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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: RC Storick on March 03, 2008, 02:29:01 PM
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This is a pilot!
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We saw Keith do something like that once with his Bi-slob. He missed it....He was talking to us!
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Yup, he's a good pilot. But he's stupid too. n1
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This is a pilot!
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HENCE the QUOTE "There are OLD pilots...and BOLD pilots..But there are NO OLD BOLD pilots"
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First thing out of my mind, Stupid Idiot. If that was in the states the FAA would yank his license. He couldn't have been twenty feet from all those people
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It was during a Grand Prix of Aerobatics about 8 years ago, the pilot was of the former USSR aerobatic competition team and has coached for aerobatic teams and individuals all over the world, and an expert in the Sukoi. The event was organised to the standards set down by the hosting country, which was Hungary since it took place in Budapest, and the guy is a long way from the crowd compared to the 20 feet stated above.
The FAA has little to do with European airshow ops, but he has a 0 altitude aerobatic waiver here in the US.
He decided not to do it again, as the visibility on the approach and in the recovery was too limited. No one else in the Grand Prix attempted it.
Since I know the man, the idea that he is stupid, an idiot, or anything but a highly skilled aerobatic pilot is insulting, but then you know what they say about those that can't. This man is one that can, and does.
Chris...
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Sorry Chris, but I thought it was just some Sunday pilot that decided to fly under the local bridge for kicks. H^^
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Yup, he's a good pilot. But he's stupid too. n1
"We saw Keith do something like that once with his Bi-slob. He missed it....He was talking to us!"
Thanks a lot Terry. Now look what Clint has gone and said. That is absolutely wrong. I am not a good pilot. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
PS: I am leading in the delegate count for BS'er of the year.
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I my Air Force days, pilots were permanently grounded for A LOT less than this.
They'd say he:
Failed to effectively check the weather.
Exceeded cross wind limits.
Endanaged the passengers.
Damaged the airplane.
Welcome to your new job filing reports in the underground command post.
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People think that is stupid because they dont see the practice that went into arriving at that skill level. People thought Evil Knevil was stupid to attempt the things that he did, but today any intermediate motocrosser worth his salt could do anything Evil did with ease (and a whole lot less broken bones!!!) That pilot was very impressive if you ask me. Check out this "wingless" pilot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDASid3GtDE&feature=user
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The greatest feat of airline pilotage of all time (and forever) was the DC-10 landing in Iowa.
The tail engine blew up disabling the rudder and elevators and dumping the hyrdraulic fluid. The crew was able to land with limited loss of life, using only flaps, ailerons, and differential power on the remaining engines.
Compared to that, pushing up the power and aborting a landing with a perfectly good airplane is no big thing.
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I was a DC10 Check Capt at UAL when Flt 232 lost all hydraulics due to the departure of a turbine wheel in the center engine, which unfortunately severed an area common to all the hydraulic systems.* All of 'em. Capt Al Hanes was asked by a deadheading instructor, Denny Fitch, if he could use some help. Al quickly took Denny up on the offer. No ailerons, no rudder, no spoilers, no trim, no flaps, no slats, the event happened in the clean configuration, so they were stuck with a landing in the clean configuration, landing basically at cruise speed, roughly 210 knots, IAS. The landing gear had a "free fall" gravity back up system for extension. Denny, kneeling between the pilots, controlled altitude and attitude with power and was able to control heading with differential power. But even that was compromised as the right engine was heavily damaged and was capable of only about 80% power, max.
When UAL retired the DC10, all Standard Capts, Check Capts, Fleet Capts, Instructors had a big party in Ontario, Calif where Denny was the guest speaker and received the overwhelming credit he deserved for his skill and knowledge from his peers, including a song that had something about "takeoffs and landings should be an equal sum, if not, life can be a *itch, just ask Denny Fitch..." or something like that. Al Hanes is always first in line to thank and congratulate Denny.
I agree that this had to have been one of the most amazing flying feats ever done by any aviator. It has never, to my knowledge, been accomplished successfully in simulator attempts, thirty-seven attempts, last I heard. The "fix" installed on DC10s afterward kept the stab trim available for pitch, and an aileron for roll. It was still very difficult to fly, but doable, certainly better than what Al and Denny had.
I think this is a pretty accurate assessment, it's been almost ten years since I flew the DC10. I just couldn't pass up the chance to throw in my appreciation for a couple of heroic aviators, one who gave control of the outcome to someone he knew was better qualified, and the other who got the job done. dg
*Looking into my logbooks, I find an error in my timeline. I flew Al Hanes from DCA to ORD after he appeared in hearings after the accident. It was on the 727. Then I flew him and his wife to a personal appearance in Philadelphia, this time on a DC8. The last time I was priveleged to fly him was on the DC10, taking him to Seattle. I also was present when he addressed the DFW Airport Board to upgrade emergency response capabilities at the airport. He tells a great story, modest to the hilt.
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Thanks for the good info, Dale. It's always better from someone who has actually flown the airplane and knows the straight scoop.
Chris...
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Sorry Chris, but I thought it was just some Sunday pilot that decided to fly under the local bridge for kicks. H^^
I know that it wasn't intentional, Clint; just some of the other posters have been throwing around their "expertise" about full size airplane operations lately and it's getting pretty thick!
Chris...
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A good friend of mine had that same UAL route the next day, and knew Al Hanes very well.
Though my friend was a captain with another airline previously, he was relatively new to UAL, so was flying as FO, or FE on that particular route. He has since moved out of the Seattle area, and was a 757/767 Captain last time we spoke.
I'd kidded him before about flying those triple engine ditch diggers, and was shocked to see reports of a crash on his route! I called his home immediately, and was genuinely relieved when he answered the phone. One of his first comments was "Perhaps I should have listened to you!"
There were so many design flaws in the original DC10, that I figured (as it turned out correctly) there were still problems to be uncovered. It's one of the few domestic passenger liners, that I really don't care to travel on.
Bill
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the Sukhoi has a span of a little over 24 ft. The people on the bridge were d*** close when the plane went under. The bridge looks to be only about 60 ft. high. The poeple are what makes this a reckless stunt, no matter how skilfull the pilot or well-practiced he is.
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>>>Since I know the man, the idea that he is stupid, an idiot, or anything but a highly skilled aerobatic pilot is insulting, but then you know what they say about those that can't. This man is one that can, and does.
Chris...<<<<
These are the type of people that kill others. Total arrogant ignorance because they feel they wont make a mistake. I enjoy an airshow as much as the next person but doing it within such a confined space is "Stupid"
Don't say a catastrophe cant happen because it can, it does and it will. I witnessed it first hand in 1988 at Ramstein when the Arrogant Italian team splattered the crowd with two of their jets. Blood and guts every where.