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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: JoeJust on June 04, 2019, 04:48:10 PM
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Years ago I had a source of cheap FAI fuel. It ran great in my ST and OS engines. Is this fuel still available?
Joe
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Years ago I had a source of cheap FAI fuel. It ran great in my ST and OS engines. Is this fuel still available?
Joe
I would like to know about that myself...........anybody out there have info on this product? D>K H^^
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Is FAI fuel available??????? C'mon guys, it's just a mix of Methanol and Castor Oil. You can put it together yourself if need be.
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Last year I bought some Sig FAI fuel from Tom Dixon, I think they still make it. Ritch's Brew lists FAI fuel on their website with castor, synthetic or a blend. As Mike said, it's pretty easy to make if you have a reasonable source for methanol.
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You can buy Torco methanol off of eBay for about $23/gal. Ad some Klotz Super Techniplate and you’re good to go.
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https://vpracingfuels.com/product/m1/ (https://vpracingfuels.com/product/m1/)
Looks like 5 gallons are $39 from VP Racing. The problem is shipping it, and the VP Racing website does not give estimates, even if you place an order.
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You can buy Torco methanol off of eBay for about $23/gal. Ad some Klotz Super Techniplate and you’re good to go.
Your local speed shop will have it for $6 a gallon or less.
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Just to S?P .....
What "FAI" fuel do you want?
F2A: 80% methanol, 20% castor oil
F2B: anything you want to run!!!!
F2C: Diesels, anything the competitor wants to pour in the can.
F2D: 5% nitro, 15% oil any kind. 80% methanol. (I think that's right, the rules just changed.)
And I don't have a clue as to the F1 or F3 events!
Which suits your needs? #^
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Just to S?P .....
What "FAI" fuel do you want?
The label on SIG or others 80/20 fuel says "FAI" on it, so that's what people know it by. I am sure you know the history so I won't belabor it.
Brett
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The old rule book stated " 3 ; 1 , or 4: 1 " I think . intresting not to but or , if I recall right .
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F1c, FAI free flight gas, is 80-20, any oil. Most prefer all synthetic. FHS Red Max is another source.
BTW, the FAI FF World Champs will be here in October, 2019. Lost Hills, CA.
Norm
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The label on SIG or others 80/20 fuel says "FAI" on it, so that's what people know it by. I am sure you know the history so I won't belabor it.
Brett
Misconception is rampant! #^
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The old rule book stated " 3 ; 1 , or 4: 1 " I think . intresting not to but or , if I recall right .
Not sure what "rule book" you mean. Elucidate?
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N.Z.M.A.A. rule book from 73/74 covered FAI classes , F.F. power & C/L speed , etc . Also Aeromodeller mag. from 50s & 60s carried info / debate on rule updates etc .
Speed mustve been no nitro by 1970 , or somewhat earlier . Also F A I pylon was no nitro .
Most Newzealand rules were comparable or the same as the English ones , , 1/2A ( 1.5cc ) A ( 2.5 c.c ). & B ( 5 c.c. Team Race , and Combat was 3.5 c.c. on 52'3 - 52'6 lines .
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Misconception is rampant! #^
What misconception is that?
Brett
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N.Z.M.A.A. rule book from 73/74 covered FAI classes , F.F. power & C/L speed , etc . Also Aeromodeller mag. from 50s & 60s carried info / debate on rule updates etc .
Speed mustve been no nitro by 1970 , or somewhat earlier . Also F A I pylon was no nitro .
Most Newzealand rules were comparable or the same as the English ones , , 1/2A ( 1.5cc ) A ( 2.5 c.c ). & B ( 5 c.c. Team Race , and Combat was 3.5 c.c. on 52'3 - 52'6 lines .
Hello
In New Zealand we only use organic caster oil and bio-ethanol and everything is carbon neutral too, as we plant trees around the circle ;D
The local C/L rules no longer mirror the UK or anybody else for that matter as we strive to be different to the rest of the world
Sort of just kidding but you wonder with our lot.
Always thought of FAI fuel as 80/20 but everything changes and people will be asking were their electrons were sourced from soon (was it wind, solar, hydro or dirty diesel VD~ !)
Regards from Gerald in PC.. n~.. NZ
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Your local speed shop will have it for $6 a gallon or less.
There is no such thing as a local speed shop for me :'(
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Had OS & Super Tigre in the 70s , and no nitro . Just a bit crankier to start , in winter . One OS 20 would pul a 38 Oz Me 262 Through wingovers on 70 ft of .012 .
And the G-15 ( Mod. ) would pull the ton in the slippery combat model.
for 18 months .
When we tried 10 % & on 60s it'd slipsteam itsef in still air . Like a dog chasing its tail . 24.000 in top . Before the piece of the rod between the oilholes decided otherwise .
Having been into the dirt multitudeinously , 20.000 to ZERO in an instant . you couldnt entirely blame it . Wonder at its future potential though . Gotta few to find out .
ONE THING , = > FITS .
Old iron dungers , nitro requires looser fits . One Ex F/F power G-15 baulks on 10 % . a Ex Joey G-15 baulks on no nitro . fine on 10% . Had to run 5% as a compromise
in ' the New ' 71 Oz ( How did that happen ) Me 262 . Which flys fine , and accurate , on 70 ft of .018 . Though not usually fitted with the G-15s . GP 25s being the usual.
THUS , ' Running In ' was usually a hour on 3 : 1 , before , if you were a nitro man , starting to add nitro .
Hence the BAKE the P/L and LAP , for nitro speed injuns , as per Aldrich .
Where us peasants could just cut a few bits off , and spend our time running them in , with satisfactory results .
The Moral of This Story is olde Nitro Burners may be a bit loose to run well on straight methanol satisfactorally .
Tho theres plenty of N.i.B. Super Tigres and OSes about , which should be highly ameniable to it. Tho wont swing quite as much prop. perhaps .
Further , was said ENYA C.R. was NITRO & it was necesary , The Head would usually be closer , for optimum results , no Nitro . at least in comparison to nitro .
H^^ Adios .
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There is no such thing as a local speed shop for me :'(
Perhaps Mike has been misunderstood. By "speed shop", he meant sprint car, drag racing or maybe go-kart shop. Not that there are any of those in every little town, but then we aren't informed where John is located (one of my pet peeves). It doesn't hurt a thing to list your city/state here. The good side is that you might have a new flying buddy just down the road or across town. y1 Steve
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you can also get Methanol at snowmobile shops, go-karts have alky classes and have it (and castor)as do motorcycle shops. A local gas station near a car racing track has it in a fuel pump ( for off road use)
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They use the Motul oil ( syn ) in those Yatsenko's . From places as above . Or the engine stumbles .
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We used to call it 80/20 drug store fuel. You could buy the components at the corner pharmacy. It was sort of an emergency fuel used when our local hobby shop was out. It worked OK but lacked the nitro punch.
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"Not that there are any of those in every little town, but then we aren't informed where John is located (one of my pet peeves). It doesn't hurt a thing to list your city/state here. The good side is that you might have a new flying buddy just down the road or across town."