District 1-2 and 3 our contest are DYING WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

[jose modesto]

OPEN LETTER TO PAMPA  DISTRIC 1-2 and 3. Looking  at the west coast contest and the LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION,it makes me nostalgic to the days when our contest used to look like that. YES YES I know our guys are older and many have moved to warmer climates. There are a number of top flyers in our area that if we make a commitment our contest could look like the WEST COAST.
My opening is for the 3 districts above to select a contest in their area,were we as a community will attend.
In NYC in the  late 80's to 2000 our meets attracted the best in our disticts Windy,hunt,,Cassale,Rogers, Buso,Suares,ETC.
Lately the attendance to our local contest have been abysmal. The NYC club no longer holds a contest as our neighbor NJ flyers are having difficulty traveling to our contest.
Here are my three contest that have the room and the staff to run such a meet.
District one stunt in the Berkshire Hummel contest
District 2 NJ and NYC need to get together to select a contest. NYC two paved and two grass circles. Pal park three circles
District 3 Jim Cole as I hear it's a great site.
Hunt,Suares,Palko,Weader,steveY,Hummel,Reed,Modesto,Demauro,W Moore,Sina,BANJOCK,Ostella,Beekman,Cooper, Giacabone, Cook,Cambel,Midgly,Lampione,Borelli, Damarell,krough Etc.
Guys we can make a comeback. Let's get together support one  contest in each district.
Jose Modesto

[Steve Helmick]

Participation has been down at all contests in District 11 (including British Columbia), except NW CL Regionals...and that was probably because it was advertised as likely being the last one. There were still lots of people who didn't show up for that one, but had in the past. Price of gas, old age, cost of motels, old age, cost of dining out, old age.

...and the CD's are tired. Need more folks to show up and work, vs. show up and flap their yaps while watching others work. If the membership won't show up for the meetings, they won't show up and help run a contest. There are lots of things that need to be done, and it usually falls on just a handful of people to do it all.    Steve

PS: Good post! BOM wasn't mentioned once...

[proparc]

I'd help out Jose but, I'm stuck frying my a$% off in down here in Texas!!

[jose modesto]

Steve BOM. We on east coast don't have to interpret BOM,20 pts for all. Just come and fly.
Our models will stack up against the best in the country as to Originaly,workmanship,finish.
Don't stir the pot Steve. LOL
Milton Help? Stay on the shady side of the street.
Yes we are  getting older I'm going on 58 and im  young for our contest circuit.
These next four years maybe the end for us in the North East let's go out with a BANG.
Jose Modesto

[peabody]

Jose.....it always seemed to me that the District II guys were quick to criticize, but they never stepped up with a CD license or ideas....

[Doug Moon]

Yes we are  getting older I'm going on 58 and im  young for our contest circuit.
These next four years maybe the end for us in the North East let's go out with a BANG.
Jose Modesto

You are 58?!?  WOW I would have never thought that. At the nats your just big kid!  HAHAHAAHAHAA!!

[ChrisSarnowski]

Hi Jose,

I think it is a good idea. We can probably put together a 4 contest circuit and then have clubs and PAMPA VP's promote and encourage attendance.
I say 4 contest because the Jim Coll contest in Hurlock MD is in AMA District 4.

For this year we could have had:

June 2: GSCB June Stunt Meet (District 2)

July 29: Philly Flyers, Neshaminy State Park (District 3)

August 10/11 : Jim Coll Contest (District 4)

August 17/18 : Stunt in the Berkshires (District 1).

Note that this involves 6-8 hours of driving for those traveling between the Northernmost and Southernmost locations.

What do you think of that? Personally I think I might be able to travel once a month to a contest in another state.
It would be better if one of the District 1 or 4 contests was in September so as to space things out a bit.

-Chris

[Tom Niebuhr]

Jose,

We are very fortunate in District VIII, TX, LA, ARK, OK, NM and have contests almost every week end from Feb to Nov. The Dallas Model Airplane Assoc. (DMAA) has over 100 members and most are very active. Go to the DMAA web site and the District VIII events are there.

We can also say that all events and special events are flown in the district. It is not just stunt.

We have numerous National Champions in many events. Most stunt contest have B.O.M and Appearance enforced in Expert but not all. We probably have more contests than any other area of the country because we encourage people to participate in more than just stunt.

Navy Carrier is actually starting to grow due to Bill Bischoff's efforts with planes for newbies.

Racing is also very active.

The Baton Rouge people are encouraging Warbird Stunt for profiles OR full bodied airplanes that resemble Warbirds or all eras.
Look at the pictures from last weeks contest.

The DMAA contest held this last Labor Day Weekend was one of the most heavily entered events in years.

The only thing that I can say is to look beyond stunt and encourage flying more in other avenues. Encourage some of the old timers in events such as carrier to fly. Don't be turned off by the current "hanging" at low speed. It is not easy to accomplish. but it doesn't have to be a major part either.

Encourage 1/2A scale ala Uncle Mikey in Tucson.

I have found that I really enjoy seeing and appreciating these events more than I ever did in the past.

[RC Storick]

You are 58?!?  WOW I would have never thought that. At the nats your just big kid!  HAHAHAAHAHAA!!

I'm 60 and still a kid. When you get closer 70-80 don't look that old.

I think 50 is a good holding age so this is where I will stay for a while

[jose modesto]

Chris. The challenge with  the jersey contest is that the club field is not a good venue for a large contest. Pal park fits in a little better as it has 3 paved circles. CB field is challenging to say the least. The Bugs are man eater size
Philli is always very close to NATS and the field is always challenging with obstructions.
Brodack has just a couple of years to go before they close the fly-in.
Let's try to get one in June,one July one august and sept and last October. Travel contest one a month.

Doug I feel like a kid at the NATS.great planes,great people,real good flying. Now Munci

Tom my challenge with other events is I don't do any. My initial conversations with Bob H was to have a regional meet with all the disciplines presented. The challenge is to get a site large enough to accommodate all. Getting  consensus as to dates. The-racers are very territorial,combat guys need grass speed who nows.
The best venue  for a stunt contest is my field in queens NY two paved two grass circles protected by a 8 foot chain link fence. Most are leery of NYC. The park  borders two of the highest income communities in NYC. Safety has NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE.

[Brett Buck]

I'm 60 and still a kid. When you get closer 70-80 don't look that old.

   I noticed that, too... Old people are always 30 years away.

   Brett

[jose modesto]

We in North East,have many top twenty flyers we just have to make a commitment to each other to support our local/regional contest circuit. 5 months four contest not much to keep a dying event a little longer.

As to beutifull models, Bob Lampione sent out photos of his new United built from Brodack kit.
Stunt flying,building and finishing is AN AMERICAN ART FORM,let's keep it alive.See Bob's model.
When you see the photos a true American Artist at work.YES CANOPY DETAIL.
I'm suppose to be the designated flyer for this model.I will be nervous flying a piece of ART.
Also I had a Back injury and I haven't flown a model since the NATS that's all I need more pressure
Jose Modesto.

[Reptoid]

   I noticed that, too... Old people are always 30 years away.

   Brett

Yep!  I was at a dance event a few weeks ago and I asked one of the gals "what's that old guy over there's name?"
She replied " That's Bob", then she looked at me for a few seconds and said "Dude, that guys 10 years younger than you"

[William DeMauro]

Jose,
 At the last fun fly in Flushing, we discussed bringing back at least one for sure and most likely both contests in 2014. This was met with a sound approval from all that were there. I am sorry for not informing you of this as it was during a bad week for your back and when I saw you last week I just forgot to bring it up. It's time to bring back the Flushing Meets as our attendance has improved and we can now get the help needed to run one. We should also be able to draw enough people to hold all PAMPA classes. Personally, I would like to see 2 contests as long as the first goes well and I think it will. Flushing will be back on the map in 2014!!!
William

[jose modesto]

William good news. I'm really trying to go a  little further and having the 3 districts give each the support so we can have 3 contest like the west coast.
William if we have our flushing contest and we don't reach out to district 1-2 and 3 it will be like 2012!just our club.
The leadership in our club has not been open to inviting others and at times antagonistic to our closes neighbors. This attitude has manifested in their avocating against going to other local contest.
The first fun fly was a club only affair were the food was allocated to our club and any visitors were excluded.
This type of behavior MUST STOP.
There are very few of us that share the love  and passion for this event,it's time  that we drop all the nonsense  and enjoy the event with our fellow travelers.
Guys look around as a group we can have some great shoot outs if we come together and support each district.
The great mass cup is now a local club contest it used to be a big thing. Red reinhard cup also important contest minimal attendance. Let's pick four contest for 2014 and support each other
Jose Modesto

[William DeMauro]

Jose,
    Mistakes were made with the first fun fly but the second went very well and attendance was really good. We had at least 6 or 7 guys show up that hadn't been to flushing in years we got the word out and made sure that anyone who wanted to come knew about it. We will do much better in 2014 and beyond. We MUST make sure that we are not only open to disricts 1,2 and 3 but to anyone from anywhere who might want to come. As you know  I'm trying to make rounds to different contests within about 3 hours flying time of NYC. I had a blast in St. Louis and will try to get to Arkansas. Hopefully, Other people  will try to follow my lead and visit us. I know that most people don't work for an airline. but it should be doable for anyone within 3-4 hours driving time. Jose, you have the right attitude and a great idea, I'm with you and will try to do my best to help promote this in 2014. We have a great facility in Flushing!! Lets show it off again like in the past!!
William

[john e. holliday]

Hey guys look at the map of the good ole USA again.   The people in the western half have greater distances to drive than those in the Northeast.  While in school in Dallas had a class mate that live in Dallas and stated it was an 8 hour drive to get home.   Here in KANSAS the closest contests are in St Louis,  Omaha, Tulsa and Topeka.  The first three are at least a 4 hour drive.   Dallas is 9 hours and Denver is 11 hours.   I don't push the speed limit anymore.   But, I like your idea of a monthly contest. 

[Scott Richlen]

A lot of you guys are in range of our NVCL StuntFest held the 4th weekend in September.  We have 2 very nice grass circles, very smooth and short, with take-off pads.  very close to I-95 in Northern VA, just outside of DC.

Jim Coll in August also has great flying circles and is very well run.

Scott

[Tom Niebuhr]

Jose,

I was trying to point out that District VIII has as many or more contests than the west coast.

While you and Bobby have good idea of an all encompassing contest. (Possibly a regional Championships). Smaller contests can work well. 1/2A scale is popping up all over the country and can be held as a low key single event contest.  In Dallas we have some contests that have Carrier an Racing only.    

 LaborDay  weekend is our biggest contest with most events. This requires a much larger work load for helpers, tabulators and the CD.

The smaller events are much easier on the C.D.  

Doc has also pointed out a common thing for the mid west. For example, I know of no contests that are less than 150 miles from Dallas. Most drives are 3 to 8 hours driving time. This does not stop most from attending. Some people pick their spots, or vary where they go from year to year. But the contests all keep going on.

[jose modesto]

Scott R. Is this the best location in District 3. We need imput so we can put a package of contest, to select at least four per year to attend. I know we have busy lives let's make an effort to support our regional contest. Scott is the contest A pure STUNT (Pa)
Tom as I don't fly any other event my interest is in PA.
We have lots of contest they are lightly attended. Between district 1 and 2 we have nine contest
The Club in our area that has led the way is the GSCB their meets were always a highlight in the contest schedule. Lately the meets are not supported by the local guys let alone having guys travel.
We don't need more contest just a commitment to support them. Nine contest!!! Now add district 3 and the number is over 12.
Jose Modesto

[jose modesto]

Jim Damarell and I have been discussing this topic and Jimmy would add a points aspect that would crown a  regional champion based on a select number of contest wins.  Not all guys attend the NATS this system will allow the local great flier to compare his skills with former champions and a bevy of top 20 NATS flyers.
Jose Modesto

[ChrisSarnowski]

How do we start?

Currently we have Rich Peabody's web page that has listed all of the contests we have been talking about. People can always get contest information from there.

I think we need to promote contests through our districts via email and maybe postcards via US mail. Not just within your district, but also to the other districts to try and pull people in to your contest.

CD's should try and have some ideas for motels/lodging for folks that need to stay over somewhere.

If you plan to go to a contest in another district, bring your friends!

-Chris

[jose modesto]

Chris. Each district should Sellect two contest one before July and one after July.   July is NATS Month and many of the top MODELERS (flyers) will be getting prepared for the Big Show. Travel cost to NATS is $1,500+ (cost north east)
We need to  devise a selection method for 3 major contest. One in each area with an additional contest as the wildcard The wild card can be in any District.
What aboutnBrodack as a wild card. There are many great flyers that attend Brodack and Not The NAT'S

In District 2=I select the circle Burners June meet.  Flushing September contest. This can also be flushing in June with NJ at pal park in sept. Both meets have at least two paved circles.
District 1= Stunt in the Berkshire  and I always liked the mass cup.    Note: the mass cup has to mean something,the current system for winning the Mass cup makes it less valuable.
District 3=need contest for this district. Scott can you help me flu in this area.
Jose modesto
What about the overall champion. I think the D8 hasna champion as well as D11. What system do you guys use.
Jose Modesto

[stunt1]

  Hey Guys,
Just reading your posts about the contest and I would refer you to Peabody's about CD's.
As you guys are aware I am the only CD in the Flushing NY Area. We do need at least one or two more. It's not that you guy's don't chip in, but with the physical problems I've had it would be nice to have company.
Please think about it and let's get somebody to step up to the plate, as they say.

My best regards to all,

Bob "Champione" Lampione, Now 71 years young and with many thanks to GOD, I'm in remission and enjoying every day that I get up.

[Balsa Butcher]

Don't mean to hijack this thread but Bob, I sure would like to see a picture of your latest United. Engine? Reason is that is the #1 candidate for my next Classic plane, have the kit, studying the plans.
OK, you can go back to the original subject of the post...Thanks! 

[Steve Helmick]

Here's how the District 11 Champs are determined....click the link, read the system at the bottom of the page! I noticed that I didn't even make the published list, since having turned Expert and not flying Profile anymore (having given Tim my old piece complete, ready to fly). Not a big deal! It is tough to collect points at the contests where there are only 4 entrants, so make sure there's some "canon fodder"    Steve

http://flyinglines.org/Standings.html

[stunt1]

Hello Peter, Balsa Butcher,

I don't know how to reduce a picture to put up on forum so I sent you a full resolution picture to your "E" Mail address.

Regards,

Bob Lampione

[ChrisSarnowski]

Hi Jose,

I am not sure of the history of the scoring system for the Massachusetts Cup. However, the system was designed to allow someone of any skill level to win the Cup. Basically the winner of each skill level has the chance to compete for the Cup by trying to best his winning score in his skill level. It is not perfect but most folks up here seem to like it ok. I don't see it changing to be an Expert-Only Cup any time soon.

We are lucky enough to get sufficient judges, scorers, and support people here for our contests. I am lucky to have Guerry Byers backing me up in my CD duties, and I try to help Bill Hummel where I can. It's great when people try to give back a little to the sport they enjoy.

-Chris

[jose modesto]

Chris. Your system is fine as it has become a very local contest and if it works for you guys then great.
No harm intended.
Which contest do  you suggest for D1??

Chris if our fate is to continue our decline,with all contest becoming basically club contest then our fate is already here.
 Our club now has A FUN FLY.
Look at the attendance the last 3 years for your contest,it compares to our experience were it's basically a club contest.
I have attended the mass cup several times,my recollection was that the cup was desirable and highly contested. Windy,Suares and many others traveled to win that cup.
 Flyers outside of D1 no longer travel to this at one time great meet.
Jose Modesto
How do we capture the last light of this American ART FORM here in the north east.
Dave M, Rick C, Will Moore,Steve Y,Suares, Mr Goth and many others LET'S CALL IT A COMBACK.

[ChrisSarnowski]

Hi Jose,

Well I think the Lee Stunt meet should definitely be on the list. I believe you are in agreement on that one.

Maybe we can get a spring contest going again in District 1. The likely location would be Wrentham, MA.
I am not certain but I think the Lee field is not available then.

I think we definitely have a shot at making something good happen with all this.

-Chris

[Balsa Butcher]

Got the pics Bob and another excellent slide show of the plane. Thanks all!, now back to the topic. 

[Dennis Moritz]

Come to Philly our contest is viable. The Flushing location is intimidating to many. I can't even get my Philly friends to say hello on the LES (Lower East Side of Manhattan). Not a single one willing to face the Holland Tunnel. Many of the Philly Flyers have supported the Garden State Contests over the years. If we don't, it's a matter of scheduling conflicts. Or exhaustion.

[Dennis Moritz]

Philly always has a contest the last Sunday in July. What do you mean July is NATs month, so no July contest. We've had these contests for over 20 years. It doesn't cost much to go down the Jersey turnpike and head to Neshaminy. We even have hot food for cheap. And wooden plaques that look good. Come to think of it, haven't seen many flyers from NYC attend. You are certainly welcome and will be welcomed. The Philly Flyers regularly attend other contests. At least nine of us made it to Brodak. Many of us go to Jim Cole. Five of us just got back from Huntersville. We have supported the Garden State Contests over they years. We go there, they come to Neshaminy.

[Dennis Moritz]

I think the difficulties of the Neshaminy Field are exaggerated. Garden State, even Huntersville, have challenging fields. Trees near the circles that create wind effects. The Nats of course has straight air. But it frequently kicks up quite a breeze. Unless that breeze hits 20 mph consistently, flights will be official. At those times, and even in milder conditions, I have seen more than a few pilots bail. Besides, why shouldn't a serious contest be a challenge. I fly at Neshaminy all the time, same as Dan Banjok. Mike Palko flew at Neshaminy for many years. Until recently Mike only flew at Neshaminy. If you fly at Garden State, Neshaminy is different, but certainly not more difficult. Every field presents different issues. We fly officials in the rain, don't we. The Neshaminy field, as many of you know, is close to the PA turnpike Bensalem exit. Five or ten minutes away. Which means it's a comparatively easy trip for those from NYC, any place in NJ, and Eastern PA. Maryland flyers, even flyers from further south, regularly make it to our contest.

[Dennis Moritz]

Circle Burners in June, Flushing in Sept, and no Philly Flyers contest? Why exclude a contest that continues to draw a significant following.

[jose modesto]

Dennis. The initial point is the lack of attendance at local contest. Dennis the contest can rotate from year to year.
One year is CB the next could be phily. The four selected contest should change from year to year as we have over 12 to choose from.
The NATS  last year July 16-23 travel home and the next week, is phily not workable for NATS travelers.
Please fight to include your meet in the four contest a year,as you see the NATS and your contest are real close in dates.
Dennis we go back to your guys don't come to my contest I won't go to yours. This is what we are trying to eliminate,by selecting at least four meets,were we as a community support each other.
If the selection is phyli then I will attend your contest. BAD FIELD AND ALL.LOL  If the  selection is NYC and we are not supported by your guys then this is an exercise in futility.
D1 contest are all a local event
D2 contest CB/ pal park are supported by various clubs.
In your area there use to be a contest held at a govermebt facility,that site was great. Plenty of circles for practice what happened to that site.
Jose Modesto

[Frank Imbriaco]

All are suggestions worth considering.
 When I was in my youth( 1960s), there were numerous  AA and even a few AAA contests in the NYC / NJ/ Philadelphia region. My home club from 1965- 1974 was the Union(NJ) Model Airplane Club." UMAC" held an AAA meet every Memorial Day that , IMO, set the standard for one day events . Over 100 contestants and most participated in multiple events. Most of  the AA meets had several  event options, too, if I recall.

Most clubs then and to an extent now, have  a majority of sport flyers and a small core of competition flyers. An even smaller core traveled to the NATS. When it was at Willow Grove , Pa. the local and near local flyers could come for one day  to compete or spectate; if they so desired. I would imagine that the same held true for the Glenview, Dallas and Los Alamitos NAVY NATS. Of course, there were those who traveled from distant states ; much as today.

As we all remember- gas , tolls ,meals and even an occasional overnight in a hotel were cheap- even relative to what we spend today. From mid- 90s to 2008, I typically  attended several R/C pattern meets each year. But, they involved two or three days because the pattern guys like to drag it out with 6 or 7 rounds.
 More time in hotels and greater expenses.

After almost 40 years, I  again decided that U/C is great  fun and what the heck ; there are 5-7 contests within one hour, so let's  give it a go one more time.

The meets are smaller, the entry fees are higher ,the awards are cheaper, but they're still  a lot of fun.
 I'd like to keep them and would also enjoy some fun fly type  events, too.

 Personally speaking and please- no offense to anyone, I'm not a fan of city driving and steep bridge and tunnel tolls. When I was 18-21, I drove at a good clip and could deal with aggressive  drivers .
 Prefer not to do it anymore though...
Hope it doesn't come down  to  only regional contests. The weather always plays a role( witness a "winded out" recent event) and the odds are if only regional events were held, a good percentage of them would experience weather woes.
Thanks for considering my .02
Frank

[Dennis Moritz]

Jose, the intimidation of driving to Flushing is real enough. I don't have a solution for that. I was born and raised in NYC and I avoid that drive on the Beltway. So far only one Philly club member that I know of has driven into Brooklyn, let alone Queens. Traumatized. Thoroughly.    No one else I know has ventured. This in the last fifteen years? Going to the Philly field a week after the NATs is just a jog down the NJ and PA turnpike. Over the $!2 bridge (or is it $15 now) and you're at our field in one and a half hours. Not bad. Our field is a challenge, sure. Well you guys are the "top fliers." Our field is no worse than the iconic Garden State where so many "top fliers" deigned to exhibit their rarefied art.    Besides we cook real food. Frequently wives and girl friends and children attend. We are family friendly. If you guys are so over the top good where is your intestinal fortitude. Beat Dan Banjok, Mike Palko, Joe Adamusko and the rest of us where we live!   

You can't really practice at one day contests. Not much anyway. At one time we held our contest at the Willow Grove Naval Air Station. Not possible since 911.

[Ron Heckler]

Jose,

I read your post about our first Fun Fly and the fact that you stated how the food was allocated to our club and any visitors were excluded. I was not going to respond to this, but on behalf of my defense, I feel I should since you made it an issue on this forum.

Being the Treasurer of our club, I felt the club dues could be used to buy food for a Fun Fly and at the same time attract all our club members for a day of flying and fun. When I brought this up to the members everybody was in favor. I did this mainly because we were not getting attendance from other clubs for our contests, and I was trying to keep our club together. I did not advertise this to other clubs because I felt it would be very cold to break for lunch and not include visitors. Almost everybody understood my feelings and agreed with me, but there are always a couple of people who don't.

So there is no need for you to say "this type of behavior MUST STOP". If somebody doesn't take the initiative to do something nothing gets done.

As Will DeMauro said, at our next Fun Fly it was discussed having at least one contest next year. As a matter of fact, I am the one who suggested it. In fact, I showed a sample certificate that I made on the computer to be awarded at the contests, and everybody approved it.  Of course you would have known about this if you had been there.

So, for anybody that is interested in our contests, we are planning on having one Labor Day weekend as we have done in the past.  I will post all the details on this forum next year.
Ron Heckler

[Dennis Moritz]

Hi Frank. Say hello to your son. Always nice to chat with you at the NATs.

Dennis

[ChrisSarnowski]

I am willing to give both the Flushing and Philly contests a shot. Unfortunately I am not one of your top fliers (yet! might take a few more decades) but maybe I can kidnap one to bring along. I have not checked the map but I am guessing 6hrs for me to Philly from Boston.

We should definitely work together on contest dates, at least as far as avoiding conflicts.

Somebody somewhere has a complaint about each and every contest site. No where is perfect for everyone.

-Chris

[Dennis Moritz]

Hi Jose. Always nice to chat with you. Perhaps we need to take a positive look at this. Upbeat. How to do that. Also, there is an obvious omission here, far as contests go. Where is Brodak in this mix? Fabulous facility, best of hosts, great fliers and sportsmen. Practice. Practice. Practice. If you like. An unequaled festive control line event. In district 3. Attendance rivals the hallowed NATs.

[rich gorrill]

Gentlemen, I think it is a great idea that club's try to be more supportive of each other. After returning to control line flying after a long absence I found many things missing. Local hobby shops are almost non-existant, almost everything has to be ordered online. God forbid you forget something they want to charge you crazy shipping rates on small orders. I hooked up with the Philly Flyers, and found a great bunch of guys ready willing and able to get me started flying control line again. Their help has been wonderful. What seems to be missing are young people. I think all the clubs should try to get younger kids interested in flying. I know its not easy in this the computer age, kids would rather play x-box than toss a hand launch glider at the local school yard. Do we need to schudule exibitions at our fields? Where we fly a neshaminy is pretty secluded in the 70s we flew at the Bucks Co. tech school right off one of the main drags in levittown we used to get 10 or 15 people stop in every Sunday to watch us fly. Many new flyers got started just driving by.

Just my H.O.

Rich

[jose modesto]

Ron low blow as to me not attending fun fly.you know my health issues, i could not WALK. Haven't flown a model since July 25. Last,I sent you Email after July 23 2013 stating that I DID NOT WAT TO RECEIVE ANY EMAILS FROM YOU AND I WAS NO LONGER A CLUB MEMBER.
Ron the dates for the fun fly were also changed at the last minute by you, were some guys came to original date and were not aware of the change.
Now let's be real as to why you only invited the flushing club members. You and others were pissed at NJ guys for not attending our 2012 contest.

The facts I presented as to how the fun fly was held,are confirmed by you. As you are aware im no longer a club member and since im not a club member IM NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE DOING.
Ron Back to contest selection,do you have any imput as to which contest to include ?
I fly to compete funflys are Boring and useless for me. I want to return flushing to a major contest again the way it was  just a  few years ago.
Dennis the travel cost to NYC is something that we must consider. What about this, free entry for any traveler??
Jose modesto

[Dennis Moritz]

It's not the cost inhibiting our folks going to Flushing. It's dealing with NY traffic. Intimidating.

[Dennis Moritz]

Hi Crhis. I think a few Philly Flyers have gone to Mass contests over the years. Many of us travel much further. When your contest comes up, as it does, later in the season, I'm usually burnt out. Nats, Brodak, NJ contests. Handling our own contest right after the NATs. Fried. The distance from Boston to Philly is doable in a day. Reasonable motels are a few minutes from the Nexhaminy. Neshaminy has plenty of parking. Practice the day before. The setting is a big plus. Right by the Delaware. Well kept greenery. Much cooler temperatures than Muncie.

[Sina Goudarzi]

I would like to suggest if I may, let's score available fields in the area, then the top three should be the pick for attending next year. Of course for scoring fields you could consider the criteria of condition, capacity, travel time, accessibility, parking, etc. For example, one of the nice field of the area in my opinion is Middlesex, but it's only one circle. Could host smaller meet compare to what has been discussed here.

Even, if there is a possible field which is not a flying field in the area for a possible one weekend meet, it should be consider for the establishment of such event. School parking lots, old airports, etc.

The main picture here is first to agree in attending the chosen meet or meets. This is simply for raising the bar in the area for control line modeling.

How about scoring 1-5 for the locations that we know and see if this would help?

thanx
-sina

[jose modesto]

Dennis. I included the Brodack event as the Wild card contest,many top flyers attend this meet and not the NATS.
  Brodack has to change day two and fly from low to high scores in order to have the top flyers fly closer together to determine a champion.
Dennis if i follow your thinking only Jersey is viable. NYC is out and all contest in D1 are also out.

My concept is un workable if the deciding line  for attendance is north jersey.
No NYC,no mass cup,no stunt in the berkshires ouch.
I guess our fate is written local contest only.
Dennis Brodack has two or three years left and we need a replacement contest.
We need a solution to our dying north east contest.
Dennis my cost to attend the pal park contest tolls $24 gas?? Less than 25 miles from my home.
It's the cost of doing business.
Jose Modesto

[Dennis Moritz]

I suggest an obvious initial criteria. Which local clubs in Dists 1,2,3 held a contest where fliers showed up.

[jose modesto]

I think only D3 had a well attended stunt contest.
D 1 and 2 were lightly attended.
Jose