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Offline Mike Griffin

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Frisky Pete.
« on: May 22, 2018, 09:32:24 AM »
Here is an OTS design that Eric Rule and I have been kicking around for a while and thought about kitting.  The Frisky Pete. 
So, what do you guys think?  Think you might want a kit of this beauty?  Let me know.

Sincere thanks to Bob Hunt for letting me use this picture of his Frisky Pete.  For some reason I want to keep calling it Sneaky Pete. 

Mike

PS - Click on picture to enlarge it
« Last Edit: June 10, 2018, 02:49:52 PM by Mike Griffin »

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2018, 10:33:23 AM »
I could use a replacement for the ISW that is no more. D>K


ISW=International Stunt Winner that was a Walter Umland kit. H^^
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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2018, 10:45:54 AM »
I could use a replacement for the ISW that is no more. D>K


ISW=International Stunt Winner that was a Walter Umland kit. H^^

Thank you Doc.  I appreciate it.

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2018, 12:38:33 PM »
I have been looking at Bobs plans and wouldn't mind a short kit
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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2018, 12:42:47 PM »
I saw Bob fly the Frisky Pete several times at VSC and it was a very impressive little airplane.  Of course most of what Bob does is impressive!

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2018, 12:48:06 PM »
I have been looking at Bobs plans and wouldn't mind a short kit

If you can hang on for a little while Bob until I get some more responses back, we will try and fulfill that for you.  I know Eric has to draw the CAD files but that should not take long.

I had planned to offer the kit with all laser cut parts needed, a plan and a landing gear and I guess a canopy.  The builder would supply his own sticks and sheeting and control hardware.  We could offer a hardware package as an option but a lot of people like to furnish their own hardware.

Thank you for the response.

Mike

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2018, 12:49:30 PM »
I saw Bob fly the Frisky Pete several times at VSC and it was a very impressive little airplane.  Of course most of what Bob does is impressive!

Randy Cuberly

Hey Randy

Bob told me it was a good flying plane.  I just thought it was a good looking OTS model...then again, I am old too

Mike

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2018, 01:02:35 PM »
Tom Neibuhr and Bob Hunt both built Petes 
Bob used his "lost Foam" method, which, I bet, made for an accurate wing.....it's kinda tough to make from plans.

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2018, 02:35:33 PM »
Bob must have temporarily been out of copper paint that day.   LL~

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2018, 04:25:35 PM »
I believe that Bob used a Hampshire Fox 25?

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2018, 06:56:21 PM »
Yup, that one had a Hampshire-tuned Fox 25 in it. It was LOUD!

That ship needs to be built extremely light and mine was all up at 22 ounces. It flew very well and tracked like a freight train, I won the first round at one VSC with that ship on its third flight! It glides like a set of keys, so be low and prepared to land when the power shuts off! I flew mine on .012 solids, but the "new" rules would allow the use of .010 solids or .012 cables, I think it would be killer on the .010 solids!

Later - Bob Hunt

   
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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2018, 08:27:01 PM »
    I built one as well.  Got a set Bob’s plans for Christmas one year and built one in 39 days for VSC 2012 (quite a feat since I was in Gray Eagle school for 10 hours a day  :P ).  It didn’t come out so light—around 29oz—due to the short suspense and I was forced to work with what wood I had on hand.  It was also my first poly-and-dope finish and that part didn’t come out that great either. 

    Having said that, it is a really cool looking and honest flying airplane in my eyes.  Powered it with an LA25 and flew it on 67’x.015 and flew it fast due to the weight.  Won a few OTS contests and even got a classic win!  I’m currently working on another.  The only snag to building from plans is that Sig no longer makes bubble canopies, which the plans called for an 11” canopy.

     Mike, wish you had posted this about 6 months ago!  Ill take a kit to add to the stash.

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2018, 08:47:51 PM »
    I built one as well.  Got a set Bob’s plans for Christmas one year and built one in 39 days for VSC 2012 (quite a feat since I was in Gray Eagle school for 10 hours a day  :P ).  It didn’t come out so light—around 29oz—due to the short suspense and I was forced to work with what wood I had on hand.  It was also my first poly-and-dope finish and that part didn’t come out that great either. 

    Having said that, it is a really cool looking and honest flying airplane in my eyes.  Powered it with an LA25 and flew it on 67’x.015 and flew it fast due to the weight.  Won a few OTS contests and even got a classic win!  I’m currently working on another.  The only snag to building from plans is that Sig no longer makes bubble canopies, which the plans called for an 11” canopy.

Thank you Sean...duly noted....

Mike
     Mike, wish you had posted this about 6 months ago!  Ill take a kit to add to the stash.

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2018, 09:58:35 PM »
Calhoun Smith design?

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2018, 10:41:31 PM »
Mike, the plans call for 2-3/8" wheels.  Great Planes, Robart, Dubro, and Dave Brown list 2-1/4" and 2-1/2" wheels but not 2-3/8".  Do you have a source for these wheels, or do you plan to modify the wheel pants?  Just curious.

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2018, 11:04:48 PM »
Mike, the plans call for 2-3/8" wheels.  Great Planes, Robart, Dubro, and Dave Brown list 2-1/4" and 2-1/2" wheels but not 2-3/8".  Do you have a source for these wheels, or do you plan to modify the wheel pants?  Just curious.

Steve I had not even noticed that.  If we kit it we will have to make adjustments for the wheel pants.  Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

Mike

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2018, 11:20:03 PM »
Mike  The motor mounts need to be lowered somewhat to accommodate modern motors.  The K&B 24, 29 and 32 has mounting lugs about 3/16 inch higher than the C/L of the crankshaft as was also common with the O&R motors of the day.  That is if you intend to stay true the model as designed by Cal Smith.  In any event,  I'll take a kit if you decide to do it.

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2018, 05:50:14 AM »
Mike, the plans call for 2-3/8" wheels.  Great Planes, Robart, Dubro, and Dave Brown list 2-1/4" and 2-1/2" wheels but not 2-3/8".  Do you have a source for these wheels, or do you plan to modify the wheel pants?  Just curious.

    2 1/4" wheels work just fine.  Plenty of options out there

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2018, 05:50:39 AM »
This seems like an appropriate place to post the story I wrote about the Frisky Pete. Enjoy - Bob

Cal Smith’s Frisky Pete
Story by Bob Hunt

In 1952 Fawcett Books published a book entitled “Cal Smith on Model Building.” Cal’s real name was S. Calhoun Smith, but the modeling world knew him simply and well as Cal Smith. A complete story about Cal’s involvement in modeling would make for a very long and detailed book in itself. Cal was well known in the model airplane field as a designer, author, competitor, illustrator and all around good guy. He was in large part responsible for the Navy Carrier event.

Cal’s 1952 book was a showcase for his widely diverse interests in modeling. In it were general articles about control line flying, free flight flying, radio control flying, model boating, R/C race cars, and other articles about tools, materials, general construction techniques, covering and finishing. There were also a number of original designs with plans published in that book. Among these were several F/F and C/L designs that covered the spectrum from beginner to expert competitor types. One of these was a very sporty and easy to build C/L stunt model called the Frisky Pete.

My dad had a copy of that book and it was a favorite of mine. I’d sit and read the articles over and over, and I picked up a lot of valuable building information that I still use to this day. My favorite model in that book was the “Frisky Pete.” It had the looks of a Goodyear racer type plane, and the plans depicted it with very sleek, optional wheel pants (Although Cal decided not to install them on the model pictured in the article). I always wanted to build one, but full-size plans were not available at that time. The plans in the magazine did include a scale, so I really could have drawn it up if I hadn’t been so lazy!

Over the years I would often open that book and again get the urge to build the Frisky Pete. In 1995 decided to finally bite the bullet and build one for the 25th Anniversary Garden State Circle Burners Old Time Stunt event. Dick Sarpolus had similar feelings about Frisky Pete and he had the plans from the book enlarged to full-size. He sent the enlargement to me to do an overlay and trace the outline accurately in pencil. The problem was that the model had been drawn on two separate plates for the book and the two scales did not agree. Even when that problem was overcome it was found that a few of the parts dimensions did not agree from one plate to the other. It was decided to use the side view as the master for these dimensions and a new set of accurate plans were drawn in pencil.

I actually built my Frisky Pete in less than two weeks to have it ready to use at the Vintage Stunt Championships that year. One major problem was found almost right away as I began to build the fuselage. The original model had been designed around a K&B Torpedo .29. The lower face of that engine’s mounting lugs were not in line with the center of the crankshaft. Virtually all other glow engines have the lower face of the lugs right on the center line of the crankshaft, and I was going to be using one of these; a Fox .25 specifically… This meant that the motor mount shown on the plans were actually 3/16 of an inch too high in the model! I don’t think that too many will actually power their Frisky Pete models with a Torp .29, so I have modified the plans to accommodate regular glow engines. If you do opt to use the Torp, remember to raise the mounts 3/16 of an inch!

Since I was building my Frisky Pete to travel to VSC, I decided to make the landing gear removable so that the shipping box wouldn’t have to be too deep. This is an easy task on the Frisky Pete as the 3/32-inch diameter music wire landing gear is sandwiched between two pieces of plywood with a center plywood spacer below the traverse section of the LG wire. It was a simple matter to use a single bolt through the three pieces of plywood to clamp the gear securely in place. The DVD you received with this package shows this modification in detail. It was necessary to glue the landing gear wire to the spacer and put a blind nut behind the aft plywood piece. The removable landing gear allows you to make up two sets of landing gear; one with pants for asphalt circles and smooth grass fields and one for rough grass fields.

The Fox .25 I used was re-worked by my flying buddy, Tom Hampshire. It ran smooth and had a bunch of power, but it was also quite thirsty. Add to that the fact that in modern (?) OTS competition we now have to allow two laps between maneuvers for judging, where in the early 1950s they only had to do one lap, and you can see that the stock tank compartment was way too small. I cut a notch in the leading edge of the wing to accommodate a larger tank. In doing so I weakened the wing a bit and also went into the area where the bellcrank was supposed to be mounted according to the plan. The bellcrank position is not critical, so I simply moved it aft and substituted a post type mount (as you would use in a foam wing) in place of the plate type mount shown on the plan. It was positioned just far enough aft to clear the rear of the new tank compartment. 

To regain the lost strength from cutting away the leading edge sheeting I installed two basswood “tension and compression” joiners like the ones I’ve used successfully for years in my Lost-Foam built-up wings. These joiners fit into the ribs on the top and bottom, butt up against the 3/16 balsa spars in each wing and also glue to the center section sheeting when it is installed. The result is a much stronger than stock arrangement. The top basswood spar is in tension during outside maneuvers and in compression during inside maneuvers. The bottom spar is in tension during insides and in compression during outsides. This is extremely strong construction and it makes for an even better performing and much longer lasting model! I have added two addendum views on the plan to depict these modifications. Being that they are all internal modifications and in no way affect the outside aesthetics or dimensions of the finished model that are perfectly legal in OTS competition. Note that the basswood joiners also double as additional bellcrank mounts! I position narrow pieces of 1/16 inch thick plywood over the bellcrank post on the top and bottom of the wing after it has been installed in the fuselage (See drawing for clarification of this).

I built the wing for my Frisky Pete in my Lost-Foam Wing Building system. This system virtually assures a perfectly straight, warp-free wing. In this system a blank for a foam core replica of the desired built-up wing is cut. The rib positions are lofted vertically from the bench to the top of each blank. Then the root and tip templates are attached to the blanks and the core is cut as with a normal foam wing. The core is then sanded and the rib positions are drawn across the core in pen. The spar is also drawn on the core, as is the position of the trailing edge. The spar position is also drawn on the bottom of the core. The lower cradle half, which is just as accurate a negative representation of the wing shape as the core is a positive representation, is sanded and the entire plan-form of the wing is again laid out on the cradle’s surface in pen. The two lower cradle halves are then joined with epoxy.

A perfectly accurate rib template is achieved by laying the end of one of the cores (Remember, this is a constant chord wing…) onto a piece of 1/32 inch thick plywood and tracing the shape onto the plywood. The plywood is then cut close to the line, but not to it! The plywood rib template blank is then pinned to the end of the foam core using 4 penny nails, and the plywood template blank is detail sanded, using a block fitted with #220 grit sandpaper, until it conforms perfectly to the core. Before we remove the template from the core, we make tick marks where the spar will be located and then add in the notches after the template has been removed from the core.

We cut our cores with fully rounded leading edges because we prefer to use molded leading edge shells instead of carved blocks. And so, the round nose is reflected in the template. The molded leading edge is much simpler to make, it is lighter and it is absolutely accurate. The original plan for the Frisky Pete called for the ribs to be cut from 3/32 inch balsa. I opted to make them from 1/16 balsa. Since they are under cap strips anyway, this is another modification that is perfectly legal under the OTS rules. The thinner ribs are more than strong enough, and are lighter. I also fitted the 1/16 shear webs between the 3/16 inch square spars instead of gluing them behind the spars and under the cap strips as the plans depict. This is a legal internal modification. I added in an adjustable leadout guide and an adjustable tip weight box; again both legal modifications under the OTS rules.

The plans show a sheeted turtle deck and forward fuselage deck. I substituted carved and hollowed balsa blocks for these pieces, being very careful to duplicate the shapes of the original sheeted parts. I’m going to build another Frisky Pete soon and use molded balsa shells for the turtle deck and the forward fuselage decking. I’m planning to make the molded shells commercially available at that time. The Lost-Foam Wing Building System for the Frisky Pete is available now through Robin’s View Productions. If you order this fixture set for use with a molded leading edge, a set of leading edge mold bucks will be included. Also included is a pre-made 1/32 plywood rib template so you can start cutting ribs immediately. We also offer a service in which we will mold the leading edge shells for you, or even build the entire wing.

I covered my Frisky Pete with Polyspan. After several coats of clear dope were applied, I tinted some thinner using Polyspan dye and sprayed it on the airframe to achieve a great tinted finish effect. Some acrylic lacquer medium blue was used for the trim and a black pinstripe was added for contrast. All of this finish was applied in less than four days! The Frisky Pete won the Best Appearing OTS model at VSC that year. The prize was a fully built and finished model donated by Floyd Carter. That was a surprise!

My Frisky Pete weighed in at 22 ounces ready to fly. I made a custom 3 ˝ ounce fuel tank from .007 tin stock and it was just enough! I flew it on 60 foot long .012 lines (Center of the handle to the center of the bellcrank). On its third flight it won the first round of OTS at the 1995 VSC… I’d say that was “right off the board” performance!

As mentioned earlier, I flew mine on a Fox .25 fitted with a Zinger 10 x 4 prop. The next one will be powered by either an Enya .25 or a Magnum .25. There are several other excellent .25 size motors on the market that would work fine as well.

I’d be most pleased to answer any and all questions you might have about the Frisky Pete, especially questions that you might have while building one. My phone number is: 610-746-0106 and I’m usually in my shop each evening until at least 10:00 PM (Eastern).

Here are the vital stats on the Frisky Pete:

Wingspan: 40 inches
Wing area: 310 square inches
Suggested flying weight: 21 to 30 ounces (The lighter the better!)
Power: .19 to .29 glow engines


« Last Edit: May 26, 2018, 12:59:42 PM by Bob Hunt »

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2018, 08:19:28 AM »
Hi Bob....doesn't the Pete have a screwy spar? Seems to me that the lost foam would be about the only way to replicate it easily?

I remember your Pete....flew well at a "spirited" clip.

Have fun

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2018, 09:19:14 AM »
Hi Rich:

No, the Frisky Pete's spars are quite straight forward. There are 3/16-inch square spars at the top and bottom of the wing, and then shear webs are added in the normal fashion.

Perhaps you are thinking of the 1950 International Stunt Winner (similar looking plane...) by Red Reinhardt; it has a swept forward 1/16-inch D-Tube spar and it "egg crates" with the ribs. It is a bear to assemble, and, yes, the Lost-Foam system would be a benefit in building that one. The Frisky Pete can be built on a flat board, but it is much easier to do in the Lost-Foam system, and the molded shells are an added benefit in the LF system.

Later - Bob
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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2018, 11:32:14 AM »
Bob;

You know I really like you as a person and certainly I respect you as one of  the "innovative thinkers" but don't you think that you may have hijacked Mike's post?

With deepest respect
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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2018, 02:41:14 PM »
Sorry that you feel that way, Eric. I was asked a specific question in the thread and answered it. There were other questions asked that I feel could be best addressed by posting the story that I wrote about the Frisky Pete. Mike even contacted me about the ship and I sent him the photo of my model.

I guess responding to the questions asked, and/or adding to the discussion from my personal experiences is not something I'm supposed to do. Please let me know which threads I can respond to in the future.

Bob Hunt
 

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2018, 07:09:00 AM »
  I am going to pass on this one.  If anyone wants to build a Frisky Pete, there is adequate information within the thread to secure materials to do so.

EDIT:  The kit will be produced...see post below.

Mike
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« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2018, 07:21:08 AM »
Bob, I enjoyed reading your history on this model.  Thanks for sharing.

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2018, 10:25:41 AM »
Bobby I too enjoyed reading about your Frisky Pete.   Eric must have forgot his morning coffee.  I thank Mike for even considering a kit.   D>K
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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2018, 08:41:17 PM »
        Mike and Eric, I hope y'all have a good response on the "Frisky Pete". You can put me down for one. The F.P. and the Feno are my favorite OTS planes. I plan to build them both real soon.
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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2018, 10:33:08 PM »
Due to the positive response of messages I have been receiving about the possibility of a Frisky Pete kit, I have conferred with Eric and I have decided to go ahead and produce the kit.  I first want to thank everyone who called and messaged me encouraging me to go ahead with the production of the kit and that meant the world to me.

Eric has some CAD work to finish up and then we will be ready to start cutting kits.  To keep the kit affordable for everyone, the kit will include all the laser cut parts needed to build the model, a landing gear, a canopy (if we can still find them) and a full sized construction plan.  You will need to furnish sheeting, spars and the control hardware of your choice.

Give me a little time to get with Eric and get everything in place and in the meantime, those of you who want to reserve a kit who have not already done so, either send me a PM or e mail me at mikegriffin1947@gmail.com. 

I will do a test build on the prototype of the model to make sure everything is good before we ship it to you.  This is imperative to catch any flaws before they reach you.

Thank you and let me know as soon as possible if you want a kit.

Mike

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2018, 04:20:37 AM »


          Bob

             Enjoyed the article. I found your upgrades and mods to the construction of the 'Pete especially helpful. Thanks for sharing.

          Ara

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2018, 12:57:30 PM »
Thanks, Ara, Jason, and Doc for the comments.

It seems I may have rained on Mike and Eric's parade a bit by posting my story about the Frisky Pete. That was not my intention. I really posted that story as a subliminal way to alert Mike and Eric to the fact that the Frisky Pete's tank compartment in stock form is inadequate for flying the OTS pattern with two laps between maneuvers. Substantial internal re-design and restructuring is required to make the model accept a bigger tank and also be adequately strong. They may have already figured that out... It would have been a shame to have produced a great kit of that model and then not be able to use it in OTS competition. Sorry to both of them if I offended.

These forums are double edged swords. If someone on a thread asks a question that may conflict with the initial poster's intentions, and then someone answers the question from personal experience, the result can be hurt feelings. For the record, I do not, and will not, ever produce a kit for the Frisky Pete. If someone wants to build a wing for his or her kit model using the Lost-Foam fixtures, I do not see a conflict. The Frisky Pete wing - as I mentioned earlier in this thread - can be built perfectly well without the use of any type of jig. Due to its constant chord wing, it can be built with the TE flat on the building board.

In my way of apologizing for any transgression, I'll be most pleased to publish a prominent product release announcement for the new Frisky Pete kit in my Model Aviation column.

In the future if anyone thinks that I may be able to answer a question about anything related to building or flying, please contact me personally. I've had enough forum strife to last me the rest of my life, and I'll not post on such subjects here ever again.

Later - Bob Hunt

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2018, 03:54:35 PM »
Thanks, Ara, Jason, and Doc for the comments.

It seems I may have rained on Mike and Eric's parade a bit by posting my story about the Frisky Pete. That was not my intention. I really posted that story as a subliminal way to alert Mike and Eric to the fact that the Frisky Pete's tank compartment in stock form is inadequate for flying the OTS pattern with two laps between maneuvers. Substantial internal re-design and restructuring is required to make the model accept a bigger tank and also be adequately strong. They may have already figured that out... It would have been a shame to have produced a great kit of that model and then not be able to use it in OTS competition. Sorry to both of them if I offended.

These forums are double edged swords. If someone on a thread asks a question that may conflict with the initial poster's intentions, and then someone answers the question from personal experience, the result can be hurt feelings. For the record, I do not, and will not, ever produce a kit for the Frisky Pete. If someone wants to build a wing for his or her kit model using the Lost-Foam fixtures, I do not see a conflict. The Frisky Pete wing - as I mentioned earlier in this thread - can be built perfectly well without the use of any type of jig. Due to its constant chord wing, it can be built with the TE flat on the building board.

In my way of apologizing for any transgression, I'll be most pleased to publish a prominent product release announcement for the new Frisky Pete kit in my Model Aviation column.

In the future if anyone thinks that I may be able to answer a question about anything related to building or flying, please contact me personally. I've had enough forum strife to last me the rest of my life, and I'll not post on such subjects here ever again.

Later - Bob Hunt

Thank you Bob, I appreciate your post very much and your input about your past experience in building a flying the Frisky Pete is appreciated.  We still have some work to do on the CAD files and then I will do a test build before we release the kit.  We want to make sure we have covered all the bases to make the kit easy to build while maintaining the characteristics and looks of the original.  Also, thank you for the offer of the product release when we are ready to go.

We will offer it as a short kit with an option for updated control hardware if desired.

I will make an announcement when we are ready to start shipping kits.

Kindest regards,
Mike

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2018, 01:15:15 PM »
It's to bad ol'e  Cal didn't design the "Pete" with a inverted engine. Tank problem would go away.  Would that be a legal mod???

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2018, 01:28:24 PM »
It's to bad ol'e  Cal didn't design the "Pete" with a inverted engine. Tank problem would go away.  Would that be a legal mod???

No!  However cutting the leading edge of the wing away, inside the fuselage, and moving the bell crank back to provide room for a real tank would.

It would make a really cute little airplane with an inverted engine however!

 ;) ;)

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2018, 02:25:27 PM »
Bob flew his Pete at a GSCB Anniversary of OTS (20th?)…he came out to practice and I mentioned that Tom had done a clone to his Fox for me....


Bob explained that sometimes the Fox was reluctant to start, and demonstrated how he worked around that.

He explained that the plan was to flip it until it started, pinch the spinner and then give a signal immediately, flip it again and PRESTO! It started within the time....

On Bob's demo, he flipped it, it started, he pinched it and it stopped....only to catch FIRE! Much huffing and puffing and the fire was out, with very little char....I told him that I didn't know if I could do that.....

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2018, 04:31:34 PM »
No!  However cutting the leading edge of the wing away, inside the fuselage, and moving the bell crank back to provide room for a real tank would.

It would make a really cute little airplane with an inverted engine however!

 ;) ;)

Randy Cuberly

Eric has already addressed and fixed this problem.  I will be announcing some really good enhancements that will be in the kit very soon.  Eric is close to finishing the CAD.

Mike

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2018, 05:12:38 PM »
Bob flew his Pete at a GSCB Anniversary of OTS (20th?)…he came out to practice and I mentioned that Tom had done a clone to his Fox for me....


Bob explained that sometimes the Fox was reluctant to start, and demonstrated how he worked around that.

He explained that the plan was to flip it until it started, pinch the spinner and then give a signal immediately, flip it again and PRESTO! It started within the time....

On Bob's demo, he flipped it, it started, he pinched it and it stopped....only to catch FIRE! Much huffing and puffing and the fire was out, with very little char....I told him that I didn't know if I could do that.....

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2018, 08:27:06 PM »
Here’s a few pics of the Pete I’m building, to show just how short the nose is and how tight of a squeeze it is to get everything in there.  I wanted to carry enough fuel to do the full pattern if the situation called for, and the homemade tank carries just enough fuel to get it all in.  The foredeck formers were replaced with 1/32” ply about 1/4” thick.  This give enough clearance for such a big tank. 

Another bit of an issue is very narrow clearance for the push rod/elevator horn linkage.  Currently working that situation.  Looks like a 4-40 clevace is the best route.

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2018, 08:55:38 PM »
Hi Sean,
what size OS is that?

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2018, 10:18:26 PM »
Hi Sean,
what size OS is that?

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2018, 10:59:50 AM »
Lot of engine for that little plane.    LL~ LL~  Keep us posted as I have Fox 19 I plan on using if the kit comes thru. H^^
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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2018, 03:28:09 PM »
Lot of engine for that little plane.    LL~ LL~  Keep us posted as I have Fox 19 I plan on using if the kit comes thru. H^^

Doc the kit is being produced.  Eric is cutting a prototype for me to build next week.  That 19 should work really well also.

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...UPDATE 6/2/2018
« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2018, 04:10:19 AM »
Eric Rule called last night and he has mailed me the Frisky Pete test kit to build and I should have it by the first of the week.  I will post some pictures of the build as I do it.  Once I have determined that everything is as it should be, I will release the kits for shipping.  Thank you for the orders you have placed so far and please go ahead and get on the list for the first kit run if you want a kit.

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...UPDATE 6/2/2018
« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2018, 06:35:12 AM »
   Tank U too much Mike!
      Doug
           

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Re: For Frisky Petes Sake...UPDATE 6/2/2018
« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2018, 12:35:21 PM »
Am I first? ???
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Re: Frisky Pete. Test Build in Progress
« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2018, 06:58:03 PM »
Here are couple of pictures of the start of the test build on the kit.



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