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Title: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Shultzie on November 04, 2009, 09:07:40 AM: After all...CLPA, whether we choose to call it a HOBBY, HOBBYSPORT-OR A SPORT....over the decades since the mid 50's attending competition stunt events, one can't help but take notice how serious many of the competitiors have honed their dress code to a fine art.

Bottom line:
Does a CLPA STUNT FLYERS WARDROBE AND DRESS CODE EFFECT HIS SCORE SHEET? :!

If that is true...this model's owner should change his attire S.A.P!
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Vincent Corwell on November 04, 2009, 09:53:16 AM: So Wardrobes fly ?

LL~ LL~ LL~

Vicente
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Dick Pacini on November 04, 2009, 10:07:25 AM: I always felt that a competitor who looked good and had a smooth start-up routine on the circle was more likely to have a higher score. It has to do with appearing that you are able and adept at doing the job at hand.

For example, you call a couple of contractors up to get a quote on home repairs.

The first guy arrives at his appointment late, is shabbily dressed, drives an old beat up truck hand lettered with his name and he seems more suited to labor than business management. In spite of this, he may be very capable and will do an excellent job if given the chance.

The second man arrives on time, is well groomed in clean casual clothes and drives a late model truck with professional business graphics on the doors. This man appears to be very successful and probably his work is top notch.

Now, both men quote the job at about the same price. Who do you think might have the edge?
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Matt Colan on November 04, 2009, 02:04:55 PM: I think it would be if you look and act like a professional, but I'm not going to wear my nice polo shirt to look good, because it would stink of castor oil afterwords, but I do wear a Suffolk Stuntmasters shirt, and a PAMPA polo shirt, that's about as nice dressed up as I'll get, unless I represent the USA on the World Team...
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Steve Fitton on November 04, 2009, 02:51:17 PM: We need more hot chicks flying stunt. Then, wardrobe would be interesting....! VD~
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Clint Ormosen on November 04, 2009, 04:48:45 PM: Quote from: Steve Fitton on November 04, 2009, 02:51:17 PM
We need more hot chicks flying stunt. Then, wardrobe would be interesting....! VD~

Or how 'bout lack of wardrobe!?
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: dennis lipsett on November 04, 2009, 05:40:29 PM: Does anyone here remember Dawn cosmilo?at 14 wearing Navy whites at the nats the year she won. Don't think tha wardrobe hurt her in front of navy judges. Oh and she did fly well also\Dennis
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: steve pagano on November 04, 2009, 06:02:06 PM: So if I have an engine that keeps over heating should i wear my department turn out gear? ;D
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Steve Helmick on November 04, 2009, 06:15:40 PM: Hawaiian shirts are strictly verboten! Especially with plaid golf shorts... LL~ Steve
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Steve Fitton on November 04, 2009, 06:53:30 PM: Quote from: dennis lipsett on November 04, 2009, 05:40:29 PM
Does anyone here remember Dawn cosmilo?at 14 wearing Navy whites at the nats the year she won. Don't think tha wardrobe hurt her in front of navy judges. Oh and she did fly well also\Dennis

This is part of the problem. Dawn was flying stunt before I was born. We need more hot chicks in the 18 to 35 age bracket flying stunt. I can't imagine why they don't show up in droves to participate with fat old guys and toy airplanes in flying stunt....
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Trostle on November 04, 2009, 07:55:24 PM: Who needs girl fliers?

I like the contests where there are groupies.

Keith
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Tom Niebuhr on November 04, 2009, 08:03:04 PM: I used to fly with Dawn, among others. I talked to her brother a few years ago. He said that she is still a looker, but not interested in flying again.

As to the original question. I think that being neatly dressed can't hurt. Certainly being sloppy makes you look unprepared. We don't need white pants. That I credit Bob Gialdini with starting. And not too many us would get away with "Champione's" flag pants. But then again Bob is lots of fun to around.
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Mike Keville on November 04, 2009, 08:06:10 PM: Quote from: Trostle on November 04, 2009, 07:55:24 PM

I like the contests where there are groupies.

Keith

As a known organizer, I'll see what I can do. :P
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Dennis Moritz on November 04, 2009, 08:46:00 PM: I check my underwear for holes.
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Norm Faith Jr. on November 04, 2009, 08:49:20 PM: Read Les McDonald's article in the current "Stunt News," he relates to this subject.
Norm H^^
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Howard Rush on November 04, 2009, 08:55:27 PM: Quote from: Trostle on November 04, 2009, 07:55:24 PM
Who needs girl fliers?

I like the contests where there are groupies.

Keith

There could be groupies
Behind every tree,
But they only have eyes
For the ol' JCT.
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Shultzie on November 04, 2009, 09:06:36 PM: Quote from: Howard Rush on November 04, 2009, 08:55:27 PM
There could be groupies
Behind every tree,
But they only have eyes
For the ol' JCT.
Pretty much the truff'-----with the J IVE COMBAT TEAM around...lots of us had to stay on the da'porch with the little doggies. LL~ Life was a bitch when the JCT showed up at the Combat circles...and even worse for us little doggies...when they started TAKING OVER THE STUNT CIRCLES!! ~^ LL~ H^^
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Shultzie on November 04, 2009, 09:14:06 PM: Quote from: Tom Niebuhr on November 04, 2009, 08:03:04 PM
I used to fly with Dawn, among others. I talked to her brother a few years ago. He said that she is still a looker, but not interested in flying again.

As to the original question. I think that being neatly dressed can't hurt. Certainly being sloppy makes you look unprepared. We don't need white pants. That I credit Bob Gialdini with starting. And not too many us would get away with "Champione's" flag pants. But then again Bob is lots of fun to around.

Ah yes....Dawn with Don's Sting Ray....that old StingRay of mine was truly in great hands...and neva' had it soooooooooooo good. (This photo was taken just before my last offical flight at the Nats where that ol' Merco blew a plug on the first inside square loop? (Too hot to handle?)
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Dennis Moritz on November 05, 2009, 04:46:43 AM: I would dress as Bozo, but the big shoes...
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Bradley Walker on November 05, 2009, 09:05:44 AM: Note latest issue of SN. They had to get a guy on there in white pants!!!
(http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14769.0;attach=51879;image)
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Shultzie on November 05, 2009, 10:04:34 AM: "HEY GIERKE NURSEMAID!!! HELP!!!!
Pour me a "Bloody Mary" from that thermos' in your tool box! Also a half dozen asprins from that "nurse-purse" around your shoulder would be great, while you are at it?

That gig last night at the Officers Club at Olatha really did a number on my pea-brain cells!! :X S?P LL~ LL~
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: RandySmith on November 05, 2009, 01:45:01 PM: Quote from: Trostle on November 04, 2009, 07:55:24 PM
Who needs girl fliers?

I like the contests where there are groupies.

Keith

Hmmmm just where are those located at???? ;D enquiring minds wanna know #^
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: billbyles on November 05, 2009, 05:02:41 PM: Quote from: RandySmith on November 05, 2009, 01:45:01 PM

Hmmmm just where are those located at???? ;D enquiring minds wanna know #^

Well, it's like Larry Cunningham said "I'm only in it for the money and the wimmin!"
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Paul Smith on November 05, 2009, 07:07:58 PM: A lot of flyers over the years have believed and practiced the dress for success theory.

Currently, there is stunt flyer around here who dresses better than anybody else for practice, then changes to a better and freshly cleaned wardrobe for the official flight. He wins every time. too.
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Howard Rush on November 05, 2009, 07:28:23 PM: Women go crazy for a sharp-dressed man.
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Steve Fitton on November 05, 2009, 07:53:44 PM: Quote from: RandySmith on November 05, 2009, 01:45:01 PM

Hmmmm just where are those located at???? ;D enquiring minds wanna know #^

Somebody photoshopped a bunch of belly dancer chicks into a pic from the Northwest Regionals a few years back. I suspect the "groupies" are ficticious.
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Howard Rush on November 05, 2009, 08:37:39 PM: Not photoshopped. Those were real. Just another case of an East Coast stunter not believing all the cool stuff going on out here. In retrospect, though, at least some cropping of that picture could have been done.
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Dennis Moritz on November 06, 2009, 10:55:41 AM: I have always admired Bob Lampione's propeller hat.
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: RandySmith on November 06, 2009, 11:31:38 AM: Quote from: Howard Rush on November 05, 2009, 07:28:23 PM
Women go crazy for a sharp-dressed man.

and it helps if ya have a pair of those "cheap sunglasses"
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Paul Walker on November 06, 2009, 01:11:06 PM: Quote from: Matt Colan on November 04, 2009, 02:04:55 PM
I think it would be if you look and act like a professional, but I'm not going to wear my nice polo shirt to look good, because it would stink of castor oil afterwords, but I do wear a Suffolk Stuntmasters shirt, and a PAMPA polo shirt, that's about as nice dressed up as I'll get, unless I represent the USA on the World Team...

There is a solution to the castor oil small. I understand that someone else in the NW is making that conversion soon!
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Howard Rush on November 06, 2009, 01:33:19 PM: I stopped using castor oil in August.
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Matt Colan on November 06, 2009, 01:46:09 PM: I thought I was going to take a hit with you ECL guys, but I left it out there. Thing is, if I went to ECL, I would spend quite a bit of money to get one setup, which is why I will probably stick with I/C CL.
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Jerry Leuty on November 06, 2009, 03:42:00 PM: Does dress make a difference in a stunt pilot's score? I am not one easily swayed by attire. Now if some one like Loni Anderson of WKRP fame walked out on the circle to take the handle I would probably have a hard time watching all of the maneuvers............airplane maneuvers that is. But with hairy legged old men it does not make a bit of difference who has the handle, if they blow a corner with a dip too close to the ground the points come off I don't care if they are dressed in a tux. The same is true with an Intermediate flyer. If they make an excellent reverse wing over while wearing jeans and T-shirt then the points go up. I am a tough judge I know. And this is just a sport with bragging rights. But if you are going to be good at some thing then practice. But we all have our bad flights that we just cannot get it right. Accept it and cheer for the one who was lucky that day. This ain't no high $$$$$$$$ tournament with a new Lexus waiting at the end of the day.

Jerry
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Russell Shaffer on November 06, 2009, 07:25:04 PM: Steve, I just saw this (gone for a week), but anything from the Northwest is absolutely, positively, without any doubt the absolute truth. Shucks, we don't even know what that Photoshop stuff is. Maybe the little place in the mall parking lot where you used to drop off your film? We still do that out here.
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Norm Faith Jr. on November 06, 2009, 09:44:13 PM: What was the year?
Norm
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: dennis lipsett on November 07, 2009, 12:17:38 AM: You mean that the baseball cap, white tea shirt that leaves half the gut hanging out and a pair of shorts that ends with some chicken legs that look like they can barely hold up the rest of the package isn't proper stunt attire. A lot of guys are going to be really mad at someone soon.
dennis
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Trostle on November 07, 2009, 02:04:23 AM: Quote from: Norm Faith Jr. on November 06, 2009, 09:44:13 PM
What was the year?
Norm

Don can probably verify, but this was at the 68 Olathe Nats.

Keith
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: john e. holliday on November 07, 2009, 09:01:30 AM: If Elwyn sees this he might a picture of me and then you can why my scores are low.

Now, how many remember Howard Rush and his clown suit when he was flying combat?
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Ted Fancher on November 07, 2009, 10:14:41 AM: Quote from: Norm Faith Jr. on November 06, 2009, 09:44:13 PM
What was the year?
Norm

1967, Los Alimitos, I'll bet. Just looked at some old pix Shareen digitalized from slides last night and had a couple of Dave and the Novi as well. Also a picture of Shultzies ship which was pretty cool also. There are several pictures of Bart Klanski's winning Tempest with the sliding canopy that was always "opened" after every flight; Dick Mathis' second place Chizler and a bunch of others. Good memories. She even found a couple of pictures of the airplane I flew there which was called the Pirouette. Three shades of metallic blue with red, white and blue "graphics" or what passed for them in the days of masking tape and #11 blades. It was the first ship that I built with a gimmick that later became sort of identified with me--the double nostriled cowling. It was really nothing more than a stretched Ares with a bigger and longer tail and full ribs every inch instead of the false ones.

Ted Fancher
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Shultzie on November 07, 2009, 10:14:54 AM: Quote from: Trostle on November 07, 2009, 02:04:23 AM

Don can probably verify, but this was at the 68 Olathe Nats.

Keith

RIGHT ON KEITH... OLATHA68!! H^^
Also the same year that he introduced his beautiful All American Eagle with throttle control....the same one that Paul Walker's new Electric Eagle that has seen so much success this year.
Ted is right about all of us first seeing that beautiful Novi 3 at the 67 nats in Calif, however this shot was at Olatha in 68...
(Check Dave's waist line....he was constantly complaining how much he needed to take better care of his health, but check this photo of Dave at the 69 nats...where he switched from White to dark Navy blue and GADS! HE SLIMMED HIS WEIGHT DOWN...A SKINNY LEAN MEAN FLYIN MACHINE!
last shot at 67 nats...showing Dave Geirke in center background with his beautiful Novi 3 and Dave on this white shirt...he even went with the Stars n' bars logo!!!
How's that for understated gamesmanship? LL~
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Shultzie on November 07, 2009, 10:46:40 AM: HEY KEITH...AND TED!!

Keith...after looking closely at this crowd shot I took at the 67 NATS...I found another that shows not only the same SHIRT but also the young man standing on Dave's left in both photos...shot at the 67 Nats..wearing the same striped shirt and white shorts?
Check out this last photo...

HEY TED! MY APOLOS!!! ~^
IT APPEARS THAT YOUR MEMORY BANK IS IN TACT BETTA THAN EITHER KEITH'S OR MY MUDDLED MINDS EYE!!!

THUS ALMOST PROVING THAT KEITH AND I ARE WRONG!

(Guess I need to dig out all those old 67 -68 slides again for a BRAIN-RETRAIN!
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Steve Fitton on November 07, 2009, 11:15:53 AM: Quote from: Howard Rush on November 06, 2009, 01:33:19 PM
I stopped using castor oil in August.

Running all synthetic in the RoJett?
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Steve Fitton on November 07, 2009, 11:18:38 AM: Quote from: Russell Shaffer on November 06, 2009, 07:25:04 PM
Steve, I just saw this (gone for a week), but anything from the Northwest is absolutely, positively, without any doubt the absolute truth. Shucks, we don't even know what that Photoshop stuff is. Maybe the little place in the mall parking lot where you used to drop off your film? We still do that out here.

Around here they used to call those little places Fotomat, not photoshop, but I get the idea. y1
I still take my best pictures with my old film spotmatic or K-1000, but, we don't seem to have any real or imaginary bellydancers or other stunt groupies in these parts to photograph. :'(
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Steve Fitton on November 07, 2009, 11:21:24 AM: Quote from: john e. holliday on November 07, 2009, 09:01:30 AM
If Elwyn sees this he might a picture of me and then you can why my scores are low.

Now, how many remember Howard Rush and his clown suit when he was flying combat?

I've seen photos of the clown suit getup. Maybe it needs to be published again. Combat fliers seem to always wear rather strange attire. At Brodaks one time half the combat guys seemed to be dressed like Oddball's people from Kelly's Heroes...
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Shultzie on November 07, 2009, 05:10:53 PM: Quote from: Steve Fitton on November 07, 2009, 11:21:24 AM
Combat fliers seem to always wear rather strange attire. At Brodaks one time half the combat guys seemed to be dressed like Oddball's people from Kelly's Heroes...
Howard...
Here is a photo of young Charlie Hough...We called him "Little Huff" LL~ These guys would always wear strange sweat shirts and black Cowboy hats?
Nice shirt huh? LL~
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Ted Fancher on November 07, 2009, 10:47:34 PM: Quote from: Shultzie on November 07, 2009, 10:46:40 AM
HEY KEITH...AND TED!!

Keith...after looking closely at this crowd shot I took at the 67 NATS...I found another that shows not only the same SHIRT but also the young man standing on Dave's left in both photos...shot at the 67 Nats..wearing the same striped shirt and white shorts?
Check out this last photo...

HEY TED! MY APOLOS!!! ~^
IT APPEARS THAT YOUR MEMORY BANK IS IN TACT BETTA THAN EITHER KEITH'S OR MY MUDDLED MINDS EYE!!!

THUS ALMOST PROVING THAT KEITH AND I ARE WRONG!

(Guess I need to dig out all those old 67 -68 slides again for a BRAIN-RETRAIN!

Well, shucks Shultzie. If you need more proof that's none other than our own Phil Granderson with the deep tan and the big "PG" on his shirt posing jauntily just to Dave's right. He's since added another initial--I guess so the JCT will balance out with the PTG. I think he picked the T by wanting to be just like Ted. VD~ VD~

Ted
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Shultzie on November 09, 2009, 03:00:18 PM: Quote from: Ted Fancher on November 07, 2009, 10:47:34 PM
Well, shucks Shultzie. I think he picked the T by wanting to be just like Ted. VD~ VD~Ted

Ted....Now that you mention it... LL~All of us in those early daze wanted to have as good artistical' talents as you were blessed with...
Speaking of WHITE NURSES OUTFITS...sooooooooo many of us were impressed by our mentor Bob Gialdini...
Even Geirke admited to Tim Dunlop, Vance (see attached photos...that I have posted before)and I at the 68 Nationals...that he too started wearing those infamously famous NURSE OUTFITS....that just maybe...even Bob Gialdini was pretty much the first CLPA flyer to "mimmmmmmick' the NAVY PERSONEL nursemaid white outfits...that just maaaaaaaaaaaaybe the thought might glean a favorable glance from the Navy judging staff?? NAWWW~ LL~
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Dick Pacini on November 09, 2009, 03:32:08 PM: A little off topic, but does anyone remember Gene Shaffer's rental car at the '73 Nats? He had a huge figure strapped onto the roof. Maybe a chicken or a clown, but it was definitely huge and drew attention. I wonder if he got appearance points for it.
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Shultzie on November 09, 2009, 08:03:16 PM: Quote from: Dick Pacini on November 09, 2009, 03:32:08 PM
A little off topic, but does anyone remember Gene Shaffer's rental car at the '73 Nats? He had a huge figure strapped onto the roof. Maybe a chicken or a clown, but it was definitely huge and drew attention. I wonder if he got appearance points for it.

I am not sure if Gene received appearence points....but I am certain that if you wore that old
"nurses outfit today...YOU' GET LOTS OF PAIN N AGONY SYMPATHY VOTES for originality?
Dick..
Did you heal all right after this snapshot was taken?
Title: Re: Does a CLPA Flyers WARDROBE actually effect a competitior's score sheet???
Post by: Dick Pacini on November 09, 2009, 09:01:51 PM: Quote from: Shultzie on November 09, 2009, 08:03:16 PM

Dick..
Did you heal all right after this snapshot was taken?

Yes, I was off work for almost a year, but eventually bounced back. My right hand will still swell up if I get a bug bite or bang it on something, now some 36 years later.