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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: jose modesto on October 23, 2013, 10:54:47 AM
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OPEN LETTER TO PAMPA DISTRIC 1-2 and 3. Looking at the west coast contest and the LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION,it makes me nostalgic to the days when our contest used to look like that. YES YES I know our guys are older and many have moved to warmer climates. There are a number of top flyers in our area that if we make a commitment our contest could look like the WEST COAST.
My opening is for the 3 districts above to select a contest in their area,were we as a community will attend.
In NYC in the late 80's to 2000 our meets attracted the best in our disticts Windy,hunt,,Cassale,Rogers, Buso,Suares,ETC.
Lately the attendance to our local contest have been abysmal. The NYC club no longer holds a contest as our neighbor NJ flyers are having difficulty traveling to our contest.
Here are my three contest that have the room and the staff to run such a meet.
District one stunt in the Berkshire Hummel contest
District 2 NJ and NYC need to get together to select a contest. NYC two paved and two grass circles. Pal park three circles
District 3 Jim Cole as I hear it's a great site.
Hunt,Suares,Palko,Weader,steveY,Hummel,Reed,Modesto,Demauro,W Moore,Sina,BANJOCK,Ostella,Beekman,Cooper, Giacabone, Cook,Cambel,Midgly,Lampione,Borelli, Damarell,krough Etc.
Guys we can make a comeback. Let's get together support one contest in each district.
Jose Modesto
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Participation has been down at all contests in District 11 (including British Columbia), except NW CL Regionals...and that was probably because it was advertised as likely being the last one. There were still lots of people who didn't show up for that one, but had in the past. Price of gas, old age, cost of motels, old age, cost of dining out, old age.
...and the CD's are tired. Need more folks to show up and work, vs. show up and flap their yaps while watching others work. If the membership won't show up for the meetings, they won't show up and help run a contest. There are lots of things that need to be done, and it usually falls on just a handful of people to do it all. R%%%% Steve
PS: Good post! BOM wasn't mentioned once...
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I'd help out Jose but, I'm stuck frying my a$% off in down here in Texas!!
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Steve BOM. We on east coast don't have to interpret BOM,20 pts for all. Just come and fly.
Our models will stack up against the best in the country as to Originaly,workmanship,finish.
Don't stir the pot Steve. LOL
Milton Help???? Stay on the shady side of the street.
Yes we are getting older I'm going on 58 and im young for our contest circuit.
These next four years maybe the end for us in the North East let's go out with a BANG.
Jose Modesto
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Jose.....it always seemed to me that the District II guys were quick to criticize, but they never stepped up with a CD license or ideas....
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Yes we are getting older I'm going on 58 and im young for our contest circuit.
These next four years maybe the end for us in the North East let's go out with a BANG.
Jose Modesto
You are 58?!? WOW I would have never thought that. At the nats your just big kid! HAHAHAAHAHAA!!
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Hi Jose,
I think it is a good idea. We can probably put together a 4 contest circuit and then have clubs and PAMPA VP's promote and encourage attendance.
I say 4 contest because the Jim Coll contest in Hurlock MD is in AMA District 4.
For this year we could have had:
June 2: GSCB June Stunt Meet (District 2)
July 29: Philly Flyers, Neshaminy State Park (District 3)
August 10/11 : Jim Coll Contest (District 4)
August 17/18 : Stunt in the Berkshires (District 1).
Note that this involves 6-8 hours of driving for those traveling between the Northernmost and Southernmost locations.
What do you think of that? Personally I think I might be able to travel once a month to a contest in another state.
It would be better if one of the District 1 or 4 contests was in September so as to space things out a bit.
-Chris
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Jose,
We are very fortunate in District VIII, TX, LA, ARK, OK, NM and have contests almost every week end from Feb to Nov. The Dallas Model Airplane Assoc. (DMAA) has over 100 members and most are very active. Go to the DMAA web site and the District VIII events are there.
We can also say that all events and special events are flown in the district. It is not just stunt.
We have numerous National Champions in many events. Most stunt contest have B.O.M and Appearance enforced in Expert but not all. We probably have more contests than any other area of the country because we encourage people to participate in more than just stunt.
Navy Carrier is actually starting to grow due to Bill Bischoff's efforts with planes for newbies.
Racing is also very active.
The Baton Rouge people are encouraging Warbird Stunt for profiles OR full bodied airplanes that resemble Warbirds or all eras.
Look at the pictures from last weeks contest.
The DMAA contest held this last Labor Day Weekend was one of the most heavily entered events in years.
The only thing that I can say is to look beyond stunt and encourage flying more in other avenues. Encourage some of the old timers in events such as carrier to fly. Don't be turned off by the current "hanging" at low speed. It is not easy to accomplish. but it doesn't have to be a major part either.
Encourage 1/2A scale ala Uncle Mikey in Tucson.
I have found that I really enjoy seeing and appreciating these events more than I ever did in the past.
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You are 58?!? WOW I would have never thought that. At the nats your just big kid! HAHAHAAHAHAA!!
I'm 60 and still a kid. When you get closer 70-80 don't look that old.
I think 50 is a good holding age so this is where I will stay for a while
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Chris. The challenge with the jersey contest is that the club field is not a good venue for a large contest. Pal park fits in a little better as it has 3 paved circles. CB field is challenging to say the least. The Bugs are man eater size
Philli is always very close to NATS and the field is always challenging with obstructions.
Brodack has just a couple of years to go before they close the fly-in.
Let's try to get one in June,one July one august and sept and last October. Travel contest one a month.
Doug I feel like a kid at the NATS.great planes,great people,real good flying. Now Munci ??????
Tom my challenge with other events is I don't do any. My initial conversations with Bob H was to have a regional meet with all the disciplines presented. The challenge is to get a site large enough to accommodate all. Getting consensus as to dates. The-racers are very territorial,combat guys need grass speed who nows.
The best venue for a stunt contest is my field in queens NY two paved two grass circles protected by a 8 foot chain link fence. Most are leery of NYC. The park borders two of the highest income communities in NYC. Safety has NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE.
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I'm 60 and still a kid. When you get closer 70-80 don't look that old.
I noticed that, too... Old people are always 30 years away.
Brett
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We in North East,have many top twenty flyers we just have to make a commitment to each other to support our local/regional contest circuit. 5 months four contest not much to keep a dying event a little longer.
As to beutifull models, Bob Lampione sent out photos of his new United built from Brodack kit.
Stunt flying,building and finishing is AN AMERICAN ART FORM,let's keep it alive.See Bob's model.
When you see the photos a true American Artist at work.YES CANOPY DETAIL.
I'm suppose to be the designated flyer for this model.I will be nervous flying a piece of ART.
Also I had a Back injury and I haven't flown a model since the NATS that's all I need more pressure
Jose Modesto.
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I noticed that, too... Old people are always 30 years away.
Brett
Yep! I was at a dance event a few weeks ago and I asked one of the gals "what's that old guy over there's name?"
She replied " That's Bob", then she looked at me for a few seconds and said "Dude, that guys 10 years younger than you" :o
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Jose,
At the last fun fly in Flushing, we discussed bringing back at least one for sure and most likely both contests in 2014. This was met with a sound approval from all that were there. I am sorry for not informing you of this as it was during a bad week for your back and when I saw you last week I just forgot to bring it up. It's time to bring back the Flushing Meets as our attendance has improved and we can now get the help needed to run one. We should also be able to draw enough people to hold all PAMPA classes. Personally, I would like to see 2 contests as long as the first goes well and I think it will. Flushing will be back on the map in 2014!!!
William
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William good news. I'm really trying to go a little further and having the 3 districts give each the support so we can have 3 contest like the west coast.
William if we have our flushing contest and we don't reach out to district 1-2 and 3 it will be like 2012!just our club.
The leadership in our club has not been open to inviting others and at times antagonistic to our closes neighbors. This attitude has manifested in their avocating against going to other local contest.
The first fun fly was a club only affair were the food was allocated to our club and any visitors were excluded.
This type of behavior MUST STOP.
There are very few of us that share the love and passion for this event,it's time that we drop all the nonsense and enjoy the event with our fellow travelers.
Guys look around as a group we can have some great shoot outs if we come together and support each district.
The great mass cup is now a local club contest it used to be a big thing. Red reinhard cup also important contest minimal attendance. Let's pick four contest for 2014 and support each other
Jose Modesto
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Jose,
Mistakes were made with the first fun fly but the second went very well and attendance was really good. We had at least 6 or 7 guys show up that hadn't been to flushing in years we got the word out and made sure that anyone who wanted to come knew about it. We will do much better in 2014 and beyond. We MUST make sure that we are not only open to disricts 1,2 and 3 but to anyone from anywhere who might want to come. As you know I'm trying to make rounds to different contests within about 3 hours flying time of NYC. I had a blast in St. Louis and will try to get to Arkansas. Hopefully, Other people will try to follow my lead and visit us. I know that most people don't work for an airline. but it should be doable for anyone within 3-4 hours driving time. Jose, you have the right attitude and a great idea, I'm with you and will try to do my best to help promote this in 2014. We have a great facility in Flushing!! Lets show it off again like in the past!!
William
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Hey guys look at the map of the good ole USA again. The people in the western half have greater distances to drive than those in the Northeast. While in school in Dallas had a class mate that live in Dallas and stated it was an 8 hour drive to get home. Here in KANSAS the closest contests are in St Louis, Omaha, Tulsa and Topeka. The first three are at least a 4 hour drive. Dallas is 9 hours and Denver is 11 hours. I don't push the speed limit anymore. But, I like your idea of a monthly contest.
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A lot of you guys are in range of our NVCL StuntFest held the 4th weekend in September. We have 2 very nice grass circles, very smooth and short, with take-off pads. very close to I-95 in Northern VA, just outside of DC.
Jim Coll in August also has great flying circles and is very well run.
Scott
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Jose,
I was trying to point out that District VIII has as many or more contests than the west coast.
While you and Bobby have good idea of an all encompassing contest. (Possibly a regional Championships). Smaller contests can work well. 1/2A scale is popping up all over the country and can be held as a low key single event contest. In Dallas we have some contests that have Carrier an Racing only.
LaborDay weekend is our biggest contest with most events. This requires a much larger work load for helpers, tabulators and the CD.
The smaller events are much easier on the C.D.
Doc has also pointed out a common thing for the mid west. For example, I know of no contests that are less than 150 miles from Dallas. Most drives are 3 to 8 hours driving time. This does not stop most from attending. Some people pick their spots, or vary where they go from year to year. But the contests all keep going on.
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Scott R. Is this the best location in District 3. We need imput so we can put a package of contest, to select at least four per year to attend. I know we have busy lives let's make an effort to support our regional contest. Scott is the contest A pure STUNT (Pa)???
Tom as I don't fly any other event my interest is in PA.
We have lots of contest they are lightly attended. Between district 1 and 2 we have nine contest
The Club in our area that has led the way is the GSCB their meets were always a highlight in the contest schedule. Lately the meets are not supported by the local guys let alone having guys travel.
We don't need more contest just a commitment to support them. Nine contest!!! Now add district 3 and the number is over 12.
Jose Modesto
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Jim Damarell and I have been discussing this topic and Jimmy would add a points aspect that would crown a regional champion based on a select number of contest wins. Not all guys attend the NATS this system will allow the local great flier to compare his skills with former champions and a bevy of top 20 NATS flyers.
Jose Modesto
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How do we start?
Currently we have Rich Peabody's web page that has listed all of the contests we have been talking about. People can always get contest information from there.
I think we need to promote contests through our districts via email and maybe postcards via US mail. Not just within your district, but also to the other districts to try and pull people in to your contest.
CD's should try and have some ideas for motels/lodging for folks that need to stay over somewhere.
If you plan to go to a contest in another district, bring your friends!
-Chris
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Chris. Each district should Sellect two contest one before July and one after July. July is NATS Month and many of the top MODELERS (flyers) will be getting prepared for the Big Show. Travel cost to NATS is $1,500+ (cost north east)
We need to devise a selection method for 3 major contest. One in each area with an additional contest as the wildcard The wild card can be in any District.
What aboutnBrodack as a wild card. There are many great flyers that attend Brodack and Not The NAT'S
In District 2=I select the circle Burners June meet. Flushing September contest. This can also be flushing in June with NJ at pal park in sept. Both meets have at least two paved circles.
District 1= Stunt in the Berkshire and I always liked the mass cup. Note: the mass cup has to mean something,the current system for winning the Mass cup makes it less valuable.
District 3=need contest for this district. Scott can you help me flu in this area.
Jose modesto
What about the overall champion. I think the D8 hasna champion as well as D11. What system do you guys use.
Jose Modesto
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:-[ Hey Guys,
Just reading your posts about the contest and I would refer you to Peabody's about CD's.
As you guys are aware I am the only CD in the Flushing NY Area. We do need at least one or two more. It's not that you guy's don't chip in, but with the physical problems I've had it would be nice to have company.
Please think about it and let's get somebody to step up to the plate, as they say.
My best regards to all,
Bob "Champione" Lampione, Now 71 years young and with many thanks to GOD, I'm in remission and enjoying every day that I get up.
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Don't mean to hijack this thread but Bob, I sure would like to see a picture of your latest United. Engine? Reason is that is the #1 candidate for my next Classic plane, have the kit, studying the plans.
OK, you can go back to the original subject of the post...Thanks! 8)
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Here's how the District 11 Champs are determined....click the link, read the system at the bottom of the page! I noticed that I didn't even make the published list, since having turned Expert and not flying Profile anymore (having given Tim my old piece complete, ready to fly). Not a big deal! It is tough to collect points at the contests where there are only 4 entrants, so make sure there's some "canon fodder" LL~ Steve
http://flyinglines.org/Standings.html (http://flyinglines.org/Standings.html)
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Hello Peter, Balsa Butcher,
I don't know how to reduce a picture to put up on forum so I sent you a full resolution picture to your "E" Mail address.
Regards,
Bob Lampione
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Hi Jose,
I am not sure of the history of the scoring system for the Massachusetts Cup. However, the system was designed to allow someone of any skill level to win the Cup. Basically the winner of each skill level has the chance to compete for the Cup by trying to best his winning score in his skill level. It is not perfect but most folks up here seem to like it ok. I don't see it changing to be an Expert-Only Cup any time soon.
We are lucky enough to get sufficient judges, scorers, and support people here for our contests. I am lucky to have Guerry Byers backing me up in my CD duties, and I try to help Bill Hummel where I can. It's great when people try to give back a little to the sport they enjoy.
-Chris
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Chris. Your system is fine as it has become a very local contest and if it works for you guys then great.
No harm intended.
Which contest do you suggest for D1??
Chris if our fate is to continue our decline,with all contest becoming basically club contest then our fate is already here.
Our club now has A FUN FLY.
Look at the attendance the last 3 years for your contest,it compares to our experience were it's basically a club contest.
I have attended the mass cup several times,my recollection was that the cup was desirable and highly contested. Windy,Suares and many others traveled to win that cup.
Flyers outside of D1 no longer travel to this at one time great meet.
Jose Modesto
How do we capture the last light of this American ART FORM here in the north east.
Dave M, Rick C, Will Moore,Steve Y,Suares, Mr Goth and many others LET'S CALL IT A COMBACK.
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Hi Jose,
Well I think the Lee Stunt meet should definitely be on the list. I believe you are in agreement on that one.
Maybe we can get a spring contest going again in District 1. The likely location would be Wrentham, MA.
I am not certain but I think the Lee field is not available then.
I think we definitely have a shot at making something good happen with all this.
-Chris
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Got the pics Bob and another excellent slide show of the plane. Thanks all!, now back to the topic. 8)
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Come to Philly our contest is viable. The Flushing location is intimidating to many. I can't even get my Philly friends to say hello on the LES (Lower East Side of Manhattan). Not a single one willing to face the Holland Tunnel. Many of the Philly Flyers have supported the Garden State Contests over the years. If we don't, it's a matter of scheduling conflicts. Or exhaustion.
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Philly always has a contest the last Sunday in July. What do you mean July is NATs month, so no July contest. We've had these contests for over 20 years. It doesn't cost much to go down the Jersey turnpike and head to Neshaminy. We even have hot food for cheap. And wooden plaques that look good. Come to think of it, haven't seen many flyers from NYC attend. You are certainly welcome and will be welcomed. The Philly Flyers regularly attend other contests. At least nine of us made it to Brodak. Many of us go to Jim Cole. Five of us just got back from Huntersville. We have supported the Garden State Contests over they years. We go there, they come to Neshaminy.
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I think the difficulties of the Neshaminy Field are exaggerated. Garden State, even Huntersville, have challenging fields. Trees near the circles that create wind effects. The Nats of course has straight air. But it frequently kicks up quite a breeze. Unless that breeze hits 20 mph consistently, flights will be official. At those times, and even in milder conditions, I have seen more than a few pilots bail. Besides, why shouldn't a serious contest be a challenge. I fly at Neshaminy all the time, same as Dan Banjok. Mike Palko flew at Neshaminy for many years. Until recently Mike only flew at Neshaminy. If you fly at Garden State, Neshaminy is different, but certainly not more difficult. Every field presents different issues. We fly officials in the rain, don't we. The Neshaminy field, as many of you know, is close to the PA turnpike Bensalem exit. Five or ten minutes away. Which means it's a comparatively easy trip for those from NYC, any place in NJ, and Eastern PA. Maryland flyers, even flyers from further south, regularly make it to our contest.
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Circle Burners in June, Flushing in Sept, and no Philly Flyers contest? Why exclude a contest that continues to draw a significant following.
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Dennis. The initial point is the lack of attendance at local contest. Dennis the contest can rotate from year to year.
One year is CB the next could be phily. The four selected contest should change from year to year as we have over 12 to choose from.
The NATS last year July 16-23 travel home and the next week, is phily not workable for NATS travelers.
Please fight to include your meet in the four contest a year,as you see the NATS and your contest are real close in dates.
Dennis we go back to your guys don't come to my contest I won't go to yours. This is what we are trying to eliminate,by selecting at least four meets,were we as a community support each other.
If the selection is phyli then I will attend your contest. BAD FIELD AND ALL.LOL If the selection is NYC and we are not supported by your guys then this is an exercise in futility.
D1 contest are all a local event
D2 contest CB/ pal park are supported by various clubs.
In your area there use to be a contest held at a govermebt facility,that site was great. Plenty of circles for practice what happened to that site.
Jose Modesto
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All are suggestions worth considering.
When I was in my youth( 1960s), there were numerous AA and even a few AAA contests in the NYC / NJ/ Philadelphia region. My home club from 1965- 1974 was the Union(NJ) Model Airplane Club." UMAC" held an AAA meet every Memorial Day that , IMO, set the standard for one day events . Over 100 contestants and most participated in multiple events. Most of the AA meets had several event options, too, if I recall.
Most clubs then and to an extent now, have a majority of sport flyers and a small core of competition flyers. An even smaller core traveled to the NATS. When it was at Willow Grove , Pa. the local and near local flyers could come for one day to compete or spectate; if they so desired. I would imagine that the same held true for the Glenview, Dallas and Los Alamitos NAVY NATS. Of course, there were those who traveled from distant states ; much as today.
As we all remember- gas , tolls ,meals and even an occasional overnight in a hotel were cheap- even relative to what we spend today. From mid- 90s to 2008, I typically attended several R/C pattern meets each year. But, they involved two or three days because the pattern guys like to drag it out with 6 or 7 rounds.
More time in hotels and greater expenses.
After almost 40 years, I again decided that U/C is great fun and what the heck ; there are 5-7 contests within one hour, so let's give it a go one more time.
The meets are smaller, the entry fees are higher ,the awards are cheaper, but they're still a lot of fun.
I'd like to keep them and would also enjoy some fun fly type events, too.
Personally speaking and please- no offense to anyone, I'm not a fan of city driving and steep bridge and tunnel tolls. When I was 18-21, I drove at a good clip and could deal with aggressive drivers .
Prefer not to do it anymore though...
Hope it doesn't come down to only regional contests. The weather always plays a role( witness a "winded out" recent event) and the odds are if only regional events were held, a good percentage of them would experience weather woes.
Thanks for considering my .02
Frank
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Jose, the intimidation of driving to Flushing is real enough. I don't have a solution for that. I was born and raised in NYC and I avoid that drive on the Beltway. So far only one Philly club member that I know of has driven into Brooklyn, let alone Queens. Traumatized. Thoroughly. ;) No one else I know has ventured. This in the last fifteen years? Going to the Philly field a week after the NATs is just a jog down the NJ and PA turnpike. Over the $!2 bridge (or is it $15 now) and you're at our field in one and a half hours. Not bad. Our field is a challenge, sure. Well you guys are the "top fliers." ;) Our field is no worse than the iconic Garden State where so many "top fliers" deigned to exhibit their rarefied art. :) Besides we cook real food. Frequently wives and girl friends and children attend. We are family friendly. If you guys are so over the top good where is your intestinal fortitude. Beat Dan Banjok, Mike Palko, Joe Adamusko and the rest of us where we live! ;D
You can't really practice at one day contests. Not much anyway. At one time we held our contest at the Willow Grove Naval Air Station. Not possible since 911.
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Jose,
I read your post about our first Fun Fly and the fact that you stated how the food was allocated to our club and any visitors were excluded. I was not going to respond to this, but on behalf of my defense, I feel I should since you made it an issue on this forum.
Being the Treasurer of our club, I felt the club dues could be used to buy food for a Fun Fly and at the same time attract all our club members for a day of flying and fun. When I brought this up to the members everybody was in favor. I did this mainly because we were not getting attendance from other clubs for our contests, and I was trying to keep our club together. I did not advertise this to other clubs because I felt it would be very cold to break for lunch and not include visitors. Almost everybody understood my feelings and agreed with me, but there are always a couple of people who don't.
So there is no need for you to say "this type of behavior MUST STOP". If somebody doesn't take the initiative to do something nothing gets done.
As Will DeMauro said, at our next Fun Fly it was discussed having at least one contest next year. As a matter of fact, I am the one who suggested it. In fact, I showed a sample certificate that I made on the computer to be awarded at the contests, and everybody approved it. Of course you would have known about this if you had been there.
So, for anybody that is interested in our contests, we are planning on having one Labor Day weekend as we have done in the past. I will post all the details on this forum next year.
Ron Heckler
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Hi Frank. Say hello to your son. Always nice to chat with you at the NATs.
Dennis
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I am willing to give both the Flushing and Philly contests a shot. Unfortunately I am not one of your top fliers (yet! might take a few more decades) but maybe I can kidnap one to bring along. I have not checked the map but I am guessing 6hrs for me to Philly from Boston.
We should definitely work together on contest dates, at least as far as avoiding conflicts.
Somebody somewhere has a complaint about each and every contest site. No where is perfect for everyone.
-Chris
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Hi Jose. Always nice to chat with you. Perhaps we need to take a positive look at this. Upbeat. How to do that. Also, there is an obvious omission here, far as contests go. Where is Brodak in this mix? Fabulous facility, best of hosts, great fliers and sportsmen. Practice. Practice. Practice. If you like. An unequaled festive control line event. In district 3. Attendance rivals the hallowed NATs.
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Gentlemen, I think it is a great idea that club's try to be more supportive of each other. After returning to control line flying after a long absence I found many things missing. Local hobby shops are almost non-existant, almost everything has to be ordered online. God forbid you forget something they want to charge you crazy shipping rates on small orders. I hooked up with the Philly Flyers, and found a great bunch of guys ready willing and able to get me started flying control line again. Their help has been wonderful. What seems to be missing are young people. I think all the clubs should try to get younger kids interested in flying. I know its not easy in this the computer age, kids would rather play x-box than toss a hand launch glider at the local school yard. Do we need to schudule exibitions at our fields? Where we fly a neshaminy is pretty secluded in the 70s we flew at the Bucks Co. tech school right off one of the main drags in levittown we used to get 10 or 15 people stop in every Sunday to watch us fly. Many new flyers got started just driving by.
Just my H.O.
Rich
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Ron low blow as to me not attending fun fly.you know my health issues, i could not WALK. Haven't flown a model since July 25. Last,I sent you Email after July 23 2013 stating that I DID NOT WAT TO RECEIVE ANY EMAILS FROM YOU AND I WAS NO LONGER A CLUB MEMBER.
Ron the dates for the fun fly were also changed at the last minute by you, were some guys came to original date and were not aware of the change.
Now let's be real as to why you only invited the flushing club members. You and others were pissed at NJ guys for not attending our 2012 contest.
The facts I presented as to how the fun fly was held,are confirmed by you. As you are aware im no longer a club member and since im not a club member IM NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE DOING.
Ron Back to contest selection,do you have any imput as to which contest to include ????
I fly to compete funflys are Boring and useless for me. I want to return flushing to a major contest again the way it was just a few years ago.
Dennis the travel cost to NYC is something that we must consider. What about this, free entry for any traveler??
Jose modesto
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It's not the cost inhibiting our folks going to Flushing. It's dealing with NY traffic. Intimidating.
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Hi Crhis. I think a few Philly Flyers have gone to Mass contests over the years. Many of us travel much further. When your contest comes up, as it does, later in the season, I'm usually burnt out. Nats, Brodak, NJ contests. Handling our own contest right after the NATs. Fried. The distance from Boston to Philly is doable in a day. Reasonable motels are a few minutes from the Nexhaminy. Neshaminy has plenty of parking. Practice the day before. The setting is a big plus. Right by the Delaware. Well kept greenery. Much cooler temperatures than Muncie.
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I would like to suggest if I may, let's score available fields in the area, then the top three should be the pick for attending next year. Of course for scoring fields you could consider the criteria of condition, capacity, travel time, accessibility, parking, etc. For example, one of the nice field of the area in my opinion is Middlesex, but it's only one circle. Could host smaller meet compare to what has been discussed here.
Even, if there is a possible field which is not a flying field in the area for a possible one weekend meet, it should be consider for the establishment of such event. School parking lots, old airports, etc.
The main picture here is first to agree in attending the chosen meet or meets. This is simply for raising the bar in the area for control line modeling.
How about scoring 1-5 for the locations that we know and see if this would help?
thanx
-sina
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Dennis. I included the Brodack event as the Wild card contest,many top flyers attend this meet and not the NATS.
Brodack has to change day two and fly from low to high scores in order to have the top flyers fly closer together to determine a champion.
Dennis if i follow your thinking only Jersey is viable. NYC is out and all contest in D1 are also out.
My concept is un workable if the deciding line for attendance is north jersey.
No NYC,no mass cup,no stunt in the berkshires ouch.
I guess our fate is written local contest only.
Dennis Brodack has two or three years left and we need a replacement contest.
We need a solution to our dying north east contest.
Dennis my cost to attend the pal park contest tolls $24 gas?? Less than 25 miles from my home.
It's the cost of doing business.
Jose Modesto
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I suggest an obvious initial criteria. Which local clubs in Dists 1,2,3 held a contest where fliers showed up.
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I think only D3 had a well attended stunt contest.
D 1 and 2 were lightly attended.
Jose
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I think we had 16 at the Mass Cup, and 24 at the Lee contest.
Lee had a good representation from District 2, about 8 guys.
As far as experts go, I think Mass Cup had 5, and Lee had 9.
I think the Philly Flyers saw similar numbers for the July contest (18 PAMPA).
Quick count on the Jim Coll PAMPA scores looks like about 28.
I didn't see any scores posted for NJ.
What do you consider Light vs Well attended?
I think our goal is a good mix from D1/D2/D3.
-Chris
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I love this idea. Let's do it. We need to make lists of competitors. All classes. Emails of those willing to be included. We'll figure out where and when.
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"Come to Philly our contest is viable. The Flushing location is intimidating to many. I can't even get my Philly friends to say hello on the LES (Lower East Side of Manhattan). Not a single one willing to face the Holland Tunnel."
THIS NONSENSE HAS TO STOP!!! There are many ways to get to the Flushing contest without going through Manhattan. I myself always drive around it, usually through Brooklyn or the Bronx. I am in Queens less than 5 miles from the Flushing fields. Like Jose said they are in great neighborhoods. The only reason I haven't attended your contest and others is due to scheduling conflicts or work. The cost and distance per person is the same, whether I come to you or you come to me. Flushing is not a WARZONE like some people make it out to be!!! You can enter and leave with both your life and hubcaps!! Bring your family too. They will also survive. I've even had my dog at Flushing and he is also still alive.
Jose, I am with you on this and we all need to work together to make this happen. We ALL need to make the EXTRA effort to support each other in 2014. ALL the bickering amongst ourselves and other clubs and their members must STOP!!! SOULUTION'S WILL NOT BE FOUND IN THIS WAY!!!!
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William. Folks don't think it's a war zone. They are not reacting to the neighborhoods. It's the density of traffic, aggressive driving necessary to make it through, and so forth. A lot of people are intimidated by NYC. Ask around at the NATs. I have. I am shocked by the many who have never been to NY. I'm amazed by people's attitudes in Philadelphia. Most members of my club have not been in NYC more than five or six times. If that many. I live in both cities. I tell people take this bus, that bus, take the cheap commuter train, I tell them when to drive in to avoid the traffic, if they are so inclined. It's a hundred miles away. Two hours up the turnpike. I have been a member of the Philly Flyers for around 15 years. No one has taken me up on my offer to hang out on the LES. I paint a pretty picture of what is offered. I don't think it's me. Some Philly Flyers even seem to like me.
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Maybe we can rent a commuter van.
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8.5 years ago, while moving from Maine to Tucson, I drove the I-95 trail down thru Mass., Conn. and NYC, crossing the G.W. Bridge to the N.J. Turnpike and on south to I-20 West.
The merge thru NYC was kinda' scary, though I must admit that other drivers seemed rather courteous (probably saw the Maine plates and cut me some slack), and the transition was relatively painless...except for the G.W. bridge toll.
Granted, some of the passing neighborhoods looked a bit scary, and I was very thankful the van didn't break down.
All-in-all, not a bad transit.
But then, I had lived in the L.A. area for many years. You think NYC traffic is scary? LL~ LL~ LL~
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Drifting further off topic, I, too, found NYC motorists courteous, although I haven't driven there for a few decades. I once broke down in the left lane of the GW bridge and had to push the car to the right shoulder. Everybody waited for me.
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Contrary to the expected stereotypes, it's been my experience that NY/NJ folks are very kind and helpful. But then, I'm originally from New Jersey.
(We now return you to your regularly scheduled topic.)
Maybe . . .
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Maybe we could challenge people's manhood. :D
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Dennis,
You missed the point of the original posting. It doesn't have to be in NYC. The posting suggested scheduling organized contests in the District 1,2,3 and coordinating the dates to create a competition circuit.
Joe
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Right.
I like the idea a lot. Let's collect names and emails of potential competitors who are interested.
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MY IMAGINED STUNT TRIP NERVANA STUNT.
Imagine this trip to the STUNT IN THE BERKSHIRES.
1) Custom travel BUS last 3 rows removed for the models storage.
Saturday 7am pick up at designated place were you leave your vehicle. snack and Champaine for the ride to the field. Field arrival 10:30 am
2) We go flying. Saturday is a practice day, with model trimming and pattern coaching, by Bob Hunt,Windy U, Bill Suarez,Dan Banjock etc.
Part B is our significant others have a Spa and wine tasting at local vineyards. Guys I have a plan. They Get the bus for the day.
Dinner Sat Night with more wine. 7:30 to 9pm we will have dinner as a large group including invites to all participants. There are large restaurant that can accommodate 25+ After wine and spa and more wine at dinner I just set you guys for a good night
SUNDAY contest day.The bus brings us to the field by 8am.Breakfast catered at the field.(local restaurant.) We should recruit the Women to run the contest,tabulation,score running,the pits,score posting. remember they know how to run a bunch of men.
For this we guys get STUNT NERVANA. Two days of flying trimming competing and keeping each other company and our other half is happy and involved.
Jose Modesto
Sunday Morning catered Breakfast
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Jose,
Forgive me if I repeat or ask something previously answered. I didn't read the entire thread.
Rather than reinventing the wheel I would be all for adopting the Northwest format. After following their format for a year we can make changes to fit the Northeast if needed. Or, if it discouraged people for one reason or another we could drop the system entirely. I think something that would add to the format would be a perpetual trophy. Maybe the Northwest already does this?
Below is a list of contests I go to or try to go to. I know you suggested at least two others, Flushing and Stunt in the Berkshire, so there are quite a few to pick from. A quick run through of the Northwest format makes me thing they include all contests which is the best idea in my opinion.
GSCB – June Stunt Meet
GSCB – Fall Airshow
Bergen County Controline Flyers
Brodaks
Philly Fliers
Jim Coll Memorial
N.E.V.R.C.
Middlesex
As others mentioned each club would have to be contacted to gauge interest. If the interest isn't there I can't see moving forward with the idea. I would hate to see those who still attend contests be discouraged and resort to only sport flying.
Mike
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Hi Guys,
I guess I'll ad my two cents here. Akron, Oh. I can remember on any given Sunday 20 to 25 flyers line up to fly. (That was 50 years ago) The Akron Skymasters and The North Coast Control Liners (Cleveland, Oh) just had their combined meet September 21 and 22. Weather wasn't great but we got off our annual contest. Total entrants 13. When it comes to having a great site, we have it. Three asphalt circles, one grass circle and room for more. The NCCL guys have a carrier deck we can lay down on one of the asphalt circles. Two of the asphalt circles have a speed pylon. All of the circles have painted outlines. The Akron Skymasters are located just off Interstate 77 at the Akron Canton Airport. We are supported by The MAPS Air Museum. We have no muffler regulations. We have adequate parking for visitors and contestants. Take a minute and visit---- https://sites.google.com/a/mapsairmuseum.org/skymasters/ When I hear that Dist III doesn't have an adequate location, I cringe. Hotels, Motels, Restaurants, Football Hall of Fame and I can go on. Ask Bob Hunt, Bud Weider, Scott Reynolds, Bob McDonald or Bill Werwage (just dropping names here) about our site. I believe that The Akron Skymasters can offer everything that is required for a control line contest and, with a little help from our friends, make it as fine as anywhere in the country. IMHO.
Rog Strickler Pres. The Akron Skymasters
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FYI, the NW system does indeed have a champion's trophy, and all contests in the district (and BC) count, as long as they are sanctioned by either the AMA or MAAC. I don't think each "champ" gets a trophy, just the Vintage Stunt champ (Classic and OTS points combined), but an email to John Thompson will get the answer quickly, if that matters to you. I think what you are interested in is promoting Precision Aerobatics, but with enough interest, there's no reason not to have an individual trophy for Classic and OTS as well. AMA makes very nice plaques for about $30 each. H^^ Steve
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Hi Guys,
I guess I'll ad my two cents here. Akron, Oh. I can remember on any given Sunday 20 to 25 flyers line up to fly. (That was 50 years ago) The Akron Skymasters and The North Coast Control Liners (Cleveland, Oh) just had their combined meet September 21 and 22. Weather wasn't great but we got off our annual contest. Total entrants 13. When it comes to having a great site, we have it. Three asphalt circles, one grass circle and room for more. The NCCL guys have a carrier deck we can lay down on one of the asphalt circles. Two of the asphalt circles have a speed pylon. All of the circles have painted outlines. The Akron Skymasters are located just off Interstate 77 at the Akron Canton Airport. We are supported by The MAPS Air Museum. We have no muffler regulations. We have adequate parking for visitors and contestants. Take a minute and visit---- https://sites.google.com/a/mapsairmuseum.org/skymasters/ When I hear that Dist III doesn't have an adequate location, I cringe. Hotels, Motels, Restaurants, Football Hall of Fame and I can go on. Ask Bob Hunt, Bud Weider, Scott Reynolds, Bob McDonald or Bill Werwage (just dropping names here) about our site. I believe that The Akron Skymasters can offer everything that is required for a control line contest and, with a little help from our friends, make it as fine as anywhere in the country. IMHO.
Rog Strickler Pres. The Akron Skymasters
I think Jose's idea is to put a new spin on Precision Aerobatics in the Northeast in hopes that it will help gain interest or rekindle the fire for those still involved. I don't believe the quality of the flying sites is the problem. If the flying sites are the problem then we know how to save the hobby!
Mike
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There are a couple of issues that have to be resolved. One contest in each district was the original concept. 3 districts and there was some interest from northern Virginia so it could be 4. Dates have to function away from holidays (Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day). Flying season is 5 months long, so 4 contests shouldn't pose a challenge. There is Brodak's and the Nat's to schedule around also. Venues are the last part. I see the biggest issue as the coordination of the schedule.
Joe
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FYI, the NW system does indeed have a champion's trophy, and all contests in the district (and BC) count, as long as they are sanctioned by either the AMA or MAAC. I don't think each "champ" gets a trophy, just the Vintage Stunt champ (Classic and OTS points combined), but an email to John Thompson will get the answer quickly, if that matters to you. I think what you are interested in is promoting Precision Aerobatics, but with enough interest, there's no reason not to have an individual trophy for Classic and OTS as well. AMA makes very nice plaques for about $30 each. H^^ Steve
I think the intent is to start with Precision Aerobatics. If the interest is there then Classic and OTS could also follow the format. Jose?
To be honest I have no interest in trophy's at local contests. If I go to a contest and have a good time I am a winner. If I take first place I go home with bragging rights. If I take home a trophy it goes in the box in the basement. If it were up to me clubs could do away with trophy's. If they want to reward pilots (or pilots want to be rewarded) they can give $15 for first place, $10 for second place and $5 for third place. Or something to that effect. That format would reduce the work load and give a couple guys lunch or toll money.
I am not saying all trophy's should go away. There are several perpetual trophy's in the Northeast that are very important to the hobby and hold a lot of history.
Mike
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There are a couple of issues that have to be resolved. One contest in each district was the original concept. 3 districts and there was some interest from northern Virginia so it could be 4. Dates have to function away from holidays (Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day). Flying season is 5 months long, so 4 contests shouldn't pose a challenge. There is Brodak's and the Nat's to schedule around also. Venues are the last part. I see the biggest issue as the coordination of the schedule.
Joe
I think excluding the majority of the clubs would hurt more than it would help.
The best chance for success is in the tri-state area (PA, NJ, NY). Most contests for most competitors are within a 2 hour drive. Spreading out three contests over hundreds of miles would be counterproductive. Four contests over an even greater distance would be worse yet. Would the Massachusetts fliers or Northern Virginia fliers attend enough contests to be competitive for the win? They are on the outer fringes of the circuit so they would be doing most of the traveling.
If all of the contests are included I would be open to any distance knowing lost ground can be made up. I don't expect any one person to attend all of the contests and runaway with the win based on attendance.
Mike
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Hey Mike P. good to hear from you on this topic. My intention is to use the existing contest in our area (about 12) and select four a year that we as a community would support as major contest. Boston is 4 hours north and Maryland is four hours southfrom me NYC. Somewhere in jersey is the midpoint for the majority of our guys. If we aver evolve to a regional event format than jersey/Pa would be ideal.
mike in your selection you eliminated D1 contest. What my intention,is to keep the contest in D1 and on a rotating basis for us a community would attend.
With 12 to select from we can surely select a meet in each district to attend. If you can attend all twelve contest that would be great.
If we select four the other 8 contest will go on as scheduled and attendance is the responsibility of the hosting club.
You can have NYC club supporting Philly and Philly in return would support NYC. ( we will go to yours if you came to my contest.
Our NYC contest can easily be supported by our members and the GSCB with these two clubs our meet would be well attended if the criteria is 30 entrants we can meet that goal.
Jose Modesto
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Here's a map(for educational purpose) so everyone knows where Districts 1,2&3 are. I like the idea of a regional contest circuit and would put in my best effort to hit all 3 (or 4). Don't turn it into a tri state event. New Jersey is not the center of Ohio. As far as needing a site for District 3, I believe Roger Strickler has made the offer in Akron,Ohio for a site to host future District 3 contests. As far as adding more Districts to the mix I say leave it as a 3 District event, You got the NATS for the other stuff. When do we vote on the 3 District locations this regional contest is going to be featured at?
Bob
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In the mean time, while a bunch of people who mostly have not been to a contest outside their area in the last two years, decide what is wrong, The GSCB is meeting in two weeks to abolish all contests. One or two may remain, all else will be changed to fun fly's. Do you all think there is something left to save?
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Bob thanks for the map as I look at the map we should make it D1-2-3 and four. My original mistake in thinkingnthat Maryland,Delaware and Virginia were D3
This is even Better.Ohio,NJ, Mass and Maryland. As the first four with Brodack as the wild card 5th Contest.
This will give us a West Ohio. North mass. Central NJ south Maryland or Virginia Everyone travels and we support one contest in each district.
NYC and jersey could alternate from year to year. As the central contest.
Guys the travel Bus can work as a group ride to Ohio or Maryland. Leave the driving to some one else. We just have to agree to an itinerary before trip.
My first four contest with wild card
1) NJ early June Brodack 3rd week June
2) stunt in the Berkshire august
3) Maryland
4) Ohio
Jose Modesto
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In the mean time, while a bunch of people who mostly have not been to a contest outside their area in the last two years, decide what is wrong, The GSCB is meeting in two weeks to abolish all contests. One or two may remain, all else will be changed to fun fly's. Do you all think there is something left to save?
This is the exact reason I suggested the tri-state area.
Of course there is something to save, that's not even a question.
If the contests are already being voted against then this is too little too late.
Mike
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Only need 4 contests a year for this proposal. One in each district. GSCB need only to put on one if this is something they want to support. Actually the entire district needs only 1.
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We are down to 2 contests in District 1, plus 2 fun-flys. Our 2 contests are the Mass Cup and Stunt in the Berkshires, which are less than a month apart. I would like to see us bring back a springtime contest. We used to have a summer contest, but I think folks decided it was too hot.
Personally, I like the NJ contests and would hate to see them go. I didn't make any this year due to other commitments plus a busy combat schedule.
Please keep as many NJ contests as you can!!
-Chris
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Gentlemen,
One thing that I haven't seen addressed here is one of the fundamental problems. "District 1-2 and 3 our contest are DYING WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING." It's not only the contests that are dying, the contestants are dying and we are not replacing them. As you look around the flying fields, we see gray haired old men. They out number the youth by more than 10 to 1. I don't have the answer for " WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING." In our club we have lost so many members to health problems that it scares me. Can any of you tell me that you have recruited as many young flyers as you have lost to old age? If so, please tell us how. The biggest problem that I see is how to get the wheel chairs, walkers, and O2 machines to the fields. I'm not trying to be morbid or sarcastic but I believe that it's a lot easier to get young people to travel to the events. I do believe that if we can recruit the youth the contest attendance would not be a problem at all. I am not trying to discourage any attempt to promote activity, in fact our club is in the process of totally reorganizing what, where, and how we are going to operate this coming year. We are very aware that what we have been doing is NOT working. I'm sure you have heard that old saying "You cannot continue doing the same thing over and over and expect different results". Somehow we must kindle a fire in a younger group of participants. We have recruited old retreads back to the fields but that fuel is diminishing rapidly and the fire is going to die just like you and I. I think a more productive thread would be "HOW TO GET MORE YOUTH FLYING CONTROL LINE". Frankly, I feel events directed at recruiting youth would be far more valuable than how can we more "old guys" to show up. This is from one of the "old guys" . I'm 73 and I know that I'm slowing down.
Rog Strickler Pres . The Akron Skymasters
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Boy oh boy Rog,
You really know how to tug at the heart strings. I did a bit of soul searching after your post,now I am taking a different plan of action. I just pulled the Baby Clown ARF out of the rafters to assemble for this summer to train my grandson and nephew. Al Brikhaus has 6 fledglings under his tutor and they look likely to be the next contestants for his district. I will build District 3 from the bottom up.
Bob
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Some truth to the aged flying force in control line. We are getting some new young flyers ... Will's son Kevin is 17 and very experienced Nats flyer. My son Joe is 39 and he is teaching his 2 oldest sons. Joseph 10 and Steve 9. Dwight's son is about 10 so we have some young blood but not nearly enough.
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Well, before this thread fades into oblivion, we should all agree to share information and try to coordinate contest schedules.
This way we can say we put some effort into getting the different groups to attend each others contests.
Hopefully we can get something good to happen!!!
-Chris
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This is the time of year clubs get together and plan next years schedule. With two clubs that I know of planning to vote on NO CONTESTS, we need to contact the people that have run contests, and PLEDGE TO SUPPORT THEM next year! If we convince them their will be entrants, they may still have events. Thank them NOW for there efforts, and BEG them to do it again, or there will be no where to go in the future.
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Chris. The district contest for one and two are coordinated by the CD and Rich Pebody. We usually don't have any conflicts between 1 and 2. We need to incorporate 3 and 4 contest schedule.
The club presidents should share there membership list including Emails or create a master list of all club members in the four districts. The list can be used to inform and recruit flyers to your contest.
In the east all contest have been NON BOM,we need to determine this item for the combined 1-2-3and4
Let's stay positive and work on our mutual support and survival.
Jose Modesto
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Jose,
I want to make it clear that The Akron Skymasters support what you are trying to accomplish and will support you in any way we can. We all love what we do and have for years, that's why we are still here! I have never been a contest flyer but I have been a contest supporter. (Not to be confused with an athletic supporter) That's why I have worked so hard for the MAPS flying site and the contests that we have shared with NCCL and will continue to share with them. I have talked with John Brodak about our site and he was willing to bring a scale contingent to Ohio for a contest this past year but that was before he had his health problem. I am hoping that things have improved to the point that perhaps we will incorporate the scale event in this years activities. MAPS helps us by scheduling some activities during our contests to attract more visitors and perspective flyers. Please inform any of the other clubs that have an interest in using our sight to contact me or Ray Rowh (club secy) with any questions or suggestions.
Rog Strickler Pres
Ray Rowh Secy
The Akron Skymaster Control Line Asso.
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I think that a well coordinated contest schedule would boost interest and will attract new flyers and rekindle the flame in old flyers. The last contest I competed in was the the 1958 Mirror Meet. I am willing to assist with any contest within traveling distance. Has anyone considered contacting the PARCS club for possibly using Floyd Bennett Field for a control line contest?
Joe
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Joe. the late Hank Forbes use to get us a yearly permit to use Floyd Bennet field. Bob L,Hank,sleepy and I have used the site. All the room in the world with adjacent grass areas that can be used for combat and any other event that requires grass circles.
The challenge just like flushing is the afternoon winds.
The field is situated in Jamaica bay with plenty of nearby activities. There is also a large RC field on site were lots of guys flew CL. There are Food and restrooms on site with endless parking
Central NJ and south NJ and PA then ride is highway all the way no city streets.
I stll prefer our site easier to control the flow of people and site is fenced.
Other activities at Floyd Bennet field. Ice skating,fishing,RC car racing track hiking,beach acces,bike tracks,soccer and footbal fields,fresh vegetables stands,ETC
There are plenty of activities for all.
Jose Modesto
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Any site is agreeable to me. I flew RC at Floyd Bennett back in the early 90-s. Big space ... I remember that the winds laid down to nil at 6 PM in the summer. Had some excellent flying there with a good bunch of people from the PARCS club. We could operated a dozen circles but not fenced. I think that there is a 4000' runway in reasonable repair. I havent seen it in 20 years. Need to keep this forum current and get the stars alligned. This could work out to the satisfaction of all.
Joe
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If you have a problem getting a CD, you can probably do that by volunteering to do ALL the work, just have one to tell you what needs doing...and to sign off on the paperwork. This is a step toward getting your CD license anyway. They do make you take a written test now...mostly inappropriate questions dealing with R/C issues, such as maximum weight allowed, turbine engine waivers and that sort of stuff. But it IS an open book test. Still, I couldn't find the answer to one of the questions in the rulebook. I don't think it should be that hard to look stuff up. Maybe could be better organized!
First lesson on being a CD: When somebody objects to having their plane pull tested for the 2nd round (because it was just recently pull tested for the 1st round), just tell them that they don't have to pull test their plane if they don't want to fly in the 2nd round. R%%%% I've had to respond to this dumbass question far too many times. Remember this: Following the rules and sound contest procedures looks a lot better on the accident report. H^^ Steve
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I do not know if this will help or not. I have been a CD for 22 years in Texarkana Texas, it is a long trip to Dallas, and anywhere else. I had only 2 bad years. Usual number was 15 to 18 and when Windy and Big Art were here the numbers were up very much. I served breakfast on the grounds, both days, coffee, biscuits, gravy ,then a catered lunch,with a dinner planed Saturday night. Sometimes we had a speaker, one was a medal of honor person, the most interesting was the officer that was shot down over Germany,forced on a death march,then converted his captors to Christianity. There is a lot of ways to attract people to your contest. That is what I did ,had the usual prizes, raffle, then a 50-50 drawing. I drove up to Fox manufacturing for fuel and a motor every year it was fun but I will be 74 in a few weeks. Time to go play now
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I know where Stunt in the Berkshires, Brodaks and Wrentham, MA are but what are the addresses of the New York, New Jersey, Philly and WV contest sites?
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In NY, they have contests at Flushing Meadows Corona Park, Queens, NY. See google maps.
In NJ, they have contests in Palisades Park. I am not sure of the park name, but 275 Roosevelt Ave, Palisades Park, NJ will put you near the entrance (see google maps). There is a parking lot (with painted circles) by the swimming pools.
The Garden State Circle Burners have contests in Lincoln Park, NJ. Their is on 2 Bridges Road, I have not been there but hopefully someone from the club can give better info.
-Chris
ps. Google map these coordinates: 40° 53.988', -74° 16.742'
(On 2 bridges road between Lincoln Blvd and Meadows Golf Club)
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The Middlesex Modelers also holds an annual stunt contest in August at our filed at Mountain View Park in Middlesex, NJ. The field is located behind Middlesex High School
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The Philly contest is held in Neshaminy State Park off of State Road. We park in the Playmasters Theatre parking lot.
3401 State Road Bensalem Pa 19020.
Mike
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I edit the contest calendar for Stunt News, and I try to have each contest listing accurate and useful. Please send me the information as soon as you decide to have a stunt contest. Most of my information on East Coast contests has come from Rich Peabody, but he may not have his ear to the ground now that he's in Florida. Or an ear to the ground in Florida may not pick up data from Maine that well. Or an ear to the ground in Florida may get bitten by ants. (There's a metaphor somewhere.)
It is curiously difficult to find contest locations. It usually takes me Google Maps and a couple of email exchanges with the CD to figure out.
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"It is curiously difficult to find contest locations. It usually takes me Google Maps and a couple of email exchanges with the CD to figure out."
That's very true, and why I did quite a bit of work to put maps to all known NW sites on our club website...while we had a club website. I was very pleased to see JT pick up that feature and replant it on www.FlyingLines.org , even though some of the site info needed updating, new sites added, etc. I well recall several traumatic experiences looking for a contest site as a youth......we don't need that! HIHI%% Steve