Video report from 2014 NATS

[steven yampolsky]

Now that I have you attention, Russia just had it's NATS this past weekend. Here's the video report. Two things jump out at me

1) there are a lot more kids participating
2) the scenery is MUCH better.

[Scott Richlen]

Nice planes, nice flying.

Unfortunately, apparently the Russians also think that life can't be lived without a stupid annoying soundtrack.  (Sorry, but life without soundtracks is sooooo much better IMHO.)

But, thanks for the posting.  I enjoyed it once I muted it.

Scott

[ron young]

 i thought the background was just fine .wish i was there,
Thanks for sharing
Ron

[Bob Hunt]

I liked it too!  It's great to see some talented youngsters involved. I'll bet it could get turbulent in that stadium, however. Did anyone notice that everyone appears to be in very good physical shape (no, not just the girls... although they looked pretty good as well!). We could all take a lesson from that. Thin stunt is certainly cool...

Did everyone notice the characteristic of the models' turn rates? It seems that they use a bunch more elevator movement in relation to flap movement than most here do. I've recently upped the amount of elevator throw in my ships and have found a lot more turn performance. My ships also seem to want to fly at 45 degrees easier.

Thanks for posting this, Steve! - Bob Hunt

[RC Storick]

Did everyone notice the characteristic of the models' turn rates? It seems that they use a bunch more elevator movement in relation to flap movement than most here do.

They should look familiar they look to be Yatinko's or clones there of.

[steven yampolsky]

They should look familiar they look to be Yatinko's or clones there of.

Yeah and to them, all our models look like stretched Noblers too.

[RC Storick]

Yeah and to them, all our models look like stretched Noblers too.

Difference is more then one guy made them.

[steven yampolsky]

Difference is more then one guy made them.

So here we are, assuming that the rest of the world is a corrupt, anti BOM bunch of people. Makes it easy for one to feel superior, doesn't it?

Fact is, vast majority of pilots in Russia build their own models and a the majority of the top 20 pilots build their own engines. In the past 30 years of US NATS, 100% of the top 20 entries DID NOT BUILD THEIR ENGINES!

Compared to them you, Sparky, is NOT a builder of your models. By their definition of BOM, your models are not take-apart so that makes it half a model in their eyes. You did not build your own engine either which makes you an amateur in their eyes. How's that Mathew 7:1 goes?....

[Eric Viglione]

Ya, that's not entirely fair Robert, I see what appears to be only a few original Sharks, a few of the new Cap's, and a couple of the old Classic's, the rest seem to be of other origins... I would guess at least a half dozen or so of those are home builts. So it's not a total ARF fest Robert.

I don't think anyone resents them their methods, I for one, am happy to see stunt alive and well in other countries, and especially the new blood, youth's is something we are lacking in quantity here. They have their traditions, we have ours. Building our own engines is not one of ours (unless you are Randy, the late GMA or Dub Jett, etc). If E-Power takes over, I'm not sure how many will be "winding their own" for competition over seas, or building their own lipo packs, but more power to them (pardon the pun). I have a Raduga 7 new in box, with a very pretty special spinner for it, too pointy for current FAI rules I would imagine now, nice muffler, etc. I never put fuel in it, since I didn't have an airframe it would fit, and I wasn't going to build something for a motor I have been told the QC varies a lot... but I admire the thing and the work put into it. Consider it a collectors piece if nothing else.

And...yes, that's some nice scenery! Nobody blows me kisses from the sidelines at our Nat's, and if they did, Lisa might not let me go back! Ahahahahahahah!  

EricV

[Mike Keville]

VERY much enjoyed that video.  Also liked the soundtrack...and the 'scenery'.  Some very good flying, too.  Thanks for sending this one.  Almost makes me want to visit there.

[RC Storick]

In the past 30 years of US NATS, 100% of the top 20 entries DID NOT BUILD THEIR ENGINES!

Well I guess Randy don't count, Maybe Al Rabe or RO either. Building your own engine is not in the rules but I can guarantee if it was I would.

I also don't care what they do there anyway. Not my call.

[steven yampolsky]

Ya, that's not entirely fair Robert, I see what appears to be only a few original Sharks, a few of the new Cap's, and a couple of the old Classic's, the rest seem to be of other origins... I would guess at least a half dozen or so of those are home builts. So it's not a total ARF fest Robert.

On top of that, the "Shart" design and the "Classic" designs are hard to tell as well if they are kit built or not. Unlike our culture, theirs puts an emphasis on making the model look like "the original". I attribute it to the much larger influence of CL Scale on the stunt scene. Unlike the US, where Stunt is the top of the food chain in CL, in Russia, Scale builders are considered CL Gods. To make something that looks EXACTLY like a famous airplane/model is considered a sign of skill and respect. Mostly respect.

They have their traditions, we have ours.

I've always been taught: celebrate your traditions as much as you respect traditions of others.

Building our own engines is not one of ours (unless you are Randy, the late GMA or Dub).

In my rush to respond I did not think of our engine gurus. Mad props to Randy and Dub! Both top 5 competitors and the spoilers of the perfect 100% 

I have a Raduga 7 new in box, with a very pretty special spinner for it, too pointy for current FAI rules I would imagine now, nice muffler, etc.

Hey! I'll trade you Raduga 7 for a working KMD! Raduga is a quintessential example of the failure of communist way of state planning. It looks shiny but does not work at all. One of its accessories(the spinner) is worth more than the entire engine it's supposed to augment. The Raduga engine holds a sentimental value for me. Bring it to the NATS, we'll talk...

[Doug Moon]

Who won?

I didn't notice any electrics but then again we didn't see all the flights.  We do need to see more of the one walking by at 2:11.  That is a design that definitely needs some review.

[Eric Viglione]

Hey! I'll trade you Raduga 7 for a working KMD! Raduga is a quintessential example of the failure of communist way of state planning. It looks shiny but does not work at all. One of its accessories(the spinner) is worth more than the entire engine it's supposed to augment. The Raduga engine holds a sentimental value for me. Bring it to the NATS, we'll talk...

Did you ever find that 31mm lens?
EricV

[Derek Barry]

Did everyone notice the characteristic of the models' turn rates? It seems that they use a bunch more elevator movement in relation to flap movement than most here do. I've recently upped the amount of elevator throw in my ships and have found a lot more turn performance. My ships also seem to want to fly at 45 degrees easier.

The shark I have has what I call "air brakes" for elevators. I think it has a lot to do with the design of the Shark being all in line. I have a feeling that we use much less throw than we think. My take apart Dreadnought's belcrank will not go to full deflection because it hits the fuse sides (I could remove more material) and I was a little nervous about not having enough corner. After a few flights I realized that I had more than enough and that we actually deflect the controls very little when we fly 90% and 120% corners. The feel of the shark and planes like it is different from what I would call a standard stunt plane but it still works very well. What I would be worried about with adding a lot of throw to a standard design is that in high wind it may be harder to be consistent, and there may be a lot of over controlling. That's just my .02 and I don't use adjustable elevator horns so I guess I will never truly know...

Thanks for posting the video Steve. 

Derek

[afml]

Thanks for the post Steve!
Interesting to note the various handle positions.
"Tight Lines!"
Wes

[john e. holliday]

Thanks for the video.   You have to remember they have engineering or aeronautical schools for their young people.   Also, from what I have seen of pictures of the cities and country, they are not all physically equipped as the video shows.   Since the fall of the iron curtain I think things have changed a lot over there.

[Warren Wagner]

Nice planes, nice flying.

Unfortunately, apparently the Russians also think that life can't be lived without a stupid annoying soundtrack.  (Sorry, but life without soundtracks is sooooo much better IMHO.)

But, thanks for the posting.  I enjoyed it once I muted it.

Scott

Scott,

I agree with you on the sound track.   I like music, and I like to hear model airplane engines run, but NOT at the same time.

I like background music when I'm on the computer (especially when reading forums),  but then, it's not competing with any other sound.   My preference is "Jazz24.org" which is playing right now.  Great web site.

Cheers.

Warren Wagner

[John Stiles]

Nobody blows me kisses from the sidelines at our Nat's, and if they did,
EricV

Heck, Eric; that was me she was blowing kisses to...oh to be young again!  

I liked the video, music and all!

[Eric Viglione]

Hey! I'll trade you Raduga 7 for a working KMD! Raduga is a quintessential example of the failure of communist way of state planning. It looks shiny but does not work at all. One of its accessories(the spinner) is worth more than the entire engine it's supposed to augment. The Raduga engine holds a sentimental value for me. Bring it to the NATS, we'll talk...


Did you ever find that 31mm lens?
EricV

Steve - Mine even comes in an interesting blue box with jet's (migs?) streaking across it if I remember correctly... find me that lens yet?   

EricV

[Brian Gardner]

I had one of those Raduga 7's....I don't remember what I did with it??

[steven yampolsky]

find me that lens yet?   

Looked several times. It's gone

[Damian_Sheehy]

Steve,

Thanks for this video, I enjoyed watching it.

Re this:

<snip>. . . majority of pilots in Russia build their own models and a the majority of the top 20 pilots build their own engines.

I would like to highlight one important data point published in this table: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/07/29/country.comparisons.vacation/index.html

Then read the first paragraph after the Editors Note. 

[Zuriel Armstrong]

Proof positive.  Regardless of the country of origin, it's still about shapes and bottoms

[steven yampolsky]

Found a gallery of pictures from Russian Nats. It's in Russian but pictures are pictures. Stunt pictures start near the bottom of the first page and continues on page 2. Few things I noticed:

1) I only saw two Yatsenko models.
2) Russians are also flying elecrtrics. In fact, I think the only electric model there was also the best looking one! Look for a model called "Next-1222".
3) At the top of page 2, you'll see top 3 fliers. The guy in 3rd place must be no more than 20 years old!!

Page 1: http://www.f2rus.ru/2011-10-08-18-52-33/chr-2014-photo.html
Page 2: http://www.f2rus.ru/2011-10-08-18-52-33/chr-2014-photo-2.html