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Title: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Motorman on January 28, 2021, 09:00:20 PM
The state of NJ gave me the go ahead. I'm now qualified to get my shot. Of course no place is taking appointments because they say there's no vaccine but I got the green light so, I got that going for me. My prediction, By the time I get the shot, either I won't need it or it won't work on the mutation.

Motorman 8)
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: TCL on January 28, 2021, 09:44:37 PM
I am not eligible yet, but am in the next group that opens up. I'm happy for you. Can't wait for the pandemic to end, and vaccination is what will get us there.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dick Pacini on January 28, 2021, 11:36:08 PM
Mine is scheduled for next Tuesday, 2-2-21.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Leidle on January 28, 2021, 11:40:01 PM
  They can't get the 1st group inoculated so they open it up to a second group here in Washington. I expect no less. But it's a
 "World Wide Pony Show"  Same idiocy in Europe, the Far East... not enough serum to go around.... I'm happy to wait a few months for mine....
                 John L.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Trostle on January 29, 2021, 12:57:38 AM
Colorado got something right.  Or at least the Colorado University Health care system did.

My wife and I got our second shots a week ago.

Keith
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Park on January 29, 2021, 03:28:12 AM
We're doing OK over here in the good old UK of GB and NI: an 86-year-old neighbour had her second Pfizer shot a couple of weeks ago, and I had my first Astra-Zeneca shot last Saturday (no side-effects so far).  This is all National Health Service, of course - free at point of use, paid for out of taxes.  Sometimes, the NHS might not be quite perfect, but it's handling vaccinations very well, in my area at least.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: qaz049 on January 29, 2021, 04:37:11 AM
We're doing OK over here in the good old UK of GB and NI: an 86-year-old neighbour had her second Pfizer shot a couple of weeks ago, and I had my first Astra-Zeneca shot last Saturday (no side-effects so far).  This is all National Health Service, of course - free at point of use, paid for out of taxes.  Sometimes, the NHS might not be quite perfect, but it's handling vaccinations very well, in my area at least.

Same here in Australia. Over the last 24 hours there have been no new infections in the whole continent.

Damn this Marxist hell!
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: ray copeland on January 29, 2021, 05:44:27 AM
My 2nd shot is scheduled for 2-10.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Rist on January 29, 2021, 06:29:25 AM
Alabama seems to have it's act together. I got my COVID-19 Vaccination Moderna 1st dose  1/22/2021.  y1
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: peabody on January 29, 2021, 06:40:29 AM
The idiot Governor here in Florida decided to ignore CDC guidelines and inoculate old voters 65 and up first. He underordered from the Feds and let Counties decide how to get the shot into arms.

Most Counties have the population registering by TEXT MESSAGE, a move that excluded a large percentage of poor and minorities.

His latest move is to allow a supermarket chain that just gave his campaign $100,000.00 to administer the vaccine, but primarily in Counties that voted for him.

The VA is following the CDC guidelines and has almost all first responders and hospital employees and plans to administer to Federal nursing homes next. Then Vets deemed "very needy" because of medical situations.

The idiot Governor has proclaimed that he doesn't need Federal help.

   
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on January 29, 2021, 06:45:07 AM
I have gotten both shots now and so far I havent grown a tail or developed gills.  I had the Pfizer Vaccine.  They told me 7-10 days from getting the second shot for immunity.
Ochsner Health System here in Louisiana has done a great job of administration and is very well organized.
Mike
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dennis Moritz on January 29, 2021, 06:53:10 AM
hmm. Change in outlook
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Randy Powell on January 29, 2021, 08:27:42 AM
I get my next hit on 2/2. First went fine. Pfizer.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Park on January 29, 2021, 08:48:09 AM
Same here in Australia. Over the last 24 hours there have been no new infections in the whole continent.

Damn this Marxist hell!
I envy you.  We're an island too, but placed just right (or wrong!) for masses of international travellers to descend upon us from all over the place.  The airports we could maybe do something about, but the English Channel is navigable in a rubber dinghy (someone once crossed it in a bathtub) and a lot of unwelcome visitors sneak in that way.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Leidle on January 29, 2021, 09:39:47 AM
  The Seattle area is in a Befuddlement I assure you. Last night they cancelled a friend of ours appointment relocated her place of inject & gave her a week delay not to mention a hospital announced at 11:00 PM last night they had some soon to go bad vaccine for anyone at the University ,, first come first served ,  sorry I missed that stampede.
        John L.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Gerald Arana on January 29, 2021, 09:41:59 AM
The state of NJ gave me the go ahead. I'm now qualified to get my shot. Of course no place is taking appointments because they say there's no vaccine but I got the green light so, I got that going for me. My prediction, By the time I get the shot, either I won't need it or it won't work on the mutation.

Motorman 8)

NO! And I'm not going to get it. Here's the reason why; Dr. Simone Gold.

Go to www.KSCO.com and click on her lecture and you will be as amazed as I was.

This is a "experimental vaccine" and is NOT recommended. Now don't go shooting me, I'm just the messenger.

Enjoy, Jerry

PS: I'm 81. and don't shive a git.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: dave siegler on January 29, 2021, 09:54:29 AM
I have a friend in Health Care the just got his second shot.  He has some  side affects. 

He is so happy he cant stop doing the macarena
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Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: RC Storick on January 29, 2021, 09:56:00 AM
Seeing as this is dna alternating drug no one may know the effects for a generation. Someone can have my dose thank you


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Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Phil Spillman on January 29, 2021, 10:03:52 AM
I have a friend in York, PA who got his shot #1 from the VA in Lebanon, PA. His second one is scheduled for early February. Good for the VA! Our Virginia Democrat Gov. is following the Pelosi Schumer duo and continuing to SCREW up every possible avenue! All I hear out of Richmond is how great things will be once somebody does something!!!!!!!!!!!! So where's the shots for us 82.75 year olds?  I'll bet we finally get it by Thanksgiving!

Phil Spillman
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: jfv on January 29, 2021, 04:41:04 PM
Got my 1st shot, 2nd shot this Monday!
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: pmackenzie on January 29, 2021, 04:50:45 PM
Seeing as this is dna alternating drug no one may know the effects for a generation. Someone can have my dose thank you


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This is a new approach to making vaccines, but it does not "alter" your DNA.

 It uses a bunch of messenger RNA strands, something your cells make to create proteins.
This new mRNA tricks your cells into producing a tiny part of the virus, and your immune system learns to attack those bits.
Once the mRNA is used up it is gone from your system.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Guy Markham on January 29, 2021, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: RC Storick link=topic=58839.msg60749ff#msg607495 date=1611939360
Seeing as this is dna alternating drug no one may know the effects for a generation. Someone can have my dose thank you


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                                                      That goes for me also,  Dr. Guy Markham
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: RC Storick on January 29, 2021, 05:33:05 PM
This is a new approach to making vaccines, but it does not "alter" your DNA.

 It uses a bunch of messenger RNA strands, something your cells make to create proteins.
This new mRNA tricks your cells into producing a tiny part of the virus, and your immune system learns to attack those bits.
Once the mRNA is used up it is gone from your system.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

watch this video before considering getting it. There are hundreds of videos just like this one https://rumble.com/vcvlej-shawn-stelton-moderna-vaccine-reaction.html

totally normal https://rumble.com/vbzcit-covid-nurse-looses-consciousness-after-taking-vaccine.html I'll pass
And info here https://rumble.com/vc2ted-if-you-have-a-severe-reaction-to-or-side-effects-from-covid-vaccine-too-bad.html
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Alan Buck on January 29, 2021, 05:37:21 PM
no me to young and to healthy to get it need to be 65  in pa me 64
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Gary Dowler on January 29, 2021, 09:24:08 PM
I would just say, use caution.  The German health ministry just said they will not administer the Atra/Zeneca vaccines to anyone over 64 (I do not know your age) because it appears to be less than 8% effective above that age. Then there was the legendary Hank Aaron who took the Moderna vaccine trying to encourage minorities to do it, then started to become ill 2 days later, and quite unexpectedly died 10 days after that.

But hey, it’s free, right?
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dave Harmon on January 29, 2021, 09:52:25 PM
I got mine 10 days ago....so far so good!!
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on January 29, 2021, 10:02:46 PM
Same here in Australia. Over the last 24 hours there have been no new infections in the whole continent.

Damn this Marxist hell!

  Yes, all you had to do is accept a police state. Patrick Henry, you sure aren't.

    Brett
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: AirClassix on January 29, 2021, 10:40:46 PM
First injection today; our local clinic is VERY efficient and well-managed.  Can't expect big brother to run up and down every street in town to deliver, our government is already TOO BLOATED.

 HB~>
Dennis
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dan McEntee on January 29, 2021, 10:54:15 PM
   Well I'm not in line for it until I can feel a HELL of a lot more comfortable about it for several reasons.
     
    1) The poor track record of even producing a flu vaccine that works with any kind of predictability and consistency. Always lots of excuses on why this years or last years flu vaccine was largely ineffective. I won't accept, "Well, it's better than nothing" approach.

    2) You have 5 or 6 companies vying for the dollars that are involved in this, they ain't doing it for free! Which one is the best? Which one is the safest? Then revert back to reason #1. Especially for a vaccine that has to be kept at -95 degrees??? And some don't have to be frozen at all??

    3) You can say what you want about how the election turned out, but the CDC, WHO, and a whole host of others have been far from being fully forth coming on just what we are dealing with here. Faucci has admitted lying and stretching the truth numerous time numerous times because he didn't think we could grasp the situation or couldn't handle the truth. What is he, my Dad???Excuse me, but I think I can be the best judge of that. He's as much a dithering old man as Biden is! And so is Bix or what ever her name is. I think they are glowing examples of the saying that, " Those that can, do. Those that can't teach. And all the rest are in administration!

   4)  There is such a disparity among who gets really sick and dies, and who doesn't even show any symptoms. I don't think they have a full handle on the thing yet and can not predict anything about it. You can't believe any of the numbers put out because they have admitted making errors there and it has been proven that they are inflating the numbers. If you got hit by a truck and died but had tested positive for Covid, you are listed as a Covid related death. Now, people are dying after getting the vaccine in Europe, and they are listed as dying from their original health issues . The MSM touts all the grim numbers, "100 million cases world wide !!" and things like that, but don't follow that up with that all those cases are not still active, people that get it do get better, a very, very high number of them.  The MSM media is definitely not helping the situation by any stretch of the imagination!!

   No, count me out. I'm sorry but I'm not a Guinea pig.
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on January 30, 2021, 12:13:23 AM
The MSM media is definitely not helping the situation by any stretch of the imagination!!

   Oh, they are helping, just not helping you or most of the rest of the country.

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No, count me out. I'm sorry but I'm not a Guinea pig.

   Do as you will of course, but I think that is probably not a good idea. While there is no doubt whatsoever that this entire episode has been characterized by blatant lies, manipulation, fraud, etc., the inescapable fact is that Wuhan Flu is dangerous and particular so the older the group you look at, and while there have been apocryphal stories about side effects and bad reactions, something like 20 million people have been vaccinated so far with very low incidence of side effects.

  I am in California Tier 1C, 50-65 year old critical defense worker, so I am probably going to become eligible in a week or so, I am getting it as soon as I can.

     Brett

Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dave_Trible on January 30, 2021, 05:13:56 AM
I grew up in the age of measles, mumps, polio, chicken pocks, rubella, scarlet fever and scarletina.  I had most of them except polio but the little girl next door did and was paralyzed from the waist down because her (wealthier than most in the neighborhood) parents didn't get her vaccinated.  That's why my ears are mostly burned out.  Vaccines saved my children from suffering ANY of these diseases. I'd have to think about taking the risk of a minor discomfort taking the vaccine...for about five seconds.   My arm is eager for the shot.  I hope in the next few weeks.

Dave

I wonder....how many who are hesitant about getting the shot spent their younger years putting whatever they could get their hands on in their bodies for kicks?
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Chuck_Smith on January 30, 2021, 06:30:18 AM
I wonder how many people will turn down a miracle?

I must re-iterate from above - the vaccine does not alter your DNA. 

My wife gets hers next week and I'm thankful for that. 

As far as clinical trials, the millions already administered at this point kind of makes them moot. 

Plus, we live in the year 2021.

Some of us need to stop acting like it's 1897.

Science works.

Chuck
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Frank Imbriaco on January 30, 2021, 07:07:52 AM
Florida has been very nice to the Mrs. and me .
Got first two weeks ago and in another week, done with # 2.
Thank you, Gov. Ron DeSantis !
Meanwhile in NJ Gov  Phil Murphy ,a.k.a. "Puxsutawney Phil", is doing his usual stumbling and bumbling.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on January 30, 2021, 07:18:52 AM
I grew up in the age of measles, mumps, polio, chicken pocks, rubella, scarlet fever and scarletina.  I had most of them except polio but the little girl next door did and was paralyzed from the waist down because her (wealthier than most in the neighborhood) parents didn't get her vaccinated.  That's why my ears are mostly burned out.  Vaccines saved my children from suffering ANY of these diseases. I'd have to think about taking the risk of a minor discomfort taking the vaccine...for about five seconds.   My arm is eager for the shot.  I hope in the next few weeks.

Dave

I wonder....how many who are hesitant about getting the shot spent their younger years putting whatever they could get their hands on in their bodies for kicks?

I totally agree with Dave on this issue.  I had those diseases as well, except for Polio, thank the Lord, and I also knew a person who came down with polio and is crippled as a result.  I am 73 and suffer from emphysema from smoking to many cigarettes when I was younger.....I wasn't going to chance it. 

For now, this is still America and if you choose not to take it, that is your choice. 

Mike
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Berry on January 30, 2021, 07:56:00 AM


I wonder how many people will turn down a miracle?

Chuck

Miracles come from God and have a 100% success rate. This "vaccine"....doesn't qualify. My immune system has a better success rate.

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Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Rist on January 30, 2021, 09:54:18 AM

Miracles come from God and have a 100% success rate. This "vaccine"....doesn't qualify. My immune system has a better success rate.

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The miracle is that God created man with a mind that can find cures for nasty things such as this nasty China virous.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Larry Renger on January 30, 2021, 09:58:32 AM
My wife and I got our first shots at Disneyland! 😃
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dan McEntee on January 30, 2021, 10:11:53 AM
The miracle is that God created man with a mind that can find cures for nasty things such as this nasty China virous.

    And He also created nasty people with nasty minds that like to perpetrate nasty things like the nasty Wuhan China Virus. And the nasty people also that like to perpetrate the nasty hateful mind set that likes to politicize such things to spread fear amongst innocent people. And there is good reason to believe that this is what the whole nasty thing is about.  Time will tell.

   Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: pmackenzie on January 30, 2021, 10:42:50 AM
To quote Paul Simon "These are the days of miracles and wonder" .

Great song, cranked up, with a good sub ;)
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Motorman on January 30, 2021, 10:45:48 AM
Meanwhile, in our home state of NJ, Gov Murphy, a.k.a. "Puxsutawney Phil" is doing his usual stumbling and bumbling.

IBTL, You got that right brother.


Motorman 8)
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Skip Chernoff on January 30, 2021, 10:50:50 AM
My wife and I have not gotten a shot.We have been on the computer filling out applications all week .We are waitng to hear from someome. This is really messed up.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: john e. holliday on January 30, 2021, 11:01:25 AM
I've had all those childhood diseases and is the reason I was behind my Kindergarden classmates.   Got the polio vaccine because it was required.   The last flu shot caused me about a week of work.   Haven't had one since.   At my age I won't chance another vaccine. D>K 
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Trostle on January 30, 2021, 11:28:36 AM
When it was first announced that a Covid vaccine would soon be available, I thought that I did not want to be first in line.  My experiences with Flu shots were bad where I had sad reactions compared to the few times I did get some form of the Flu without taking the shots.   About two months ago, I asked my cardiologist what he thought about the vaccine and he said he would get it as soon as it became available to him.  He explained that a live virus is not being injected.  I then started to realize that this virus was going to be around for awhile - that it was probably just not going away any time soon.  I am 80 and diabetic.  I truly believe that it is likely just a matter of time before I am exposed and get the disease with a not too bright of an outcome.  So, my decision to proceed with the shots (now completed) was based on my feeling to fight this thing directly rather than wait for the otherwise probable outcome of contracting the disease.

Keith
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Leidle on January 30, 2021, 11:53:03 AM
   Well said Keith.  My one & only reaction to a vaccine was 5 years ago for  a second ( booster) for Phenomia . Felt like I was hung over for 2 days otherwise never.     
  John L.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: peabody on January 30, 2021, 12:35:11 PM
Since I was diagnosed with Guillaine-Barre Syndrome in 1998, I have been cautioned not to take egg based shots.
As I aged, I realize that even the flu was a lot more dangerous to my (shot) immune system than the shot. I have been getting flu shots for the last 10 years or so....always have a reaction....even more numbness in my feet and fingers, slight fever and a little nausea.
Same reaction to the shingles shots, only a little worse.
Still better than tipping up my toes.

I got my first COVID shot a couple weeks ago....no reaction whatsoever....get the second on 2/7.

Choices.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Carl Cisneros on January 31, 2021, 09:53:25 AM
I registered for the shot on line a couple weeks ago and finally got a reply from the Prince William County Health folks. (am in N. VA)
They stated that they received my registration request and at this time they do not have enough vaccine to go around and
that it will take weeks and possibly MONTHS to get enough to fill requests. I am in the 65 and up category.
The first responders and teachers, ect., were supposed to receive theirs, but there is not enough even here for them.
Will just have to wait patiently to get mine.

Carl Cisneros

been working on a plane for my daughter. Her first one. Taught her to fly at the middle school up the road this past summer. Will be an electrified Twister in her choice of colors. (Circus Pink, Purple and White)
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dick Tyndall on January 31, 2021, 01:14:48 PM
   My son got me scheduled for my first shot this coming Wednesday ( 2/3 ) at Randolph Macon College in Ashland, Virginia ( just above Richmond ). I am told they will schedule my second shot then. Sure is nice when your kids are looking out for you, huh?

              Dick Tyndall
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Oldenginerod on January 31, 2021, 11:46:56 PM
I have a number of friends who are doctors and nurses.  They all claim that they wouldn't get the shot, even to the point of resigning their jobs if they are  forced to have it.  That's good enough for me.  We have no way of knowing what it contains, so it's a no from me.  Not for a couple more years anyway.  Thanks to all the Guinea Pigs out there who are making sure that by the time I have mine, any bugs will be sorted out.  I honour your sacrifice.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dick Pacini on February 01, 2021, 05:09:27 AM
Getting my 1st shot today.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Chuck_Smith on February 01, 2021, 05:49:34 AM
Getting my 1st shot today.

If my doctor couldn't explain what's in a vaccine I'd get a new doctor.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Thomas on February 01, 2021, 03:53:32 PM
I have a number of friends who are doctors and nurses.  They all claim that they wouldn't get the shot, even to the point of resigning their jobs if they are  forced to have it. 

Interesting, coming medical professionals. The various vaccines have been through trials and approval processes, and have now been administered to millions of people. We have a pretty good idea what they do. We’ve also seen millions of deaths and a worldwide recession due to COVID, so we’ve got a pretty good idea what that does, too. Personally I’d prefer a vaccine.


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We have no way of knowing what it contains, so it's a no from me.

This took me roughly 20 seconds to find out:

WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE?
The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine includes the following ingredients: mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3- phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Motorman on February 01, 2021, 04:30:28 PM
WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE?
The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine includes the following ingredients: mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3- phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.

That's the exact same formula as Missile Mist.  DK^
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on February 01, 2021, 04:43:08 PM
I needed a good laugh.  Thanks Walter on the Missile Mist.  Good one.

Mike
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on February 01, 2021, 04:48:15 PM
Interesting, coming medical professionals. The various vaccines have been through trials and approval processes, and have now been administered to millions of people. We have a pretty good idea what they do. We’ve also seen millions of deaths and a worldwide recession due to COVID, so we’ve got a pretty good idea what that does, too. Personally I’d prefer a vaccine.

  The recession is not because of Wuhan.

     Brett
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Fitton on February 01, 2021, 04:57:51 PM
Got the Moderna shot today.  Feel pretty weird now.  All those microchips hurt like hell when they go in.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Jim Svitko on February 01, 2021, 05:25:28 PM
Got the Moderna shot today.  Feel pretty weird now.  All those microchips hurt like hell when they go in.

Those microchips could be useful.  You might be lost one day and end up in a shelter.   Your dog will be notified to come and get you.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Park on February 02, 2021, 04:33:11 AM
The only word I've heard locally about side-effects is from our local crazy cat lady, to whom bad things happen on a regular basis.  She developed a temperature of 106 F. and had to be carted off in an ambulance and placed on a drip for some hours.  She seems OK now, and as weird as ever!
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Leidle on February 02, 2021, 07:40:36 AM
   106 ?
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on February 02, 2021, 08:05:08 AM
  Some reasons not to get it if your on the fence.
https://lbry.tv/@OpenMindHere:f/Dr.-Simone-Gold---The-truth-about-the-CV19-vaccine:4?fbclid=IwAR3yC2DyQBKDRkVP1SYPbYKp4ebTHRCamKABn3MKu_GJX_UaCFyy38yS_vk
Al
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dick Pacini on February 02, 2021, 08:37:25 AM
Got the Moderna shot today.  Feel pretty weird now.  All those microchips hurt like hell when they go in.

The microchips aren't in the vaccine.  They are on the outside of the syringe, so that date and location of the injection can be verified.

I had the first Moderna shot yesterday and feel no different, other than a bit of soreness in my arm, like when any other shot is given.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Park on February 02, 2021, 08:43:09 AM
   106 ?
That's what she told us.  However, she has been known to exaggerate, so I think 100.6 F is more likely.  She's still very much alive, which you generally aren't if your temperature has gone up to 106.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Leidle on February 02, 2021, 12:29:45 PM
  I was kidding .  My wife got sick once 105 but she was pretty young...
        John L.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Thomas on February 02, 2021, 02:38:48 PM
  Some reasons not to get it if your on the fence.
https://lbry.tv/@OpenMindHere:f/Dr.-Simone-Gold---The-truth-about-the-CV19-vaccine:4?fbclid=IwAR3yC2DyQBKDRkVP1SYPbYKp4ebTHRCamKABn3MKu_GJX_UaCFyy38yS_vk
Al

Is that the Dr Simone Gold who claimed that “there’s no scientific basis that the average American should be concerned about Covid-19”, and that the vaccines are an “experimental biological agent”, and who was recently arrested for her part in the Capitol riots?
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on February 02, 2021, 06:03:22 PM
Is that the Dr Simone Gold who claimed that “there’s no scientific basis that the average American should be concerned about Covid-19”, and that the vaccines are an “experimental biological agent”, and who was recently arrested for her part in the Capitol riots?
   Dr Simone Gold is one of the Frontline doctors who recommended the use of hydroxychloroquin and other drugs for treatment of COVID-19. She is saying COVID-19 is treatable, especially if you catch it early. Many Studies have proven her to be right and AMA has recently came out and said hydroxychloroquine is approved for treatment of COVID-19. She states the the COVID-19 vaccines are experimental, which they are. The doctors have been vilified by big Pharma and Fauci. Big Pharma and Fauci wanted a vaccine for the dollars, not a inexpensive treatment like HCQ which has been available for 65 years and has a stellar safety profile. These doctors came out early because they were having great success in treating hundreds of their patients with HCQ for Covid-19 and only wanted to save more lives.
Al
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Thomas on February 02, 2021, 07:26:31 PM
FDA has recently came out and said hydroxychloroquine is approved for treatment of COVID-19.
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Al, would you be able to point me towards some sort of reference for that? My understanding was that hydroxychloroquine had an Emergency Use Authorization which was revoked by the FDA last June, on the grounds that “the best available evidence suggests that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in the treatment and prevention of COVID-19, and the potential benefits of the drug do not outweigh the known and potential risks.” I haven’t come across anything to suggest that they’ve reversed their position again - would be very interested if they have.


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The doctors have been vilified by big Pharma and Fauci.

I don’t think it’s just Fauci and ‘Big Pharma’ that have serious issues with Dr Gold and her Frontline Doctors.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on February 02, 2021, 07:56:29 PM
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Al, would you be able to point me towards some sort of reference for that? My understanding was that hydroxychloroquine had an Emergency Use Authorization which was revoked by the FDA last June, on the grounds that “the best available evidence suggests that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in the treatment and prevention of COVID-19, and the potential benefits of the drug do not outweigh the known and potential risks.” I haven’t come across anything to suggest that they’ve reversed their position again - would be very interested if they have.
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 It was the AMA not our AMA
https://lenbilen.com/2020/12/14/american-medical-association-rescinds-previous-statement-against-prescription-of-hydroxychloroquine-to-covid-19-patients/



I don’t think it’s just Fauci and ‘Big Pharma’ that have serious issues with Dr Gold and her Frontline Doctors.

      FYI lots of people have serious issues with Big Pharma and Fauci!
 
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on February 02, 2021, 08:31:15 PM
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Al, would you be able to point me towards some sort of reference for that? My understanding was that hydroxychloroquine had an Emergency Use Authorization which was revoked by the FDA last June, on the grounds that “the best available evidence suggests that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in the treatment and prevention of COVID-19, and the potential benefits of the drug do not outweigh the known and potential risks.” I haven’t come across anything to suggest that they’ve reversed their position again - would be very interested if they have.

    Al posted the link. This is a *legitimate* example of how politics kills people, unlike the ridiculous assertions of it.

     Brett
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Thomas on February 02, 2021, 09:41:41 PM
I note that Al has edited his previous post to change ‘FDA’ to ‘AMA’.

As regards the AMA’s position, the blog that Al links to notes, in updated form, that “It has come to my attention that the resolution [supporting hydroxychloroquine as a Covid treatment], while adopted got stopped before a new and valid recommendation was issued.”

Other fact-checking articles (here are a couple, FWIW: https://www.abc10.com/article/news/verify/ama-stance-hydroxy-covid-unchanged/507-76cac7cc-bd0d-4c21-8771-06949c2220ae  https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2020/12/17/fact-check-does-american-medical-association-now-support-hydroxychloroquine/3943008001/ ) simply state the the proposal was rejected.

The bottom line, as far as I can tell, is that neither the FDA nor AMA currently support hydroxychloroquine as a Covid -19 treatment.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on February 02, 2021, 09:46:34 PM
Here some more up to date info on HCQ
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/yale-doctor-fauci-hcq-evidence
Al
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Randy Powell on February 03, 2021, 09:50:26 AM
Had my second Pfizer shot yesterday. I had a reaction. Bit of a fever and feel kinda listless. Low energy. But that is typical. My son had the same thing after his second shot. He was better in about a day and a half. hope to feel better by this afternoon.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on February 03, 2021, 01:09:56 PM
Had my second Pfizer shot yesterday. I had a reaction. Bit of a fever and feel kinda listless. Low energy. But that is typical. My son had the same thing after his second shot. He was better in about a day and a half. hope to feel better by this afternoon.

Randy,

My brother had the same reaction but I didnt have any reaction.  It didnt last long for him.  Hope you are doing well.  The RM Deluxe looks great.  You know the one that Allan Perret built disappeared after his death.  I tried to track it down but to no avail.  I had Tom Morris build me one since I just did not have the time to do it and somebody in the club made me an offer I could not refuse the first day I had it at the field.  You did a great job on that one Randy.

Mike
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dick Pacini on February 03, 2021, 04:06:42 PM
Got my first Moderna shot Monday.  No reaction other than the normal soreness in the upper arm that you often get after an inoculation.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: peabody on February 04, 2021, 03:12:52 AM
I was to the VA Clinic in Sarasota yesterday for bloodletting.
They have the Pfizer and are doing around 800 a day. Very orderly.
I get my second Sunday....in Miami.
 
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Skip Chernoff on February 04, 2021, 01:35:05 PM
Still no shot for me or the Mrs. We have on line applications in with at least 6 servers....Skip
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: proparc on February 05, 2021, 07:03:43 PM
Curious about the Johnson & Johnson "One Shot vaccine.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Leidle on February 05, 2021, 08:46:43 PM
  The info I saw on the Johnson & Johnson says "61% effective " no I  don't believe everything I read.
   John L.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Leidle on February 05, 2021, 08:48:54 PM
  None of it applies to us anyway nothing available for my wife or myself here.
            John L.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: jim on February 06, 2021, 11:21:23 AM
   My son got me scheduled for my first shot this coming Wednesday ( 2/3 ) at Randolph Macon College in Ashland, Virginia ( just above Richmond ). I am told they will schedule my second shot then. Sure is nice when your kids are looking out for you, huh?

              Dick Tyndall

I hope for your kids sake this vaccine your risking your health on doesn't turnout to be a health issue for you.   I myself will go with the numbers, verv very very low risk of dyeing from this virus.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Chuck Matheny on February 06, 2021, 01:05:06 PM
I hope for your kids sake this vaccine your risking your health on doesn't turnout to be a health issue for you.   I myself will go with the numbers, verv very very low risk of dyeing from this virus.

The numbers in my state are fraudulent because Dem Governor Jay Inslee instructed his DOH to count ALL deaths as COVID19 Deaths if the deceased had EVER tested positive beforehand. The Freedom Foundation did a case by case audit and found that 1/8th  of the deaths claimed by Washington State did not even have COVID19 listed at all on the death certificate...!
That said, last summer I did my own "audit" of all the deaths claimed divided into the Washington State population to see what the actual risk was for people under age 65...basically everyone who has a need to take part in the day to day activities that keep our society running strong. We have roughly 6 million people under age 65 and as of last summer there were roughly 200 COVID19 deaths in all of Washington State in this age group.
Your odds of being dealt 4 of a kind in a game of 5 card poker were much better than dying of Covid . [I referenced a Wikipedia article about Poker hand probabilities].
How many people do YOU know who have ever been dealt 4 of a kind..?
As of last summer I also discovered via a simple google that only 5 children in all of the USA and Canada had died from Covid 19
There were only 3 or 4 DoD Personnel out of a few million [I forget the exact count] who had died from COVID19 and 2 of those deaths had strong comorbid factors.
In November of 2019 I was very sick with  upper respiratory junk for about 2 weeks. I never get sick like this. I think I had an early case of COVID19 and would like to see if that can be verified before submitting to the needle.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on February 06, 2021, 01:16:17 PM
   I myself will go with the numbers, verv very very low risk of dyeing from this virus.
I agree.
Al
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Jerry Eichten on February 06, 2021, 03:52:06 PM
My daughter got the second shot yesterday.  Arm hurts more than first time. 
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Thomas on February 06, 2021, 04:14:31 PM
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I myself will go with the numbers, verv very very low risk of dyeing from this virus.

It’s true that if you’re relatively young (like everyone here on Stunthanger, right? ;)), the fatality rate is low. But from around age 60 upwards, things get rapidly worse. Those over 80 have roughly around a 15% fatality rate, which makes your odds about the same as with Russian roulette.

Also, focussing only on fatality rates ignores the long-term effects in those who survive. Effects which sound very nasty and can include damage to heart, lungs and brain.

Still, we will all continue to believe what we choose to believe.



Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dan McEntee on February 06, 2021, 08:50:14 PM
It’s true that if you’re relatively young (like everyone here on Stunthanger, right? ;)), the fatality rate is low. But from around age 60 upwards, things get rapidly worse. Those over 80 have roughly around a 15% fatality rate, which makes your odds about the same as with Russian roulette.

Also, focussing only on fatality rates ignores the long-term effects in those who survive. Effects which sound very nasty and can include damage to heart, lungs and brain.

Still, we will all continue to believe what we choose to believe.

     Statistics and numbers are like Playdoh, you can make just about anything you want out of them. It just depends on whose spinning the rolling pin.

   If you are over 80 years old, any organ in your body could just quit for any or no reason and it would be fatal. The chances of that happening to your average person over 80, ( who can be the subject of any number of things in his/her environment that affects his/her over all health like smoking, alcohol, drug abuse, work place exposures, sun exposure obesity, disease of any kind, ) is probably a lot higher than from catching and succumbing to Covid 19, just being realistic about it since we are talking about a person over 80.  To me, 15% is not that high compared to stroke, heart attack, kidney failure, liver disease, cancer or pneumonia, dementia, Alzheimer's, or any of a number of other maladies.

   Focusing only on fatality rates, in reality, we haven't been dealing with this long enough to really even guess on what if any long term effects may be. These again, if they materialize, might be determined by the persons actual physical make up prior to getting exposed to the virus. And it will be to a such a small micro percentage that one wonders if it could be tracked?  At this time last year, and for the next 6 to 8 months we have been told by the "experts", when they have been pressed, that "There is so much that we don't know about this disease. It may take years to develop an effective vaccine."  Then in the course of a month after the election there have been four or five that miraculously appeared.. We have been bombarded with frightful numbers, specifically meant to scare the average person, such as "100 million cases world wide." But that is never tempered with the fact that most of those cases ( if the number can be believed) never showed any symptoms, never got worse than a common cold or flu. The "survival rate" ,if you want to call it that, is never a focus of discussion because it doesn't fit anyone's agenda. People got very sick and died, yes, but what we don't know is what their personal medical condition was before they contracted the virus. We know that numbers have been 'adjusted" for various reason and there is absolutely no way of knowing or believe what the number actually are in my opinion. We know that WHO and the CDC have not told the exact truth during this whole affair, and don't get me started on Faucci, who has admitted lying during this because he thought the public couldn't process the truth correctly. That tells me I can't believe anything the old fart says. So, bearing all of that in mind, with all the mis-information, and what we might not have been told through all of this, how you anyone make any kind of assessment on any long term affects? We haven't been at this long enough.
  Like I have said before, doctors and "experts" are like any one of us. They are human beings subject to making mistakes and various levels of skills and competency. We have no way of know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. The ones paraded out by the main steam media should be held at arms length. A lab coat, title and name tag don't mean a whole lot to me. I have read as much or more that counters everything that the MSM tell us as gospel and just using my own common sense  and reasoning makes as much sense as what the MSM experts tout. That is why people should always, and are encouraged to get second opinions, because they are just that, opinions.
     I wonder what would have happened if we took this all out from underneath the microscope? If it didn't occur in an election year, with a President that the MSM press and a few selected people of power and wealth absolutely hated?  Would it just have been a casual mention in the news like previous health scares?
    Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Thomas on February 06, 2021, 09:46:48 PM
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   I wonder what would have happened if we took this all out from underneath the microscope? If it didn't occur in an election year, with a President that the MSM press and a few selected people of power and wealth absolutely hated?  Would it just have been a casual mention in the news like previous health scares?

Except it’s happening in the rest of the world too, where the US election and people’s opinions of the former President are of little or no relevance to Covid.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dan McEntee on February 07, 2021, 08:56:38 AM
Except it’s happening in the rest of the world too, where the US election and people’s opinions of the former President are of little or no relevance to Covid.

     The rest of the world has the same problem with their media and news that we do. What goes on in the US is of great interest to the rest of the world to which we seem to be the great sugar daddy. Since the Lame Stream Media is so biased and won't tell you the truth about what goes on here, what makes you think they are giving us the straight scoop on what goes on elsewhere?

   Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: peabody on February 07, 2021, 01:25:19 PM
Got my second today....
No ill effects...
Still have to wait 14 days until I am protected as advertised
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: john e. holliday on February 07, 2021, 03:42:54 PM
Peabody,  after 14 days are you going to go visit some one that is known to have the virus to make sure you are protected?  After 2020, I don't trust the government, media or most so called experts any more than I can jump over a tall building. R%%%%
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: peabody on February 08, 2021, 04:12:59 AM
Doc....just as I believe in FACTS, I believe in SCIENCE.
I will continue to "follow the Fauci" until the end of April, as advised.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Chuck_Smith on February 08, 2021, 05:25:06 AM
Dan, statistics and numbers aren't Playdoh.

In fact, any modern aircraft you fly on depended greatly on statistics and numbers during it's design, manufacture and maintenance.

Same with the car you drive and the food you eat.

Science is not only real, it has totally disproven "I before E except after C".

Chuck

 

 
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dan McEntee on February 08, 2021, 09:34:27 AM
Dan, statistics and numbers aren't Playdoh.

In fact, any modern aircraft you fly on depended greatly on statistics and numbers during it's design, manufacture and maintenance.

Same with the car you drive and the food you eat.

Science is not only real, it has totally disproven "I before E except after C".

Chuck

     You know, we really are not talking about the same thing here.

     Garbage in, garbage out.

   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Randy Powell on February 08, 2021, 09:44:22 AM
A week past my second shot. Only ill effects are from my brother-in-laws chili last evening. About set me on fire and my stomach is still complaining.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Thomas on February 08, 2021, 06:21:34 PM
   

     Garbage in, garbage out.


Very true, Dan! But with respect, there are a few things in your earlier post I’d have to take issue with. I don’t mean it as a personal attack, and there are plenty of other people with similar opinions to yours.


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If you are over 80 years old, any organ in your body could just quit for any or no reason and it would be fatal.

Maybe. But there are a bunch of 80+ year-olds who would still be alive now, but for Covid-19. Having a number of relatives and friends in that age bracket (and having coincidentally just read Al Rabe’s obituary), I’m unwilling to downplay the threat Covid poses to the elderly.


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At this time last year, and for the next 6 to 8 months we have been told by the "experts", when they have been pressed, that "There is so much that we don't know about this disease. It may take years to develop an effective vaccine."  Then in the course of a month after the election there have been four or five that miraculously appeared.

Which are these 4 or 5 vaccines which have just appeared since the election? Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Sputnik, and whatever the Chinese thing is have hardly just appeared.


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Like I have said before, doctors and "experts" are like any one of us. They are human beings subject to making mistakes and various levels of skills and competency. We have no way of know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. The ones paraded out by the main steam media should be held at arms length. A lab coat, title and name tag don't mean a whole lot to me.

They’re like any one of us, apart from the years of study and training, maybe decades of experience, and the fact that they tend to be fairly bright sparks to start with. Their lab coat and title mightn’t mean much to you, but it means more to me than someone’s random blog, YouTube video, or unqualified opinion. Sure they’re human and can make mistakes, which is where second opinions from other suitably qualified people come in. However impressed I might be with my own common sense, I don’t tell my brother how to anaesthetise people, I don’t tell my other brother how to negotiate corporate contracts, and they don’t tell me how to fly jets. Things like smallpox, polio and diphtheria were defeated by people with qualifications and lab coats, not folks like you and me using what we consider to be our common sense.

Unfortunately it’s usually a bad thing when science gets enmeshed with politics and ideology, and that seems to be particularly the case with Covid. I get that there are some major trust issues with elements of the media and various government agencies, particularly in the US right now. But there’s also a wealth of freely-available information out there from a lot of credible sources worldwide. I don’t think we can just disregard the vast majority of it simply because it mightn’t suit our view of the world.

Steve
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Rist on February 09, 2021, 08:00:15 AM
What Steve said.    y1
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Motorman on February 09, 2021, 09:08:35 AM
But there’s also a wealth of freely-available information out there from a lot of credible sources worldwide.

Steve


Name one.


Motorman 8)
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dave Harmon on February 09, 2021, 09:48:06 AM
After reading some of this nonsense....there is likely going to be even less C/L activity.....soon.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Chuck_Smith on February 09, 2021, 10:09:12 AM
After reading some of this nonsense....there is likely going to be even less C/L activity.....soon.

Darwinism in action
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on February 09, 2021, 11:06:30 AM
After reading some of this nonsense....there is likely going to be even less C/L activity.....soon.

   That's the problem with incessantly lying and trying to manipulate people - it destroys credibility, and then when you actually are telling the truth (to a certain extent), no one believes you. The left has been lying and hyperventilating about various existential crises for 50+ years, all of which were proven lies or at the very best gross exaggerations (world revolutions over lack of food being "mathematically certain" by the 70s'...) , waiting for one of them to "take".

     Finally, a moderate *real* crisis comes along, almost everything said about it is a another lie or wild exaggeration, so even the tiny bits of truth that leak out are not believed.

      Brett
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Randy Powell on February 09, 2021, 01:44:03 PM
Brett,

Glad to know the right is a bastion of truth and fair play.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Helmick on February 09, 2021, 04:00:14 PM
Interesting, coming medical professionals. The various vaccines have been through trials and approval processes, and have now been administered to millions of people. We have a pretty good idea what they do. We’ve also seen millions of deaths and a worldwide recession due to COVID, so we’ve got a pretty good idea what that does, too. Personally I’d prefer a vaccine.


This took me roughly 20 seconds to find out:

WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE?
The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine includes the following ingredients: mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3- phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.

Those are (probably) just the preservatives!   LL~ Steve
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Skip Chernoff on February 09, 2021, 04:05:11 PM
I'm scheduled for tomorrow,finally!
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on February 09, 2021, 06:08:38 PM
Brett,

Glad to know the right is a bastion of truth and fair play.

   The difference is that the right is not using whatever power it has to try to destroy the concept of individual liberty. The left most certainly is.

     Brett
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Keith Renecle on February 10, 2021, 03:44:42 AM
Hi All,
I believe that the reasonable way to look at this whole Covid-19 issue is to ask yourself why the heck the world did not lock down healthy people before to protect the sick. Right up until around March or April last year, the WHO and Dr Fauci stuck to the accepted rules for handling a pandemic like this. There is even a paper on the WHO website from October 2019 that states that for this type of pandemic they do not recommend lock downs, masking of the general public, or even social distancing. The paper is well hidden but still there. I will dig it out again if anyone wants to check it out. Dr Fauci even came out initially and stated the same, including that asymptomatic spreading would be rare and if it was indeed possible, it would have only a tiny effect. Of course a few months later the WHO and Fauci did a 180! Sweden followed this document to the letter and look at how they were nailed by the MSM and others. So what changed?? The standard narrative is this..."Oh, but this is a completely new or "novel" virus and we are still learning about all of the details". Really?? So, all the years of good science and understanding of how to handle respiratory diseases like this must just be thrown down the toilet?

There are just two pillars holding up this entire narrative, and these are RT-PCR testing and the belief that healthy people with zero symptoms can be super-spreaders. If anyone on this forum still believes that PCR testing is the right way to go to diagnose actual cases of Covid-19 the I would suggest doing some homework. It's all over the net so a basic search will get the correct info. There are some papers on asymptomatic spreading claiming that it is even 114% worse than symptomatic spreading and they really look good and scientific, that is, until you start checking the "circular" theories from their references. If you knock over those two pillars then the entire narrative falls flat on its face.

On the vaccine story, they sure could help........BUT....the reason why vaccines take many months to years to be licensed is due to the safety testing. There are no short-cuts to safety. The authorities are not hiding the fact that the "warp speed" release of these vaccines means that you need to understand that whoever takes a shot now, is part of the volunteer testing process. So if you decide that's o.k. then that's fine and hopefully any fears will be shown to be for nothing. It is however a bit of a Russian Roulette thing!

The issue now is more emotional, something like a religion, or stunt judging!  #^ I found some good, rational articles on the AEIR website, and here is one on the way that fear is used to control the masses:
https://www.aier.org/article/i-cant-stop-wondering-about-covid-19/https://www.aier.org/article/i-cant-stop-wondering-about-covid-19/

How about this meme that I saw on the net. If the first lock-downs worked.......why the second one? If the first lock-downs didn't work............why the second one?  y1

Keith R
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on February 10, 2021, 11:24:38 AM

The issue now is more emotional, something like a religion, or stunt judging!  #^ I found some good, rational articles on the AEIR website, and here is one on the way that fear is used to control the masses:
https://www.aier.org/article/i-cant-stop-wondering-about-covid-19/https://www.aier.org/article/i-cant-stop-wondering-about-covid-19/

How about this meme that I saw on the net. If the first lock-downs worked.......why the second one? If the first lock-downs didn't work............why the second one? 

   Well, it is obviously that the second lockdown was due to "people not following the rules", the solution was of course to make the rules more draconian and coercive, so that you can be sure that everyone gets it through their heads that unless you follow orders, your country will be destroyed further.

      You will not find a *single paper* that advocates wearing masks by the general public - before about March 2020.  Including Fauci's own article in the JAMA that "wearing masks does nothing but we should do it anyway because it shows "unity" with the health care workers". That alone tells you that it is a talisman indicating your compliance with the rules ("of siens"), much like an armband of your favorite political party might once have indicated.

    Brett
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dan McEntee on February 10, 2021, 04:46:49 PM
Very true, Dan! But with respect, there are a few things in your earlier post I’d have to take issue with. I don’t mean it as a personal attack, and there are plenty of other people with similar opinions to yours.


Maybe. But there are a bunch of 80+ year-olds who would still be alive now, but for Covid-19. Having a number of relatives and friends in that age bracket (and having coincidentally just read Al Rabe’s obituary), I’m unwilling to downplay the threat Covid poses to the elderly.


Which are these 4 or 5 vaccines which have just appeared since the election? Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Sputnik, and whatever the Chinese thing is have hardly just appeared.


They’re like any one of us, apart from the years of study and training, maybe decades of experience, and the fact that they tend to be fairly bright sparks to start with. Their lab coat and title mightn’t mean much to you, but it means more to me than someone’s random blog, YouTube video, or unqualified opinion. Sure they’re human and can make mistakes, which is where second opinions from other suitably qualified people come in. However impressed I might be with my own common sense, I don’t tell my brother how to anaesthetise people, I don’t tell my other brother how to negotiate corporate contracts, and they don’t tell me how to fly jets. Things like smallpox, polio and diphtheria were defeated by people with qualifications and lab coats, not folks like you and me using what we consider to be our common sense.

Unfortunately it’s usually a bad thing when science gets enmeshed with politics and ideology, and that seems to be particularly the case with Covid. I get that there are some major trust issues with elements of the media and various government agencies, particularly in the US right now. But there’s also a wealth of freely-available information out there from a lot of credible sources worldwide. I don’t think we can just disregard the vast majority of it simply because it mightn’t suit our view of the world.

Steve


    In regards to the 80+ year old death rate. I still question most of those. In reading about local deaths in nursing homes, most of these people were seriously ill or at great risk health wise in the first place with obesity, diabetes and other serious issues,. Right from the start, families were not allowed to visit their loved ones, and no information on their conditions was forth coming, no way to track or question their health and the care that they were being given, if they were in fact getting any. They more or less died from their original conditions, it was just worsened and hastened by the virus and they take advantage of it and it's called a Covid death to fit an agenda.  I've lost too many friends in this age group recently, not to Covid, but through natural causes. It happens. It's part of life. None of us are getting out of this place alive. To politicize these deaths is wrong, and has been made worse by the leadership in some states screwing the pooch with the actions or inactions in handling the situations.

    As to the vaccines again, it was said by Faucci and the "experts" in the beginning that it would be two years before an effective vaccine would be ready. This started at the beginning and went on all summer, and whenever President Trump would make a comment about a vaccine being available by the Fall, he was mocked and scolded in the press as speaking out of turn for not "following the science."  I think it was on November 5th or 6th when, low and behold!,  Phizer made the announcement that their vaccine was ready and was 90% effective! And Moderna followed along a few days later and claimed 95% effective. Phizer wasn't finished and then adjusted their claim to 95% also! Wasn't that amazing. A few weeks earlier,  Faucci was still sticking to his guns on the two year time span. I read an article from the New York Times on line that quoted Moderna as saying they had a recipe for their vaccine last January!! That was before anything had even come out about the virus in the MSM. They were too busy trying to fabricate a story to impeach Trump! I've gone back and tried to find that article again and sun of a gun! It's not up anywhere any more!! What does that make you think about whether or not some one knew about this way in advance?

   I'm well aware of the need for science and scientists. But like I mentioned before, they are not infallible and not immune to pushing agendas for their own gain. I'm old enough to have witnessed a lot of failed science that was highly touted by the MSM. I lived through previous "pandemics" like the Swine Flu episode in the late 70's. I remember in the early 70's when "science" was adamant about the earth running out of oil by the tear 2000. Just 30 years and there would not be a drop left. This was driven home during the Arab oil embargos, with lines at gas stations, shortages and rationing. Lots of news stories on "60 Minutes"  pushing wind and solar energy, and electric vehicles because we would be absolutely out of oil by the next millennium. That was the first round with windmills, solar panels and electric cars that wouldn't sell because of bad performance, cost, and lack of proper infrastructure to support them. We know how that has all turned out ! Lots more where that came from through history when, like you said, science got enmeshed with politics. In the long run, it's all about the money, isn't it. If you follow the money involved in this thing and could do it unimpeded, I think there are many things that are behind all of this that would appall everyone.

    And numbers again. The numbers we get to work with in examining this and arguing about, all come from the same sources, and I even question the accuracy of those, because you don't know what the accuracy is of the numbers they get to make the compilations.  Just who is telling the truth? By the numbers you can find on line, out of a US population of 332,182,680, there have been 27,249,586 cases of Covid, and out of that 470,200 deaths. Even at those inflated numbers, (and we know they are) that is only .141% .  World wide out of a population nearing 8 billion, it's 107,179,340 cases and 2,348,877 deaths, or 1.33% .  To look at it another way, 99.8% of the US population are not sick after a year of dealing with the virus, and 98.7% of the worlds population are not sick. And that is going by numbers that you have to question the validity of, because some one is pushing an agenda by stressing the dark sides of the issue and fear mongering. I had to retire a few weeks ago. Notice I said "Had" to retire, because the company I worked for is shutting down due to the effects of Covid. I really wasn't ready financially and mentally but it was my best option. At my age I didn't want to have to look for a job again.  One of the best economies in history was killed over this fear mongering and the way this was all presented in the media.  The numbers for the increase in alcohol and drug related deaths has shot up, suicides and depression have shot up, and how many people have died from illnesses and diseases that they couldn't get treated for because hospitals have closed down? Lots of talk about over worked medical staffs in the hot spots, but due to the restrictions lots of hospitals in rural areas have closed down, staffs laid off.  No effort made to get the available personnel to where they are needed or maybe no interest in doing that?   
   We'll just have to wait and see what happens over the next 6 months. The numbers are declining but you get conflicting reasons why. I used to be a news junky, reading the daily news paper and watching the evening news, but I gave up my paper subscription when the cost got outlandish and the content was all left leaning BS. The same with TV news. The days of Walter Cronkite  and Huntly and Brinkley are long gone. I know BS when I see it and will just do with out it from now on I think.
   Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on February 11, 2021, 05:57:30 PM
  US vaccine adverse event reporting system (VAERS) reported 500 deaths and 11500 COVID-19 vaccine adverse events, in only 6 weeks!
Al

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/robert-kenney-jr-instagram-removal-account/
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: bob whitney on February 11, 2021, 07:44:01 PM
got #1 today
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on February 11, 2021, 08:20:44 PM
  US vaccine adverse event reporting system (VAERS) reported 500 deaths and 11500 COVID-19 vaccine adverse events, in only 6 weeks!
Al

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/robert-kenney-jr-instagram-removal-account/

   Out of about 12.5 million. I am not trying to talk you into it, but that is about 0.0004%. That meets any threshold for "safe and effective" you are likely to set.

      Brett
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Thomas on February 11, 2021, 08:40:23 PM
Also:

‘anyone can submit a report to VAERS, including parents and patients’

‘VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness’

‘VAERS encourages vaccines providers to report significant health problems "whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause," and disclaims that its data "cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines” ’

‘As far back as 2015, a study assessing claims of deaths from vaccinations highlights that data from the VAERS system is skewed, as it is a system which "accepts any submitted report of an adverse event without judging its clinical significance or whether it was caused by a vaccination." The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also warns against reporting bias and inconsistent data quality in the VAERS system.’

‘Children's Health Defense, an anti-vaccination advocacy group headed by prominent anti-vaxxer Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and known for producing misinformation on vaccines and anti-vaccine propaganda.’

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-are-covid-19-vaccines-causing-deaths/a-56458746

So it looks like it’s even better than .0004%. Good news.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on February 11, 2021, 09:00:44 PM
   Out of about 12.5 million. I am not trying to talk you into it, but that is about 0.0004%. That meets any threshold for "safe and effective" you are likely to set.

      Brett
That’s not taking in Consideration that only 1% of adverse effects are reported.
Vaccine manufacturers are required to report to VAERS “all adverse events that come to their attention.”

Historically, fewer than fewer than 1% of adverse events have ever been reported to VAERS, a system that Children’s Health Defense has previously referred to as an “abject failure,” including in a December 2020 letter to Dr. David Kessler, former FDA director and now co-chair of the COVID-19 Advisory Board and President Biden’s version of Operation Warp Speed.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/deaths-injuries-following-covid-vaccine-cdc/

https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on February 11, 2021, 09:27:09 PM
That’s not taking in Consideration that only 1% of adverse effects are reported.
Vaccine manufacturers are required to report to VAERS “all adverse events that come to their attention.”

  I was only considering deaths, since "adverse events" is too ambiguous. In any case, Wuhan is 500x times as dangerous, and if someone considers Wuhan not a serious threat, then the vaccine is 3 orders of magnitude *less* of a threat.

     Brett
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on February 12, 2021, 09:07:16 AM
  I was only considering deaths, since "adverse events" is too ambiguous. In any case, Wuhan is 500x times as dangerous, and if someone considers Wuhan not a serious threat, then the vaccine is 3 orders of magnitude *less* of a threat.

     Brett
Why take the added risk of getting the Covid-19  vaccine?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/cdc-exposed-inflated-covid-deaths-1600-throughout-election-violated-multiple-federal-laws-peer-reviewed-study-finds-state-local-governments-must-act/
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Ken Culbertson on February 12, 2021, 01:56:16 PM
I got my shot.  I was vaccinated against every known ailment to mankind while I was on worldwide mobility in the Air Force.  Never had a reaction other than a scar where they missed once with the shot "gun"...messy.  If the vaccine was developed under the current administration I may not have had it to take.  Get your shots, I don't want to still be wearing masks when this fall's contests come around and I don't want any more of my competitor's showing up in the Dearly Departed forum either.

Ken 
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Tomlinson on February 13, 2021, 10:14:59 AM
All good 2nd shot today   
Dont believe conspiracy theories
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Gene Martine on February 13, 2021, 06:18:08 PM
 #^ #^ #^ #^ #^ #^ #^
 Got our first shot today. Got there at 9:45 AM, received our shots at 10 AM, had to wait after shots for 30 min. because my wife is on blood thinners. We
 live 20 mi. away and was home by 11 AM.
 Great job Dept. of Health. Jacksonville, FL.
  y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on February 17, 2021, 08:22:04 AM
Something not right video.
Al
https://www.bitchute.com/video/dc3UNRdV9KeH/
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Paul Smith on February 17, 2021, 08:38:02 AM
All good 2nd shot today   
Don't believe conspiracy theories

It took SEVEN years to develop and test the Salk polio vaccine.  I will let others be the test animals for this quickie drug.   
There is no need to risk MY life to test a drug for a disease that can be cured in a week.
Not all conspiracies are empty theories.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Chuck_Smith on February 17, 2021, 09:10:59 AM
It took SEVEN years to develop and test the Salk polio vaccine.  I will let others be the test animals for this quickie drug.   
There is no need to risk MY life to test a drug for a disease that can be cured in a week.
Not all conspiracies are empty theories.

Paul, that was 1961. We're a little more advanced these days.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: phil c on February 17, 2021, 10:38:33 AM
I read all these quotes and I don't find anyone questioning why the government decided to try and blockade 325million healthy people instead of quarantining(as in the past-mumps, measles, rubella, polio, malaria etc) people that got sick.  It is MUCH easier and more effective to separate the sick and/or family than it is to get 325million people to follow a bunch of restrictive rules that can be breached by just a few people who can't/won't/too busy to adapt to the rules.  That is especially true when it comes to who is allowed to go back to work(they need money), handle health visits, and the ~50% who just won't "do as they are told" because they don't have time for it.

I think this is a typical Democratic approach- do this because we passed a law, not "do this because this approach has been shown to be effective(when it hasn't).

There is a fair amount of investigation of how the AIDs epidemic has been controlled(or not).  Very little was done to restrict the spread of AIDS.  The end result, which has been a fairly good control of AIDS, was due to the development of effective drugs and vaccines.  Similar control has been developed for the old infective diseases: mumps, measles, rubella, polio, malaria, primarily through vaccines.  Malaria has been controlled with drugs(it's not a virus) after its near extermination using DDT to control the transmitting mosquitoes.  DDT is still used some places on sleeping screens and housing.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Ken Culbertson on February 17, 2021, 11:21:32 AM
There is no need to risk MY life to test a drug for a disease that can be cured in a week.
Ask the how the families of the flyers we have lost to this insidious disease that can be "cured in a week" are doing.
If getting the shot only protected me from getting it I may skip it too but it doesn't.  It keeps me from giving it to you
as well but, if it only takes a week to cure then maybe you wouldn't mind getting it.

The conspiracy is not the vaccine, it is the lockdown.  I would like to cure that in a week.

Ken
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dan McEntee on February 17, 2021, 11:46:05 AM
Ask the how the families of the flyers we have lost to this insidious disease that can be "cured in a week" are doing.
If getting the shot only protected me from getting it I may skip it too but it doesn't.  It keeps me from giving it to you
as well but, if it only takes a week to cure then maybe you wouldn't mind getting it.

The conspiracy is not the vaccine, it is the lockdown.  I would like to cure that in a week.

Ken

    That's just the thing, they are not sure that it will prevent you from spreading it again, and I heard that right from Faucci's mouth! We are a year later in this thing and they still fall back on , " there is so much about this that we don't know." excuse.  They still want to you wear amask, but now stress TWO masks be worn and keep following all the other protocols. Everyday some one changes a horse in mid stream. People are getting the vaccine and dying from it. People are getting both doses of vaccine and getting infected again weeks after the second dose. I'm not hanging out on any f the fanatical web sights either, I'm getting this from the MSM!!
  Type a you later,
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Paul Smith on February 17, 2021, 12:23:34 PM
Paul, that was 1961. We're a little more advanced these days.

Based on the lawyer's ads on TV all day long, there have been many modern products that went to market with incomplete testing. 
Most of them were unleashed on the public well after 1961.

You can't tell another man what to believe.   I believe in seat belts and motorcycle helmets, but some people do not.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Chuck Matheny on February 17, 2021, 12:48:36 PM
I want to be tested for the antigen before I submit to the shot. Why isn't the [[[GLOBALIST CONTROLLED MASS MEDIA]]] broadcasting information about antigen tests...?

Can anyone guess why  the CDC announced the very same day Biden was sworn in ......to make the criteria for adding people to the official CV19 "CASE COUNT / DEATH COUNT LIST" twice as stringent than the way they had  it rigged before hand..? You know, back when they were busy helping to sabotage Trump's booming economy and get Biden installed as President...? That's right, instead of only needing a single positive test to make the list a person now needs 2 consecutive positives to be a legitimate member of the CV19 Case Count.
Any Republican with any Street Smarts knew that this is how it would play out...but Biden hadn't even taken his hand off the Bible yet...!
Same goes for the Death Count list . Instead listing every single person who had ever tested positive but actually died later from some other unrelated cause a CV19 Death...these Fraudulent Bastards [who all deserve a 1 way trip to HELL] have changed their rules so that   CV19 must now be listed as the primary cause of death on the death certificate. All members of the NEVER TRUMPER MSM and all NEVER TRUMPER POLITICIANS who played any role in this deliberate fraud deserve no less than a 1 way trip to HELL.

https://www.technocracy.news/urgent-peer-reviewed-study-exposes-massive-corruption-at-cdc/
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Ken Culbertson on February 17, 2021, 07:46:25 PM
and I heard that right from Faucci's mouth!
Which side was he talking through? LL~
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Peter Nevai on February 17, 2021, 10:46:27 PM
Got my first inoculation today, took about 1 hour including the 30 minute observation period. All in all a smooth process. I got the Pfizer vaccine and it is just a little sore at the inoculation site but other than that all is good. No hassles, no issues, no problems. The second one is on the 12th.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: john e. holliday on February 18, 2021, 12:45:39 PM
I thought we got rid of the politics. D>K
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Helmick on February 18, 2021, 06:52:00 PM
Sorry, Doc...Politicians made Covid 19 THE topic that it is.

It happens that today I called my Medicare Supplemental Insurance carrier about our situation here. I'm 75, wife 77, and I finally got an appointment for myself for the first shot on the 25th...a week from today...at COSTCO. Wife hasn't been able to get an appointment yet. Can't get it from MY pharmacy, or from MY provider. Further, some low population counties got lots of vaccine, and some large population counties got very little. Prisoners, smokers and the homeless get priority over we elderly taxpayers. WTF? What sort of planning did our idiot Governor and his idiot cronies do...IF ANY? Not logical !   ''  Steve
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: ericrule on February 18, 2021, 07:06:41 PM
Scheduled to get my first shot tomorrow 2/19/2021.

Had to go to a non-government source. Although both my wife and I are over 75 and therefore targets for this Chinese Virus our state government (Democratic) feels that prisoners in state prisons are more important so we have to wait until they are all finished. Like most law abiding citizens who pay taxes and contribute to society we are simply of no importance to our state politicians who seems to only pay attention to the Teachers and government employee unions who send millions of dollars year year to the politicians election funds. Yes, California, like a lot of the coastal states, is a "Pay and Play" state.  mw~ mw~ mw~
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Helmick on February 18, 2021, 07:48:17 PM
Wifey just reminded me of her most recent phone conversation with her brother, in Cuidad de Chihuahua. Before you go into a store there, you get sprayed with something that is supposed to (presumably) kill the Covid 19 virus. Tequila, maybe? He said he thought they were guinea pigs, and that we'd soon be getting sprayed here. Don't anybody tell Newsome, Brown or Inslee about that, because they'd be right on it and write an executive order. 

Anyway, it reminded me of my experience flying back from Australia...after we landed, one of the flight crew came down the aisle spritzing both sides with something that was supposed to kill furrin' insects or maybe stowaways. I figured it was probably water, but maybe Ted or David would have actual information on that?   :X  Steve
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on March 02, 2021, 11:11:08 AM
     Marilyn must have been out of town that day.
Al
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Serge_Krauss on March 02, 2021, 11:42:52 AM
Gusti and I have each received both shots of Pfizer vaccine with no side effects. We were delighted with the friendly and helpful support we received at the Cleveland Clinic Hillcrest facility (her) and the Metro Health Bedford clinic (me). Everyone there met us with smiles and concern for our every need. In our four trips, we were back out within ten minutes of our appointment times, including the 15-minute post-vaccination wait. With three vaccines now and better organization, the vaccination should become increasingly available. I was even called by Wallgreen's, offering me an immediate vaccination last week. We have been very fortunate.

Last Friday, I lost a dear friend of over 60 years to COVID-19, and her husband is still in the hospital after several weeks. On average, one in every 660 Americans has died of this virus already, including another acquaintance who got symptoms after scheduling his first vaccination appointment. So, please take advantage of your earliest chance to get vaccinated. Perhaps your experience will be as great as ours. - SK
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Reptoid on March 02, 2021, 12:45:42 PM
I find these facts to be very interesting if you are trying to make an "Informed", "Logical", "Common Sense" decision on whether to get the Vaccine.   I'm not the author .I copied this from an article I read and find it interesting that the explanations and "Reasons" being given by CDC, Fauci, etc. don't logically support getting the shot IMHO.

12 important questions and answers before considering getting vaccinated:
                                                                                                                 
●"If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?"
Government: "NO"
●"If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to work like normal?
Government: "NO"
●"If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?"
Government: "Maybe. We don't know exactly, but probably not."
●"If I get vaccinated, at least I won't be contagious to others - right?"
Government: "NO. the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission."
●"If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?"
Government: "No one knows. All Covid "vaccines" are still in the experimental stage."
● "If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?"
Government: "NO"
● "If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug each other again?"
Government: "NO"
● "So what's the benefit of getting vaccinated?"
Government: "Hoping that the virus won't kill you."
●"Are you sure the vaccine won't injure or kill me?"
Government: "NO"
●"If statistically the virus won't kill me (99.7% survival rate), why should I get vaccinated?"
Government: "To protect others."
●"So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?"
Government: "NO"
● "If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine will I (or my family) be compensated from the vaccine manufacture or the Government?"
Government: "NO - the government and vaccine manufactures have 100% zero liability regarding this experimental drug"
So to summarize, the Covid19 "vaccine"...
Does not provide immunity
Does not eliminate the virus
Does not prevent death
Does not guarantee you won’t get it
Does not stop you from passing it on to others
Does not eliminate the need for travel bans
Does not eliminate the need for business closures
Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns
Does not eliminate the need for masking
... and there is an inordinate amount of reports of the damage it is doing and has done to those whom have already taken it!
To be forewarned is to be forearmed.
God bless us all!
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: john e. holliday on March 02, 2021, 01:16:19 PM
And the reason I will not submit to the whims of what we have as a government now.  They don't even folloow their own rules/orders. S?P
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Ken Culbertson on March 02, 2021, 04:42:31 PM
So I am for the vaccine and so is my wife so I go to the county web site on a Sunday about a month ago and register us both.  Pretty simple.  On Tuesday night I get emails telling us to make an appointment.  So far so good.  The appointments are for Tuesday and Wednesday.  Really great notice so I log in and book mine, ok.  Then I log in to book hers and the only appointments open are for Tuesday and it is already past their times. So I try and exit and it won't let me because I haven't picked a time.  I couldn't even close the window.  Task manager to the rescue.  So we register her again and get a confirmation.  Two weeks go by and no appointment email so I call the county.  They tell me that it is the city so I call the city.  After 5 days of having them hang up after a 20 minute hold I get through!   They say to call the county, so I call the county.  The county tells me that FEMA has taken all of the registrations and they will be scheduling.  So I ask for FEMA's number - they don't have one and we are not allowed to contact them.  Agghh...............

Things were running very smoothly in Dallas, that is until Uncle Joe decided to open one of his super sites.  Isn't centralized government wonderful.

Ken
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on March 02, 2021, 08:30:10 PM
Quote
●"If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?"
Government: "NO"

   Proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that even THEY admit masks don't work, and that they are political talismans no more effective than a "political armband", and so you must keep people complying with "orders". 

    That notwithstanding,  this is a *real disease* with real risk for certain populations. Vaccines in general have been one of the greatest health boons that we have ever come up with, the principle behind vaccines is correct, and this one works on exactly the same principles as the others. There is no reason to think the risk is unreasonable compared to any other. Its not worth elbowing grandma* out of line for it, but I certainly think that if a vaccine is available, you should take it.

    It is extremely unfortunate that the left has turned this into a political issue, and made it into a "personal liberty" VS "virtue signalling" issue, but *don't let their partisan stupidity* interfere with what is generally a sound medical/scientific decision for your own well-being. Don't give these bastards the satisfaction.

     Brett

*unless your governor is Cuomo, in which case condolences are in order. To tell you how much the left cares, killing a bunch of old people and then trying to cover it up wasn't enough to get him in real trouble - but they draw the line at moronic pickup lines, that's the political death sentence!  Fine people we are dealing with here.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on March 02, 2021, 09:27:10 PM
Texas and Mississippi rescinded their mask mandates today.  Kristi Noem of SD pretty well showed how to run a state during a pandemic.  I would like to see her or Ron DeSantis run in 24 if Trump doesn't.

Mike
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on March 02, 2021, 09:32:49 PM
Since Brett mentioned virtue signaling in his last post, have you noticed that the "two maskers" wear different color masks.  I am just waiting of Fauci to demand we wear a mask over your butthole. 

Mike
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dick Pacini on March 02, 2021, 11:26:05 PM
Getting my second shot today, 3/3/21.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 03, 2021, 05:18:12 PM
We got our second Pfizer shots Sunday with no side effects now three days later.  Several others we know receiving the Moderna shots have complained of feeling tired and run down to the point they stayed in bed for most of the following day. In any case it's good to have gotten it done, hopefully it brings us closer to a normal life again.

Steve
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Motorman on March 03, 2021, 06:07:03 PM
Well, God help me, I walked right in there with the rest of the mindless herd and got my shot today.


Motorman 8)
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Avaiojet on March 03, 2021, 07:34:04 PM
I didn't and I won't.

I haven't warn a mask yet, except for the store where I buy the dog's chicken.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Motorman on March 03, 2021, 09:25:35 PM
Your dog has a pet chicken? That's so cool. My arm is sore as hell right now and my Tylenol expired 2012.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: john e. holliday on March 03, 2021, 09:45:09 PM
Well that does it. I'm allergic to Tylenol. D>K
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 04, 2021, 06:15:15 AM
Setting aside the contributor's humor about buying a pet chicken for the dog and another's painful kick in the arm from the Covid-19 "go-protein" vaccine it appears important for us to consider the effects of using Tylenol or any pain suppressant when taking the shot. When asked if I could receive a scheduled shot of prednisone for my arthritic thumb (wear n tear from my baseball days) I was told not to take it for at least two weeks. There is some controversy here but in general the science contends use of a pain suppressant can extend the normal two week period to achieve full benefit and in other opinions it can reduce to some degree the vaccine's effectiveness all together.

So in the end I guess I'll play by the rules and bear through any headaches and a sore thumb joint for the recommended duration. Finally we are forecasted to reach temperatures in the mid 50s next week, hopefully I can get out in the garage to shoot some dope, oops! spray.

Steve


Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Avaiojet on March 04, 2021, 07:18:19 AM
Setting aside the contributor's humor about buying a pet chicken for the dog.....

 Where did I say I bought a pet chicken?

It so happens we have Cavalier King Charles Spaniels, and have had this breed for many many years.

They don't live long. 8-9 years generally. The reason is they develop a heart disease which is quite common for this breed.

Between our own experience from having dogs in the past and information from Vets, who know this breed, having the dog on a no salt chicken breast diet, plus daily medication, can extend their lives greatly. One of our dogs is 13 years old now only because of our efforts.

No, we have no chickens as pets, but, here in the TN countryside, there's plenty of them.

With all that's been going on and what has been reviled about our government leaders, you trust them enough to take a vaccine?

I haven't had a government vaccine since my induction into the Army and this was a lifetime ago. Never got the Flu shot either.

My neighbors, Bill and Beverly, 94 and 91. Contacted the COVID. They received no medical attention, medication or personal care. Stayed at home for 14 days.

Back to normal they are and this was 4 months ago.

Their son visited them every day to leave stuff and their mail on their door step. He never came down with it. I was in their house days before they came down with it and I never got the virus.



Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 04, 2021, 07:36:59 AM
Charles,

Chickens can live 5 to 10 years and tend to remain healthy throughout the duration if given good care, they can also live harmoniously with dogs if brought together early on. Chickens, however, don't like to be leashed. Enjoy the humor please at no expense.

Looks like Bill and Beverly dodged a bullet!!

Steve
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: GallopingGhostler on March 04, 2021, 08:09:26 AM
The pullet hens that I used to pick eggs from while working part time after high school in the early 1970s produced about an egg a day. Egg production tapered off and they were only good for about a year or 2, then went to the slaughter house as "stew birds". (Now you know where your Dinty Moore stew meat comes from.) y1 Of course this was economics, feed costs money and when the chickens couldn't earn their keep, off with their heads. :X

I got the NM Moderna Covid shot, but because I work several days a week as a volunteer at the Salvation Army distributing food to the poor, basically shot for reasons of the State, we are an excepted from the prescribed lockdowns as serving indigenous, homeless and poor. The "essential" workers were prioritized to get it.

We don't know what is truly that they are giving us. One thing noticeable, but not have not read in anything produced by the state (although it may be there), is that the mRNA shot is experimental as approved by CDC. The hand out I got after I got the shot stated that. I had no side effects, went to the gym daily to work out for the next couple days as usual.

Quote from: Mark 16:17-18 NHEB
These signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new languages;  they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not harm them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

So from a Christian point of view, if there is something undisclosed and nefarious in the shot (it is a poison) and later I die because of it, I get to be with the Lord earlier. If nothing happens, then the provisions of Mark 16 apply.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 04, 2021, 09:19:18 AM
GG,

You're not going to die, it's a happy shot, safe a stick of licorice.

Did you make pets out of some of the Pullets?

Steve
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Avaiojet on March 04, 2021, 10:28:15 AM
GG,

You're not going to die, it's a happy shot, safe a stick of licorice.

Did you make pets out of some of the Pullets?

Steve

Government just confiscated 10's of thousands of fake vaccines i Africa.

Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 04, 2021, 02:24:48 PM
Wouldn't you agree a few placebos here and there are ok? Now the folks that don't want the shot can take these and say they did.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Ken Culbertson on March 04, 2021, 03:06:03 PM
I am 100% behind anyone that wants to not get the shot for whatever reason.  I am also 100% behind someone suing you if you decline the shot and they can prove you gave it to them.  It cuts both ways.  I am surprised that Biden hasn't cut off our supply to give it to the illegals crossing the border.  One group they dumped in one of our border towns got tested by the locals 100+ out of 400 had the virus.  They processes about 5,000 that day, no tests then they dumped them inland.  You are damn right I am getting the vaccine if I am going to have to live with Biden's small pox blankets surrounding me.

Ken
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: GallopingGhostler on March 04, 2021, 04:09:17 PM
GG, You're not going to die, it's a happy shot, safe a stick of licorice.

The viruses are related, I couldn't tell if this one was a tweetment or oinkment.

Did you make pets out of some of the Pullets?

All the time I was egg picking, I didn't know the chickens were talking about this. Remember, Noah was a conspiracy theorist for 100 years until the rains came.

Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on March 05, 2021, 12:08:38 AM
Here is an example of what makes us all so mad - this straight from the sainted WHO (in 2018)

Quote
Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. Before the introduction of measles vaccine in 1963 and widespread vaccination, major epidemics occurred approximately every 2–3 years and measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.

   That is *the measles*!  The same thing that people used to give kids *intentional exposure* to, and which everybody just assumed was more-or-less inevitable and no one paid more than passing attention to.

    2.6 million dead  - A YEAR. For MANY YEARS!

   And yet, we didn't feel the need to run roughshod over constitutional rights and destroy the entire economy - and spend ourselves into permanent tens of trillions of dollars of debt - over something *as deadly as Wuhan*.

   Vaccination, of course, works, so you should probably get a vaccination for Wuhan, just like measles. Continuing on:

Quote
More than 140 000 people died from measles in 2018 – mostly children under the age of 5 years, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine.
Measles is caused by a virus in the paramyxovirus family and it is normally passed through direct contact and through the air. The virus infects the respiratory tract, then spreads throughout the body.


    Even with a vaccination program throughout nearly the entire world, it worked very well, from 2.6 million without, to 140,000 with - but that's *still 140,000 dead*. Continuing further on:


Quote
Accelerated immunization activities have had a major impact on reducing measles deaths. During 2000– 2018, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 23.2 million deaths. Global measles deaths have decreased by  73% from an estimated  536 000 in 2000* to 142,000 in 2018.

    That was a mere 20 years ago, over half a million, despite a very effective and widely available vaccine (mostly among those who didn't get it for whatever reason, idiots listening to a playboy playmate and the guy who used to play Fire Marshall Bill on TV, whatever).

     Proving beyond any shadow of a doubt that this was politically motivated and enabled entirely by the fact that people have lost any sense of proportion about what constitutes risk. Something that happened every few years,  as bad or worse than Wuhan, over and over and over, and we barely noticed it unless you got an itchy rash. Now, we have *damn near destroyed the entire world* and *instituted widespread totalitarianism* trying to avoid what is almost certainly a one-shot, receding to background, risk, less of a risk than we routinely accepted and barely acknolwedged 50 years ago.

   It also explains why older people (including myself) are resistant or dismissive - because *we lived through at least as bad* - and measles was far from the only risk. Younger people have had no experience like this and have lived a life of unprecedented wealth, comfort, and safety, so this looks like a catastrophe, when we are still better off and less impacted by infectious disease even in 2020 than people were in 1955, with measles *alone* being equivelent to Wuhan, and also polio, mumps, German measles, and even smallpox still running around. People didn't live their lives in abject terror then - why are we doing it now?

     Brett


p.s. in case anyone thinks it is "fake news" or a "conspiracy theory" (which apparently, all you have to do is say it and it is automatically true) -

https://www.who.int/en/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Howard Rush on March 05, 2021, 02:16:26 AM
Got my first shot today at a conference room on the Microsoft campus, ensuring I’ll get the latest chips.  Had a reaction that kept me out of the shop the rest of the day.  I’m looking forward to seeing y’all at contests this year.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Chuck_Smith on March 05, 2021, 05:51:48 AM
This thread strikes me as both humorous and sad at the same time. 

First, I think there's a certain portion of the "anti-vaccers" here that are just plain afraid of getting a shot, period, and will go through all kinds of mental gyrations to avoid one. I also suspect that those who will call me out the loudest on that statement probably fall into that category the most.

Second, it's a great example of the "I'm entitled to do anything I want under the guise of "freedom" mentality of my generation.

I'm excited to get vaccinated. I'll be living, walking proof of science making the world better. My wife nearly died a year ago. She spent 9 days in the ICU and I was called into the "consultation room" twice. She's doing great now but is one of those people at very high risk to succumbing to the virus. She gets her second shot next Tuesday.

When people walk around flouting no masks and no vaccinations all I can think of is how selfish they are. They choose to roll the dice and say it's their right. What they don't consider is that they may infect others that are at risk.

That mentality would be akin to someone saying, "Well, I drive a new Volvo which is the safest car in the world so it's my right to drink and drive and not follow the road signs. I figure I'll be just fine. If I hit someone in a Hyundai and they get killed too bad for them. They should have worked harder and bought a better car."

You can yell "freedom" and talk about your personal rights until the cows come home - but where and how I was raised, you live by the Golden Rule. You look out for your neighbors and you do the right thing - always. Truth, justice and the American way.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

Apparently, that  has either been lost or ignored by an awful lot of Americans these days and that makes me sad. When I see the mental gyrations and misrepresentations of data out of context trying to make a point it makes me laugh. When I realize why people do it it makes me sad.

It's OK to be afraid to be vaccinated, but you need to suck it up and not let (unfounded) fear run your life. Be brave, do the right thing and be an example to others. You want to be a patriot? Now's your chance.

Peace,

Chuck
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 05, 2021, 08:45:43 AM
Well said Chuck!!!

This additionally leads me to wonder if some the good folks here would prefer to have all the Asian Americans corralled and isolated as was the Japanese during WWII. Those who promote a negative ideology ideally only fuels the hatred and attack on good people, many have been beaten, stabbed not to mention the abuse Asian children receive in school and on line. What good does it do to castigate these people? Let's move on and deal with our problems at hand instead of dwelling on the basis for them; such energy could be well spent in a more productive way.

Secondly, If only the conspirator theorist would spend as much time attempting to validate a theory compared to time spent conjuring it in a manner so as to be as graphic and tantalizing to the gullible we'd be much farther ahead.

Steve

 
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: GallopingGhostler on March 05, 2021, 10:34:54 AM
My mother is Japanese. What ever happened to, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me?"

 :! I thought the only woke members in Stunt Hangar n~ were those who perpetuate the Fox Hurl Event :o over a vilified brand name. LL~
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Miller on March 05, 2021, 10:35:49 AM
If having to use Tylenol for pain is a real problem with the vaccine, I won't be able to have the shots.

I have extreme pain from damage I received when I was accidentally electrocuted in 2012. I have to take Gabupenten (sp) and Tylenol for the pain. Used to also take Oxycontin but weaned myself off the Opiate 3 years ago. I could not go for more than a few hours without what I'm still taking before the pain goes through the roof.

Might be a blessing in disguise.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on March 05, 2021, 11:23:07 AM
"When people walk around flouting no masks and no vaccinations all I can think of is how selfish they are. They choose to roll the dice and say it's their right. What they don't consider is that they may infect others that are at risk."

I am so sick of this guilt trip attempt.  Since when did it become anyone's responsibility to watch out for your well being?  You want to wear 37 masks and stay in your basement, fine, it is a free country.  Dont tell me I have to do the same - again - it is a free country.

So sick of this bullshit virtue signaling.

Mike
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dan McEntee on March 05, 2021, 12:15:48 PM
Well said Chuck!!!

This additionally leads me to wonder if some the good folks here would prefer to have all the Asian Americans corralled and isolated as was the Japanese during WWII. Those who promote a negative ideology ideally only fuels the hatred and attack on good people, many have been beaten, stabbed not to mention the abuse Asian children receive in school and on line. What good does it do to castigate these people? Let's move on and deal with our problems at hand instead of dwelling on the basis for them; such energy could be well spent in a more productive way.

Secondly, If only the conspirator theorist would spend as much time attempting to validate a theory compared to time spent conjuring it in a manner so as to be as graphic and tantalizing to the gullible we'd be much farther ahead.

Steve

 

    What in  the hell does this have to do with getting a vaccine shot? Or not??

   Read Brett's post, # 152. This is exactly what I have been talking about. Is dying from one disease more important than any other??  Are you more dead from dying from Covid  than the next guy dying from something else??? What do you think the death toll is from the ramifications of all the BS we have been put through for the last year??  With all the restrictions on hospitals and doctors visits, how many people have succumbed to relatively minor afflictions but because of fear and restrictions did not get treated?  This whole affair has been about power and money, playing with people's lively hoods and their health in general. One thing that I have figured out so far in life is that none of us are getting out of this alive. You live, and then you die from something. Politicians put this thing under a microscope and made it much bigger than it should have been just to push an agenda. "Don't let a good crisis g to waste!!"
    There have probably been more people die from tuberculosis, emphysema, asthma and other respiratory illnesses. No one is saying it in the main stream media but the one common factor among most of the legitimate deaths has been underlying medical conditions such as obesity and diabetes. Are you going to start pointing fingers at those people now as potential spreaders???  There is way more to this than just catching a virus and whether you need a shot or not!!
   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: GallopingGhostler on March 05, 2021, 12:38:51 PM
Politicians put this thing under a microscope and made it much bigger than it should have been just to push an agenda. "Don't let a good crisis go to waste."  There is way more to this than just catching a virus and whether you need a shot or not!!

There is more to it, as you say, but the problem I have run into are those, who allow me to share my opinion only if it is their opinion. Thus, I don't confuse them with facts or logic, letting them stumble with their perfidy nonsense to others.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on March 05, 2021, 01:14:59 PM
"This whole affair has been about power and money"

AMEN Dan
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: ericrule on March 05, 2021, 01:45:21 PM
I certainly agree with the folks who feel the politicians have created the crisis and rode it as far as they can! Power and control of the population is what they desire. I remember my father telling me years ago "you can tell a politician is lying if his lips are moving". That has held true as long as I have been alive and I am certain it will prove true long after I am dead. mw~ mw~ mw~
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 05, 2021, 02:22:12 PM
Eric,

I couldn't agree with you more about politicians wanting power and control. They lie for the benefit of themselves with little concern for others. As proof look what's happened in Texas, one recently elected politician abandoned his voters when the going got tough. And now in attempt to appease the mob they have failed they've decided to relax all efforts towards protecting people, it's insane. The stars are all lined up in Texas, give it a month and watch the outcome. History in the making.

Steve
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on March 08, 2021, 09:42:28 AM
I am 100% behind anyone that wants to not get the shot for whatever reason.  I am also 100% behind someone suing you if you decline the shot and they can prove you gave it to them.  It cuts both ways. 

   That's OK only because you can never prove anyone gave it to you. The idea that you could sue someone for "giving you" a disease (without willful intent) is nuts. Of course, knowing you have Wuhan, and then going and intentionally coughing on people, that's willful intent, and arguably assault.  Having asymptomatic Wuhan that you don't know about, and transmitting it to someone in casual contact is not.

     People worried about communicable diseases have a ~100% reliable alternative - isolation. They also have a reasonably reliable solution - vaccination, which, if you are pessimistic, gives you 75% immunity. So it is (now, or at least very shortly) in the control of everyone to *protect themselves*, at least as well against this as any other random risk. The notion that there can be no risk, ever, is a function of modern thinking. Essentially Wuhan is a pretty typical and now endemic disease, and even though it is 2021 - we are still almost as helpless against it as they were in the 1300s. All you can ever hope for is that the risk disappears into the background.

    The analogy with measles is apt - it was killing about as many people as Wuhan is going to, *every single year for the better part of a century* in an era with much lower population, and not only did no one figure it was much of a problem, parents would sometimes intentionally expose their kids to it just so they got immunity. Even the profile of deaths is very similar- trivial risk for children (*trivial*, not zero) and wildly disproportionately increased risk rising with age.

    The reaction to measles before the vaccine makes a fascinating comparison to Wuhan about the really basic lack of modern knowledge about  various risks they are subject to. Asbestos, lead, ionizing radiation, same thing - these risks are all blown wildly out of proportion by historical standards and many people are willing to absolutely destroy anything positive about modern civilization to avoid what would have been completely trivial risks before about 1970.

      Brett
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: John Park on March 08, 2021, 11:04:09 AM
Asbestos, lead, ionizing radiation, same thing - these risks are all blown wildly out of proportion by historical standards and many people are willing to absolutely destroy anything positive about modern civilization to avoid what would have been completely trivial risks before about 1970.

      Brett
At my first school, the central heating pipes were insulated with asbestos, which was plastered wet round the pipes, allowed to set, and just painted over.  We used to relieve the boredom of lessons by picking holes in it with our fingernails.  Later, when we roamed the woods with our air rifles, we'd carry half a dozen slugs in our mouths to speed up reloading.  That was in the 1950s.  Makes you wonder how we survived, doesn't it?

John
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on March 08, 2021, 11:50:40 AM
At my first school, the central heating pipes were insulated with asbestos, which was plastered wet round the pipes, allowed to set, and just painted over.  We used to relieve the boredom of lessons by picking holes in it with our fingernails.  Later, when we roamed the woods with our air rifles, we'd carry half a dozen slugs in our mouths to speed up reloading.  That was in the 1950s.  Makes you wonder how we survived, doesn't it?

   Good example, very similar to our schools - the ceilings were just open-frame and sprayed an inch thick with asbestos, which you could see floating in the air when the sun shone in.

  Another one - lead is now a deadly poison causing developmental problems in children and heavy-metal toxicity in adults (in sufficient quantities). During the time that tetraethyl lead was common in motor fuel we fought two psychotic dictatorships to a destruction, went from flying around in biplanes to putting a man on the moon and sending probes to every major planet, and gone from 50% of the world living continuously on the edge of starvation to having "poor" whos biggest problem is obesity.   

     The current world cowers in terror from every perceived issue, even those where *the people behind them have admitted that they lied about them for effect*, waiting around for someone to fix it for them.   This latter cowardice has exploded since the 90's - maybe we ought to put the lead BACK in motor fuel!   That's of course just a joke because the same cowardice and foolish inability to gauge risk caused the lead to be removed in the first place. Many people have never had a single real challenge in their entire lives, or been in any real danger, so they blow the minor inconveniences out or proportion into existential crises.

     Brett

 
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: EddyR on March 08, 2021, 12:53:43 PM
 I have not read any of these post except the last page as i clicked on it by accident. I was very surprised that anyone would use measles as proof that Vaccine do not work. Measles has gone from millions a year to 73,000 word wide  because of vaccine.  I am aware of this as I was told I had measles 20 years ago when I was vaccinated as a kid. I did not have it was it was a reaction from a medicine change that took months for it to show in my system. BECAUSE OF THIS WHEN i GOT MY SHOT i HAD TO STAY FOR OBSERVATION FOR ONE HR AND THE CALL BACK EACH DAY FOR A WEEK. I had no reaction at all, not even are pain in the arm after the shot.
 QUOTE  It is one of the leading vaccine-preventable disease causes of death.[19][20] In 1980, 2.6 million people died of it,[7] and in 1990, 545,000 died; by 2014, global vaccination programs had reduced the number of deaths from measles to 73,000.[21][22] Despite these trends, rates of disease and deaths increased from 2017 to 2019 due to a decrease in immunization.[23][24][25]
Ed
 CDC for 2019
Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 659,041
Cancer: 599,601
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,499
Diabetes: 87,647
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,565
Influenza and Pneumonia: 49,783
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,511
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dan McEntee on March 08, 2021, 01:09:27 PM
I have not read any of these post except the last page as i clicked on it by accident. I was very surprised that anyone would use measles as proof that Vaccine do not work. Measles has gone from millions a year to 73,000 word wide  because of vaccine.  I am aware of this as I was told I had measles 20 years ago when I was vaccinated as a kid. I did not have it was it was a reaction from a medicine change that took months for it to show in my system. BECAUSE OF THIS WHEN i GOT MY SHOT i HAD TO STAY FOR OBSERVATION FOR ONE HR AND THE CALL BACK EACH DAY FOR A WEEK. I had no reaction at all, not even are pain in the arm after the shot.
 QUOTE  It is one of the leading vaccine-preventable disease causes of death.[19][20] In 1980, 2.6 million people died of it,[7] and in 1990, 545,000 died; by 2014, global vaccination programs had reduced the number of deaths from measles to 73,000.[21][22] Despite these trends, rates of disease and deaths increased from 2017 to 2019 due to a decrease in immunization.[23][24][25]
Ed
 CDC for 2019
Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 659,041
Cancer: 599,601
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,499
Diabetes: 87,647
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,565
Influenza and Pneumonia: 49,783
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,511

    Re read the post Eddy, I think you are mis-understanding his point. Go back to Post #152 I think it is and you may get the idea. I happen to agree with him.
   Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on March 08, 2021, 01:31:34 PM
I have not read any of these post except the last page as i clicked on it by accident. I was very surprised that anyone would use measles as proof that Vaccine do not work. Measles has gone from millions a year to 73,000 word wide  because of vaccine.  I am aware of this as I was told I had measles 20 years ago when I was vaccinated as a kid. I

  Missed my point completely - because I used this as an example where a vaccination DOES work. I support getting vaccinated for Wuhan, it's not likely to be more dangerous than any other vaccine.

    Brett
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on March 08, 2021, 08:25:30 PM
  Missed my point completely - because I used this as an example where a vaccination DOES work. I support getting vaccinated for Wuhan, it's not likely to be more dangerous than any other vaccine.

    Brett

   The point being not about vaccinations- those are good and I highly encourage everyone to get one for Wuhan. I think there is some reluctance simply because of the source - press, Biden administration, Fauci - have so consistently and obviously lied to everyone about this from the beginning. I understand people's anger, but vaccination, by itself, stripped of the BS, is a very good thing that has helped save untold millions of lives in other cases, including the measles.

   The other point being - Wuhan and the Measles (before the vaccine)  have remarkable similarities in terms of mortality, age-related mortality profile, transmissibility, and mechanism. The statistics look *extremely similar* in almost every respect.

     But, when measles was endemic, we managed to live through it with barely a notice. Wuhan, we have tried to turn the entire country into an isolation ward with devastating side effects and a casual dismissal of our most important formative principles/rights. You have to wonder, if measles mutated to make the vaccine ineffective, would we do the same thing? Or would we look at someone who suggested that and say "that's the dumbest thing we ever heard - it's *the measles* for God's sake, who cares?"

    Brett


     
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dick Pacini on March 08, 2021, 10:59:35 PM
Got my 2nd shot this past Wednesday.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: EddyR on March 09, 2021, 06:59:56 AM
I do know where you are getting your measles facts but i lived through the 1940-50’s and the death rate for children was less than 500 per year in the US. All children came down with it and my parents were afraid to let me go to the movies or any place with a group of kids.  Comparing  500 to 550,000 a year is hiding one,s head in the sand. Measles and polio was a very big scare in the 1950’s
   





Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Frank Imbriaco on March 09, 2021, 07:15:10 AM
So we got our second Pfizer vaccine on Feb 9 down here in sunny Florida. Thank you Gov Ron DeSantis !
Our friends and relatives back in NJ are just starting to get appointments or if lucky, got just one.
 In recent days and weeks, a lot has been made of the Brazilian strain of Covid.
Happy to read  today that the Pfizer vaccine neutralizes it; highly effective.
Stay well, all.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on March 09, 2021, 10:10:56 AM
I do know where you are getting your measles facts but i lived through the 1940-50’s and the death rate for children was less than 500 per year in the US. All children came down with it and my parents were afraid to let me go to the movies or any place with a group of kids.  Comparing  500 to 550,000 a year is hiding one,s head in the sand. Measles and polio was a very big scare in the 1950’s
 

    The numbers came from the same World Health Organization that supplied the 550,000 number....   And, Wuhan deaths among children are far less than 500, because, just like measles, it was disproportionately lethal for older people. Kids got it as kids, not many died, and then were immune, but if you got it when you were old, it was extremely dangerous.

   And, in any case, *we did not attempt to turn the entire country into a prison camp* no matter what the numbers.

      I agree that polio was the disease that terrified everyone, but that the transmissibility and mortality rate was much lower than measles. It was terrifying because you might end up in an iron lung for the rest of your life. That's one horror I think I am glad almost no one today has seen.

    Brett

   

   
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: john e. holliday on March 09, 2021, 11:04:57 AM
Seen a photo of the nurses at a influenza site in early 1900's in which it was verified 500,00 people dead.  The USA was still not full size yet and didn't have 50 states.   And we consider 500,00 a catastrophy in 2020. S?P
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on March 09, 2021, 03:04:07 PM
From Fauci's latest briefing
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Chuck_Smith on March 10, 2021, 01:00:01 PM
Seen a photo of the nurses at a influenza site in early 1900's in which it was verified 500,00 people dead.  The USA was still not full size yet and didn't have 50 states.   And we consider 500,00 a catastrophy in 2020. S?P

Well gee John, what do you call half a million people dead? Even if the data was GROSSLY skewed and half of the reporting was wrong, that's still a quarter of a million people dead. You need a smaller denominator?  And the sad part is, a lot of the deaths were preventable.

I guess this is my WTF? moment.

Chuck
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: EddyR on March 10, 2021, 03:54:13 PM
 North Carolina has been one of the slowest ones to offer the covid shots. In many parts of the state it is still impossible to get a shot. I signed up in early January  and just got first shot two weeks ago and had to drive 60 miles to get that one. Second one next week. I live in rural Stanley county and no one offed shots any where near us.  We got our first shot at the hospital that Rebecca worked at and they changed the location two times.
  If you watch TV you would think NC is leading the Us in shots but we are almost last
Ed
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on March 10, 2021, 06:19:12 PM
Interesting video.
Al
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0IHZCwbLiizO_uNAFwIk45nIg
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on March 11, 2021, 12:38:54 AM
Well gee John, what do you call half a million people dead? Even if the data was GROSSLY skewed and half of the reporting was wrong, that's still a quarter of a million people dead. You need a smaller denominator?  And the sad part is, a lot of the deaths were preventable.

    There is no doubt that this is a real disease and a real bad break. But, I doubt that a lot of the deaths were preventable - or rather not preventable without impractically draconian measures. I made a prediction about a year ago about how many people would end up dead, based on purely assuming that the death rate per exposed person was as it was indicated early on, and assuming that everyone in the country would be exposed. It was 300,000 to 500,000, we are currently at 529,000 and rate falling rapidly (as herd immunity + vaccinations take hold). The error in the estimate is because it became clear shortly into this that the death rate was a tiny bit higher than orginally calculated. That also assumes that other measures (like masks and washing hand obsessively) were entirely cosmetic, and the only way to slow it down/spread it out was isolation.

     The lockdowns and selective isolation of sensitive populations *slowed down the spread* but *didn't prevent it* in almost all cases. Slowing it down, as originally attempted ("14 days to flatten the curve" which is now 365 days and counting...) saved a few lives by mostly preventing the hospitals from being overwhelmed, and, as implied by "flattening the curve" and also made it last much longer than it would have otherwise. It didn't appear to change the death rate per exposure at all.

    So, we knocked it down slightly - but at what cost? Poverty, by itself, is good for 40,000 deaths a year per percent unemployment. That's a rough estimate of what was saved by dragging it out longer - but unemployment went up by 11%  at peak as a result of the lockdowns. So even if you think the deaths is the sole and only important figure of merit, you saved 40,000 and cost 440,000 from the side effects.

    This is just math and universally-accepted  population and mortality statistics, anyone can do the same. There was probably some minima between draconian lockdowns saving lives and the side effects of draconian lockdowns causing poverty-related deaths, but it appears we traded lingering mortality due to economic reasons of 400,000 or so dead for a for a 7-10% reduction in Wuhan deaths.

   So yes, all this knocked down slightly on the deaths from one case, but at an appalling cost, even if you just look at the dead and ignore the other effects.

    Brett
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dan McEntee on March 11, 2021, 06:11:05 AM
Interesting video.
Al
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0IHZCwbLiizO_uNAFwIk45nIg

     Yes it is an interesting video, but would carry a bit more authority is we knew who this man was and what school/lab/company he was representing. Some sort of ID that we can look up and verify. And maybe even some other entity backing up what he is presenting.
   
  Type at you later
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 11, 2021, 06:59:13 AM
Better yet Dan, let's set thus guy down with Fauci and the CDC and see how the outcome stacks up. If we listen to this guy we can no longer call it the "Wuhan" that's a positive.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dan McEntee on March 11, 2021, 08:54:30 AM
Better yet Dan, let's set thus guy down with Fauci and the CDC and see how the outcome stacks up. If we listen to this guy we can no longer call it the "Wuhan" that's a positive.

    I've lost any faith in Faucci, WHO and the CDC a long time ago. They are on record as giving out mis-information. This man isn't the only one with sheep skins and pedigrees that are saying the same thing over the last year. I have said this from the beginning that the way that the virus is not and miss on who it seriously affects, something is missing in what we are being told. Even the elderly quite often have no or very mild symptoms. it all depends on your personal immune system. A lot of illnesses and diseases can vary on severity depending on a persons genetics. Most people relate diabetes with obesity, but I know a whole lot of people that are as skinny as a rail and are diabetic, and also over weight people that are not diabetic.  People have very short memories. This is not the first time a Corona Virus has been involve with a break out, but has been the first one that has been made into a political football.
   Type at you later,
    Dan McEnte
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 11, 2021, 09:51:39 AM
You can find and read studies and reports for hours on the complexity associated with distinguishing SARS-COV-2 from the many infectious flu influenza related respiratory complications that have existed for years. I recall occasionally I would see someone walking by wearing a mask and would wonder if he was dust or allergy sensitive, look at us now. Where are we going from here? As new virus strains are developing science is already anticipating modified vaccines. How many vaccine cards will I have to keep in the future and what will they learn about compatibility and accumulative effect if any?

You think the learning curve has been vertical for folks like Fauci, wait until the information coming forth get real confusing, I thinks it's the tip of the iceberg. One thing for sure I'm going to stick to wearing my N-95 well into the future and enjoy the politics. What ever they decide to attribute this growing death rate to I don't wish to be part of it, it's not my time yet!!!

Steve
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Skip Chernoff on March 11, 2021, 11:04:14 AM
My wife and I had our 2nd Moderna shot yesreday. I've had no reaction except some soreness where the needle went in. On the other hand my wife is running a fever of 101.6 and has aches and pains all over. They say this is quite normal for 2nd shot Moderna. I'll keep an eye on her..........PhillySkip
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on March 11, 2021, 11:24:10 AM
My wife and I had our 2nd Moderna shot yesreday. I've had no reaction except some soreness where the needle went in. On the other hand my wife is running a fever of 101.6 and has aches and pains all over. They say this is quite normal for 2nd shot Moderna. I'll keep an eye on her..........PhillySkip

   That means it is doing something. The reaction to viruses (coughing, sneezing, fever, etc) is not the virus itself causing it, it is your immune system reacting to it - the fever, for instance, forms to "burn out" the virus. The less efficient your immune system, the bigger the reaction.  So it probably means that she had little natural immunity to it in the first place. By the same token, your lack of reaction probably means you had significant immunity already (most likely had already been exposed and had a mild immune reaction - which is what happens in the vast, vast majority of Wuhan cases).

  So that is all good news, I think.

    Brett

   
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Ken Culbertson on March 11, 2021, 11:50:06 AM
Second shot yesterday.  In two weeks I will be able to do legally what I have been doing all along.

Ken

Tiny headache, some sore muscles and that be that.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: bob whitney on March 11, 2021, 01:29:58 PM
got my 2nd shot today through the VA
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Skip Chernoff on March 11, 2021, 02:03:33 PM
Brett,thanks for that info. Today was the first really nice day here in Philly with temps around 75.I was planning on going flying but decided to stay with my wife "just in case"......so what you're  saying is I could have gone to the field and practice that pesky square 8.....Be safe,Skip
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Chuck_Smith on March 12, 2021, 04:55:00 AM
When fishing I often hang with medical doctors, surgeons and a great veterinarian. All these guys have PhD's in medicine and in most cases decades in their professions. They are what I think of as "Subject Matter Experts". To a person they all say that mask wearing is effective and that's why they wear them when doing surgery. They think Covid 19 is dangerous too. They urge people to get vaccinated. I also listen to the virologists and people at the CDC.


I'm inclined to listen to them more than some old-timers on a model airplane forum who claim to know better. Especially so considering some of the aerodynamic "wisdom" I read from a few of them. (BTW, that's my personal choice for all you "don't take-away-my-freedom" folks.)

Call me a fool.

The Mrs. got her second shot this week. Moderna. Felt a little flu-like for that afternoon but woke up the next AM and all is well. I get my first shot Monday, can't wait. Billfish and dolphin tournaments by the end of May. Woohoo! (Wahoo?)

Chuck
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Carl Cisneros on March 12, 2021, 07:39:50 AM
Finally got my appointment day for the 16th. Just waiting to be contacted as to the location and time.

Carl
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 12, 2021, 08:35:31 AM
Chuck,

  If you go to FactCheck.org or just Google "The Evolving Science of Face Masks and COVID-19"  we can find a fair conclusion on the effectiveness of mask wearing to reduce the risk of developing or spreading the Covid-19 virus. They tell it like it is, of course if someone is still hung up on a mask infringing on their rights I guess it doesn't matter to them anyway.

Steve
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on March 12, 2021, 08:45:34 AM
     so what you're  saying is I could have gone to the field and practice that pesky square 8.....Be safe,Skip
     You did the right thing by staying with her, keep a close eye on her till she gets over the reaction to the vaccine. People are calling in to the radio station NJ 101.5 and are telling their experience after getting the shot. It turns out more Women are having problems after getting the 2nd Moderna shot more than men with high fever and aches & pains, some even ended up in the hospital.
     Thanks for sharing Skip, and I hope she feels better real soon.
Al
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dave Harmon on March 12, 2021, 09:01:02 AM
How many vaccine cards will I have to keep in the future

Steve

Steve.....this reminds me that I still have my US Army shot record card from 64'.
There was a time when I would rather be shot that lose that card!!
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on March 12, 2021, 09:16:47 AM
Chuck,

  If you go to FactCheck.org or just Google "The Evolving Science of Face Masks and COVID-19"  we can find a fair conclusion on the effectiveness of mask wearing to reduce the risk of developing or spreading the Covid-19 virus. They tell it like it is, of course if someone is still hung up on a mask infringing on their rights I guess it doesn't matter to them anyway.

Steve
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on March 12, 2021, 09:54:44 AM
If you go to FactCheck.org or just Google "The Evolving Science of Face Masks and COVID-19"  we can find a fair conclusion on the effectiveness of mask wearing to reduce the risk of developing or spreading the Covid-19 virus. They tell it like it is, of course if someone is still hung up on a mask infringing on their rights I guess it doesn't matter to them anyway.

If you go to FactCheck.org or just Google "The Evolving Science of Face Masks and COVID-19"  we can find a fair conclusion on the effectiveness of mask wearing to reduce the risk of developing or spreading the Covid-19 virus.

  Is it in any way surprising left wing organizations like factcheck.org declare that their initiatives work?  You treat factcheck.org like it is some scientific orgnization - it was created to ensure that the left could define "fact" how they chose. And make people who know nothing about it sound like they know what they are talking about, in their endearingly sanctimious/self-righteous way.

      NO studies before about March 2020 found that wearing a randomly-chosen mask, and that alone, was effective in slowing or preventing the spread of a virus - any virus, Wuhan Flu is not consequentially different - and that was how even the sainted Fauci started out. He wasn't lying to help Trump. He wrote an article for JAMA indicating exactly that. Starting in March, a spew of "studies" said wearing masks as a great idea came out, when the left switched from "trying to suppress the spread is racist", to "Trump is killing you!!!!!!" He of course fell in line and changed, presto-chango, despite the fact that there were no studies due to lack of time and lack of any process controls in a few months.

   Cut to July-ish when there HAD been enough time to do such a study. No clinical difference in the occurrence or severity wearing a mask. That was available for about a day, until the outcry from the left caused it to be taken down as "dangerous". I linked to it here. Dangerous to what?  People offering a worthless non-solution "solution" to curry political favor. Since, of course, everyone involved got the message, say the wrong thing and you are getting cancelled.

   This is an absolutely *textbook* and blatantly obvious case of manipulating "science" and political organizations deciding to define "fact" to their own ends and using the means available to give the ignorant. Compare to this hypothesis:

   March 2020- We have a new virus with no known significant immunity.  We are doing more-or-less nothing useful to retard the spread (and can't, in any practical sense), so the number of deaths will be .1-.15% of the exposed population - the assumed death rate per exposure in April 2020, minus a few who hunker down in nearly complete isolation. 330,000,000*.001 = 330,000, knock that down to 300,000 to cover outliers. 330,000,000*.0015 = 495,000. Figure a year for a vaccine has any significant effect, so predict 300,000 - 500,000 dead.

     Cut to March 2021 - actual dead 529,000 and rapidly diminishing with minimal effects of vaccination. That represents a 5% error in the original death rate per exposure
.16% VS .15%. In reality, figure that the exposure is not 100%, and the actual death rate per exposure is more like .17-.18% - which is in fact consistent with the other known statistics.   So, in the first few weeks it was possible to predict the effects within single-digit percentages.

    That is actual science, data science in this case. And in fact, it probably takes about that long to make any reasonable study. It presumes that masks do nothing at all, along with all the other silly "solutions" offered. Isolation *does* work, people in at-risk populations should (or at this point, should have, since it is past-tense) isolate to the maximum extent possible, people under 60 should probably just go on with their lives, get a bad cold for a week, and go on with life. And don't bother posting anecdotal "well, a 18 year old got it and DIED". That is a statistical anomaly, and the entire premise includes *random error*, that is, for all intents and purposes, luck (chaos...).

   Brett
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Don Chandler on March 12, 2021, 11:30:15 AM
I get my second one on the 18th!
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Motorman on March 12, 2021, 12:42:04 PM
Steve.....this reminds me that I still have my US Army shot record card from 64'.
There was a time when I would rather be shot that lose that card!!

LOL, I still got that yellow shot card too from 1975. How long do those shots last?


Motorman 8)
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 12, 2021, 02:01:36 PM
Left, Right in the Middle whatever, taking away all Fauci finger pointing, before and after fact checking and Democratic "manipulation"  the bottom line is masks have a benefit and have been proven to reduce the spread of the Covid-19 virus to and from the individual.

Additionally early on when the country was trying to comprehend whether the virus hitting NYC came from Europe or via the west coast early implementation of mask wearing and social distancing in the densest populated city in the country resulted in "bending the curve" in what was a seemingly hopeless situation. At the same time other parts of the country were continuing with planned mask less parties and events (mardi gras 2020) resulting in catastrophic consequences only weeks later followed with the beginning of the political nonsense over mask wearing.

If only we had a leader at the time that had set the example and his approximately 60 million far-right followers had worn masks we'd have enjoyed ourselves last July instead of hopefully this July. Refute it all you will the writing is on the wall masks help reduce the spread, I didn't say eliminate but they are a benefit.

Steve
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on March 12, 2021, 02:59:41 PM
If only we had a leader at the time that had set the example and his approximately 60 million far-right followers had worn masks we'd have enjoyed ourselves last July instead of hopefully this July. Refute it all you will the writing is on the wall masks help reduce the spread, I didn't say eliminate but they are a benefit.

  This is just political screed,  not an argument.

   If you can predict the answer within 5% a year out,  assuming NO MASK or any other real "defense", you can probably assume that the assumptions were correct. I though the left was all about "science"?  Form a hypothesis, predict a result, perform an experiment, check that result matches prediction. Sounds OK to me.

    Brett
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dan McEntee on March 12, 2021, 04:24:26 PM
Left, Right in the Middle whatever, taking away all Fauci finger pointing, before and after fact checking and Democratic "manipulation"  the bottom line is masks have a benefit and have been proven to reduce the spread of the Covid-19 virus to and from the individual.

Additionally early on when the country was trying to comprehend whether the virus hitting NYC came from Europe or via the west coast early implementation of mask wearing and social distancing in the densest populated city in the country resulted in "bending the curve" in what was a seemingly hopeless situation. At the same time other parts of the country were continuing with planned mask less parties and events (mardi gras 2020) resulting in catastrophic consequences only weeks later followed with the beginning of the political nonsense over mask wearing.

If only we had a leader at the time that had set the example and his approximately 60 million far-right followers had worn masks we'd have enjoyed ourselves last July instead of hopefully this July. Refute it all you will the writing is on the wall masks help reduce the spread, I didn't say eliminate but they are a benefit.

Steve

     Well, you had a leader in place that got things to where they are today. Biden didn't take office until January 20th, remember?  Anything positive about this that you can point out was put into play by the Trump administration.  Grandpa Joe is just parading around, being propped up by Jill and his other handlers, taking advantage of a situation and taking credit for what had already been put into action. It just takes time for it to play out and over lapped into his administration. And he's making claims about numbers and such that don't stand up to criticism. The death and infection rates have been in free fall since the holidays, when everyone was predicting another  "surge"  that never happened.  There hasn't been enough vaccine in circulation long enough to have that kind of effect. And on the effectiveness of masks, Faucci and the CDC want you to wear two or three now!! Grandpa Joe is wearing two now when he is on camera. If they were that damned effective, why isn't one enough???? For the whole past year it's been one contradiction after another. There are just as many PHD's out there that can contradict the "science" presented by Faucci and the CDC as there are that push it. Countless examples of horse and pony shows put on by the MSM to push the fear mongering agenda. I'm sorry that people died, but you know what, people die every minute of every day. Even if you believe the number of deaths, a VERY high percentage of those ha underlying health issues that put them at risk of any kind of infection. Even as the number of infections and deaths are dropping like they fell off a cliff, the MSM is still pushing the fear mongering and their agenda to try and hold the course. I have real reservations about the death total, when it has been proven from the beginning that the numbers have been padded and exaggerated. If you stepped off a curb and got hit by a truck and were infected, you were listed as a Covid fatality!  And no one in authority has the conscience to correct that because it doesn't fit the narrative. The MSM won't report on anything like that.  And as far as the vaccines go, how safe are they, and how skilled are the people applying it?? The first one rushed to the market is so fragile it has to be kept at -90F degrees !! Lots of stories out there about doses being wasted, ruined because of the refrigeration issue, and then you add the human element into administering it. They have been crying the blues about the shortages of medical staffs during this whole affair, and if that is true and they are still needed, who is administering them? The janitors?? How well are these people trained? Are the bad reactions and even deaths that have been re[ported due to human error and incompetence's ? We are talking big numbers here in a really short amount of time and plenty of opportunity for people to screw up. And one thing that you can count on people for , is that they are very capable of screwing the pooch!

  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on March 12, 2021, 08:04:35 PM
For the whole past year it's been one contradiction after another. There are just as many PHD's out there that can contradict the "science" presented by Faucci and the CDC as there are that push it. Countless examples of horse and pony shows put on by the MSM to push the fear mongering agenda. I'm sorry that people died, but you know what, people die every minute of every day. Even if you believe the number of deaths, a VERY high percentage of those ha underlying health issues that put them at risk of any kind of infection. Even as the number of infections and deaths are dropping like they fell off a cliff, the MSM is still pushing the fear mongering and their agenda to try and hold the course.

    The basic problem is that we are experiencing a sickening and shameful mix of "safety culture", "cancel culture", and plain old fear. The left and the "Safety culture" (which are mostly the same people) have been running from one mode of apocalyptic doom after another for many decades how - overpopulation/starvation, ice age, global warming, "facism" (which means anyone or anything they want to bad-mouth). They finally got one that was sort-of legitimate, this is a real epidemic with real danger for some, it's not the end as they had long prophesied, but certainly not just made up from whole cloth like all the others.

  Wuhan or any other infection diseases don't scare me - it's that people are not only *willing* to live their lives in abject terror, they *wallow* in the disaster, and even worse, instead of questioning various little Hitler's made-up-on-the-spot mandates and "science", they are ACTIVELY SEEKING OUT THE GOVERNMENT TO GIVE THEM ORDERS so that they can feel "safe". Even when *they know for certain that the same people have intentionally and repeatedly lied to them*, which we know for certain because the people lying *have admitted it*, and are even proud of it!

   That - supposedly grown adults in the USA are living in fear to the point that they effectively demand that the government order them around just to feel better - is a *far* more dangerous situation than a virus. Even that filthy b*stard FDR knew that was the biggest threat.

     Brett

p.s. by the way, teh backlash is already starting in earnest. The prime movers on draconian illegal lockdowns, and former darlings of the left - Cuomo and Newsom - are well on their way to getting ousted. Newsom is going to undergo a recall election, although I doubt that will end up passing (although Gray Davis was pretty certain he was safe, too, this far out...) and the butcher Cuomo is effectively gone already - although the reasoning behind that is, again, almost literally insane. Killing tens of thousand of old people, he probably would have survived, but play grab-ass with the secretary - that's apparently that is too far. It's sleazy and abusive, but - maybe 10- 15,000 people are *dead*.

    There's really no excuse, while there was a lot people didn't understand at the time, the one unequivocal thing we did know was that it could wipe out an old folks home in a week, because that was how this all started, up in Washington. Another example of reasoning of the left.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: GallopingGhostler on March 12, 2021, 10:38:24 PM
I think the Amish have it figured out.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dave Harmon on March 12, 2021, 11:58:16 PM
LOL, I still got that yellow shot card too from 1975. How long do those shots last?


Motorman 8)

Hell if I know Motor!
But I ain't takin a chance....just as I thought I was out, they drag me back in!!
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Chuck_Smith on March 13, 2021, 04:40:33 AM
  Is it in any way surprising left wing organizations like factcheck.org declare that their initiatives work?  You treat factcheck.org like it is some scientific orgnization - it was created to ensure that the left could define "fact" how they chose. And make people who know nothing about it sound like they know what they are talking about, in their endearingly sanctimious/self-righteous way.

      NO studies before about March 2020 found that wearing a randomly-chosen mask, and that alone, was effective in slowing or preventing the spread of a virus - any virus, Wuhan Flu is not consequentially different - and that was how even the sainted Fauci started out. He wasn't lying to help Trump. He wrote an article for JAMA indicating exactly that. Starting in March, a spew of "studies" said wearing masks as a great idea came out, when the left switched from "trying to suppress the spread is racist", to "Trump is killing you!!!!!!" He of course fell in line and changed, presto-chango, despite the fact that there were no studies due to lack of time and lack of any process controls in a few months.

   Cut to July-ish when there HAD been enough time to do such a study. No clinical difference in the occurrence or severity wearing a mask. That was available for about a day, until the outcry from the left caused it to be taken down as "dangerous". I linked to it here. Dangerous to what?  People offering a worthless non-solution "solution" to curry political favor. Since, of course, everyone involved got the message, say the wrong thing and you are getting cancelled.

   This is an absolutely *textbook* and blatantly obvious case of manipulating "science" and political organizations deciding to define "fact" to their own ends and using the means available to give the ignorant. Compare to this hypothesis:

   March 2020- We have a new virus with no known significant immunity.  We are doing more-or-less nothing useful to retard the spread (and can't, in any practical sense), so the number of deaths will be .1-.15% of the exposed population - the assumed death rate per exposure in April 2020, minus a few who hunker down in nearly complete isolation. 330,000,000*.001 = 330,000, knock that down to 300,000 to cover outliers. 330,000,000*.0015 = 495,000. Figure a year for a vaccine has any significant effect, so predict 300,000 - 500,000 dead.

     Cut to March 2021 - actual dead 529,000 and rapidly diminishing with minimal effects of vaccination. That represents a 5% error in the original death rate per exposure
.16% VS .15%. In reality, figure that the exposure is not 100%, and the actual death rate per exposure is more like .17-.18% - which is in fact consistent with the other known statistics.   So, in the first few weeks it was possible to predict the effects within single-digit percentages.

    That is actual science, data science in this case. And in fact, it probably takes about that long to make any reasonable study. It presumes that masks do nothing at all, along with all the other silly "solutions" offered. Isolation *does* work, people in at-risk populations should (or at this point, should have, since it is past-tense) isolate to the maximum extent possible, people under 60 should probably just go on with their lives, get a bad cold for a week, and go on with life. And don't bother posting anecdotal "well, a 18 year old got it and DIED". That is a statistical anomaly, and the entire premise includes *random error*, that is, for all intents and purposes, luck (chaos...).

   Brett

Brett,

You disappointed me. I generally expect a much more sophisticated and cogent argument from you than most here, and I always look forward to your insights.

Attacking Mr. Dwyer's sources and then going on for several paragraphs with un-cited claims to the contrary strikes me a as a bit - shall we say - unpolished for a learned colleague.

I get it, it's the internet and anybody can say anything, but we need to be smart enough to back up what we say either with professional authority (which neither of us have
 wrt virology) or credible sources. Just throwing stuff out as "facts" is not exactly taking the highest road, would you agree?

Peace,

Chuck

Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 13, 2021, 08:32:47 AM
Chuck,

I’d say you are being too gracious the responses here fall under Philosophical Determinism where a person finds it difficult or impossible to change or accept beyond one’s thinking. In our case, the tactic is if you throw enough s_ _ t on the wall you can only hope eventually something will stick. It’s so degrading from someone we’d like to respect.
 
As for governor finger-pointing let’s not forget the last four years where our illustrious former president’s failure to act early on, promoting congested gatherings, and lying about receiving the vaccine himself resulted in “butchering” if you wish over half a million people. Not saying I love Cuomo but if you want to descend as you have into his “groping” (arm and waist touching), compare it to the great goomba saying he just grabs them by the P_ _ _  Y. Sounds a little like the pot calling the kettle black?

Staying safe here wearing a mask, distancing, and thanking the good lord we finally have someone to lead us out of this dilemma.

Just plain tired of beating a dead horse here, think I’ll move on to something more constructive. Do as you may, the weather’s improving so I can shoot those models before the grass circle firms enough to walk on.

Steve

Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Paul Smith on March 13, 2021, 09:09:29 AM
An untested vaccine to prevent a disease that can be cured in a week is a bad bet.

TV ads are full of "Better Call Saul" to get into class action suits against harmful drugs that were tested far more this politically motived quickie shot.

I have chosen to be part of the Control Group that will still be around if the vaccine KILLS people.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dave Adamisin on March 13, 2021, 09:27:08 AM
Got my first on 03/02 and will get the second on 03/24. Thank you Meijers..
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on March 13, 2021, 03:06:37 PM
Chuck,

  let’s not forget the last four years where our illustrious former president’s failure to act early on, promoting congested gatherings, and lying about receiving the vaccine himself resulted in “butchering” if you wish over half a million people.
Steve
  Being you're finger pointing, Biden called Trump a "xenophobic"  over restricting air travel  on 1-31-2020 and when Trump banned travel from China into the USA  Pelosi held a rally in Chinatown down playing the threat of Covid-19 over Trump expanding the travel ban. So let's contrast that to Biden's open southern border allowing Covid-19 infected illegal immigrants to get on buses traveling freely into the interior of the US spreading Covid-19 all along the way. Now there is a true crisis on the border with over crowding, children alone sleeping in cages on cement floors and in shipping containers with bars on the windows, and of course no cameras are allowed. So Biden fails on both counts protecting American citizens (which he swore an oath to do) and the Immigrants by subjecting them to inhumane conditions at the border!
Al
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Chuck_Smith on March 14, 2021, 06:02:43 AM
  Being you're finger pointing, Biden called Trump a "xenophobic"  over restricting air travel  on 1-31-2020 and when Trump banned travel from China into the USA  Pelosi held a rally in Chinatown down playing the threat of Covid-19 over Trump expanding the travel ban. So let's contrast that to Biden's open southern border allowing Covid-19 infected illegal immigrants to get on buses traveling freely into the interior of the US spreading Covid-19 all along the way. Now there is a true crisis on the border with over crowding, children alone sleeping in cages on cement floors and in shipping containers with bars on the windows, and of course no cameras are allowed. So Biden fails on both counts protecting American citizens (which he swore an oath to do) and the Immigrants by subjecting them to inhumane conditions at the border!
Al

Al, I never pointed a finger, I challenged data, and what did what I say have to do with Biden? How in your somewhat interesting logical framework did you convert a debate over the merits of Covid 19 vaccinations to an emotional exercise in Biden hating? Pardon me, but I'd really love to understand your thinking. 

While your diatribe was a fun ramble, it's based upon a factually inaccurate premise that the infection vector to the US was from China.  I'm confident that if you would expend the effort to look at the history of infections and look at CDC data that tracked the genetics of Covid 19, you'd understand that it wasn't China that was the source of our infections, it was Europe. The previous administration completely whiffed on that one which is a verifiable fact. Unless of course, you can back up your position with real data and not "talking points" to sway my own conclusions. I promise to start at curious and to keep an open mind.
 
I understand that people don't like to have their world view challenged.

Galileo spent his last days under house arrest for saying the earth revolved around the sun. "But it moves."

Chuck
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Brett Buck on March 14, 2021, 02:49:30 PM
Attacking Mr. Dwyer's sources and then going on for several paragraphs with un-cited claims to the contrary strikes me a as a bit - shall we say - unpolished for a learned colleague.

I get it, it's the internet and anybody can say anything, but we need to be smart enough to back up what we say either with professional authority (which neither of us have
 wrt virology) or credible sources. Just throwing stuff out as "facts" is not exactly taking the highest road, would you agree?

  I am not going to do your research for you, or your math. Here's my cite:

https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/masks/msg587551/#msg587551

   You predict an outcome, you get an accurate result in the test, QED.

But I am sure there are the hemmers and hawers so

And this one from shortly before:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

   Wherein:
Quote
Face Masks

 Thumbnail of Meta-analysis of risk ratios for the effect of face mask use with or without enhanced hand hygiene on laboratory-confirmed influenza from 10 randomized controlled trials with >6,500 participants. A) Face mask use alone; B) face mask and hand hygiene; C) face mask with or without hand hygiene. Pooled estimates were not made if there was high heterogeneity (I2 >75%). Squares indicate risk ratio for each of the included studies, horizontal lines indicate 95% CIs, dashed vertical
Figure 2. Meta-analysis of risk ratios for the effect of face mask use with or without enhanced hand hygiene on laboratory-confirmed influenza from 10 randomized controlled trials with >6,500 participants. A) Face mask...
In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25) (Figure 2). One study evaluated the use of masks among pilgrims from Australia during the Hajj pilgrimage and reported no major difference in the risk for laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection in the control or mask group (33). Two studies in university settings assessed the effectiveness of face masks for primary protection by monitoring the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among student hall residents for 5 months (9,10). The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies (9,10). Study designs in the 7 household studies were slightly different: 1 study provided face masks and P2 respirators for household contacts only (34), another study evaluated face mask use as a source control for infected persons only (35), and the remaining studies provided masks for the infected persons as well as their close contacts (11–13,15,17). None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group (11–13,15,17,34,35). Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group.

Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

 Also note: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7546829/

wherein:

Quote
Conclusion: Surgical mask wearing among individuals in non-healthcare settings is not significantly associated with reduction in ARI incidence in this meta-review.

   And those are just those I found in peer-reviewed articles in a brief search.

    So, it's no different from wearing a "Biden 2020" armband or carrying a rabbit's foot.

   Fauci lying about masks is well-documented, but here he is lying about herd immunity (New York Times interview):

Quote
"In the pandemic’s early days, Dr. Fauci tended to cite the same 60 to 70 percent estimate that most experts did. About a month ago, he began saying '70, 75 percent' in television interviews. And last week, in an interview with CNBC News, he said '75, 80, 85 percent' and '75 to 80-plus percent,'" the Times reported.

"In a telephone interview the next day, Dr. Fauci acknowledged that he had slowly but deliberately been moving the goal posts. He is doing so, he said, partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks," the report continued.

    In case you misunderstood the implication of any of the above, Fauci, November 12:

Quote
"I was talking with my U.K. colleagues who are saying the U.K. is similar to where we are now, because each of our countries have that independent spirit,” he said on stage. “I can understand that, but now is the time to do what you’re told.”

    It's not "independent spirit", like it is some sort of whimsical dream - independence is the justification for government's existence and codified in law. You can't really understand that, and still say "do what you are told" like Joseph Stalin.

   So, Chuck, good enough- statistical math, cites from peer-reviewed journals (the same ones that recently told you to wear TWO masks? Could that be because one doesn't work (in a general public setting)? )  and direct quotes from Fauci where he admits lying to manipulate people.

    Brett

Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: EddyR on March 14, 2021, 04:44:02 PM
You can pick your site that fits your arguments. Even the CDC has many opinions on masking. This report on Covid from last Nov on the CDC shows  70% less infections from mask. They used the US military for one of there studies
  cdc.gov
  Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2
Updated Nov. 20, 2020
  This report is very up to date on Covid.      ,one thing most reports do agtee on is social distancing .
Ed
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on March 14, 2021, 05:05:37 PM
There are lots of people that I social distance from and not because of some virus.

Mike
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 15, 2021, 06:04:00 AM
Hmmm what I see here is a similarity of saying all Halloween masks scare people. If one is going to argue mask effectiveness you have to be much more specific, we cannot correctly generalize as the prior lengthy text does by simply stating masks don't work unless of course the real underlying problem is the infringement on your rights issue, which of course is no doubt the driving force here. I suspect one would gain much better ground if he admitted where he stands personally and move on. Science will always win over.

Google "Still confused about masks? Here's the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus"

Stay safe!

Steve

Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dwayne Donnelly on March 15, 2021, 07:53:25 AM
There are lots of people that I social distance from and not because of some virus.

Mike


Amen brother  LL~
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dwayne Donnelly on March 15, 2021, 09:26:59 AM
Siting in waiting room about to get my first shot.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Scott on March 15, 2021, 11:19:00 AM
Got a call this morning from the VA confirming my appointment this afternoon to get the 2nd dose of the Moderna vaccine.

I just don't get the people who feel it's best to simply get infected, ride out the infectious period then you're immune for life (perhaps).  We still don't fully understand the long term effects of this respiratory virus.  True, some people suffer severe symptoms while others have a very mild reaction.  Most will not die from the virus but there are observed long term damage done to internal organs, including the brain, heart and lungs.

I had a viral pneumonia infection as a young teen while overseas.  I hope to never be that sick again and I've been left with permanently scarred lungs although being a lifelong non-smoker.

I'm taking the shots.  No question and anxious for the wife to also get hers soon.  Even after I am immunized, I will still wear the mask and practice precautions.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on March 15, 2021, 06:28:42 PM
Al, I never pointed a finger, I challenged data, and what did what I say have to do with Biden? How in your somewhat interesting logical framework did you convert a debate over the merits of Covid 19 vaccinations to an emotional exercise in Biden hating? Pardon me, but I'd really love to understand your thinking. 

While your diatribe was a fun ramble, it's based upon a factually inaccurate premise that the infection vector to the US was from China.  I'm confident that if you would expend the effort to look at the history of infections and look at CDC data that tracked the genetics of Covid 19, you'd understand that it wasn't China that was the source of our infections, it was Europe. The previous administration completely whiffed on that one which is a verifiable fact. Unless of course, you can back up your position with real data and not "talking points" to sway my own conclusions. I promise to start at curious and to keep an open mind.
 
I understand that people don't like to have their world view challenged.

Galileo spent his last days under house arrest for saying the earth revolved around the sun. "But it moves."

Chuck
       Chuck,    I wasn't responding to your post, read the quote I was responding to in my original response. I realize the way I cut and pasted the quote it picked up your name, however that was not my intent. I don't see how you view my response to Steve's post as Biden hating. I am simply comparing Trump's administration that stopped people with Covid coming in and Biden's administration that opened our southern border to hundreds of thousands of people, some with Covid, causing a crisis at out border that they've now had to call in FEMA, depleting the disaster relief funds.
                    As far as your theories about where Covid came from you might recall that the first cases in the US were in Washington State in January of 2020. They came directly from Wuhan, China, which prompted the first restrictions on travel helping the West Coast control the original outbreak, as most travelers from China to the US come through the West Coast. It was in March of 2020 that NYC became the epicenter for the virus. I don't really understand the point you're trying to make about the genome of the virus. Really are you saying that the virus originated in Europe and not in China, specifically from a BSL-4 lab in Wuhan?  Yes, they can track viral mutations by sequencing the genetic material but blaming Europe for the outbreak in the US is being disingenuous. Also not real sure about your comments regarding Galileo?
Al
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dan McEntee on March 15, 2021, 07:47:39 PM
       Chuck,    I wasn't responding to your post, read the quote I was responding to in my original response. I realize the way I cut and pasted the quote it picked up your name, however that was not my intent. I don't see how you view my response to Steve's post as Biden hating. I am simply comparing Trump's administration that stopped people with Covid coming in and Biden's administration that opened our southern border to hundreds of thousands of people, some with Covid, causing a crisis at out border that they've now had to call in FEMA, depleting the disaster relief funds.
                    As far as your theories about where Covid came from you might recall that the first cases in the US were in Washington State in January of 2020. They came directly from Wuhan, China, which prompted the first restrictions on travel helping the West Coast control the original outbreak, as most travelers from China to the US come through the West Coast. It was in March of 2020 that NYC became the epicenter for the virus. I don't really understand the point you're trying to make about the genome of the virus. Really are you saying that the virus originated in Europe and not in China, specifically from a BSL-4 lab in Wuhan?  Yes, they can track viral mutations by sequencing the genetic material but blaming Europe for the outbreak in the US is being disingenuous. Also not real sure about your comments regarding Galileo?
Al


     And early on in the program, when the first cases started popping up in the east, it was thought that the virus was coming from Europe, but you have to realize that it spread from China across the rest of Asia, the Middle East and then Europe before hopping onto to airliners for the US . Unrestricted travel by people that were infected is what made it spread like wild fire from east to west across Asia and the rest of Europe. Lots of people crammed into trains and busses.  A lot easier to spread that way than crossing an ocean.  That was one of the first things I remember hearing reported on the hole mess.
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Larry Fernandez on March 15, 2021, 08:20:26 PM
This thread is getting a bit old.
Get a shot, or don’t get a shot. After all this is a forum for model airplanes.
Just saying.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on March 15, 2021, 08:48:11 PM
This thread is getting a bit old.
Get a shot, or don’t get a shot. After all this is a forum for model airplanes.
Just saying.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

What Larry said.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on March 16, 2021, 08:47:55 AM
 Sad News, only 66 years old.
Al
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on March 16, 2021, 05:38:18 PM
Sad News, only 66 years old.
Al

According to his family, he DID NOT die from a reaction from the shot.  That was an internet rumor.  Any death that has occurred since February of 2020 was due to Corona Virus.  Just ask Fauci or the hospitals.  So damn sick and tired of this bullshit.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Al Ferraro on March 16, 2021, 06:22:32 PM
According to his family, he DID NOT die from a reaction from the shot.  That was an internet rumor.  Any death that has occurred since February of 2020 was due to Corona Virus.  Just ask Fauci or the hospitals.  So damn sick and tired of this bullshit.
  It wasn’t  a rumor. Tommy Hearns asked for prayers to help his friend.
Al
https://heavy.com/news/marvin-hagler-cause-of-death-controversy-tommy-hearns-blasts-covid-19-vaccine-claim/
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Carl Cisneros on March 16, 2021, 06:36:40 PM
Got my first shot today over in Manassas VA.
They administered the Madona, or is that Moderna vaccine.
Had to wait the 15 minutes afterwards for any adverse reaction.
second one will be on the 13th of April.
Made me sleepy as heck about 2 hours afterwards.
Stayed home from work as well. (work 2nd shift)

Anyways, am glad to finally getting the vaccine.

And please, lets stay on topic.  OK?

Thanks

Carl C
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on March 16, 2021, 07:12:43 PM
  It wasn’t  a rumor. Tommy Hearns asked for prayers to help his friend.
Al
https://heavy.com/news/marvin-hagler-cause-of-death-controversy-tommy-hearns-blasts-covid-19-vaccine-claim/

OK Al  whatever you and Fauci say.


Mike
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Alan Buck on March 16, 2021, 07:47:40 PM
me to young to healthy x smoker no
shots for me yet thank you joe
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on March 19, 2021, 10:49:42 AM
https://rumble.com/ves43t-rand-paul-rips-fauci-over-masks.html

I have watched this about a gazillion times and still watching.  Rand Paul destroys Fauci.
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Dave_Trible on March 20, 2021, 06:07:40 AM
I got my second vaccination yesterday and was eager for it.  Now I won't have to be QUITE so concerned about customers coming in and expressing their 'freedom' all over me, my desk, my phone and in my face.  Science pulled yet another miracle out of the bag.

Dave
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 20, 2021, 08:19:46 AM
Mike,

R Paul expires his time after continuously interrupting Fauci's attempt to respond. Paul's argument sites a one sided limited scope report and attempts to steam roll the one of the worlds most prominent experts on virus. Paul is the showman here as evidenced with his refusal to wear a mask on the floor well before this report was originated. The next time you watch the video listen more closely to Fauci, there are new strains surfacing, the fact is we are still faced with unknowns. This is no place for partisan opposition.

Steve
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: Mike Griffin on March 20, 2021, 07:27:23 PM
Mike,

R Paul expires his time after continuously interrupting Fauci's attempt to respond. Paul's argument sites a one sided limited scope report and attempts to steam roll the one of the worlds most prominent experts on virus. Paul is the showman here as evidenced with his refusal to wear a mask on the floor well before this report was originated. The next time you watch the video listen more closely to Fauci, there are new strains surfacing, the fact is we are still faced with unknowns. This is no place for partisan opposition.

Steve

Fauci is not an expert on anything except political grandstanding.  Rand Paul is a physician as well.  Steve I dont care if you want to wear 37 masks and live in your basement for the rest of your life, go for it.  Do all the virtue signaling you want.  I didnt drink the kool aid on this one and it amazes me how many people are so stupid about all of this.  I had the virus, I had both shots and I will not wear a mask again,  anywhere.  I just bought a new Lexus and the car salesman said I had to wear a mask inside the showroom.  I asked him if he wanted to sell me a car.  He said yes.  I didnt wear a mask and he sold me a car.  Fitzgerald was right, this thread is getting old.  Dont even respond Steve because I am done here.  As Mark Twain once said: "Don't argue with stupid people.  They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." 

Mike
Title: Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
Post by: john e. holliday on March 20, 2021, 09:08:25 PM
We now have locally several small businesses that have the mask sign on the door, but once in the mask goes off.  One place even dared the city official to put a sign on his doors.   Even his employees have no masks.  While in a store that still bows to the politicians I take my mask down to get my breath.  So far no one has said any thing as I do cover my mouth with it. S?P