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Offline John Lindberg

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Digital Stunt News
« on: September 01, 2020, 07:06:43 AM »
I'm curious; what happened to the Digital Stunt News? Wasn't that supposed to happen? Maybe I misunderstood, whatever happened to Chris Rudd? Did not see his name at the C/L Nationals. Wasn't Chris supposed to do the digital version?  D>K

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2020, 07:18:40 AM »
Chris was not at the Nats, I know Chris has a pretty busy life, I think he does the best that he can just maintaining the web site. Its all volunteer sometimes its difficult to write, When I had my column in the print version I would always ask for people to send me stuff. I'm sure Chris would post anything anyone sends him.
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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2020, 07:31:00 AM »
I understand that PAMPA is all volunteer, I'm just wondering if it is advantageous to renew my membership, it's about that time. May not be anywhere to send my re-up subscription.  D>K

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2020, 10:24:13 AM »
Well stuff does get put on the PAMPA web site.  If you are not a member you can't get to it.   I have spent time reading the past issues of Stunt News.   I think keeping the site going cost money.  Maybe David or Chris will chime in on this.  I know I don't miss the paper or disc copies.   D>K
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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2020, 01:18:48 PM »
Hello John.  I get these type questions pretty often.  Despite our best efforts we still have quite a few who haven’t really gotten the low-down of how we operate these days.  So let me explain:

“Stunt News” as we knew it doesn’t exist any longer.  We simply ran out of funds to print and mail any more. Also we had the ‘professional staff’ retire. Now the organization is entirely digital-on line.  Chris Rud is our web master.  He functions also to a limited degree as ‘editor’, though we don’t really have an on line monthly or bimonthly magazine per say.  Things are added to the site as they are written and submitted by others mostly.  When nothing comes in, nothing goes up.  Take that as a hint!  Chris nor myself are really generating any new content.  What we HAVE BEEN doing is preparing and uploading the entire PAST library of Stunt News for everyone to use.  In short I have been saying we moved out of the publishing business into or back into the governing/organizational business of the founding.
The organization is on firm ground and moving forward.  We invite all to renew or join on the website.  If you don’t PayPal we can take a mailed check- but really prefer it if you will use the automated system on the website. 
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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2020, 02:22:42 PM »
Thanks, Dave, good answers! D>K

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2020, 03:41:38 PM »
Hello John.  I get these type questions pretty often.  Despite our best efforts we still have quite a few who haven’t really gotten the low-down of how we operate these days.  So let me explain:

“Stunt News” as we knew it doesn’t exist any longer.  We simply ran out of funds to print and mail any more. Also we had the ‘professional staff’ retire. Now the organization is entirely digital-on line.  Chris Rud is our web master.  He functions also to a limited degree as ‘editor’, though we don’t really have an on line monthly or bimonthly magazine per say.  Things are added to the site as they are written and submitted by others mostly.  When nothing comes in, nothing goes up.  Take that as a hint!  Chris nor myself are really generating any new content.  What we HAVE BEEN doing is preparing and uploading the entire PAST library of Stunt News for everyone to use.  In short I have been saying we moved out of the publishing business into or back into the governing/organizational business of the founding.
The organization is on firm ground and moving forward.  We invite all to renew or join on the website.  If you don’t PayPal we can take a mailed check- but really prefer it if you will use the automated system on the website. 
Join, share and contribute.

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Dave....I did not re-up because I don't use PP and didn't send a check either.
However....for many on-line orders of hobby and other stuff I have been using PP as a 'guest' when there is no other card option.
This function is not enabled for PAMPA dues payment.
The same problem exists for the Stunthangar forum donations....no guest function.
I read up a bit on all this and it seems that the payee has an option to turn on the guest function....or not....in order for folks to use a VISA or whatever credit card they have to pay THROUGH PP.
Likely SH and PAMPA are missing out on some funds because of this.
I asked Sparky about this but nothing happened.....mebby you can get it going for PAMPA renewals.

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2020, 03:50:17 PM »
Well actually it is my goal to dump pp once we get the Visa/MasterCard function working.  I got through all the hoops and other arrangements with the bank.  Chris has just been having some tech hang ups getting it working.  PayPal is totally unhelpful.  They still think I’m the former treasurer and won’t change it.  We had to trick it to get the money going to the right bank.  It’s history eventually but works well enough as is for now.

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2020, 07:10:26 PM »
I don't like to use PayPal because they took money out of my checking account to pay a disputed bill without my permission. Not good!

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2020, 07:22:21 PM »
As a USER on Ebay for 4-5 years and many transactions It's worked pretty well for me.  I did have one issue like you did a couple years ago.  They took a side and I lost a couple hundred but that was unusual.  I still use it quite a bit.  The IMPOSSIBLE with them is trying to transfer account ownership.  You get the idea they have maybe two people with an attitude running the thing.

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2020, 06:43:03 AM »
PP is handy, they want ALOT of information (mainly bank account) to correct a mistake (not sure how that happened). I give up with them. Where do I send a check? HB~>

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2020, 07:19:32 AM »
Well actually it is my goal to dump pp once we get the Visa/MasterCard function working.  I got through all the hoops and other arrangements with the bank.  Chris has just been having some tech hang ups getting it working.  PayPal is totally unhelpful.  They still think I’m the former treasurer and won’t change it.  We had to trick it to get the money going to the right bank.  It’s history eventually but works well enough as is for now.

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Dave....here is a PP link that shows how to turn on the guest function.
https://developer.paypal.com/docs/integration/direct/payments/guest-payments/#
This would help the PAMPA renewal situation until Chris can get the credit card function working.
Perhaps someone can help Chris because this has been going on for some time now....a couple of years at least.

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2020, 08:33:48 AM »
I’m sorry but I’m not going to fiddle with it.  You can just mail a check.  PAMPA has been using PP for a number of years.  I just got the merchant license for PAMPA to obtain the Visa/MasterCard right before the Nats.  Chris wanted to put that on hold a while to get some of the other projects done.  Hopefully he’ll get back to that pretty soon.  We are sorry things move slowly sometimes.  He and I both still work full time ‘real jobs’ ,  and he also travels and has a young family.   I for one am tolerating PP but don’t want to create any more messes to fix there.

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2020, 09:50:24 AM »
Dave thanks for the link. I will turn on that feature for stunt Hangar when I get home


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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2020, 11:01:18 AM »
        The essential truth of organizations like this, PAMPA for certain, is that they depend on the extraordinary efforts of a few individuals. We tend to lean on them, because they can get stuff done, until they finally get burned out, and then we have to find more of them to do the same.

     You would like to think that this effort can be spread out to reduce the load on any one individual, but that generally doesn't work, and the people showing the most aptitude get more and more responsibility, putting the onus back onto the same few people. If those people decide one day to say, "hey, that's not my job" and don't just take care of something someone else missed/skipped, it causes an almost immediate crisis. There have been some notable examples over the years.

   I am essentially retired from PAMPA after what I consider a reasonable tenure, and I removed myself from after about 20 years because the executive jobs consist primarily of either cajoling people who work hard to keep doing it, or to continually attempting to find, say, the next Tom Morris or Shareen Fancher. Or, frankly, defending them and the other people like them from attacks (which were *continuous* and  *vicious* throughout the time I did it). That went on for years before it became a public topic in 2004, and I assure you, what came out in public was *a tiny fraction*, the mere *tip of the iceberg*, of what was actually going on for many years before that. Now that is mostly over with - I think - but the endless search for the next group of "can do" people certainly continues.

  I proved to be pretty good at defending people, but recruiting and glad-handing people into doing what can be very difficult or onerous jobs is definitely not my forte', so PAMPA needed someone else, with a different skill set.

   The other half of the problem is that while there are plenty of people who want to get elected to positions in PAMPA, there are not a lot of people who actually want to do anything. There were people who just about disappeared once elected, I never heard from them, they didn't even do their assigned columns, much less get involved with the rather boring matters of deciding what to ask Shareen, or Tom Morris, or Tom McClain, or ...  to do.  It's not like there are 15 people deciding for a 100-man staff, it's an inverted pyramid, where there are nominally 15 people deciding things in an abstract matter, for 2 people to implement. We have all the trappings of a big business, but outside the 2-3 people, there are nothing but the "trappings".

    And at times, these people raised the standards to such high levels that it didn't seem sustainable, and I know that Ted (when president) and me (when VP) had to sometimes  try to hold people back in their unbridled enthusiasm.

     Even then, with any hard or unpleasant decisions, it was down to a few EC members, and a lot of the others that were supposed to be deciding might just as well have been teleported to Alpha Centauri for all I could tell - presumably because it was a hard decision that they didn't want to deal with. It's a lot easier to just ignore it when it doesn't seem like the fun figurehead job you expected.

    This the reality. The people running PAMPA are precious and hard to find, and the entire enterprise depends on keeping the people currently doing all the work on the (unpaid and frequently abusive) job, or finding new extraordinary people to replace them. Part of the important work of PAMPA going forward is to keep the scope of the work bounded, to relieve the pressure on finding or cultivating people who are capable and willing to do it.

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2020, 09:54:06 PM »
Amen, Brett!  y1
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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2020, 11:08:54 PM »
Dave thanks for the link. I will turn on that feature for stunt Hangar when I get home


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I’m sorry but I’m not going to fiddle with it.  You can just mail a check. 

Sparky.....thanks for that.....I'll have a catch up donation once it starts working.

Dave....I'm sorry but I'm not going to fiddle with mailing a check....I'll just wait....no problem.

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2020, 04:58:31 AM »
Sparky.....thanks for that.....I'll have a catch up donation once it starts working.

Dave....I'm sorry but I'm not going to fiddle with mailing a check....I'll just wait....no problem.
  Very well.  The thing is so screwed up to change anything that it not worth trying.  Each time to make a change it sends out a verification code to reply back-to the FORMER treasurer- who won't be involved or even answer his phone to help.  Since I can't input this code it refuses to do anything.  Literally hours of phone calls to PayPal yields either no return calls or flat refusals to help.  To do what you wish (and you are the first and ONLY who has ever asked for it) requires me to hit that endless wall again.  As long as it is doing MOST of what we need it to do right now I call it a draw with them.

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2020, 10:54:37 AM »
  Very well.  The thing is so screwed up to change anything that it not worth trying.  Each time to make a change it sends out a verification code to reply back-to the FORMER treasurer- who won't be involved or even answer his phone to help.  Since I can't input this code it refuses to do anything.  Literally hours of phone calls to PayPal yields either no return calls or flat refusals to help.  To do what you wish (and you are the first and ONLY who has ever asked for it) requires me to hit that endless wall again.  As long as it is doing MOST of what we need it to do right now I call it a draw with them.

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Hi Dave,

I'm so sorry you have reached this point of frustration. This is one reason why I suggested, but never got any traction, that all PAMPA emails for officers be on a @pampacl.org domain created email address, so that PAMPA would have some control over future situations just like this one that you are suffering.

If you want to future-proof PAMPA in this regard right now, setup a President@ VP @ Sec@ Treas@ etc and just turn on forwarding to the current officers regular personal email. When they leave office, turn off that forwarding, and re-forward to the next victim, ahem, I mean officer.  ;) Usually the domain hosting package comes with a default bundle of email addresses that you probably aren't even using.

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2020, 01:21:40 PM »
Hi Dave,

I'm so sorry you have reached this point of frustration. This is one reason why I suggested, but never got any traction, that all PAMPA emails for officers be on a @pampacl.org domain created email address, so that PAMPA would have some control over future situations just like this one that you are suffering.

If you want to future-proof PAMPA in this regard right now, setup a President@ VP @ Sec@ Treas@ etc and just turn on forwarding to the current officers regular personal email. When they leave office, turn off that forwarding, and re-forward to the next victim, ahem, I mean officer.  ;) Usually the domain hosting package comes with a default bundle of email addresses that you probably aren't even using.

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Re: Digital Stunt News
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2020, 01:37:43 PM »
I'll look into it...but may be asking for your help.

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