F-105 Thunderchief

[Greg Howie]

After reading the Saginaw III post , great  by the way I am thinking about building a jet job ! Well I was going to order the Saginaw print from flying models and saw Bob Hunts 105 listed . Any pictures thoughts ?  I would like to see a picture of it before I buy the print for that one as well . Thanks and any other Jet jobs that you like ? I heard the badest one was called , something like the adventurer ? Anybody heard of that one could post a picture ? Thanks again

[Wynn Robins]

Ma favourite jet stunter is the T-38 Talon by Dave Reess - here is one I built using vector wing etc (not the polywog shown on the plans)

looked good in the air and flew really well!!!!

[Bryan Higgins]

Stringjobs

I also have been looking to build a jet.  The F-105 is cool , so is the
F-86D SABER DOG .  I think i'll draw up the plans this year and
build it next year.  My flying has been getting better , Now i can land
without crashing.  Just have to learn the patterns now.  So i mite as
well build untill i get it all down.

[Bryan Higgins]

Stringjobs

Here is a pic of the F-86D.

[Glen Wearden]

This is crass thread drift, but I saw a F105 shoot itself down one day at Yakima Firing Center, WA.  I think it was early 1963, and I was XO of a 155mm towed howitzer battery in a battalion providing general support to the 4th Mechanized Division.  We were maneuvering against the 5th Mechanized Division, and were in the live fire portion of the maneuver.  In the air support phase, we watched as some F105's made a strafing run along a ridge with their 20mm gatling guns.  One of the planes suddenly pulled up and started trailing smoke.  the pilot ejected and we watched him float down as the plane disappeared behind the ridge and crashed.  The pilot was OK and no one on the ground was hurt.  We were told, later, that the 20mm had kicked up some rocks that entered the engine and knocked it out.  An interesting day.

Glen

[Tom Niebuhr]

Wynn,
I always liked the Rees T-38. It had incredible cockpit details.


Greg,
Don Hutchinson's F-86 is one of the most beautiful jets that you will ever see. I can also attest to the fact that it flies very well. It was in Model Aviation around 2003 or 2004. I am sure that Don will jump in here and give you more details.

[Jim Oliver]

Now THAT F86 makes me want to build a jet!!

Jim

[Bob Reeves]

Don also did a profile F86 which I'm morphing into an FJ-4 carrier airplane.. Check out the Carrier section, interesting stuff going on down there.

[Greg Howie]

 This is what is listed :No pictures for any of them on the flying models site

CF297
 F-105 Thunderchief C/L Stunt Hunt, Bob .40 57" 05/73 $9.00 Republic's versatile jet fighter/bomber is a great semi-scale C/L stunt subject



CF956
 F-86 Sabre Jet C/L Profile Hutchinson, Don .25 39.5" 02/95 $8.00 Chase Migs with this profile sport stunt design CF0956

CD034
 F-14 Tomcat II C/L Macaluso, V. .40 56.75" 08/97 $9.00 CL stunter exotic look remake of this author's 1st Tomcat is an SV-11 under the skin. Uses a piped engine.


CF147
 Formula S. C/L Stunt Kostecky, Jim .35 to .40 55" 12/68 $9.00 tricycle landing gear design captured 2nd place in stunt at 68 Nats



CF197
 F-86D Sabre Jet C/L Stunt Lampione, B. .35 54" 06/70 $9.00 Winner of 1969 Nats C/L stunt crown.


CF248
 F-14 Tomcat C/L Scale Macaluso, V. .35 to .40 56" 01/72 $9.00 Semi-Scale C/L stunt Navy fighter.



CF284
 Spirit of Saginaw C/L Profile Pacini, D. .35 50" 01/73 $8.00

[Elwyn Aud]

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[Wynn Robins]

I can send you the Talon plan electronically for nothing  -

I also have a Sabre plan - designed by K J Taylor I can send you electronically

if you are interested

[Greg Howie]

Awesome send away bro ! Thank you !  That T 38 is very nice .


Dons F 86 is out of this world ! Thanks Tom


 Bryan , Yeah thats a wicked looking old jet , Thanks

[Tom Niebuhr]

Bob,

I hate to tell you... at one time you were skinny and hairy.

Cap's T-chief is beautiful, isn't it?

[Matt Colan]

CD034
 F-14 Tomcat II C/L Macaluso, V. .40 56.75" 08/97 $9.00 CL stunter exotic look remake of this author's 1st Tomcat is an SV-11 under the skin. Uses a piped engine.

We have Vic's F-14 Tomcat II, and the plane still looks and flies great.  we treat it like an old car, it goes out on nice days.  I flew it but didn't get too much out of it since it was very turbulent at the time and I did a square and the thing lost tension on the way down, but just as quickly as I lost it, I got tension back, and that was the last maneuver I did, also the neutral was off since it was hunting on me, but it doesn't hunt for grandpa (of course he sets the handle for himself)

Edit:  We have the original pipe and the original motor that the plane had with it, oh and the original prop on the plane.  Lines are different but are the same length as originally, flies very well

[Wynn Robins]

Is that the elevator t or an air brake on the back!!!!       plenty of control throw!

I guess I'm qualified to respond to this one, seeing that I'm the designer of the Thunderchief (The CL Stunt version at least...).

Here's an old photo that was taken at the 1972 KOI. Was I ever that thin and did I ever have that much hair?

Bob Hunt

[Greg Howie]

Awesome ! Wow its Bob Hunt ! OK got kind of star struck there .You look like Joe Walsh in that picture ! That's great 1970 ! , Yeah Were we ever that young ? . Man its like an other life time . Thank you for your reply wow actually occurrence , Bob Hunt !. So if you would be so kind tell us a little more about the F-105 . What inspired you to pick the 105 ? Do I see a little of the Genesis in there or was that a entire new sheet a paper ? Are the wheel pants the bombs ? How did it fly ? any changes that you would make if building it today ? Please more , thank you.


Matt thanks for the pictures of the f 14 looks like a real nice jet job ! Do you know of any difference between the two f-14's of vic's ? Maybe a better airfoil ?



Elwyn that thunderbird looks like the Bobs F-105 Now that I see Bob's F 105 . Very nice  !  Must land great on those tri gear . Thank you


 

[Randy Powell]

The Avanti is sweet looking.

[Matt Colan]

Matt thanks for the pictures of the f 14 looks like a real nice jet job ! Do you know of any difference between the two f-14's of vic's ? Maybe a better airfoil ?

Stringjobs,

The second F-14 is really an SV-11 in disguise, with the wing, and stab all built on the thrustline of the engine.  The first F-14, that grandpa has built two of and is planning to refinish it over the winter is really a smaller airplane.  I don't know the moments off the top of my head, but the airfoil is something very similar to a chipmunk airfoil.

[Greg Howie]

 Yeah the guy with retracts will not only have a slick looking airplane but one that will fly better ! I have kicked around the Idea came up with nothing . Now with an electric powered airplane , that's a different story . You'll have tons of power with your battery pack on board .  I wonder if there will be those crying fowl . What are the rules about retracts on a stunt job ?

  You guys are my Hero's ! Not much cooler that jamming to Joe Walsh tunes , Except maybe Jamming WITH Joe Walsh !.  That's funny ! We are not Worthy ! . OMG !  

  Given any thought to navigation lights and a rotating beacon on that jet cruising around with the gear up ? http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&P=SM&I=LXTB98


 I didn't realize that the sv 11 was an in line job . Thanks for the info . Great looking jets  


Here is one For Bob !

[Tom Niebuhr]

Greg,

I think that Matt meant that the SV 11 parts were used in line for the F-14. The SV 11 is not in line.

[Matt Colan]

Greg,

I think that Matt meant that the SV 11 parts were used in line for the F-14. The SV 11 is not in line.

Yeah that's what I meant, a normal SV-11 is not an inline

[John Sunderland]

Hi Stringjobs (Greg?):

It took me a few minutes to get down to writing this response; your Joe Walsh comment made me remember the days that I tried like crazy to be just like him… At least on the guitar! I remember the day that Andy Lee and I spent a few hours in my basement trying to get the rhythm chops to “Walk Away” just right. Finally did! Still play that one now and then… Did you know that Billy Werwage used to live near Joe and actually jammed with him on several occasions? Memories… Never realized that I resembled him… Not sure which one of us should be upset!

The F-105 was one of my favorite full-scale planes for many years before I actually did the semi-scale treatment on it. It was just so "organic" looking to me with all its angles and add-ons. It looked like some sort of prehistoric monster! It just begged to be made into a stunter.

It was a clean sheet of paper approach. I had been using the Chipmunk airfoils in a couple of planes prior to designing that ship. The plane I designed and built just before the “Thud” was my Avanti, and that also used the Chipmunk wing. It was a fantastic flying ship, but short lived due to a tank leak that ruined the inside of the ship. I sold it to Dave Chapman and he fixed it and flew it for many years. I’ll try to add a photo of that ship here. It’s Classic legal and I may reprise it for VSC soon.  In fact, Gene Schaffer and Bob Lampione were also using the Chipmunk airfoils successfully in those days. We all added a bit of span to it to make the wing somewhat higher aspect ratio than the stock version.

The drop tanks were turned on my dad’s lathe. I tack glued two pieces of balsa together and turned them to a pleasing shape. I then split them horizontally and put plywood pads against the inside top faces of each drop tank. The lower half of the tanks had access holes in the bottom to allow me to use a 4-40 Allen Wrench to remove the tanks at will. They screwed into inserts that I installed in the wing pylons. To be completely honest here, I didn’t think for a minute that I would actually fly the ship with the drop tanks installed. I figured they would be good for photos and such, but would cause trim problems that would be catastrophic. Boy, was I wrong!

The first flights on the ship were a bit disappointing. It flew okay, but was not the killer I was hoping for. I had installed one of the, then new, O.S. H.40S engines. It ran great and had lots of power and even a wonderful 2-4 break. I decided to fly it once with the drop tanks on just to see how it looked in the air with them before I retired it to hangar queen status. Presto! It flew absolutely great with the tanks on! In fact, it was an amazingly good performer and with it I began winning on the East Coast stunt scene.

I’ve been planning on building a new one with electric power. Imagine how clean that nose shape would look without the engine’s cylinder hanging down. I’ll also add retracts. The thought of seeing those drop tanks and no gear is just too much to resist. It’s on my short list to be sure!  
Thanks for the interest

Bob Hunt

 

My little power trio just played a Harvest Festival in Podunkville, Ohio. After all these years I still eat up the James Gang stuff. Seems my band members even think I can sing it pretty well too. This village is very close to Joes grandparents farm so I mentioned it before we ripped thru Funk#49 and Rocky Mountain Way! Fifteen years or so ago I worked with one of Joes college cronies from Kent State. He tells some good stories about those days.  Joe Walsh stuff is still a staple for bar bands around here. Everybody knows his stuff and they like to shake it Joe Walsh. Needless to say he is a local hero around these parts.

But back to airplanes Bob! Ya know, I would love to do your Thunder Chief. ESL will for sure make this a great subject

[Bill Heher]

The Smoker you Drink - the Player you Get!

or

The Harder you Fly - the Better you Crash!  ( in my case anyway)

I really like the Thud with drop tanks and trike gear!  and i'm not really a jet guy - more a Classic / Golden era fan.

[Bill Little]

(snip)
Matt thanks for the pictures of the f 14 looks like a real nice jet job ! Do you know of any difference between the two f-14's of vic's ? Maybe a better airfoil ?
(snip)

Vic built a F-8 Crusader powered with a Fox .35 in quick time for the '70 NATS.   A couple years later he also built the F-14 for a .35.

After a many year lay-off, he built a SV 11 for his return.  With tuned pipes hitting it big, he designed a second F-8 for SV 11 wings, etc., and used a pipe set up.  That also brought about his second F-14 which also used the SV 11 wing and tuned pipe.

Vic told me that *looks* were the only thing common between his first generation F-8 and F-14 and the new piped planes.

Mongo

[John Crocker]

Was always a fan of the F104 Starfighter, probably would stink as a stunter, but man would it look cool in the circle

[M Spencer]

Was always a fan of the F104 Starfighter, probably would stink as a stunter, but man would it look cool in the circle

Indeed. We've scribbled that up.Looked at it 75 based on Reg Towell's Caudron. (its got a 'big' wing too.)

Young Trostle got a copy of the drg.The Fuse stretched and fitted to the Berringer wing would be cool.

Also a Fuse mtd trike gears good for Hurricanes , typhoons and people who fly in such winds. Its not likely to
punch the gear through the top of the wing.

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The 'big' Crusader at 4/5 comes out as a .35 'little' Crusader, Not a lot differant to the original. Maybe a SV11s a
scaled up flattened out Crusader? Crusader would pass as a Corsair too . . .
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Had the wing and part fuse for the 104. trashed it in a move.Some twit trashed another six of em (Airplanes) boo hoo .

[Bill Little]

IIRC, Tom McClain has a F-104 he built a while back.

Mongo

[Greg Howie]

I would love to see that 104 he built. The f 104 is one of the most awesome jets ever built . Many first of innovations. Speed records , altitude records . The Lockheed f 104 set the standard at the time. My favorite of all time is the f 104 . As a youngster at Lockheed open house I had the privilege to watch an f 104 fly by at super sonic speed . Then Tony levier flying a highly polished p 38 taxi up to the crowd and get out next to the Sr 71 . Awesome stuff.

 Anyway someone made a u-2 stunt job so who knows ,if you can translate the 104 into a stunter it would be one cool looking jet.

 So Bob what about those retracts on the 105 ? any ideas you would like to share , please ?