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Dennis Leonhardi

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Evolution 10x4 3-Blade Prop
« on: September 12, 2023, 06:37:47 PM »
Seems to me this would be somewhat similar to a 11x4 2-Blade, possibly good on the LA .46.  (Then again, I'm often wrong.)  Has anyone tried it?

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Re: Evolution 10x4 3-Blade Prop
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2023, 07:54:31 PM »
I think they go for the two blade in the wind .

Apparently the 3 blade , it'll turn better & exit cleaner from squares .

So its said . I like the Tornado , as Ive not much else , inem . The old + - 1 inch adage . Cant be far off . If you trimed the 11 to match revs ,maybe you coul decipher if it flys differant .

I dfinately think the three blade reactions less agro , when you ' hammer ' a turn . The nose kicks around less . The 11s heavier than the 10 , overall ,

look more Like .50 cube props , What do they WEIGH  . Look like good ' hot air '  as full size High Alt. blade shape .



Opps . 10 & 12 , . Are yours the same blade layout . ? they look to be HEAVY ?? Gyro effect . The 10 would be the one , Id think . Would bog down on a 11 , lotta blade area .

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Re: Evolution 10x4 3-Blade Prop
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2023, 09:53:26 PM »
I saw several of these run on the Evo .36 on their PT-19. Didn't seem particularly special. On the other hand, I saw a Tornado flexi-3 blader fail a year ago on an ST.46. It shed all three blades and in the process did damage to the plane. The blades were scattered all over. At least no one got hurt.

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Re: Evolution 10x4 3-Blade Prop
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2023, 09:02:33 AM »
  I tried them during my experiments with the ill fated PT-19. I didn't think they were very good at all. I have used the Tornado three blade, Graupner, and the Master Airscrew three blade props, so I have some experience to compare it with. The Evolution prop is heavy, and some one has to explain the blade shape to me. I think that is what hurts this prop. Of all the off the shelf 3 blade props I have tried, the MA line is the most promising. Years ago, some one on the list here persuaded Windsor Propeller to produce their 10-5 three blade if there was enough interest, and there was. It works very well on most .35-.46 engines and can be repitched. Easy on the pocketbook also
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Re: Evolution 10x4 3-Blade Prop
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2023, 10:24:14 AM »
" some one has to explain the blade shape to me. "

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This is the Evolution 12x4 Alpha 60 3-Blade Propeller. The Evolution Engines Alpha 60 three blade propeller was designed to fly at slow speed while maintaining excellent thrust for climb and aerobatic maneuvers. Engine sizes from 50 to 61 can easily spin this 12x4 three-blade propeller. This prop will control the top speed of your model within a 52 to 70 mph range, which is very practical for training purposes. However the high thrust at low speed is perfect for 3D flying in models designed for maneuvers at slow speed.

They look HEAVY which wouldnt help . But in very thin air , the could , maybe .

Im thinking , as Late Lancasters ran props with blades winder outward for better high altitude cruise ( The probly ran at lower pitch in the climb than the standard prop ) that theyre a ; air grabber .
So in cool / dense / low altitude air , theyed load the motor , so youd need a lot of turque to spin them . As in a big motor or a small prop . As there a lot of blade out there going a long way  - Which
would do nasty gyro precession nose swing scary stuff . Also slow the 2-4-2 bit . not being light .
Some Vickers Viscount - a early Turo Prop mainly intercontinental ( Is England a Continant   %^@ ) well inter country !  so Those flights wernt LOW . Presurised so 20.000 feet , where the Airs Thinner ,
So you want more grab .


There were late Mustang experimental & development props , some found their way onto Reno P-51's . Some hollow bladed . Square Tip ones .


The Evo props mightve been done by someone with P 51's on the brain , or they just wanted to be differant - marketing .  :P

BARTON forum a few years back , ha a big debate on nylon props and AGEING . Here in Australia where its hot and dry . Sometimes . when its not freezing or raining ! , Big Place - climates vary throughout .  :P
Drying Out - Ive had Yellow Tornados , Twist in hands -  Start to & they go .Ping . A 11 x 4  yellow howevers Flexi and just bends . Maybe it never dried out . ( I twisted it again the other day - its twistable )
Barton - tthe scientist or two lectured on Moisture Content in Plastics . The proposal was  45 minutes in 80 degree water - would re hygroify !? it . Correct the humidity vital to flexure .
Having debritalised crash pads  , ( a extremely dry and a bit faded / greyed one ( uncracked ) in a 67 Corsair outdoors shut parked , nose into sun , for 5 years or more  ,
soaked up the first dose late afternoon in a hour - another -vernight ,dry next morning . 4th - next started to revive it , and slowed absorbtion . Sixth & it was pliable . so there you go .
Re thingo the  moisture percentage . IF it hasnt been damadged WHILE it was ' dry ' . ( You armoualled - when it would stay wet for a few days , then it was back in service .
So all the nylon props get soaked & bagged overnight - Glared at - observed - then Twisted . BEFORE USE . Wait till it STOPS absorbing it , before the Twist Check , If it was trashed before hand , youve lost out .
A Crankshaft crack tested before regrindings better than  ground before crack testing . You loose either way if its cracked . BUT a 51 BSA one I Then threw out still ' RUNG ' So I Shouldnt have . Work that one out .

Tornado , the purple bubble pack silver were stiff  ( From the 60's ) the bagged yellow lablel perhaps not - usually theyre flexi yuk .  Not on a HOT day , thank you . Late White are polypropolene , white Not Nylon . :P
White Nylon 2 blade are stiff and need there thermal bath or suclike , if to be trusted .
The Black Ones similarly . All mine have been aggresively Armouralled . Then They Flex , a little . ( The black ones were the last of the line   ) But Cottage Industry to the rescue . theres TWO I think blokes here
Doing Glass Tornado 3 Blade 10 inch props , 20 or 25 bucks , if I recall right . the 10 x 4s quite usefull , and the 10 x 6 ( 5 true ) will have yore G 51 at its best .

So THERE you Go .  ;D The Grish - tornado is thin high efficency !  blades ( Dosnt load a motor a great deal ) . so not overly heavy , either . OS max . 35 on 70 feet of 12 thou at a slow airspeed , keeping on keeping on .
Frightning the neigbours and the pilot on a FSR 45 , or at home on a F P 40 etc , underpropping gruntier motors - Yet to perfect THAT , but dint try , or start - to . But the attempt was spectacular and not horrifying .
just scary .  LL~

The Big Black Blades on those Evo's look like theyed be prone to  ' strike ' damadge .
Ran G 15s on Taipan grey props . Combat . O.K. , might survive a vertical arrival . When they came out with the G R P ones . The Black - Glass ( F'Glass !? ) Reinforced Plastic  ones . Superb .
But the prop impression in the field usually contained a propellor blade or two ,

So the G R P Black props , do not , have a high elastic limit . ( Keep them hygroified - Moisture Content - for ANY . )  and they DONT deform - they break . Fibre Glass would be way more durable & youd see any irregularities .

Brief and to the point .  LL~
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Re: Evolution 10x4 3-Blade Prop
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2023, 05:06:19 AM »
Furtherv Raptures regarding TORNADO Props .

The Old ' PLASTICOTE ' ( I found a picture ) were resin impregnated timber ( so they said ) were a No 1 choice for 1960s Team Race  . Untill the Batels copies in G Fibre came out . My bartels is way undersized !

And , it turns out , the yellow nylon are near identical / indestinguishable so would do rather well for taking a prop mold . there were small hub and later Strong ( big ) hub  . in the 7 x 8's .for .16s , 8x8's for B T/R .
Ive ONE 8x7 plasticote Wood . Heres a picture of someone elses  . Dunno if thats his real name .  ;) BEING AS the 3 blade Tornado blade is indestiguishable , in shape .





Phaa . The blokes got a few other pictures - seeing we're here .


As they were the period top line . . . . thing . Was yellow ones there , but there IS a limit , believe it or not . The Small Hub 7x8 is the ringer for the plasticote .
A Grab & S N A P  before I got them moving , got me getting the armourall out - And harrasing the entire nylon good prop stock , after reading the Barton Spiel ,

HYGROSCOPIC , it was ! https://www.ulprospector.com/knowledge/1489/pe-dry-vs-conditioned-polyamide-nylon/  blah blah

SO , get your nylons sorted .  S?P The BLACK Glass Reinforced Plastic seem to have the same ' personality .' A R & B 75 threw two blades on a 12 x 6 Master . 3 Blade . under air loadings .
I MAY have carried it by a prop blade . Never Again . After That . But im pretty sure it never suffered groundage . Ground Stike the Bigger things call it .

So , Care for Propellors . The Slow boat out here and sit around for years in a dry climate may deteriorate the G R P  black props . However theyre undamadged , but brittle untill Rehygrofied .

So , you can put on your plane , decales " Hygroscopic Prop  " by  ( your name  ) It mayve been TWO HOURS at the 80 degrees , in water ,

 Remember the ' Boil Before Use ' instructions , back then ? https://www.plasticstoday.com/materials/materials-analyst-part-85-fixing-brittle-nylon-product-water





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