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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #200 on: March 12, 2021, 04:24:26 PM »
Left, Right in the Middle whatever, taking away all Fauci finger pointing, before and after fact checking and Democratic "manipulation"  the bottom line is masks have a benefit and have been proven to reduce the spread of the Covid-19 virus to and from the individual.

Additionally early on when the country was trying to comprehend whether the virus hitting NYC came from Europe or via the west coast early implementation of mask wearing and social distancing in the densest populated city in the country resulted in "bending the curve" in what was a seemingly hopeless situation. At the same time other parts of the country were continuing with planned mask less parties and events (mardi gras 2020) resulting in catastrophic consequences only weeks later followed with the beginning of the political nonsense over mask wearing.

If only we had a leader at the time that had set the example and his approximately 60 million far-right followers had worn masks we'd have enjoyed ourselves last July instead of hopefully this July. Refute it all you will the writing is on the wall masks help reduce the spread, I didn't say eliminate but they are a benefit.

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     Well, you had a leader in place that got things to where they are today. Biden didn't take office until January 20th, remember?  Anything positive about this that you can point out was put into play by the Trump administration.  Grandpa Joe is just parading around, being propped up by Jill and his other handlers, taking advantage of a situation and taking credit for what had already been put into action. It just takes time for it to play out and over lapped into his administration. And he's making claims about numbers and such that don't stand up to criticism. The death and infection rates have been in free fall since the holidays, when everyone was predicting another  "surge"  that never happened.  There hasn't been enough vaccine in circulation long enough to have that kind of effect. And on the effectiveness of masks, Faucci and the CDC want you to wear two or three now!! Grandpa Joe is wearing two now when he is on camera. If they were that damned effective, why isn't one enough???? For the whole past year it's been one contradiction after another. There are just as many PHD's out there that can contradict the "science" presented by Faucci and the CDC as there are that push it. Countless examples of horse and pony shows put on by the MSM to push the fear mongering agenda. I'm sorry that people died, but you know what, people die every minute of every day. Even if you believe the number of deaths, a VERY high percentage of those ha underlying health issues that put them at risk of any kind of infection. Even as the number of infections and deaths are dropping like they fell off a cliff, the MSM is still pushing the fear mongering and their agenda to try and hold the course. I have real reservations about the death total, when it has been proven from the beginning that the numbers have been padded and exaggerated. If you stepped off a curb and got hit by a truck and were infected, you were listed as a Covid fatality!  And no one in authority has the conscience to correct that because it doesn't fit the narrative. The MSM won't report on anything like that.  And as far as the vaccines go, how safe are they, and how skilled are the people applying it?? The first one rushed to the market is so fragile it has to be kept at -90F degrees !! Lots of stories out there about doses being wasted, ruined because of the refrigeration issue, and then you add the human element into administering it. They have been crying the blues about the shortages of medical staffs during this whole affair, and if that is true and they are still needed, who is administering them? The janitors?? How well are these people trained? Are the bad reactions and even deaths that have been re[ported due to human error and incompetence's ? We are talking big numbers here in a really short amount of time and plenty of opportunity for people to screw up. And one thing that you can count on people for , is that they are very capable of screwing the pooch!

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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #201 on: March 12, 2021, 08:04:35 PM »
For the whole past year it's been one contradiction after another. There are just as many PHD's out there that can contradict the "science" presented by Faucci and the CDC as there are that push it. Countless examples of horse and pony shows put on by the MSM to push the fear mongering agenda. I'm sorry that people died, but you know what, people die every minute of every day. Even if you believe the number of deaths, a VERY high percentage of those ha underlying health issues that put them at risk of any kind of infection. Even as the number of infections and deaths are dropping like they fell off a cliff, the MSM is still pushing the fear mongering and their agenda to try and hold the course.

    The basic problem is that we are experiencing a sickening and shameful mix of "safety culture", "cancel culture", and plain old fear. The left and the "Safety culture" (which are mostly the same people) have been running from one mode of apocalyptic doom after another for many decades how - overpopulation/starvation, ice age, global warming, "facism" (which means anyone or anything they want to bad-mouth). They finally got one that was sort-of legitimate, this is a real epidemic with real danger for some, it's not the end as they had long prophesied, but certainly not just made up from whole cloth like all the others.

  Wuhan or any other infection diseases don't scare me - it's that people are not only *willing* to live their lives in abject terror, they *wallow* in the disaster, and even worse, instead of questioning various little Hitler's made-up-on-the-spot mandates and "science", they are ACTIVELY SEEKING OUT THE GOVERNMENT TO GIVE THEM ORDERS so that they can feel "safe". Even when *they know for certain that the same people have intentionally and repeatedly lied to them*, which we know for certain because the people lying *have admitted it*, and are even proud of it!

   That - supposedly grown adults in the USA are living in fear to the point that they effectively demand that the government order them around just to feel better - is a *far* more dangerous situation than a virus. Even that filthy b*stard FDR knew that was the biggest threat.

     Brett

p.s. by the way, teh backlash is already starting in earnest. The prime movers on draconian illegal lockdowns, and former darlings of the left - Cuomo and Newsom - are well on their way to getting ousted. Newsom is going to undergo a recall election, although I doubt that will end up passing (although Gray Davis was pretty certain he was safe, too, this far out...) and the butcher Cuomo is effectively gone already - although the reasoning behind that is, again, almost literally insane. Killing tens of thousand of old people, he probably would have survived, but play grab-ass with the secretary - that's apparently that is too far. It's sleazy and abusive, but - maybe 10- 15,000 people are *dead*.

    There's really no excuse, while there was a lot people didn't understand at the time, the one unequivocal thing we did know was that it could wipe out an old folks home in a week, because that was how this all started, up in Washington. Another example of reasoning of the left.
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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #202 on: March 12, 2021, 10:38:24 PM »
I think the Amish have it figured out.

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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #203 on: March 12, 2021, 11:58:16 PM »
LOL, I still got that yellow shot card too from 1975. How long do those shots last?


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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #204 on: March 13, 2021, 04:40:33 AM »
  Is it in any way surprising left wing organizations like factcheck.org declare that their initiatives work?  You treat factcheck.org like it is some scientific orgnization - it was created to ensure that the left could define "fact" how they chose. And make people who know nothing about it sound like they know what they are talking about, in their endearingly sanctimious/self-righteous way.

      NO studies before about March 2020 found that wearing a randomly-chosen mask, and that alone, was effective in slowing or preventing the spread of a virus - any virus, Wuhan Flu is not consequentially different - and that was how even the sainted Fauci started out. He wasn't lying to help Trump. He wrote an article for JAMA indicating exactly that. Starting in March, a spew of "studies" said wearing masks as a great idea came out, when the left switched from "trying to suppress the spread is racist", to "Trump is killing you!!!!!!" He of course fell in line and changed, presto-chango, despite the fact that there were no studies due to lack of time and lack of any process controls in a few months.

   Cut to July-ish when there HAD been enough time to do such a study. No clinical difference in the occurrence or severity wearing a mask. That was available for about a day, until the outcry from the left caused it to be taken down as "dangerous". I linked to it here. Dangerous to what?  People offering a worthless non-solution "solution" to curry political favor. Since, of course, everyone involved got the message, say the wrong thing and you are getting cancelled.

   This is an absolutely *textbook* and blatantly obvious case of manipulating "science" and political organizations deciding to define "fact" to their own ends and using the means available to give the ignorant. Compare to this hypothesis:

   March 2020- We have a new virus with no known significant immunity.  We are doing more-or-less nothing useful to retard the spread (and can't, in any practical sense), so the number of deaths will be .1-.15% of the exposed population - the assumed death rate per exposure in April 2020, minus a few who hunker down in nearly complete isolation. 330,000,000*.001 = 330,000, knock that down to 300,000 to cover outliers. 330,000,000*.0015 = 495,000. Figure a year for a vaccine has any significant effect, so predict 300,000 - 500,000 dead.

     Cut to March 2021 - actual dead 529,000 and rapidly diminishing with minimal effects of vaccination. That represents a 5% error in the original death rate per exposure
.16% VS .15%. In reality, figure that the exposure is not 100%, and the actual death rate per exposure is more like .17-.18% - which is in fact consistent with the other known statistics.   So, in the first few weeks it was possible to predict the effects within single-digit percentages.

    That is actual science, data science in this case. And in fact, it probably takes about that long to make any reasonable study. It presumes that masks do nothing at all, along with all the other silly "solutions" offered. Isolation *does* work, people in at-risk populations should (or at this point, should have, since it is past-tense) isolate to the maximum extent possible, people under 60 should probably just go on with their lives, get a bad cold for a week, and go on with life. And don't bother posting anecdotal "well, a 18 year old got it and DIED". That is a statistical anomaly, and the entire premise includes *random error*, that is, for all intents and purposes, luck (chaos...).

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Brett,

You disappointed me. I generally expect a much more sophisticated and cogent argument from you than most here, and I always look forward to your insights.

Attacking Mr. Dwyer's sources and then going on for several paragraphs with un-cited claims to the contrary strikes me a as a bit - shall we say - unpolished for a learned colleague.

I get it, it's the internet and anybody can say anything, but we need to be smart enough to back up what we say either with professional authority (which neither of us have
 wrt virology) or credible sources. Just throwing stuff out as "facts" is not exactly taking the highest road, would you agree?

Peace,

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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #205 on: March 13, 2021, 08:32:47 AM »
Chuck,

I’d say you are being too gracious the responses here fall under Philosophical Determinism where a person finds it difficult or impossible to change or accept beyond one’s thinking. In our case, the tactic is if you throw enough s_ _ t on the wall you can only hope eventually something will stick. It’s so degrading from someone we’d like to respect.
 
As for governor finger-pointing let’s not forget the last four years where our illustrious former president’s failure to act early on, promoting congested gatherings, and lying about receiving the vaccine himself resulted in “butchering” if you wish over half a million people. Not saying I love Cuomo but if you want to descend as you have into his “groping” (arm and waist touching), compare it to the great goomba saying he just grabs them by the P_ _ _  Y. Sounds a little like the pot calling the kettle black?

Staying safe here wearing a mask, distancing, and thanking the good lord we finally have someone to lead us out of this dilemma.

Just plain tired of beating a dead horse here, think I’ll move on to something more constructive. Do as you may, the weather’s improving so I can shoot those models before the grass circle firms enough to walk on.

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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #206 on: March 13, 2021, 09:09:29 AM »
An untested vaccine to prevent a disease that can be cured in a week is a bad bet.

TV ads are full of "Better Call Saul" to get into class action suits against harmful drugs that were tested far more this politically motived quickie shot.

I have chosen to be part of the Control Group that will still be around if the vaccine KILLS people.
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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #207 on: March 13, 2021, 09:27:08 AM »
Got my first on 03/02 and will get the second on 03/24. Thank you Meijers..
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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #208 on: March 13, 2021, 03:06:37 PM »
Chuck,

  let’s not forget the last four years where our illustrious former president’s failure to act early on, promoting congested gatherings, and lying about receiving the vaccine himself resulted in “butchering” if you wish over half a million people.
Steve
  Being you're finger pointing, Biden called Trump a "xenophobic"  over restricting air travel  on 1-31-2020 and when Trump banned travel from China into the USA  Pelosi held a rally in Chinatown down playing the threat of Covid-19 over Trump expanding the travel ban. So let's contrast that to Biden's open southern border allowing Covid-19 infected illegal immigrants to get on buses traveling freely into the interior of the US spreading Covid-19 all along the way. Now there is a true crisis on the border with over crowding, children alone sleeping in cages on cement floors and in shipping containers with bars on the windows, and of course no cameras are allowed. So Biden fails on both counts protecting American citizens (which he swore an oath to do) and the Immigrants by subjecting them to inhumane conditions at the border!
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« Reply #209 on: March 14, 2021, 06:02:43 AM »
  Being you're finger pointing, Biden called Trump a "xenophobic"  over restricting air travel  on 1-31-2020 and when Trump banned travel from China into the USA  Pelosi held a rally in Chinatown down playing the threat of Covid-19 over Trump expanding the travel ban. So let's contrast that to Biden's open southern border allowing Covid-19 infected illegal immigrants to get on buses traveling freely into the interior of the US spreading Covid-19 all along the way. Now there is a true crisis on the border with over crowding, children alone sleeping in cages on cement floors and in shipping containers with bars on the windows, and of course no cameras are allowed. So Biden fails on both counts protecting American citizens (which he swore an oath to do) and the Immigrants by subjecting them to inhumane conditions at the border!
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Al, I never pointed a finger, I challenged data, and what did what I say have to do with Biden? How in your somewhat interesting logical framework did you convert a debate over the merits of Covid 19 vaccinations to an emotional exercise in Biden hating? Pardon me, but I'd really love to understand your thinking. 

While your diatribe was a fun ramble, it's based upon a factually inaccurate premise that the infection vector to the US was from China.  I'm confident that if you would expend the effort to look at the history of infections and look at CDC data that tracked the genetics of Covid 19, you'd understand that it wasn't China that was the source of our infections, it was Europe. The previous administration completely whiffed on that one which is a verifiable fact. Unless of course, you can back up your position with real data and not "talking points" to sway my own conclusions. I promise to start at curious and to keep an open mind.
 
I understand that people don't like to have their world view challenged.

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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #210 on: March 14, 2021, 02:49:30 PM »
Attacking Mr. Dwyer's sources and then going on for several paragraphs with un-cited claims to the contrary strikes me a as a bit - shall we say - unpolished for a learned colleague.

I get it, it's the internet and anybody can say anything, but we need to be smart enough to back up what we say either with professional authority (which neither of us have
 wrt virology) or credible sources. Just throwing stuff out as "facts" is not exactly taking the highest road, would you agree?

  I am not going to do your research for you, or your math. Here's my cite:

https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/masks/msg587551/#msg587551

   You predict an outcome, you get an accurate result in the test, QED.

But I am sure there are the hemmers and hawers so

And this one from shortly before:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

   Wherein:
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Face Masks

 Thumbnail of Meta-analysis of risk ratios for the effect of face mask use with or without enhanced hand hygiene on laboratory-confirmed influenza from 10 randomized controlled trials with >6,500 participants. A) Face mask use alone; B) face mask and hand hygiene; C) face mask with or without hand hygiene. Pooled estimates were not made if there was high heterogeneity (I2 >75%). Squares indicate risk ratio for each of the included studies, horizontal lines indicate 95% CIs, dashed vertical
Figure 2. Meta-analysis of risk ratios for the effect of face mask use with or without enhanced hand hygiene on laboratory-confirmed influenza from 10 randomized controlled trials with >6,500 participants. A) Face mask...
In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25) (Figure 2). One study evaluated the use of masks among pilgrims from Australia during the Hajj pilgrimage and reported no major difference in the risk for laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection in the control or mask group (33). Two studies in university settings assessed the effectiveness of face masks for primary protection by monitoring the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among student hall residents for 5 months (9,10). The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies (9,10). Study designs in the 7 household studies were slightly different: 1 study provided face masks and P2 respirators for household contacts only (34), another study evaluated face mask use as a source control for infected persons only (35), and the remaining studies provided masks for the infected persons as well as their close contacts (11–13,15,17). None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group (11–13,15,17,34,35). Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group.

Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

 Also note: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7546829/

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Conclusion: Surgical mask wearing among individuals in non-healthcare settings is not significantly associated with reduction in ARI incidence in this meta-review.

   And those are just those I found in peer-reviewed articles in a brief search.

    So, it's no different from wearing a "Biden 2020" armband or carrying a rabbit's foot.

   Fauci lying about masks is well-documented, but here he is lying about herd immunity (New York Times interview):

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"In the pandemic’s early days, Dr. Fauci tended to cite the same 60 to 70 percent estimate that most experts did. About a month ago, he began saying '70, 75 percent' in television interviews. And last week, in an interview with CNBC News, he said '75, 80, 85 percent' and '75 to 80-plus percent,'" the Times reported.

"In a telephone interview the next day, Dr. Fauci acknowledged that he had slowly but deliberately been moving the goal posts. He is doing so, he said, partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks," the report continued.

    In case you misunderstood the implication of any of the above, Fauci, November 12:

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"I was talking with my U.K. colleagues who are saying the U.K. is similar to where we are now, because each of our countries have that independent spirit,” he said on stage. “I can understand that, but now is the time to do what you’re told.”

    It's not "independent spirit", like it is some sort of whimsical dream - independence is the justification for government's existence and codified in law. You can't really understand that, and still say "do what you are told" like Joseph Stalin.

   So, Chuck, good enough- statistical math, cites from peer-reviewed journals (the same ones that recently told you to wear TWO masks? Could that be because one doesn't work (in a general public setting)? )  and direct quotes from Fauci where he admits lying to manipulate people.

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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #211 on: March 14, 2021, 04:44:02 PM »
You can pick your site that fits your arguments. Even the CDC has many opinions on masking. This report on Covid from last Nov on the CDC shows  70% less infections from mask. They used the US military for one of there studies
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  Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2
Updated Nov. 20, 2020
  This report is very up to date on Covid.      ,one thing most reports do agtee on is social distancing .
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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #212 on: March 14, 2021, 05:05:37 PM »
There are lots of people that I social distance from and not because of some virus.

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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #213 on: March 15, 2021, 06:04:00 AM »
Hmmm what I see here is a similarity of saying all Halloween masks scare people. If one is going to argue mask effectiveness you have to be much more specific, we cannot correctly generalize as the prior lengthy text does by simply stating masks don't work unless of course the real underlying problem is the infringement on your rights issue, which of course is no doubt the driving force here. I suspect one would gain much better ground if he admitted where he stands personally and move on. Science will always win over.

Google "Still confused about masks? Here's the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus"

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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #214 on: March 15, 2021, 07:53:25 AM »
There are lots of people that I social distance from and not because of some virus.

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« Reply #215 on: March 15, 2021, 09:26:59 AM »
Siting in waiting room about to get my first shot.
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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #216 on: March 15, 2021, 11:19:00 AM »
Got a call this morning from the VA confirming my appointment this afternoon to get the 2nd dose of the Moderna vaccine.

I just don't get the people who feel it's best to simply get infected, ride out the infectious period then you're immune for life (perhaps).  We still don't fully understand the long term effects of this respiratory virus.  True, some people suffer severe symptoms while others have a very mild reaction.  Most will not die from the virus but there are observed long term damage done to internal organs, including the brain, heart and lungs.

I had a viral pneumonia infection as a young teen while overseas.  I hope to never be that sick again and I've been left with permanently scarred lungs although being a lifelong non-smoker.

I'm taking the shots.  No question and anxious for the wife to also get hers soon.  Even after I am immunized, I will still wear the mask and practice precautions.

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« Reply #217 on: March 15, 2021, 06:28:42 PM »
Al, I never pointed a finger, I challenged data, and what did what I say have to do with Biden? How in your somewhat interesting logical framework did you convert a debate over the merits of Covid 19 vaccinations to an emotional exercise in Biden hating? Pardon me, but I'd really love to understand your thinking. 

While your diatribe was a fun ramble, it's based upon a factually inaccurate premise that the infection vector to the US was from China.  I'm confident that if you would expend the effort to look at the history of infections and look at CDC data that tracked the genetics of Covid 19, you'd understand that it wasn't China that was the source of our infections, it was Europe. The previous administration completely whiffed on that one which is a verifiable fact. Unless of course, you can back up your position with real data and not "talking points" to sway my own conclusions. I promise to start at curious and to keep an open mind.
 
I understand that people don't like to have their world view challenged.

Galileo spent his last days under house arrest for saying the earth revolved around the sun. "But it moves."

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       Chuck,    I wasn't responding to your post, read the quote I was responding to in my original response. I realize the way I cut and pasted the quote it picked up your name, however that was not my intent. I don't see how you view my response to Steve's post as Biden hating. I am simply comparing Trump's administration that stopped people with Covid coming in and Biden's administration that opened our southern border to hundreds of thousands of people, some with Covid, causing a crisis at out border that they've now had to call in FEMA, depleting the disaster relief funds.
                    As far as your theories about where Covid came from you might recall that the first cases in the US were in Washington State in January of 2020. They came directly from Wuhan, China, which prompted the first restrictions on travel helping the West Coast control the original outbreak, as most travelers from China to the US come through the West Coast. It was in March of 2020 that NYC became the epicenter for the virus. I don't really understand the point you're trying to make about the genome of the virus. Really are you saying that the virus originated in Europe and not in China, specifically from a BSL-4 lab in Wuhan?  Yes, they can track viral mutations by sequencing the genetic material but blaming Europe for the outbreak in the US is being disingenuous. Also not real sure about your comments regarding Galileo?
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« Reply #218 on: March 15, 2021, 07:47:39 PM »
       Chuck,    I wasn't responding to your post, read the quote I was responding to in my original response. I realize the way I cut and pasted the quote it picked up your name, however that was not my intent. I don't see how you view my response to Steve's post as Biden hating. I am simply comparing Trump's administration that stopped people with Covid coming in and Biden's administration that opened our southern border to hundreds of thousands of people, some with Covid, causing a crisis at out border that they've now had to call in FEMA, depleting the disaster relief funds.
                    As far as your theories about where Covid came from you might recall that the first cases in the US were in Washington State in January of 2020. They came directly from Wuhan, China, which prompted the first restrictions on travel helping the West Coast control the original outbreak, as most travelers from China to the US come through the West Coast. It was in March of 2020 that NYC became the epicenter for the virus. I don't really understand the point you're trying to make about the genome of the virus. Really are you saying that the virus originated in Europe and not in China, specifically from a BSL-4 lab in Wuhan?  Yes, they can track viral mutations by sequencing the genetic material but blaming Europe for the outbreak in the US is being disingenuous. Also not real sure about your comments regarding Galileo?
Al


     And early on in the program, when the first cases started popping up in the east, it was thought that the virus was coming from Europe, but you have to realize that it spread from China across the rest of Asia, the Middle East and then Europe before hopping onto to airliners for the US . Unrestricted travel by people that were infected is what made it spread like wild fire from east to west across Asia and the rest of Europe. Lots of people crammed into trains and busses.  A lot easier to spread that way than crossing an ocean.  That was one of the first things I remember hearing reported on the hole mess.
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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #219 on: March 15, 2021, 08:20:26 PM »
This thread is getting a bit old.
Get a shot, or don’t get a shot. After all this is a forum for model airplanes.
Just saying.

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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #220 on: March 15, 2021, 08:48:11 PM »
This thread is getting a bit old.
Get a shot, or don’t get a shot. After all this is a forum for model airplanes.
Just saying.

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What Larry said.

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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #221 on: March 16, 2021, 08:47:55 AM »
 Sad News, only 66 years old.
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« Reply #222 on: March 16, 2021, 05:38:18 PM »
Sad News, only 66 years old.
Al

According to his family, he DID NOT die from a reaction from the shot.  That was an internet rumor.  Any death that has occurred since February of 2020 was due to Corona Virus.  Just ask Fauci or the hospitals.  So damn sick and tired of this bullshit.

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« Reply #223 on: March 16, 2021, 06:22:32 PM »
According to his family, he DID NOT die from a reaction from the shot.  That was an internet rumor.  Any death that has occurred since February of 2020 was due to Corona Virus.  Just ask Fauci or the hospitals.  So damn sick and tired of this bullshit.
  It wasn’t  a rumor. Tommy Hearns asked for prayers to help his friend.
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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #224 on: March 16, 2021, 06:36:40 PM »
Got my first shot today over in Manassas VA.
They administered the Madona, or is that Moderna vaccine.
Had to wait the 15 minutes afterwards for any adverse reaction.
second one will be on the 13th of April.
Made me sleepy as heck about 2 hours afterwards.
Stayed home from work as well. (work 2nd shift)

Anyways, am glad to finally getting the vaccine.

And please, lets stay on topic.  OK?

Thanks

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« Reply #225 on: March 16, 2021, 07:12:43 PM »
  It wasn’t  a rumor. Tommy Hearns asked for prayers to help his friend.
Al
https://heavy.com/news/marvin-hagler-cause-of-death-controversy-tommy-hearns-blasts-covid-19-vaccine-claim/

OK Al  whatever you and Fauci say.


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« Reply #226 on: March 16, 2021, 07:47:40 PM »
me to young to healthy x smoker no
shots for me yet thank you joe
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« Reply #227 on: March 19, 2021, 10:49:42 AM »
https://rumble.com/ves43t-rand-paul-rips-fauci-over-masks.html

I have watched this about a gazillion times and still watching.  Rand Paul destroys Fauci.

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« Reply #228 on: March 20, 2021, 06:07:40 AM »
I got my second vaccination yesterday and was eager for it.  Now I won't have to be QUITE so concerned about customers coming in and expressing their 'freedom' all over me, my desk, my phone and in my face.  Science pulled yet another miracle out of the bag.

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Re: Did You Get Your Shot?
« Reply #229 on: March 20, 2021, 08:19:46 AM »
Mike,

R Paul expires his time after continuously interrupting Fauci's attempt to respond. Paul's argument sites a one sided limited scope report and attempts to steam roll the one of the worlds most prominent experts on virus. Paul is the showman here as evidenced with his refusal to wear a mask on the floor well before this report was originated. The next time you watch the video listen more closely to Fauci, there are new strains surfacing, the fact is we are still faced with unknowns. This is no place for partisan opposition.

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« Reply #230 on: March 20, 2021, 07:27:23 PM »
Mike,

R Paul expires his time after continuously interrupting Fauci's attempt to respond. Paul's argument sites a one sided limited scope report and attempts to steam roll the one of the worlds most prominent experts on virus. Paul is the showman here as evidenced with his refusal to wear a mask on the floor well before this report was originated. The next time you watch the video listen more closely to Fauci, there are new strains surfacing, the fact is we are still faced with unknowns. This is no place for partisan opposition.

Steve

Fauci is not an expert on anything except political grandstanding.  Rand Paul is a physician as well.  Steve I dont care if you want to wear 37 masks and live in your basement for the rest of your life, go for it.  Do all the virtue signaling you want.  I didnt drink the kool aid on this one and it amazes me how many people are so stupid about all of this.  I had the virus, I had both shots and I will not wear a mask again,  anywhere.  I just bought a new Lexus and the car salesman said I had to wear a mask inside the showroom.  I asked him if he wanted to sell me a car.  He said yes.  I didnt wear a mask and he sold me a car.  Fitzgerald was right, this thread is getting old.  Dont even respond Steve because I am done here.  As Mark Twain once said: "Don't argue with stupid people.  They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." 

Mike

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« Reply #231 on: March 20, 2021, 09:08:25 PM »
We now have locally several small businesses that have the mask sign on the door, but once in the mask goes off.  One place even dared the city official to put a sign on his doors.   Even his employees have no masks.  While in a store that still bows to the politicians I take my mask down to get my breath.  So far no one has said any thing as I do cover my mouth with it. S?P
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