Mike, if you really want to got to the really dark side, assemble an ARF Bi-Slob or throw one together from the kit. From take off to when the engine/motor quits, all maneuvers right in front of you with the wind at your back side. I mean almost half lap loops, inverted and squares. Don't forget there is the hanging on the prop also. I do that when I get tired of doing patterns. Pull out the Bi-Slob and have fun. Have even thought of taking my chair to the center when I fly the Slob.