short hop at the airshow with a passenger.
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Re: For you full size aerobatic plane pilots, a question
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2021, 03:21:28 PM »
Quote from: FLOYD CARTER on December 25, 2021, 02:48:53 PM
I taught myself some aerobatics... mostly because an instructor riding with me always made me nervous.  My plane was power-limited for vertical stunts, but good enough for most "non-airshow" type maneuvers.  Always at a safe altitude!

This shows me getting settled in the rear seat for a short hop at the airshow with a passenger.

I'm jealous!

I've flown a bunch of stuff but I have absolutely no time in a biplane.

Congratulations!

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Re: For you full size aerobatic plane pilots, a question
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2021, 01:12:32 PM »
  As a glider flyer i did some acrobatics but never saw any glider acrobatic competition .
 I was on Flagler field when the French Connection collided in a vertical clime less than 500 ft above the ground. We were on the next runway setting up for our contest. TV crews were there filming for there upcoming show.
 I went on a acrobatic training flight  with Daniel at Flagler about six months before his fatal  flight. He returned my fee as i was the oldest guy he had ever taken on a full training flight and was able to fly inverted and not get disoriented.

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Re: For you full size aerobatic plane pilots, a question
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2021, 07:24:31 PM »
Quote from: Mark wood on November 11, 2021, 01:19:28 PM
I have not read the book but did read the short excerpt on Amazon. Sounds like a good book. Aerobatics are totally intoxicating.

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