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Title: Differences between a Juno and a Super Ares?
Post by: Mark Romanowitz on August 07, 2017, 03:51:14 PM

Aside from the name what are the differences between the Super Ares and the Juno?

I briefly saw the plans for a Super Ares last night at a friend's shop, and I have a set of Juno plans at home, but I didn't get the opportunity to look at the Super Ares plans in detail to compare the two.

Can anyone help out here?

Thanks,

Mark

Title: Re: Differences between a Juno and a Super Ares?
Post by: Dan McEntee on August 07, 2017, 04:58:47 PM

  Two completely different airplanes, probably twenty years or more between the design stages of each?  Both by Billy, the Juno doesn't have as much wing taper, and I'll bet the airfoils are really different.  Super Ares is a I-Beamer and Juno is not if I remember correctly?  I'm thinking the Super Ares might be a bit bigger?  That's what I can remember off the cuff.
   Dan McEntee

Title: Re: Differences between a Juno and a Super Ares?
Post by: Skip Chernoff on August 07, 2017, 06:17:57 PM

Mark since you have the opportunity to look at the Super Ares Plan,is it large enough to fit an ST 60?

Title: Re: Differences between a Juno and a Super Ares?
Post by: EddyR on August 07, 2017, 07:46:09 PM

  Haven built several Juno's I can tell you this. The published Juno had built up flaps ,airfoiled but there were some built with flat flaps by Billy. Also the Juno has a larger stab percentage wise than the Super Ares. Billy built several sizes of the Juno design starting with a .35 size one long before the .46 size one was published.  I do have pictures of all of them if there is interest. The Juno airfoil is the same as the USA-1 at the center but is very thin at the tip because of the large taper in the wing. Alignment on the Juno is the most critical of any model I have ever built.
 One of my last Juno's with reshaped rudder and geodetic ribs.

Title: Re: Differences between a Juno and a Super Ares?
Post by: Jim Oliver on August 07, 2017, 08:10:20 PM

Pictures of Billy's planes are ALWAYS welcome :)

I have a Juno kit to build if I live long enough....

Jim

Title: Re: Differences between a Juno and a Super Ares?
Post by: M Spencer on August 07, 2017, 09:29:37 PM

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The three "major" Ares are the '59 (kitted by Ambroid and now Brodak and published in American Modeler in 1960), the '62 Ares (never kitted nor published), and the "Super" Ares (also not kitted nor published).  At the time, Billy could not get the right power in the '62 Ares so he went back to the '59 version and soon the Super Ares (K&B .45).  Billy says that now, with modern powerplants, these are great planes.  Contest results back this up.  :o   ;D

Randy Smith has all three plans, all were drawn from the originals by Warren Tiahart (yes Billy still has the originals).

Big Bear

Dunno if this is a Super ares . think it might be. Got the plan someone kindly sent me .
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ucdAmy5iJSw/hqdefault.jpg)

a Vulcan from the A M A Mag, just to confuse the issue .

(https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/photos-of-werwage-vulcan/?action=dlattach;attach=253976)

(http://s009.radikal.ru/i309/1610/53/ed1279932cb3.jpg)

Juno .

(http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/media/209947/full)

Title: Re: Differences between a Juno and a Super Ares?
Post by: M Spencer on August 07, 2017, 09:40:03 PM

pulled a few more from here : https://stunthanger.com/smf/as-time-goes-bye/bill-werwage-stunt-grunt-scan-photos-of-today-his-usa-1/

(https://stunthanger.com/smf/as-time-goes-bye/bill-werwage-stunt-grunt-scan-photos-of-today-his-usa-1/?action=dlattach;attach=38226;image)

(https://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11368.0;attach=39578;image)

Any Complaints , see the Manager . n1

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AxsAAOSwhOdXn7Ls/s-l1600.jpg)
Juno .

Title: Re: Differences between a Juno and a Super Ares?
Post by: Brad LaPointe on August 08, 2017, 05:55:45 AM

For a very interesting piece about a lot of Bill's planes read the download accompanying the USA -1 article posted on Outerzone .

Brad

Title: Re: Differences between a Juno and a Super Ares?
Post by: EddyR on August 08, 2017, 06:13:38 AM

Here is the 1960's Fox 35 powered Juno.  Bubble canopy and Ares style rudder.
Ed

Title: Re: Differences between a Juno and a Super Ares?
Post by: EddyR on August 08, 2017, 06:25:58 AM

  I think this is Billy's  first .46 powered Juno

Title: Re: Differences between a Juno and a Super Ares?
Post by: Mark Romanowitz on August 08, 2017, 04:38:16 PM

Thanks Everyone, for the comments and photos..

I will have to order some plans from Randy then.. (Thanks, Bob!)

Mark