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Offline Jared Hays

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Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« on: April 08, 2020, 01:57:32 AM »
Well this one goes into the S.A.D. Society of Aircraft Demolishers category.  Last fall at the Huntersville NC contest I bought this plane from Sonny Williams maybe?  I was mainly after the motor that was in it, beings it's a very low run time RoJett 61 or 65 can't remember at the moment, anyhow.  The stab/elevator was broke as it had a car trunk lid smash it as I understand at one time but still looked like a decent enough airplane.  So I bought it and brought it home.  My dad showed interest in the plane it self so he decided to fix the stab/elevator and couple other minor issues and some misc paint repairs etc etc.  Finally had a decent day to take it out and give it a go.  Being a new plane to us and motor combo, we weren't really sure where it would want to be RPM wise so we sent it up a little rich.  Dad was flying it and albeit a little slow due to rich sitting it flew pretty nice.  About 2/3rds the way through the flight it flung off the header muffler.  No big deal, we could see that would need a better clamp once we got back home.  Sent it up again this time I'm at the controls.  Still a little rich on the setting,  But I could tell it was gonna be a pretty nice flying plane and about 2/3rds threw the flight it through the header muffler off again.  So we decided to call it enough for the day we'll get that fixed and try again.   So Today we took it out for another outing.  Sent it up this time I got it set just a little to lean,  Dad was at the controls and he did a few maneuvers but nothing crazy due to the lean setting and flew it out.  Then we let the motor cool down and flew a couple other planes.  Then decided to give it another go, sent it up again with dad at the controls this time had a perfect needle setting.  Dad starts doing the pattern. Gets to the square outside loops and Something caught my eye, it looked like the wing had anhedral... I holler out hey knock it off fly level let me look at it,, Wasn't sure if it was an optical illusion due to a new unfamiliar paint scheme or if there was a problem.  So he went level and did a few laps and everything looked fine.  I holler out okay sorry must have been my imagination... Then he goes into an inside loop and immediately I can tell Oh @#$% its not fine,  He made it just about 3/4 through the loop and the outboard wing decided it had enough and departed the airplane.  Of course the rest of the bird didn't continue on very well after that and impacted the terrain and broke apart upon impact.  Luckily the motor was not damaged other than a couple scuffs on a couple cooling fins on the head.  But the header muffler took the brunt of the impact and its toast and so is the carbon fiber prop of course.  So anyway I will be in need of a tuned pipe for this motor and a prop,  Anyone have any suggestions or should I just contact Randy Smith for that?  Anyone know the piston diameter of the RoJett 61 vs the 65 so I can figure out which motor I have?  Unfortunately here is whats left of today's mishap as well as some of the repair progress pics from after I bought it and my dad started fixing it up.  It appears the wing spars snapped and they were just a boxed in balsa design with another piece of balsa that slid into the boxes as for alignment, kinda like some ARF's I've seen.  But anyways we were sad to see its demise so soon.   Had trouble getting pics to post so added more in thread.

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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2020, 01:59:48 AM »
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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2020, 02:01:16 AM »
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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2020, 05:27:27 AM »
Sorry you lost the plane Jared.  Sometimes we try too hard to build them light.  As far as the engine goes Dub usually engraves the size on the side of a mounting lug.  In any event it wouldn't matter.  There isn't enough difference to be a difference.  The .65 sleeve is just a little thinner and there is not discernible power difference.  I'd call Randy for a pipe and header for it.  In most cases you'll want the 1 1/4" rise header.  Your harder quest MIGHT be suitable props.  Most ideally shoot for something three blade carbon around 12-12 1/2" diameter.  I don't care to load the engine with more diameter, though it will turn it.  Pitch won't matter since you are going to re-set that anyway.  Try to find a few. 
That was a nice looking airplane but........see you in Topeka..virus willing.

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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2020, 05:55:21 AM »
Maybe check the crank for run-out after the crash, then consult with Randy Smith regarding the pipe system.

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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2020, 08:08:00 AM »
Call or EMail Dub he will have parts for a RO Jett
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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2020, 10:40:39 AM »
Was a nice looking plane.  Not much fun when you lose a wing.. D>K
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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2020, 02:20:42 PM »
Man, that sucks. I have sympathy since I did the same a month ago. No at all fun.
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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2020, 06:09:11 PM »
Couple more pics after getting back home,  Wing looks definitely like an ARF but not sure which ARF wing it is.  The balsa alignment spars broke and then she folded.  Why that's not a stronger better designed piece I don't know pry cause its an ARF wing but oh well cant do anything about it now.  Thanks Dave you were right I pulled the motor out and engraved in it is a 61 on one side and 14 on the other.  It really it a nice piece of machining to hold in your hand and look at.  While having the motor out I threw it on a scale to compare it to an OS 40 VF that I originally planned on putting in another airplane but bought this RoJett in hopes to use it in place of the 40.  To my surprise they weight almost identical, the mounting holes and width are almost identical the only thing that will bite me is the cowl that is already done and painted will not be wide enough to clear the case of the RoJett so on that plane I might just make another cowl to fit the RoJett and have it set up to where I could run either motor.    Also put a pic of the Ted Fancher
designed Temptation plane I am pondering on putting the RoJett in, in place of the 40 VF.

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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2020, 06:17:11 PM »
Here is the Temptation I'm contemplating on putting the RoJett in

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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2020, 06:17:48 PM »
The plane sure looks real close to a Legacy.
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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2020, 06:56:16 PM »
Remember that the Jett motor uses 5-40 bolts.  Header won't stay on if you happened to use 4-40's.  Common problem.

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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2020, 08:04:06 PM »
Very fine motor you have.  It is one of the earliest ones like my .61s and one of my .76.  Later copies have a black anodized head.  You can't wear them out other than maybe some bearings every 4-5 years.  I send mine back to Dub for that and he re-hones the sleeve a little and she's like new.  I sense the ones with black heads are timed SLIGHTLY milder.  The silver head ones seem to have just a tiny bit more power though you could only tell flying them back to back in the same plane.  The .61, .67 and .76 are basically interchangeable in an airplane except for pipe length.  My newest two planes are very light (for me) at about 66 oz.  I will likely interchange the .61s and .76s in these to get some run time on the .61s.  They mostly sit idle on the shelf which isn't good for the bearings-have to keep them lubed.

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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2020, 08:21:22 PM »
The plane sure looks real close to a Legacy.

Legacy ARC gets my vote, tho I've never even seen an ARC one, AFAIK. The way they join the 2-pc. wing seems kinda flaky. I'd prefer to sheet the center section after joining the two halves. 

Wasn't Sonny the guy that typically used sheet aluminum LG struts screwed to plywood plates in the wing? His idea was that the screws would tear out in a hard landing, and be easy to fix. Problem I have seen (don't ask where!) is that the LG can do a fine job of destroying the stabilizer as they pass by each other. I was wondering if that could account for the stabilizer damage, but maybe it's the standard wire torsion bar setup?

Oh, three more things..1) those RO-Jetts have a replaceable prop stud like the K&B .40's, so if it's bent, it might be as easy as screwing out the stud and screwing in a new one. I bought some extra-long studs from Mecoa/K&B so I could try double props like Mr. Williams has done. #2 is that the .65 cylinder liners were too thin and lose compression pretty quickly as the liner stretches...Dubby would convert them to .61's to solve that. I'd wonder if the .76 can be converted to a .67, out of curiosity? Anybody? Yes, I have a .76. #3, I think Brian Eather is still willing to make props, but refusing to hand finish them. I like his 12-ish x 4-ish UC 3-blade for my PA .51 and AAC VF .46; 12" for the .51 and 11.5" for the .46. I pitch up the tips about +1/4" over the last inch of blade.  D>K Steve
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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2020, 09:02:13 PM »

 Not that it matters, but it looks to me like the "Patriot" is actually an ARF Legacy with a reshaped fin/rudder.
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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2020, 11:26:48 PM »
Not that it matters, but it looks to me like the "Patriot" is actually an ARF Legacy with a reshaped fin/rudder.

The more I look at it the more I agree with this lol

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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2020, 06:53:50 PM »
Jared did the wing joint have fiberglas around it.
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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2020, 09:30:06 PM »
Jared did the wing joint have fiberglas around it.

No it did not and didn't appear to have much glue at the joint either.

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Re: Damn, had a catastrophic wing failure
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2020, 09:52:29 PM »
No it did not and didn't appear to have much glue at the joint either.

 Both ARF giveaways. It could also be that China is now rationing adhesive usage in U.S. bound product.  :##
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