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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: skyshark58 on May 16, 2016, 07:15:46 PM

Title: FAA $5 refund
Post by: skyshark58 on May 16, 2016, 07:15:46 PM: Has anyone gotten their $5 back from the FAA from registration of their "drone"?
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: JoeJust on May 16, 2016, 07:43:36 PM: Yes, just a week after I got my #
Joe
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Steve Scott on May 16, 2016, 07:49:41 PM: Same here. Got a refund three business days later.
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: wwwarbird on May 16, 2016, 08:11:44 PM: Huh? What's the deal with the refund?
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Steve Helmick on May 16, 2016, 09:13:42 PM: PITUS (sic) needs your $5, Mike. Yes, it will go toward importing more terrorists.

By the way, I was at Dick Salter's Memorial Service today, yakking with Dave Gardner and one of Dick's R/C buddies, who happens to fly.... Quadrotors. This guy related a story about how a police officer he knows was called to a home where there was a Quadrotor (Drone) incident. He arrived at the home to find a Quadrotor DOA in the front yard. Inspecting said Quadrotor, they discovered that there was an FAA registration number, so he went back to HQ and called the FAA. After spending many hours on the phone, and being transferred through 15 different officials, the last one finally admitted that they weren't setup to find the owner from knowing the registration number. So, the registration number is currently useless. Please repeat after me: WTF!!! R%%%% Steve
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Dan McEntee on May 16, 2016, 09:23:14 PM: Why, that sounds like something run by......................THE US GOVERNMENT! Kinda like Obamacare isn't it!!
I, too shall join you in a chorus of .........WTF!!!???

LET"S GO BLUES!!!!!!
Dan McEntee
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Jim Oliver on May 17, 2016, 07:16:31 AM: Quote from: Steve Helmick on May 16, 2016, 09:13:42 PM
PITUS (sic) needs your $5, Mike. Yes, it will go toward importing more terrorists.

By the way, I was at Dick Salter's Memorial Service today, yakking with Dave Gardner and one of Dick's R/C buddies, who happens to fly.... Quadrotors. This guy related a story about how a police officer he knows was called to a home where there was a Quadrotor (Drone) incident. He arrived at the home to find a Quadrotor DOA in the front yard. Inspecting said Quadrotor, they discovered that there was an FAA registration number, so he went back to HQ and called the FAA. After spending many hours on the phone, and being transferred through 15 different officials, the last one finally admitted that they weren't setup to find the owner from knowing the registration number. So, the registration number is currently useless. Please repeat after me: WTF!!! R%%%% Steve

Excuse me while I pretend to be surprised ..........

Jim
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: RC Storick on May 17, 2016, 08:49:39 AM: Quote from: Steve Helmick on May 16, 2016, 09:13:42 PM
PITUS (sic) needs your $5, Mike. Yes, it will go toward importing more terrorists.

By the way, I was at Dick Salter's Memorial Service today, yakking with Dave Gardner and one of Dick's R/C buddies, who happens to fly.... Quadrotors. This guy related a story about how a police officer he knows was called to a home where there was a Quadrotor (Drone) incident. He arrived at the home to find a Quadrotor DOA in the front yard. Inspecting said Quadrotor, they discovered that there was an FAA registration number, so he went back to HQ and called the FAA. After spending many hours on the phone, and being transferred through 15 different officials, the last one finally admitted that they weren't setup to find the owner from knowing the registration number. So, the registration number is currently useless. Please repeat after me: WTF!!! R%%%% Steve

(http://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/faa-$5-refund/?action=dlattach;attach=251307;image)

1961 we put a man in outerspace, 2016 we put a man in the ladies room

That's a WTF Moment
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Jeff Traxler on May 17, 2016, 08:59:25 AM: Politics again............on a model airplane forum............THAT'S A WTF MOMENT!!!!!
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Gerald Arana on May 17, 2016, 09:03:23 AM: Quote from: RC Storick on May 17, 2016, 08:49:39 AM
(http://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/faa-$5-refund/?action=dlattach;attach=251307;image)

1961 we put a man in outerspace, 2016 we put a man in the ladies room

That's a WTF Moment

Good one Sparky! LMAO!

WTF, WTF, WTF, WTF................................................................

Jerry
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: RC Storick on May 17, 2016, 09:23:16 AM: Quote from: Jeff Traxler on May 17, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Politics again............on a model airplane forum............THAT'S A WTF MOMENT!!!!!

Just the facts just the facts.
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Avaiojet on May 17, 2016, 12:20:19 PM: Maybe I should buy a drone, I could use 5 bucks.
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Rich Perry on May 17, 2016, 12:23:38 PM: Our model airplanes have been dragged into politics. Not the other way around. Unavoidable at this point.
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Dan McEntee on May 17, 2016, 04:58:28 PM: Quote from: Avaiojet on May 17, 2016, 12:20:19 PM
Maybe I should buy a drone, I could use 5 bucks.

I gotta hear the reasoning behind this statement?? ??? ???
Just puzzled,
Dan McEntee
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Target on May 17, 2016, 05:49:09 PM: He probably thinks that if he registers with the FAA, they pay him $5, but they only refund the $5 you paid if you registered before I think it was Jan 21....
And I'm STILL not registered, so I'm STILL five bucks ahead.
Sue me.

R,
Chris
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Rich Perry on May 17, 2016, 07:49:18 PM: I registered with the notion that I was going to need it to fly my RC aircraft at my club and in competition. My whole thinking has been for not though, as since I have registered, I have only flown CL. Anything relating to RC for me at the moment only relates to building. My flying days of RC may be over. That aspect of model aviation I think has passed me by. The registration issue I think was the last straw for me.
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Terry Caron on May 17, 2016, 07:53:00 PM: If they can't find a registered flyer, guess we non-registered needn't worry too much. ;D

Terry
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: wwwarbird on May 17, 2016, 08:35:08 PM: "1961 we put a man in outerspace, 2016 we put a man in the ladies room" LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~

Please let me know when the T-shirts are ready. ;D
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Jim Kraft on May 17, 2016, 08:35:53 PM: According to the AMA, free flight and control line are exempt from the law. But, I see no such exemption in the FAA rules. It defines any uas over the .55 pound weight limit without exception. A uas to the FAA is any model that flies no matter how it is controlled. Makes no sense I know but when do government agencies make sense. Hopefully it will become official from the FAA in the near future, but I would not bet on it. So far I think it covers everything but golf balls. I wonder about stunt kites.
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Chris Fretz on May 18, 2016, 01:20:34 PM: Question 20...

http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Steve Helmick on May 18, 2016, 02:14:34 PM: Quote from: #Liner on May 18, 2016, 01:20:34 PM
Question 20...

http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/

"sUAS" is not the name of any model airplane I have, so I don't give a good @#$% what the FAA regulations say. VD~ Steve
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Mike Haverly on May 18, 2016, 05:04:45 PM: "Q4. What is the definition of a sUAS? Is it different from a drone?

A. A UAS is an unmanned aircraft system. An sUAS is a small unmanned aircraft system weighing more than 0.55 pounds and less than55 pounds.The term drone, UAS, sUAS are considered the same for registration purposes. Public Law 112-95 sections 331(8) and 336 define an unmanned aircraft as "an aircraft that is operated without the possibility of direct human intervention from within or on the aircraft". UAS and sUAS are often referred to as drones."

I think I have some models that fit the above description.
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Steve Helmick on May 18, 2016, 07:10:31 PM: It's ok. I have no "system". Stuff just happens almost randomly and usually at the last minute. y1 Steve
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Jim Kraft on May 18, 2016, 07:17:19 PM: Only kites and rockets are exempt from what I see. Oh, you can also fly inside as that is not in the outside air space. What we need is a control line super dome. We could even paint lines on it to follow the pattern, and there would be no wind unless we generate some. Talk about judging. Hey, he just missed the intersection on the H 8's by 3 inches. And his left loop was almost a foot higher and larger than the right one. If we build it they will come. y1
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: john e. holliday on May 19, 2016, 09:18:37 AM: If I seen it right there is already a dome not being used for any thing in the Houston area. I remember coming home from Denver with Melvin and Brenda when we checked out a site for indoor use for F2C flying and also F2A.
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Chris Fretz on May 19, 2016, 10:12:47 AM: I didn't get a refund. Guess I should of waited till now to do it.
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: pipemakermike on May 19, 2016, 10:59:21 AM: Sounds to me like you could put any random number on a model and it would be OK
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Steve Thompson on May 19, 2016, 11:42:21 AM: "Sounds to me like you could put any random number on a model and it would be OK"

My Sig Acromaster has the Pi symbol on the wing for a "race number" (I like Piplanes and you can't describe our flying without Pi). If you take Pi out to enough digits, eventually you should hit all sequences of numbers! I'm covered then, right?
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: John Rist on May 19, 2016, 11:50:23 AM: Of those that got a refund how was it paid? Bill back on credit card or what?
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Rich Perry on May 19, 2016, 02:16:24 PM: Yeah, the money leaves your account, and then they put it back in. This is done to verify identity and location. It would not be possible to register with cash. This time, it is more important to the Gov to know who where you are, than to take your money.

Moot point now, as the refund time is over.
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Jim Kraft on May 19, 2016, 03:13:16 PM: Reminds me of when I was 15 back in 1956. I bought an old 1942 Harley "45" Flat Head, and rode with out a tag. No one cared in the small town we lived in. But one day a buddy of mine and I decided to ride to a larger town where we thought they might not be so understanding. We got some old farm truck tags that were the same size and motorcycle tags and repainted the numbers to look like motorcycle tags. We never got stopped so I guess it did work.

What ever happened to our freedom. Those of us that have been around for a while remember those days when we started driving when we were 13 or 14. We flew models where ever there was a place large enough and no body cared. When we flew at the school yard or at the ball diamond they usually came out to watch. I flew many gallons of Fox Superfuel in the town park.

Now every place is off limits as though we are some kind of criminals. People came to America for freedom, where do we go now? The hand writing is on the wall. This country is so broke it cannot pay attention. Maybe it is just me but I think we are going to have an economic earthquake the likes we have never seen in the near future. You cannot spend your way out of debt.

Oh, I forgot, this is control line. Well it started out that way.
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: John Rist on May 19, 2016, 05:27:38 PM: Quote from: Rich Perry on May 19, 2016, 02:16:24 PM
Yeah, the money leaves your account, and then they put it back in. This is done to verify identity and location. It would not be possible to register with cash. This time, it is more important to the Gov to know who where you are, than to take your money.

Moot point now, as the refund time is over.

My registration card reads issued 1/18/2016. I thought I made the deadline but no refund yet.
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Jim Kraft on May 20, 2016, 07:52:46 AM: I sent an email to the FAA yesterday and told them exactly what we do in flying control line. I explained that we fly in a hemisphere on steel cables that are no longer than 70'. I asked them if we were covered by the FAA and needed to be licensed by them. I got back a reply this morning that they were unable at this time to make a judgement with the available information and they needed a whole lot more of my personal information. So I guess we are danged if we don't and danged if we do. If we ran our businesses like the government runs their business we would last about five minutes. Trying to get them to commit to anything is like trying to push a log chain.

The rules do say that all UAS tethered and untethered come under their license. So I guess we are stuck unless they change their modus operandi. I guess they figure a blanket policy is the only policy that will work and keep them from being blamed for any and all things that could possibly happen. I am frustrated to say the least.
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Steve Helmick on May 20, 2016, 12:48:18 PM: The reason they specify "tethered" is because some of the quadcopter operators would put a tether on their qc to get around previous definitions/regulations. Their idea was the tether made their machine a "kite", as FAA used to consider CL models. So, FAA wrote their new regulation to nix that, screwing us over in the process. '' Steve
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: Bill Johnson on July 05, 2016, 08:15:27 AM: I haven't been looking for it but just checked.

Registered 1/1/2016, received refund 1/11/2016.
Title: Re: FAA $5 refund
Post by: john e. holliday on July 05, 2016, 09:13:26 AM: Hey Jim, how can the FAA make a judgement when they don't know what they are doing them selves. LL~ LL~