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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Bill Gruby on August 27, 2010, 09:53:38 AM
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It has taken close to three years on and off to get this Beast to this point. LOL Buit the SDR is finally ready for Primer and Paint. Lite Yellow base with Green Trim. Special graffics by Louis Rankin in Black.
"Billy G" y1
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Bill,
Just don't let anyone tell you you're not crazy. Cause man, that is crazy.
Probably why I like it. ;D
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Bill,
Just don't let anyone tell you you're not crazy. Cause man, that is crazy.
Probably why I like it. ;D
Hi Randy;
Glad you like it. Does this qualify me to join P.I.S.T. LL~ LL~ LL~
"Billy G" VD~
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Just because a guy is three feet tall doesn't mean he's crazy.
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Thank you Howard. Now I feel 10 feet tall. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ Here is a nice pix.
"Billy G" S?P S?P S?P
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Looks like a 4-stroke .049 in a Super Ringmaster. What's going on here?
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Looks like a 4-stroke .049 in a Super Ringmaster. What's going on here?
Nice observation Howard. You surprise me by not saying anything about the "Jug" being on the inboard side. It's actually a Saito 1.82 2 cylinder 4 stroke. Little bit of overkill probably but it seemed like the right thing to do at the time. LL~ LL~ VD~
Wing Span -- 85 inches
Wing Area -- 1635 sq. in.
Weight (now) -- 8 lbs 9 1/4 ozs. Engine alone weighs 44 ozs.
"Billy G" <=
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Well, Einstein said insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and each time expecting a different outcome. So I suppose this isn't insane at all since I'm sure no one has tried this before.
Just don't say before you fly it: "Hey, y'all, watch this!"
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Well, Einstein said insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and each time expecting a different outcome. So I suppose this isn't insane at all since I'm sure no one has tried this before.
Just don't say before you fly it: "Hey, y'all, watch this!"
I wonder what that "Ringmaster Delux" would look like in a 90 inch span with a DA 150 on the nose. HMMMMM food for thought. :X
"Billy G" Z@@ZZZ
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Bill,
You shrunk!!!!
I told you that you were nuts when we did the ribs.
I was right.
You are doing a great job on it and I am anxious to see flying pictures. Have you found anyone big enough to fly it?
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Thanks Tom;
You did those ribs proud my friend. Seems like eons ago whe you did them. By the way Gentlemen, Tom did 4 sets of those ribs for me. Tom I'm up to 245 lbs now think I should pack on a few more? LL~ LL~
Thank you for a job well done. You made building this beast much easier.
"Billy G" H^^
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I saw the graphics a Lou's and can't wait to see it finished. May not need any tip weight but will certainly require some pilot weight!!!
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Bill,
You might need another 100lbs. A diver's weight belt will probably work well.
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When Young Daniel flies his 2X Flite Streak he is frequently tugged to his toes...uses both hands and has a throttle . I have seen him fly a full pattern and pretty much junk for an hour or so....
Ted was fortunate enough to be flying it when the (infrared) throttle signed off....about a 15 minute flight at 3/4 throttle...he doesn't fly it uch any more....
Have fun!
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While my ni-starter charges( ok I forgot) so I can go fly in a little bit just thought I would check the forum and look at some post that I have not had a chance to look at.
Guess to late as everyone has already made every comment about the incredible shrinking Bill.
Hope everyone here realizes that before long Bill will be able to fit in the cockpit and have a very unfair advantage.
Just so much easier to fly when you are inboard the aircraft. HB~>
Bill, don't forget to put tape lines on the canopy so you can align maneuvers to the tee. /DV
For the rest of us lines on our sunglasses will have to do( making my glasses tonight) LL~
Oh- Yea
Bill that's a nice looking Ringmaster. #^
David
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Rich;
I will comment to you the same way I have to others who have said the same thing to me. I have seen the Mega Streak fly in person and on video. Now I have seen Dan go up on his toes like you say. Why if it does all this to you do you still have that grin from ear to ear. Think there might be a small amount of showmanship involved?
I also will have throttle control with a shut off option. The throttle is from U-Tronics and Clancy Arnold. I rigged it to the throttle on the engine with a detent. Go into the detent and the engine shuts down. It has not failed in bench testing.
So Rich Peabody, you will be at Brodaks in 2011, I offer you the handle, what say you?
"Billy G" n1
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Thanks...but I'll pass....
On the handle that is....
I have never missed Brodak's
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Rich;
. . . Why if it does all this to you do you still have that grin from ear to ear. Think there might be a small amount of showmanship involved? . . .
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"Billy G" n1
Part of the "show" is that Dan flies the big Streak at nearly 4 second lap times :o , which adds both to the "show" and real life line tug. Longer lines and reasonable lap times should tame the Ringmaster enough, don't you think?
Larry Fulwider
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Man that is just plane over-the-top!
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Man that is just plane over-the-top!
Thanx Randy, you do know that this one is just a stepping stone don't you? The next one ( already on paper, finished plans) will definately be over the top. LL~ LL~ LL~
OK Rich, but you won't know what you are missing. LL~
"Billy G" VD~
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I have flown a couple of Windy's planes....plenty enough "tug" for me....
George L. Gaydos Jr. built a double size Ringmaster years ago....Windy flew it and allowed as how it needed 100' lines...
My SV is plenty big...
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Great job Bill, definitely another dimension here. So what the heck do you plan to use for lines?
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George L. Gaydos Jr. built a double size Ringmaster years ago....Windy flew it and allowed as how it needed 100' lines...
Peabody, do you remember George's Bomber, how big was that . Wasn't it scaled to use GI Joe's as the crew. I thought he was going to use a harness to fly it.
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Hi Peter....
No, I don't remember a bomber....I do remember his DC 6(7?) with no throttles that he flew from our grass...
George has been dead 16 years!
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Rich;
Is the 2X S1 Ringmaster still around?
"Billy G" ???
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All I can say is.........Man that is COOL... I'd love to see it in the air. It also says my dreams of a 75+" stunt Lancaster bomber are well within reason. LL~ LL~ LL~ Heck I weight 265 so I should be good for it LL~ LL~ LL~
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Hi Bill....
We took the 2X Ring for a flight at the Scale contest after George died....I believe that his wife Diane took it home and hung it with the rest of George's stuff....but, as mentioned, that was 16 years ago....
Efforts to reach her were not productive, but I suppose that I should try again......George was a world class Scale builder and a sparkplug in the GSCB....
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Hi Bill....
We took the 2X Ring for a flight at the Scale contest after George died....I believe that his wife Diane took it home and hung it with the rest of George's stuff....but, as mentioned, that was 16 years ago....
Efforts to reach her were not productive, but I suppose that I should try again......George was a world class Scale builder and a sparkplug in the GSCB....
Rich;
I would appreciate it if you tried to contact her again. If it is still there we would like to know if it is for sale. Thanx.
"Billy G" D>K
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Bill
I'll take you up on the Handle offer!
You must first promise to pick me up from the next county when the fuel runs out! LL~
I do have a BIG OLD anvil that can be chained to my belt.
Let us know when you test fly it so we can all watch the sky and pick you up were ever you may land.
This reminds me of the 8ft with four .29s B-29 Enola Gay that we flew for the US Bicentennial 4th of July event us locals held.
The only day we ever flew it.
After getting all 4 running then run out to the center and I grab Bobby by the belt loop for the first test flight.
This turned out to be unnecessary, barely.
Bobby could lean back at what seemed 45deg and firmly plant his feet every step and was ok.
This was on 70ft .018s. Bobby had about 50lbs over me.
Years later Bobby's Dad was hauling the B-29 out to the trash and I told him I would take it home and hang it in the shop. Might resto it one day if someone will fly it. I'll watch
Hang on tight Bill! LL~
David
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Hey G-Man!!!!
Getter-Dunn!!!!
That is one B.A.R.M. !!!! BW@
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I kow I am going to have o make Brodaks 2011 just to see the Stupendous Ringmaster fly. H^^
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I kow I am going to have o make Brodaks 2011 just to see the Stupendous Ringmaster fly. H^^
We are planning to have it there Doc. It's only a 9 hour trip for me.
"Billy G" VD~
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Billy G,
It looks awesome! Get a good paint job on her, she deserves it.
I pray your daughter is doing fine, and she recovers fully.
Billy Boy
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Approximately 8 hours to Indanapolis. Will have to pull up map to see how much further to Carmichals. H^^
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Peabody, do you remember George's Bomber, how big was that . Wasn't it scaled to use GI Joe's as the crew. I thought he was going to use a harness to fly it.
To use a scientifically correct term, it was ginormous!
I remember seeing parts of George Gaydos' B-17 under construction as a kid, it was going to use GI Joes for the crew members. He sold what he built to a R/C flyer before he passed away, I think he said he realized he'd never actually finish it.
His P-38 Yippee that won C/L Scale at the Nats was amazing too. One of the guns actually fired!
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Okay William getter-dun. H^^
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Okay William getter-dun. H^^
Primer tomorrow John, Hope to have it all AgCat Yellow by the end of the weekend. With the Grand Kids here that schedule may change. LL~ Last shot before primer. This will be a Dope finish, all Brodak.
"Billy G" #^
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That is still impressive. Now is your banker floating you a loan for the Brodak Dope? I guess our illustrious enviromentalists is the reason dope is so expensive any more. Looked at a bottle of SIG 4 ounce and remembered when you get a quart for less money. H^^
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That is still impressive. Now is your banker floating you a loan for the Brodak Dope? I guess our illustrious enviromentalists is the reason dope is so expensive any more. Looked at a bottle of SIG 4 ounce and remembered when you get a quart for less money. H^^
14.99/16 ozs for Brodak Color. Same for the white primer. Got 2 yellow 1 green and 2 primer. Dupont 3608S Tinner 18.95/gallon on sale. Lets just say Mama was a little less than enthusiastic. LL~ I still have 1/2 gal of clear on hand. I have paid less than that to get the kit and everything required to get it airborne Doc. HB~> Over a hundred bucs to paint a plane, go figure. mw~
"Billy G" :'(
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.............Looked at a bottle of SIG 4 ounce and remembered when you get a quart for less money. H^^
REally!! Rattle-can Rustoleum is a better buy! LL~
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I guess our illustrious enviromentalists is the reason dope is so expensive any more.
You can get a quart of Randolph color from Aircraft Spruce for $10.55, but if somebody can get away with gouging you by blaming environmentalists, he's gonna do it.
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Thank you for the info Howard. Brodak Dope is Randolf so they should be compatable. Time to check them out.
"Billy G" y1
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Bill,
Checkout aircraft supply places near you. Most are near an airport. Many carry Randolph products. That is how we get it here in the Dallas area. The Randolph dope is totally compatible with Brodak. Brodak crystal clear is special made for Brodak and probably is not available at a Randolph dealer. Talk to the dealer about available colors and special color orders. Military spec colors can be made.
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I agree, I'm going to try Randoph's from Aircraft Spruce like Howard says. The Home built aircraft community loves those guys, I know I have a free catalog from a guy I sit next to at work that's building an RV 7 or something (can't keep the names straight), he says he and all the others he knows gets everything from Aircraft Spruce. You can try the local places, but beware the mark up! make sure it isn't more than what you will spend in shipping from the spruce monsters!!
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Some assembly required. LL~ LL~ LL~
"Billy G" D>K
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Wheres the Paint? LL~
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Wheres the Paint? LL~
Another glitch -- My Daughter ans Grandkids are her for a while. Family first. ;D
"Billy G"
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I should qualify my previous snotty comment. It could be that Brodak dope is better than Randolph for our purposes, and that could be because Brodak dope has more expensive stuff in it. Both companies would be subject to the same EPA rules, so I reckon there is some free-market reason why Brodak costs more than Randolph.
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Howard;
I was under the impression that Brodak Dope was made by Randolph. They are one and the same . Am I wrong?
"Billy G"
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I don't know. I think Windy had some input to customize Randolph for model use.
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Howard;
I have a 4 oz bottle of red in front of me and it statesSpecially Formulated for Brodak by Randolf Products Co. Made in USA. I am not sure of anything now. My Brodak retarder says the same thing. Maybe Randolph makes it to Brodak Specs. I know the Crystal Clear is just that. Crystal Clear. It makes SGM Silkspan on Balsa disappear.
I placed the order to Brodak any way this time because I am comfortable using it. My plan is to spray the finish this time. I have never sprayed one before, not even with a rattle can. I am a little reluctant to say the least.
"G-Man" ???
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HI all,
Brodak dope is made by Randolph. it does have a slight difference in its composition but I am not sure what.
There are only three companies in the USA (maybe the world) that still make "aircraft dope", AFAIK. So even though there are a few different "labels", they are all made by just a few actual manufacturing companies. Randolph is the largest, IIRC.
Most any dope is compatible (along with automotive acrylic lacquers if you can still get them) with each other these days for "our use". The horror stories that we hear are often times the result of the person applying, not the products. Funny that using the same thinner through out seems to make things work. And it doesn't *HAVE* to be the dope maker's thinner!
Big Bear
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Wheres the Paint? LL~
It's right here Paul, but with 90% humidity from "Earl" it stays in the can. LL~ LL~ LL~
"Billy G" VD~
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Howard is right...the early Brodak dopes were not the standard Randolph offerings, but rather blended to suit modeling best....colors were the same though.
As I understand, Randolph was sold to a west coast manufacturer...they revamped the distribution method and created several "master blenders" that receive pigment, carrier and additives in bulk (55 gallon drums) and these people mix the stuff according to formula....Brodak is doing this now.....and has been for several years...
The Brodak line has always had a higher percentage of pigment...
Have fun!
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So you are saying John Brodak buys the ingrediants from Randolph and mixes it on site?
Started Paul. VD~
"Billy G" n~
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Yup
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Thanx Rich;
Any word on the 2X S1?
Primer done, bad spots filled again. On to color after spot primer on these spots. Sparky I gotta thank you for all the tips you have given on this Forum about finishing. This is undoubtedly the best I have ever done. That goes for the rest of you guys to.
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Is it me, or does this plane get bigger every time I look at it? :o
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Is it me, or does this plane get bigger every time I look at it? :o
HI Wayne,
Billy G just sets it in a bucket of fertilizer (laced with steroids) every night. It just grows and grows............ LL~ LL~
(It is *G*igantic! )
Mongo
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Nope, (cough) it's that (gasp) clean (choke) Conne (Gasp) cticut eyewatering air. (cough, gasp) LL~ LL~ LL~
"Billy G" VD~
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I love it when a plan comes together!
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It has taken close to three years on and off to get this Beast to this point. LOL Buit the SDR is finally ready for Primer and Paint. Lite Yellow base with Green Trim. Special graffics by Louis Rankin in Black.
"Billy G" y1
Man it's about time you finished this or I probably would have never seen it. I think I was 75 when you started it but am now 78. Lookin good Billy! HB~> HB~> HB~> H^^
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Hey-hey-hey Leo ole pal, where you been? Glad you like it. Primer goes on the wing tomorrow and it's ready for color. Won't be long now. Glad to see you still hanging around. Ain't heard a peep from Shultzie either.
"Billy G" %^@
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Hey-hey-hey Leo ole pal, where you been? Glad you like it. Primer goes on the wing tomorrow and it's ready for color. Won't be long now. Glad to see you still hanging around. Ain't heard a peep from Shultzie either.
"Billy G" %^@
I really enjoy LURKING LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ Z@@ZZZ
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I really enjoy LURKING LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ Z@@ZZZ
Keep lurking Leo, it becomes you. LL~ LL~ LL~ Now I had to build a paint stand to hold those rather large parts. I start shooting color tomorrow I hope. This paint stand cost me three days of scrounging and $4.06. Rotates 360 in Horizontal or Vertical Positions.
"Billy G" S?P
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Primer done color tomorrow. This has been a tough haul. I never used a spray gun before so don't be too hard on me. LL~ LL~
"Billy G" H^^
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I like it!!!! #^
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Looking good. Remember practice makes perfect. H^^
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Looking good. Remember practice makes perfect. H^^
Yup. It's only taken me three three decades of squirting paint to get it right.
(of course, I did take a few breaks).
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It's been 22 or so days and 14 straight rain days but the base coat is done. It took sonme time also to get over the intimidation of the spray gun but we overcame it. Parts hangin gassing off. Trim Saturday.
"Billy G"
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Keep on it G-man, its looking good.
painting is just like any other endevour, the first time you ahve all the unknowns,, then you gradually have to deal with them, and figure stuff out. eventually you only get mildly nervous before you spray!
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Thank you Mark. You know without your help and guidance I don't think the results would be the same. I owe you big time.
"Billy G BW@"
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I should qualify my previous snotty comment. It could be that Brodak dope is better than Randolph for our purposes, and that could be because Brodak dope has more expensive stuff in it. Both companies would be subject to the same EPA rules, so I reckon there is some free-market reason why Brodak costs more than
It could just be that Brodak is smaller volume than Randolph. Randolph's is gonna want to charge Brodak for the special mixing, handling and labeling, and Brodak is going to have to pass that on to somebody -- and that somebody is us, of course.
Were Brodak to have some serious competition then you'd either see them go out of business or their prices go down. But given that Sig seems to be OK material, and that a lot of serious folk know (or firmly believe) that Brodak dope is just custom colored Randolph dope in Brodak packaging, Brodak already has some obvious competition.
I think if I ever do another doped finish I'm going to check the two big general aviation airports close by, and see if there's an FBO there that sells Randolph dope. I'll give it a whirl and see if it works OK.
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Tim,
FWIW, they Puyallup contest in the early summer is at the airport, and there is Spensers , the front door of their business opens right into the edge of where we pit our airplanes..
I buy my clear AND THINNER from Aircraft spruce, mail order,, but then all my color and topcoats are automotive base clear systems...
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Billy G; That thing looks huge, but where's the seat? LL~ LL~ Very nice work, and looks like you are learning how to use that spray gun. Keep us informed with pictures.
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Looks great and big hey Bill are there any plans available if so how much?
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Lookin' good Bill. Can't wait to see it done, and the flight video! S?P ;D
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I wish I could be there the first time you start that thing.
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The paint gun can be extremely intimidating. If there is one thing I will remember it is the one word Mark hammered into my head -- PATIENCE. Thiank you all for your kind words. It will be finished soon. It's raining again today so with a dry out day tomorrow looks like trim on sunday. I have changed the color for the trim. Brite Green would not do at all. I wend to a more conservative Grumman Green. It should get here today. Thanx go to Randy Powell also. If it wasn't for hos Ringmaster Delux paint job I don't think I would have tried this hard. Allen Perret also was a help even though he was not aware of it. Then there is the entire Brotherhood Of The Ring. It goes without saying how much all of them helped. Hey Lurker Leo, where are you. VD~
"Billy G" Z@@ZZZ
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Don't wake him up yet. I hear he gets grumpier than me/I when the nap is not complete. LL~ LL~ LL~
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Don't wake him up yet. I hear he gets grumpier than me/I when the nap is not complete. LL~ LL~ LL~
Thanks for the heads up "Doc". I forgot he is probably hibernating by now. LL~ LL~ LL~
"Billy G" D>K
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Bill,
<snip> Brodak crystal clear is special made for Brodak and probably is not available at a Randolph dealer. <snip>
While this is a bit late (like a month and a half) I just saw this thread - I have used Randolph butyrate dope products extensively over the past twenty-plus years or so and can state unequivocally that Randolph butyrate clear has no tint & is completely clear. If the clear does appear to have an amber tint then it is most likely old and has been opened at some point. The amber begins to appear as a result of the dope becoming more acidic over time. Randolph products are high-quality stuff and are eminently suited for not only use on full-scale aircraft but also for our models. Sig dopes are the most fuel-resistant butyrates I have used with Randolph a close second. No butyrate dopes are fuel-proof.
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A couple of real good days finally. Wet sanded to 800 grit and ready for trim.
"Billy G" y1
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This is AWSOME! y1
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A couple of real good days finally. Wet sanded to 800 grit and ready for trim.
I'm just awaiting the youtube video of you flying that monster. I hope you're getting your right triceps worked out real good for the "day".
"Honey, I know you wanted me to get into politics, but I definitely got 'pull' now!"
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When they said taping was the long part, they weren't kidding. HB~> Top and bottom of the wing, will shoot tomorrow.
"Billy G"
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Bill, how many hours masking?, ,and it will take like 15 minutes to spray,, gotta love masking!
I like your scheme and layout,,
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Someone knowledgeable probably could have done it faster but it took me over 17 hours. It was fun. LL~ LL~ LL~
"Billy G" VD~
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The paint gun can be extremely intimidating. If there is one thing I will remember it is the one word Mark hammered into my head -- PATIENCE. Thiank you all for your kind words. It will be finished soon. It's raining again today so with a dry out day tomorrow looks like trim on sunday. I have changed the color for the trim. Brite Green would not do at all. I wend to a more conservative Grumman Green. It should get here today. Thanx go to Randy Powell also. If it wasn't for hos Ringmaster Delux paint job I don't think I would have tried this hard. Allen Perret also was a help even though he was not aware of it. Then there is the entire Brotherhood Of The Ring. It goes without saying how much all of them helped. Hey Lurker Leo, where are you. VD~
"Billy G" Z@@ZZZ
Hey Gruby, wake up..
You are right. I was not aware that I helped. So how did I do that..
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Lookig at your work made me push harder Allen, especially after the tape failure. I watched you do in one day what would have taken me a week. You were an inspiration.
"Billy G" y1
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Lookig at your work made me push harder Allen, especially after the tape failure. I watched you do in one day what would have taken me a week. You were an inspiration.
"Billy G" y1
"especially after the tape failure"
Just read this complete thread and didnt see anything about tape failure.
What was that about ?
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Allen;
I had the whole bottom of the wing masked in two inch squares with 3M Blue Painters Tape. The one for delicate work on the orange roll/ It seem 3M changed something acording to their rep and every one of the squares lifted at least 1/3 off the wing and would not stay down. I changed to 3M 233+ Automotive Tape and replaced them all. That's why it took 17 hours. Mark told me about the 3M 233+ tape. Much better and more user friendly.I could have easily givin up on this paint job right then but that's not my way. We will get there.
"Billy G" HB~> HB~> HB~>
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WOW!!! That is going to look too Kewl.
Go Billy Go !!! CLP**
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Allen;
I had the whole bottom of the wing masked in two inch squares with 3M Blue Painters Tape. The one for delicate work on the orange roll/ It seem 3M changed something acording to their rep and every one of the squares lifted at least 1/3 off the wing and would not stay down. I changed to 3M 233+ Automotive Tape and replaced them all. That's why it took 17 hours. Mark told me about the 3M 233+ tape. Much better and more user friendly.I could have easily givin up on this paint job right then but that's not my way. We will get there.
"Billy G" HB~> HB~> HB~>
When did the masking squares lift, when you sprayed the color coat, or before that.
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I taped the squares and they lifted overnight. It was the fault of the tape nothing else. I have gone over the problem at length with Mark. See BOR discussion on Masking Tape. It's fixed now so we are OK. The temps were too low today to shoot outdoors. Never got over 39 degrees. Tomorrow will be 50 degrees.
"Billy G" #^
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I taped the squares and they lifted overnight. It was the fault of the tape nothing else. I have gone over the problem at length with Mark. See BOR discussion on Masking Tape. It's fixed now so we are OK. The temps were too low today to shoot outdoors. Never got over 39 degrees. Tomorrow will be 50 degrees.
"Billy G" #^
OK, and good luck. The next big hurdle is after you shoot trim color and then start pulling tape. Go slow at first, if you see any tendency for tape to pull up any paint, it can help to heat it with hair dryer.
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Bill,
When using dope, it is a good idea to take a small brush and put some clear dope over the tape edge. It is very much worth the effort. When removing the tape, don't lift the tape up, rather pull the tape slowly back on itself. This helps to prevent pulling up the color that is under the tape.
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Everyone has their own way of doing this stuff but I never let tape set overnight. I figure the less time it spends on the model the better. I always take it off while the paint is still tacky, very carefully. ;D
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Sig dopes are the most fuel-resistant butyrates I have used with Randolph a close second. No butyrate dopes are fuel-proof.
The Nitro attackes even Urathane's, there is only a few paints that are fule proof.
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Robert;
Your comment interests me. Now that I have used the Brodak Dope exclusively on this project is there something else I can use to clear coat it other than dope?
"Billy G"
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Let the dope gas out for a couple of weeks and use two part PPG Clear for automobiles. Have a good mask if spraying it. H^^
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I have to stay busy. HB~> We are here.
"Billy G"
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What's the rectangular panel on the nose gonna be for?
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That's gonna be a BIG Surprise. Stay tuned. LL~ LL~ LL~
"Billy G" VD~
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This is the only part of the original graphics that will be userd Wayne. As you can see one is missing. LL~ Yes they are Flight Streaks. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
"Billy G" S?P VD~ S?P
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HA! ;D
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You gotta keep the fun part in this hobby Wayne. Clowning around is all part of it.
"Billy G" VD~ VD~ VD~
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This is the only part of the original graphics that will be userd Wayne. As you can see one is missing. LL~ Yes they are Flight Streaks. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
"Billy G" S?P VD~ S?P
That's just wrong! n1
What do you and Zuriel have against Flite Streaks?
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Say these words: ARF Ringmaster???
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That's just wrong! n1
What do you and Zuriel have against Flite Streaks?
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Paul;
I have nothing what-so-ever against Flight Streaks. nada. The poking fun back and forth between the two factions has been around for as long as both models have been around. That's part of the history of modelling. You wouldn't want a small piece of history to die off would you? VD~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ S?P
"Billy G" S?P VD~ VD~ VD~ S?P
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You gotta keep the fun part in this hobby Wayne. Clowning around is all part of it.
"Billy G" VD~ VD~ VD~
Yep, you're doin' it right Bill! y1
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Not even finished and he putting kill marks on it. VD~ I have had Ringmasters and Flite Streaks, but none as good as these planes. Won my first trophy flying a Ringmaster in a special club meet. Had a Flite Streak for combat and it never saw a match. D>K
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Hey Bill, what's the latest on "Ringzilla"?
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The kill marks on the side are cute and all, but lets get real. There hasn't ever been a Ringmaster built that will out turn a 'Streak. To argue that point would just be an exercise in belligerence. S?P
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The kill marks on the side are cute and all, but lets get real. There hasn't ever been a Ringmaster built that will out turn a 'Streak. To argue that point would just be an exercise in belligerence. S?P
by the scale of the kills, he could be referencing the 1/2A streaks S?P **)
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The kill marks on the side are cute and all, but lets get real. There hasn't ever been a Ringmaster built that will out turn a 'Streak. To argue that point would just be an exercise in belligerence. S?P
No one IS arguing that point. They have a specific reason for being there. It's all part of the game between two people. It started at Brodaks in 2007 and will end this year. No more no less. Also you might want to restate the comment to rear "S1 Ringmaster ever been built." I can show you a few Ringmasters being built that will turn.
Call them anything you like Walt, they will have the desired effect. VD~ VD~
Pix will follow soon of it finished, life got in the way again and I just couldn't get back to it and do it any justice. Also waiting for masks. No rush buddy just lettin them know where it is at right now. Also there is the wing being done for Jetbill it is half balsa with the center section and spar fron 7075 T3. Gotta get that to him so the other thing can be built. I'm workin on them all slow but sure. HB~>
Yes Ty I'm still suck in the Ringmaster Rut. LL~ LL~ LL~
"Billy G"
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hi G-Man,
I am always impressed by the projects and workmanship you exhibit in your endeavors. Taking on some of these builds are just beyond my means!
Keep on keepin' on!
Big Bear
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This a great post. Dope problems (on going) ringmaster versus flitestreak Plus the size of the giant ringmaster. I look forward to seeing the giants at Brodaks this coming year. About the RM/FS thing.
I think we all know that the FS ended the era of the RM. But the RM remains as the best known and most realistic model of the two. The FS came along and Rm's where now out of the combat picture gut they remained good sport planes for more years than I know. Now strictly for the good memories we all have or want too have a RM. Don't see any FS organizations around.
Dope finishing has become a real nightmare. It was not such a problem in the day. I have found that over thinning dope is a real source of trouble. Fast drying is bad news. Also found that retarder doesn't help that much. I believe the newer refinements in the products has made dope a big problem. I wish Aero Gloss (old formula) was still produced.
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HI Chuck,
I think the EPA regulations (this ain't "political" LOL!!) as to VOC content and such have really messed with the "lacquer type" paints over the years. We can't even buy acrylic lacquer in bulk in NC anymore.
The changes in formulations (I don't know exactly what or when in dope products) has affected the products, though, that part I know. It does seem more critical now as to thinning ratios, and other factors which cause drying times to be affected. The only good thing (at least in my case) has been using the 3608S thinner all along. It does give me a constant in these processes. I know many will say it (using 3608S) isn't a good idea, but then others swear by it. Windy always made some very pretty planes using it. S?P
Fortunately, things haven't gone so bad as for me to stop using my procedure as to finishing my "good" planes.
Looking forward to King Orange, maybe we will see each other there.
Big Bear
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No one IS arguing that point. They have a specific reason for being there. It's all part of the game between two people. It started at Brodaks in 2007 and will end this year. No more no less. Also you might want to restate the comment to rear "S1 Ringmaster ever been built." I can show you a few Ringmasters being built that will turn.
"Billy G"
Darn it, Bill! You're not supposed to be agreeable and polite with me. You were supposed to get all huffy and defensive. Apparently my post didn't have the desired effect. I'll work on it. ;D
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Clint my good man, it would seem that mine DID have the desired effect. Keep workin on it though. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
"Billy G" VD~
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My Flight Streak can beat up your Ringmaster!!
Ok Bill not yours!! :!
Your Ringmaster Bad Ass!
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As the Harley Man said to the kid on the Honda when asked if he wanted to race, "Sure Kid, same bikes 20 years from now."
"Billy G" S?P S?P S?P
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H^^Hello Bill, I am looking forward to the KOI and seeing you there. I am hoping that old man winter gets it out of his system and we get the nice warm weather we deserve for the KOI.
Now about them Flite Streaks. They have short little noses, fat wings, and long small tails. They are fast to. They are not very tough.
Now about them Ringmasters. They have a longer nose, thinner wings, a very short tail. They can go fast if you want them to. They are tough.
They are both part of our Heritage. I think a good comparison for the two is the B-17 and the B-24.
The argument will never end and neither will this one. Oh, I am a Ringmaster man.
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V-e-r-r-r-r------r-y I-n-n-n-teresting...
I'd go for "Streakmaster". Really - 'sounds like fun!
'been thinking about building a new fuselage, and maybe tail, for my P-Force, rather than gluing the fuselage back together. 'tis the season!
SK
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In all the argumens of the Ringmaster vs the Flite Streak, I have decided to come up with a compromise. I am installing a Flite Streak wing in a Ringmaster fuselage. I think I will call it the Ring Streak or Streak Master. Whaddayathink??? LL~
I think you are in need of serious help. I can give you the number of my shrink. She is available on Wednesdays for phone calls. It's a toll free number. She would really like you Ty. LL~ LL~ LL~
"Billy G" VD~
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I think you are in need of serious help. I can give you the number of my shrink. She is available on Wednesdays for phone calls. It's a toll free number. She would really like you Ty. LL~ LL~ LL~
"Billy G" VD~
You think Ty has PTSD like us? :##
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Flight Masterly disturbing indeed 010!
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Ringmasters and Flite Streak either one flies as well as the pilot. Years ago during a demo at Washburn Football Field I was challenged to a combat match. They wouldn't fly against my Orbit Ace with a Fox Combat Special on it. So I flew my new Ringmaster, the second version with sheeted leading edge. First time I had ever used a clunk tank. The old Fox 35 Stunt would run kind of rich until you forced it thru a loop. Then it would lean out. I think I went five or six matches with no losses. They were even covering their wings with news paper to challange me again. Maybe Jim Lee will remember that day. H^^
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H^^Hello Bill, I am looking forward to the KOI and seeing you there. I am hoping that old man winter gets it out of his system and we get the nice warm weather we deserve for the KOI. (snip)
HI Chuck,
I don't want to hi jack the thread, but I hope you will see this here. My wife is having back surgery on Jan. 11. Just found it out Wednesday. That rules out KOI this year. My son, Aaron, might possibly still come down. Y'all have fun!
Bill
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Billy G? Hello? Bill? D>K S?P