Author Topic: Engineering board (Read 3327 times)

RC Storick · « **on:** June 20, 2009, 09:50:59 AM »

I thought I would add a board for everyone who is into numbers and formulas. Heck maybe we can learn something.

"Serge Krauss" Is the silent volunteer. He don't know it yet.

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?board=64.0

john e. holliday · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:27:36 AM »

I can remember when Wild Bill Netzband used to write Round-n-Round. The formulas he had were beyond this simple mind of mine. I almost flunked Algebra I, the teach let me pass if I promised not to take Algebra II. Having fun, DOC Holliday

Larry Cunningham · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2009, 10:32:11 AM »

I dunno. It seems that entire threads mysteriously go missing over here..

L.

"The fellow that agrees with everything you say is either a fool or he is getting ready to
skin you." -Kin Hubbard

billbyles · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2009, 11:11:13 AM »

Quote from: Larry Cunningham on June 21, 2009, 10:32:11 AM

I dunno. It seems that entire threads mysteriously go missing over here..

L.

I noticed that Larry, also threads on the open forum, like from yesterday.

RC Storick · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2009, 11:24:32 AM »

If your talking about the weight thread its was mine. Plenty of other channels on the INTERNET.

Bill Morell · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2009, 12:25:54 PM »

Quote from: billbyles on June 21, 2009, 11:11:13 AM

I noticed that Larry, also threads on the open forum, like from yesterday.

Yeah I noticed it too. I thought that was supposed to be one of those things that we would never see on here? Kinda like SSW............

Richard Grogan · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2009, 01:58:57 PM »

You all noticed it was missing from this forum, but did you notice in your observations that it was moved here in the dead letter zone?? http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?board=65.0 I think it was an appropriate place for it, unlike SSW.There's a place for everything here, even for dead-ended discussions.Pay attention.

Doug Moon · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2009, 02:49:14 PM »

Quote from: Richard Grogan on June 21, 2009, 01:58:57 PM

You all noticed it was missing from this forum, but did you notice in your observations that it was moved here in the dead letter zone?? http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?board=65.0 I think it was an appropriate place for it, unlike SSW.There's a place for everything here, even for dead-ended discussions.Pay attention.

I cant go this link? It says I am locked out.

I can go to the link Robert put up just fin. Dick Fowler started a thread over there named "Let me be the first."

Anyway, I dont think we need a new board for engineering. Paying attention to the math has been very informative to me over the years. I am not strong in math and I have learned alot form these guys.

Oh well, another place we have to go and check.

Richard Grogan · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2009, 03:31:31 PM »

Locked out huh? I guess thats why he named it the "Dead Letter Zone"!

Larry Cunningham · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2009, 04:12:33 PM »

Quote from: Richard Grogan on June 21, 2009, 01:58:57 PM

You all noticed it was missing from this forum, but did you notice in your observations that it was moved here in the dead letter zone?? http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?board=65.0 I think it was an appropriate place for it, unlike SSW.There's a place for everything here, even for dead-ended discussions.Pay attention.

Not sure who can actually access that place, I cannot. For me, it's a black hole, I'm not an administrator.

I continue to see these threads started, same subject with same decrees. As soon as dissent appears, the thread gets yanked - that IS very SSW-like. I remind myself that people who own forums can do whatever they wish.

I never seem to learn to simply ignore them as they appear; eventually they suffer the same fate, and no opinions are ever altered. I lack the wisdom to not get involved, perhaps I'll finally get it.

I appreciate an engineering forum, even though I didn't see the necessity. (I don't see why equations cannot be discussed in any thread, but that's just my opinion.) ;-> I've already bookmarked a recommended link (thanks kindly, Mr. Fowler).

Best to all,

L.

"The only gift is a portion of yourself." -Ralph Waldo Emerson

Richard Grogan · « **Reply #10 on:** June 21, 2009, 04:31:52 PM »

The point is that it wasn't deleted, like on SSW. I'm sure Robert has his reasons for parking it there. He has the option to put it back into play, if he wishes. It's not lost in cyber space, like some threads deserve to be, and ultimately end up.

I think the engineering board is a great idea, and I think Serge is the perfect moderator for it.Having that type info available could be valuable to those who choose to use it. Just my opinion...

billbyles · « **Reply #11 on:** June 21, 2009, 08:32:53 PM »

Quote from: Richard Grogan on June 21, 2009, 04:31:52 PM

The point is that it wasn't deleted, like on SSW. I'm sure Robert has his reasons for parking it there. He has the option to put it back into play, if he wishes. It's not lost in cyber space, like some threads deserve to be, and ultimately end up.

I think the engineering board is a great idea, and I think Serge is the perfect moderator for it.Having that type info available could be valuable to those who choose to use it. Just my opinion...

Do you really believe that Robert will put the thread back into play? He was making some statements that he couldn't back up and got called on it; so, thread effectively deleted.

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2009, 09:27:45 PM »

You be careful, guys, you're gonna ruin a good thing...

Russell Shaffer · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2009, 09:54:34 PM »

Ray is right. Think about who pays the bills. The boss is right, there are other channels and this one belongs to him. Rightfully so. I sure don't want to try running a forum and dealing with the politics.

Ted Fancher · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2009, 10:25:26 PM »

Quote from: Russell Shaffer on June 21, 2009, 09:54:34 PM

Ray is right. Think about who pays the bills. The boss is right, there are other channels and this one belongs to him. Rightfully so. I sure don't want to try running a forum and dealing with the politics.

HI Russell,

There must have been something posted between the last time I checked it out and when it was removed. I certainly hadn't seen anything political in up til then. (We are talking about the thread where there was banter about the pros and cons of an analytical (mathematical) approach to improving the breed, aren't we?

I sure hope it was simply something nasty I hadn't yet read because the material that was there was of great interest to a lot of us (If so, I totally back Sparky because ad hominem attacks shouldn't be tolerated on his board. Strong, respectful, well argued differences of opinion do NOT constitute ad hominem attacks in and of themselves, however [although it is certainly possible for immature individuals to drive them that way).

The fact that there were a variety of points of view was the biggest plus of all. If everybody simply rubber stamps a single opinion on a complex subject two things happen. 1. It gets boring very quickly and nobody reads it afater day one, and: 2. Nobody ever learns anything new or has an opportunity to decide for themselves which of a variety of directions they'd prefer to travel themselves.

Ted

RC Storick · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2009, 10:37:38 PM »

Thanks Ted.

Now to eveyone else who questions why I do things. It was my thread and I can do as I wish. It always the same guys bantering the same BS. Walk softly you know who you are.

RC Storick · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2009, 10:39:20 PM »

Quote from: billbyles on June 21, 2009, 08:32:53 PM

Do you really believe that Robert will put the thread back into play? He was making some statements that he couldn't back up and got called on it; so, thread effectively deleted.

You can beleive what you wish Bill. If you want to discuss how smart you are, start your own thread..The topic was way off weight and you know it all anyway.

Russell Shaffer · « **Reply #17 on:** June 22, 2009, 07:45:14 AM »

Ted, I think I used the wrong word. I just meant to describe the difficulties of running a board like this one. I sure wouldn't want to try it. This discussion was not political and you are certainly correct about learning from different ideas and methods.

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2009, 08:59:32 AM »

One side effect of threads going away is some (like me) start thinking why bother posting anything and might even quit answering questions, offering help or writing how too's which deducts from the overall value and content of the forum for everyone. Am sure I'm not the only one that has had this thought cross his mind. Look at the content on SSW lately compaired to a few years ago, it has deterrated conciderably.

I understand some stuff should be sensored but the moderators need to be carefull how it's handled or the board will loose participants that help make it worth visiting.

Added: On the engineering board.. Don't see the need and probably won't even bother checking it out.

RC Storick · « **Reply #19 on:** June 22, 2009, 09:13:23 AM »

Quote from: Bob Reeves on June 22, 2009, 08:59:32 AM

One side effect of threads going away is some (like me) start thinking why bother posting anything and might even quit answering questions, offering help or writing how too's which deducts from the overall value and content of the forum for everyone. Am sure I'm not the only one that has had this thought cross his mind. Look at the content on SSW lately compaired to a few years ago, it has deterrated conciderably.

I understand some stuff should be sensored but the moderators need to be carefull how it's handled or the board will loose participants that help make it worth visiting.

Added: On the engineering board.. Don't see the need and probably won't even bother checking it out.

To each his own Bob. This thread was way off topic and it has been edited and returned. POST OR NOT. How would you like 2000 guys questioning your opinion and thoughts? Why do you think I have quit posting on my own board? Everyone else is right and I am always wrong. NOT!! you should see the messages I get.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #20 on:** June 22, 2009, 09:40:29 AM »

Robert,

Yea, I'm not much for getting hate mail. We disagree on some design issues. That's fine. As I usually say, that's what I like about this event. Guys can have differences of opinion and argue them. As long as it stays about the topic and doesn't become a personal attack, I think it's fine. I've been told I'm full of crap plenty of times. Sometimes it's valid and I listen. Other times not and I ignore it. You have to keep an open mind or you never learn anything.

Larry Cunningham · « **Reply #21 on:** June 22, 2009, 10:43:42 AM »

Quote from: Robert Storick on June 22, 2009, 09:13:23 AM

To each his own Bob. This thread was way off topic and it has been edited and returned. POST OR NOT. How would you like 2000 guys questioning your opinion and thoughts? Why do you think I have quit posting on my own board? Everyone else is right and I am always wrong. NOT!! you should see the messages I get.

Wow, I never realized 2000 people were disagreeing with you. I do like partitions on this site, making it easy to isolate various interests (e.g. electric). An Engineering partition may be a good idea, and you might consider a Weight partition, to filter out the mashers. If someone has some constructive discussion on weight issues, let them post it there. No hijacking the thread subject.

You're more concerned about people telling you you're wrong than I would be. If everyone is agreeing with you, it's a clear sign you ARE wrong! ;-> In a similar situation, on the other side of technical aspects, I've seen many scorning virtually anything that tried to deal with subjects in a scientific manner, getting upset when the simplest equations appear. Bill Netzband upset many by writing columns about aerodynamics using MATH - quite a few didn't want to hear about any of it because they couldn't follow the algebra. It's human nature to automatically oppose what we don't understand.

I'm always glad to see anyone working to improve our stunt designs on any front. For example, I'd love to see more interesting designs like Bob Hunt's Electric Razor canard. (There's viable discussion on weight, CG, and electric power for canards there..)

Life's too short to be overly concerned about other opinions - you're not harming anyone. Do what YOU want! ;->

Best,

L.

"Man only likes to count his troubles, but he does not count his joys." -Fyodor Dostoyevsky

Bill Morell · « **Reply #22 on:** June 22, 2009, 01:15:00 PM »

Quote from: Bob Reeves on June 22, 2009, 08:59:32 AM

One side effect of threads going away is some (like me) start thinking why bother posting anything and might even quit answering questions, offering help or writing how too's which deducts from the overall value and content of the forum for everyone. Am sure I'm not the only one that has had this thought cross his mind. Look at the content on SSW lately compaired to a few years ago, it has deterrated conciderably.

I understand some stuff should be sensored but the moderators need to be carefull how it's handled or the board will loose participants that help make it worth visiting.

Added: On the engineering board.. Don't see the need and probably won't even bother checking it out.

Bob, there is nothing wrong with the content on SSW whatsoever. It may look like it is small when compared to this forum as there is just the one board. Look at some of the boards on here. Some of the same posts stay at the top for days before anything is added.