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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: proparc on November 27, 2013, 01:01:37 PM

Title: For Bob Whitely
Post by: proparc on November 27, 2013, 01:01:37 PM
Bob,

Windy Urtnowski just emailed me concerning the Skyraider. "Drop that wing and put the dihedral in!!!!!!" He actually used more exclamation points then that. There seems to be a consensus among the Walker Cup guys for the "real deal" on the Skyraider. But, attached are pictures of how I wanted to roll on this one. I think Kaz has got a pretty decent looking ship here and, I definitely feel like I could build this-no problem. That said, I could whip out my Al Rabe articles and bust out a super duper version for you hard core guys. 
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: Bob Whitely on November 27, 2013, 02:48:35 PM
Kaz had a very nice finish on his model. RJ
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: Dan McEntee on November 27, 2013, 03:20:43 PM
  The only problem I had with Kaz's Hellcat is the nose is too long. Even for a stunt semi scale stunt model, which is usually sort of a characature of the real airplane, it's a little too long to hold the flavor of the Hellcat, but that's just me. I didn't get to see the model personally, but I understand it was a 19 or 20 pointer? And it's performance certainly speaks for itself. If I were to do a Hellcat or a Skyraider like Milton, I would go four stroke and have the weight figured into a proper nose moment to help balance it out. I also love the ADs! I have a Midwest kit to copy one of these days, and my favorite scheme is the one with the bumble bee sliding down the tail and dorsel fin, which has been posted in the other thread.
   Keep us posted on progress Milt
   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: proparc on November 27, 2013, 03:31:37 PM
 
   Keep us posted on progress Milt
   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

The rough work on the Skyraider is finished. Screenshots are over at the CAD forum. The next several days will be spent doing detail work and preparing the auxillary views for Tania to do her Inventor magic,(she is so talented!)
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: wwwarbird on November 28, 2013, 02:19:52 AM
 Kaz's Hellcat is an incredible original design model which is immaculately built and finished, and is also a very competitive flyer. None of that can be debated.
 
 Anyone who knows anything about the semi-scale stunt game, especially when it comes to design, also knows that there are many considerations and  compromises that need to be made to end up with a "believable", recognizable, and yet competitive model. The design decisions are made by determining and committing to what the absolute priorities are for the finished model, whether it be all out competition, or a museum quality scale appearance. Finding that balance takes a keen eye, and quality time in designing. When the priority is stunt competition, finding that overall balance is even more difficult. Kaz's Hellcat is a perfect example of an instantly recognizable design that is dressed in a full-blown stunt model's clothing. Overall, that Hellcat is incredibly well done, and very tough to top. y1  
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: john e. holliday on November 28, 2013, 08:04:16 AM
That is why Al Rabe's CD's are invaluable.  He goes through the procedures and thoughts on his semi scale planes he competed with and also won with.   Yes he did fudge here and there on some of the dimensions, but they look like they could win any local scale meet if they had throttle control. 
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: proparc on November 30, 2013, 07:39:20 AM
 
   Keep us posted on progress Milt
   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

My Skyraider design is finished.
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: Steve Helmick on December 01, 2013, 09:51:43 PM
My Skyraider design is finished.

Thanks, Milton. Our club is thrilled that you named your new model after our club.  LL~ Steve
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: Howard Rush on December 01, 2013, 10:29:40 PM
If we had some decals, we could send him a decal.  I could print one up if my printer worked for decals.
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: wwwarbird on December 01, 2013, 11:06:05 PM
My Skyraider design is finished.

 Where do we see the final rendition?
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: proparc on December 02, 2013, 07:28:37 AM
Where do we see the final rendition?

CAD Section-but i'll post the screenshots here again.
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: wwwarbird on December 02, 2013, 07:40:02 PM
 I'd seen those Milt, but I thought you were still going to do more work on the stab elevator outline, not very "Skyraiderish" as it is. Just sayin'. :)
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: proparc on December 02, 2013, 10:00:45 PM
I'd seen those Milt, but I thought you were still going to do more work on the stab elevator outline, not very "Skyraiderish" as it is. Just sayin'. :)

That's it- it's a lock. H^^
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: wwwarbird on December 02, 2013, 10:39:14 PM

 Just checking Milt, it's easy enough for the builder to change if they would want to. When will you be starting yours? ;D
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: proparc on December 03, 2013, 06:55:31 AM
Just checking Milt, it's easy enough for the builder to change if they would want to. When will you be starting yours? ;D

"Something" will come before it then I will bust this baby out.
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: Chris McMillin on December 03, 2013, 08:55:16 AM
Looks good to me, Milt. Dad was in a Skyraider squadron on the Boxer, VF-194. Summer of '53 cruise.
Chris...
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: proparc on December 03, 2013, 11:15:35 AM
Looks good to me, Milt. Dad was in a Skyraider squadron on the Boxer, VF-194. Summer of '53 cruise.
Chris...

Incredible!! Nice to see you over here. I normally catch you over at RC Universe,(The Dark Kingdom).
Title: Re: For Bob Whitely
Post by: Andrew Borgogna on December 03, 2013, 11:56:59 AM
Yep it looks like a "Sandy", I was on a Sandy base in Thailand during the Vietnam war.  There is one problem, if you put a scale finish on it you will get zero appearance points.  In their war colors they didn't shine or look purity.  But they were a hell-of-a plane, just ask any of the downed pilots they saved.
Andy