Looking for a new profile stunt kit

[Matthew Brown]

I'm looking for another stunt kit to build. I much prefer profiles. I've looked through everything Brodak offers and nothing really jumped out at me. I'm wanting a regular .35-.40 size profile, flapped with rakish, sharp lines. Whatever I end up with, I intend to power it with electric.
Any suggestions?

Thanks, Matt

[Trostle]

If you cannot find anything from the Brodak catalog, you might try Eric Rule at RSM.  Lots of profiles and he offers electric packages.

http://www.rsmdistribution.com/index-2.htm

Keith

[Sean Boggs]

It's hard to beat a Sig twister or skyray or banshee.
http://www.sigmfg.com/cgi-bin/dpsmart.exe/IndexAircraftF.html?E+Sig

[Dan McEntee]

  Kit bash something you have already built into something that fits your tastes. Keep any successful moments and basic wing, but change wing tips, flap shapes, fuse outline, tail surfaces, to fit what you want. Tracing paper or any kind of light paper laid over the existing plans lets you create what pleases your eye.
   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

[Tim Wescott]

  Kit bash something you have already built into something that fits your tastes. Keep any successful moments and basic wing, but change wing tips, flap shapes, fuse outline, tail surfaces, to fit what you want. Tracing paper or any kind of light paper laid over the existing plans lets you create what pleases your eye.
   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

What Dan said!  Find something close to what you want change it.  Consider getting a wing kit from Brodak and scratch-building the rest.

[Mike Griffin]

Matt would something like this in electric interest you?

Mike

[Matthew Brown]

I'm actually getting close to finishing up a Sig Twister now. It is to be my stunt trainer. Its getting an FP .40 for power. After that is a Nobler Kit also with FP 40 power.
This new profile I want to be a pure competition model. I have considered rolling my own so to speak. I made a post about design generalities in the stunt design subforum. I didn't really consider a kit bash but that may be the best way to go. Now I need to look over Brodak's and RSM's profile offerings again with an eye toward bashing what I want. The idea of a wing kit and building around it might be good too but much more work and without a good feel for the geometry of a good design, I would likely end up a bit disappointed with performance unless guys in the design subforum can give me some good numbers to work with.

For the record, I flew combat competitively back in the '80s. I got burnt out on the constant building and repairing required and went to RC. Got burnt out on modeling altogether around 1990. Got back into RC again in '99 and was getting bored by summer 2001 when I saw a guy hovering and doing all kinds of stuff with a profile rc that I'd never seen. I am still hooked by the RC 3D bug both profiles and helis. My desire to fly some CL again has come back. After sport flying a couple of my old combat planes last year and into this year, I've decided to try my hand at stunt. I'm flying with a good group of guys in Mooresville IN in the Indy Sportliners club.
I usually spend a day or two up at AMA during the Nats every year and I'm sure I saw a stunter there in years past that is the "design" I'm seeing in my head and want to build. I can even kind of see the color scheme.

Thanks for the suggestions!
Matt

[Matthew Brown]

Matt would something like this in electric interest you?

Mike

Yes Mike, That's very close to what I am seeing in my head. I like the sharper lines of the fin and maybe a bit of sharpening the canopy lines and it's close enough for me. Is that an available kit?
Those wouldn't be my color choices but it looks great! I'm thinking more military jet scheme.

Matt

[Mike Griffin]

Matt this is a design by a good friend of mine who passed away, Allen Brickhaus.  This is his Buccaneer 746 P.  I put this kit out a few years ago through RSM Distribution. I don't produce kits anymore but this kit is still available through RSM . This kit was produced for a Super Tiger .51 glow engine and this picture is my own personal build and that is the engine shown in The picture.  I was talking with Eric Rule at RSM two days ago about having him laser cut another one for me only for electric power and he told me it could easily be done.

Matt this was a "short kit". Meaning that all the laser cut parts needed to build the model are included in the kit as well as the plans and landing gear.  There is no hardware , sticks or sheeting in the kit.  You would have to supply those items as you choose.

It has been a while since I have built this plane and I cannot remember off the top of my head but I will be happy to dig out the plans tomorrow and give you the wingspan, area, etc.  it is a fairly good size model and you would need a .46 equivalent electric motor and system to power it.  That can also be obtained through RSM.  Although it is a profile, the fuselage is built up and sheeted with 1/16 balsa.  It builds extremely light.

Look for a post from me tomorrow and I will have that info for you.  I will probably send it in a private message.

Kindest regards,

Mike

[wwwarbird]

 Here you go...

 http://www.builtrightflyright.com/2014/kits/sakitumi_E.c.2014.htm

 or...

 http://www.builtrightflyright.com/2014/kits/pkell2014.htm

[builditright]

Hi Wayne, thanks for the referral..


Hi Matt,

Please check out our website also, we have several profiles,
some of them have already been modified for electric motors
and battery mounting. The models that are not electric ready
can be converted for you at no extra charge.

Our site is: http://www.builtrightflyright.com/

Thanks for looking...

[M Spencer]

I saw a guy hovering and doing all kinds of stuff[/quote

[Mike Griffin]

Matt here are the specs on the 746P Buccaneer


   

Wingspan - 57 3/4"

Wing area - 642 Sq In

Fuselage Length - 41"

Nose Moment - 9 3/4"

Tail Moment - 16"

Chord - 10" at root

Root Rib - 2 1/4" thick

One of the changes will be that the tail area will be increase to 29% of the total wing and flap area with the stab being 55% of the area and the elevator being 45% of the area.

Engine Rec -  .46 - .60

Hope this helps

Mike

[Matthew Brown]

I'm thinking I'll give Eric a call tomorrow and see what he says.

Matt

[Dwayne]

  Kit bash something you have already built into something that fits your tastes. Keep any successful moments and basic wing, but change wing tips, flap shapes, fuse outline, tail surfaces, to fit what you want. Tracing paper or any kind of light paper laid over the existing plans lets you create what pleases your eye.
   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

This!

Built around a Cardinal wing and numbers, LA 46.

[Gordan Delaney]

A very good Profile is the Pathfinder set up for a .40 to 46 engine. Flies great too. Brodak kits them/.

Gordy

[Matthew Brown]

A very good Profile is the Pathfinder set up for a .40 to 46 engine. Flies great too. Brodak kits them/.

Gordy

That was one that I really liked and it would be close enough but they're out of stock.

Matt

[Dennis Moritz]

Did you call Brodak. Website not always accurate.

[Norm Faith Jr.]

Here you go...

 http://www.builtrightflyright.com/2014/kits/sakitumi_E.c.2014.htm

 or...

 http://www.builtrightflyright.com/2014/kits/pkell2014.htm

The Profile Stiletto is a magnificent kit. I'm coming close to finishing mine, the laser cut parts practically fall in place. Can't wait to get it in the air.

[Matthew Brown]

It appears I have a Brodak Pathfinder kit headed my way. It may not be exactly what I had in mind but it will be close enough. Thanks for the suggestions and they give me ideas for future builds.

Matt

[55chevr]

Walter Umland is kitting a Forerunner.  He can do either gas or electric.   Beautiful airplane.

[Wynn Robins]

if you have the ability to build off plans - there are some extremely good profile models out there.
I have plans for probably over 1000 of them

[Randy Cuberly]

Since I haven't seen it mentioned yet, I will do the deed.

If you're really interested in a top level profile stunter there are a couple that shouldn't be over looked.  First is the Larry Cunningham design called Mo'Best.  It's a great looking airplane and is truly engineered to minimize the typical weaknesses of most profiles such as lack of torsional rigidity in the fuselage.  A kit of the Mo'best was produced a while back (I think Mike Griffin had a hand in it) and I don't know if any are still available but it would be worth looking into.  It truly is a great looking and flying profile.

The second one technically may not qualify as a profile even though it actually uses a profile fuselage because it utilizes an inverted engine mount.  It's called the "Imitation".  It was designed by Ted Fancher and in my opinion (and several other folks I know) is one of the best flying CL Stunters of any kind.  It's a little larger than what you specified in your post and requires at least a "slimer" ST46, but could probably easily be converted to electric.  In fact I'd be surprised if several haven't already been built that way!  Not sure where to get the plans but I'm sure someone on here does!

Randy Cuberly

[Steve Helmick]

Didn't Ultimate Hobby Products (UHP) kit the Imitation for awhile? Laser cut wing ribs might still be available, even if the kit is not. Wish somebody would start kitting it again. WU has a bunch of kits of all sorts, as does RSM, so check their websites.

Real hard to beat a kit-built Pathfinder, however. Gordan recommended it, but didn't mention that he also designed it. He's one of the good guys.  Steve 

[Mike Griffin]

Since I haven't seen it mentioned yet, I will do the deed.

If you're really interested in a top level profile stunter there are a couple that shouldn't be over looked.  First is the Larry Cunningham design called Mo'Best.  It's a great looking airplane and is truly engineered to minimize the typical weaknesses of most profiles such as lack of torsional rigidity in the fuselage.  A kit of the Mo'best was produced a while back (I think Mike Griffin had a hand in it) and I don't know if any are still available but it would be worth looking into.  It truly is a great looking and flying profile.

The second one technically may not qualify as a profile even though it actually uses a profile fuselage because it utilizes an inverted engine mount.  It's called the "Imitation".  It was designed by Ted Fancher and in my opinion (and several other folks I know) is one of the best flying CL Stunters of any kind.  It's a little larger than what you specified in your post and requires at least a "slimer" ST46, but could probably easily be converted to electric.  In fact I'd be surprised if several haven't already been built that way!  Not sure where to get the plans but I'm sure someone on here does!

Randy Cuberly

As Randy pointed out I did kit Larry's MoBest after a ton of groundwork was done by Geoff Goodworth, Mike Nelson, And Bill Jacklin in what was a truly international effort to ge this model to a kit form.  I think I am leaving someone else out who worked on the project but I am having a mental block right now. Eric Rule told me when he did the laser cutting that there was more balsa in the plane than in a Thundergazer.  That is a lot of balsa for a profile.

Although I am not actively producing kits anymore, that kit is still available by special order on demand.

These two Mo Best was built by Mike Nelson in England

Thank you Randy.

Mike

[Tim Wescott]

The second one technically may not qualify as a profile even though it actually uses a profile fuselage because it utilizes an inverted engine mount.

If you're talking about profile for competition, that depends on what region you're in.  I know that on West Coast an Imitation is legal to compete with in profile.  My understanding is that Midwestern states under the influence of the SIG contest would not.  It's all local.  Get the rules for the local contest.