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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: andreas johansson on August 30, 2011, 02:44:26 AM
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Hi guys
Ok, I have bought stuff on the internet many many times, several times per month over the last 10 years or so. Never had a problem, until now. Why am I writing this here you may ask? Well, normally I use paypal, but lately I have purchased some parts from a C/L supplier where I had to enter my Credit Card details and its probably from there my Credit Card details have leaked somehow.
How much have I lost? well not much at all, under $1. Someone have tried to use my CC details on a service called Napster, and that small amount was enough for VISA to "lock" my card. After the card was locked they have tried several times to use it, naturally without success.
I will be very cautious (sp?) in the future.
Regards
Andreas
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Welcome to the club. I have used my card at only three places (Tower Hobbies, Brodak, and McMaster Carr) and had the same thing happen two weeks ago. With in 6 hours someone tried to rack up almost a $1000 on my account.Replaced my card and now today I see a new charge from the bank for $15 I guess to stop the card.I really hope this thief is found because I want to continue ordering from these companies.
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Hi Scott!
Ah, I see we have two companies in common, I just thought of Brodak, but I have ordered from Tower about a month ago, so they can be the source of the leak too.
From now on it will be PayPal only. one can pay with PayPal at Tower Hobbies. Brodak is, however, Credit Card Only.
What are the punishments for this type of crimes in the US?
Andreas
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For me it is pay-pal or the credit card over the phone as I never use the card over the net. I never had a problem as of yet.
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I use a card for my business and toy purposes....Sunday it was refused for a gas purchase....I didn't think much of it because we were enjoying the hurricane....trying the same thing yesterday, it was declined again...
I called Capital One and the nice woman there went over my charges......several for $.20, one for $4.95, and then one for $311.22 and another to HP computer stores for $1120.00. None were actually charged .... speculation is that whomever was using the number was trying to determine the limit of the card......
Capital One is sending a new card.....I checked my other cards and no funny stuff...
Have fun!
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My credit card company called me on Thursday. They noticed strange activity on my card. There was a $1 to Google and a charge for $100 to some business in Munich. They declined the charges until verification by me which was no. It looks like the $1 charge was an attempt to see if the card was valid. My recent purchases were from tool retailers and I am wondering where the leak was from.
Willie
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Rich and Willie: Have anyone of you bought anything from Brodak or Tower Hobbies say within the last month or so using your Credit Card? Have this happened to you before?
Best regards
Andreas
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I have made purchases at all 3 componies that I mentioned with in 2 months, the bank says that the thief probably waits a few weeks and then starts to Run amuck. My first fraud charge to my card was a skype connection to Luxembourg then another skype to Europe, then to Ally Bobaas Technologies for $930.00. I wonder if contacting Brodak or Tower Hobbies about this would do any good or are you just going to make someone made for insinuating they might have a thief working for them?
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Seriously doubt it's a local either at Tower or Brodak, why would someone raised in PA want to call Europe. More than likely it's a key logger either on your computer or on a server.
Only time this happened to me was right after I ate in a Chinese restaurant, someone bought a $300.00 calling card and used it all to call China, I no longer hand my card to the waiter/waitress in restaurants if I can help it.
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What is a key logger?
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I use one card with a small max just for internet purchases.--LOUIE D>K H^^
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What is a key logger?
It's a type of virus sometimes called spyware that records the keys you type and emails the info to home base without you knowing it. Usually picked up from porn or game sites but sometimes can be picked up by clicking on a rogue site from a search engine. Very important to keep your anti virus and anti spyware software updated.
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PayPal is my solution. That and and using a trusted vendor, i.e. Amazon..
A couple of years ago AMEX called me to inquire about purchases made at a pharmacy in Argentina (small amount) and they had refused payment. They said they had it all in control, but I asked them to issue a new card anyway.
It seems to happen to most of us sooner or later. Several years back, I remember that by law the cardholder's liability was limited to $50 - nowadays I think the card companies monitor more closely..
Until we all get the Mark of the Beast imprinted in our forehead or right palm, it will likely continue.. ;->
L.
"I got my mind right, Boss.." -Lucas Jackson
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I had this happen after a purchase from Virginia Hobbysports. It was also quickly caught. It also happened to me after a purchase from Target.
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Happen to me a few years ago. The FBI got involved because it was traced back across state lines. I had three charges, a mom and pop store to see it if would work -100 bucks on food. Then off to Best Buy for a big screen TV and Radio Shack for some odds and ends. All on the stores were on the west coast. The FBI said that my card information was picked up at a local restaurant the sold to someone on the west coast.
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I've never really had a problem with my charge card, but did have some inconvenience when a stop was put on it, when I was trying to buy gas to leave Edmonton, Alberta for home. I had just used it to settle my hotel bill. Apparently, I should have called my Credit Union and informed the security dept. that I was going to drive to Eddie.
I think last time I went, I didn't call the CU, but now always use my card for virtually all purchases in Canada. The transaction fee is a small penalty, compared to having to mess around with exchanging US$ for Cdn$. However...do not ever use a USA gas card in Canada, just the bank card. Did that once, and it was a horrible mess to pay.
Had a co-worker who used his credit card at the drive through at Taco Time. He watched the girl run the card, and noticed that she also wrote down the number, name, and security code on the back. Hmmmm, he says, and called 911 on his cell, and would not leave the drive-up window. The cops eventually arrested the girl for stealing credit card info. Minimum wage people will be the biggest problem. Stay alert! :D Steve
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Just had it happen to me at the Detroit contest. Used it at the hotel and with in 4 hours just after the shift change they chargerd 18$ and when that worked off to the Apple store, and then they stopped it. The thing was I did not have any money on me or gas in the tank. Glad my brother was there and he had cash. Just got my new card today. From know on going to the bank and getting cash and then pay, the debit card was just to easy.
Steve
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Add me to the list.
Have done a lot of traveling this summer. Came through Wichita Falls last week and the RV park couldn't get the credit card to work. So they took down the numbers and mailed me a receipt a couple of days later.
Today, I had stopped in western Georgia for gas on the way to the F2C Team Selection Finals in Huntersville, and the pump would not take the card. Called Chase and found that two fraudulent charges had been made. The first one was $1 at the Apple Store and the second was $140 for internet purchase at a site I had never heard of and had never visited. Chase is real good about keeping an eye on the card. We canceled that account and they are mailing me a new card at the hotel here in North Carolina. A real PITA however since that card is used in a number of places for automatic payments.
My suspicion is the clerk at the RV park. No way to prove it.
Bill
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My new charge to my account today was for $14.88. When I called the bank we looked at my bank record and early in the day there was a $14.88 deposit then shortly later the $14.88 was withdrawed. I asked the bank if this was a mistake on there part and they said to watch the account to see if it rectofies itself. I feel that someone is fishing to see if the account is still active. So not to be deliberately pissing anyone off, how secure do you feel Brodak's and Tower Hobbies site's are now that I have change my bank security codes and received a new card. Please excuse my agitation,but as I explained in my earlier post this card has only been used at the three web site that I mentioned and has never been used anywhere else in the free world.
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Bob Reeves
(Only time this happened to me was right after I ate in a Chinese restaurant, someone bought a $300.00 calling card and used it all to call China, I no longer hand my card to the waiter/waitress in restaurants if I can help it.)
Any time a restaurant employee (or anyone else) wants to carry my card off to process, l carry the card to their terminal and take it right back. So what if it makes them mad.
There are several credit card companies, Bank of America in particular, that provide a shopsafe number for a one time use. It is charged to your account but the number is random and can only be used once. I use it all the time on line and bu phone.
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My American Express card was compromised last week , this week it was my Master card. Both cards have been replaced , thought it might have been an electronic card reader . But now reading this I wonder , have ordered from Brodak using both cards .
Bill
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I haven't purchased anything from Brodak's or Tower in a few months. My last purchase was made over the phone for a tool purchase and that could have been where they got me but I can't prove it. I know personally that most legit companies do not even want to store credit card numbers on their systems. They pay a vendor to do it. It's too much risk.
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My new charge to my account today was for $14.88. When I called the bank we looked at my bank record and early in the day there was a $14.88 deposit then shortly later the $14.88 was withdrawed. I asked the bank if this was a mistake on there part and they said to watch the account to see if it rectofies itself. I feel that someone is fishing to see if the account is still active. So not to be deliberately pissing anyone off, how secure do you feel Brodak's and Tower Hobbies site's are now that I have change my bank security codes and received a new card. Please excuse my agitation,but as I explained in my earlier post this card has only been used at the three web site that I mentioned and has never been used anywhere else in the free world.
If I read your earlier post properly, you said you replaced the card after you made the purchases at Tower and Brodak but are still seeing bogus charges? If this is the case you need to look elsewhere and figure out how your account info is getting out. The thieves are getting smarter...
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Yet another . . . and I've used my card at both on-line retailers.
My card was locked last w/e.
I phoned them right away and had the spurious charges scrubbed from my a/c before they posted.
I've already gotten new cards in the mail. . .
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My new charge to my account today was for $14.88. When I called the bank we looked at my bank record and early in the day there was a $14.88 deposit then shortly later the $14.88 was withdrawed. I asked the bank if this was a mistake on there part and they said to watch the account to see if it rectofies itself. I feel that someone is fishing to see if the account is still active. So not to be deliberately pissing anyone off, how secure do you feel Brodak's and Tower Hobbies site's are now that I have change my bank security codes and received a new card. Please excuse my agitation,but as I explained in my earlier post this card has only been used at the three web site that I mentioned and has never been used anywhere else in the free world.
If you are paying any bills on line or have any direct deposit services, even SSI. Many times to validate your bank account and direct pay or deposit services the company, agency or organization will make a deposit and the an immediate withdrawl. The amount is usually trivial anywhwere for $1 to $20. The $14.88 is a bit weird but not that unusual. I would look at any auto pay or direct deposit services you may have associated with your bank account, not your credit card. The bank statement should say who did the transaction.
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Do not go anywhere near Replica RC online store. They are just another name for a online store that has gone away.
Ed
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Brodaks payment processing is offline. If you order you are asked to call them to leave CC details. Maybe they had some problem after all?
Andreas
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Just got back from the bank, the bogus charge was someone still trying to run my old card.Also told me that they tried to purchase items several other times but the bank has rejected these charges because the card has been cancelled.
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My bank picked up a bogus .99 cent charge on my CC a few weeks ago. We cancelled the card.
I just swapped emails with a flying mate and he reported exactly the same thing.
We're both in Australia and have had recent CC transactions with Brodak USA and no others.
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Someone should contact John Brodak and make him aware that his company appears to be a common thread. I am sure he will get right on it and check from his end.
I have made quite a few purchases from Brodak using my CC without incident, but it has been a few months since.
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Someone should contact John Brodak and make him aware that his company appears to be a common thread. I am sure he will get right on it and check from his end.
I have made quite a few purchases from Brodak using my CC without incident, but it has been a few months since.
I think Brodak already is aware of the problem as their payment system still is offline.
Andreas
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If memory serves me the Brodak site was hacked into
a few weeks back, might have something to do with the
fiasco.
BD
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Thanks for the information Bill. Hopefully Brodak will use a better payment processing system when they get it up and running again and maybe include more payment options like Paypal.
Andreas
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I had my Discover Card hacked two weeks ago, no Brodak or Tower was JC Penney and Lowes. Discover NEVER makes you pay for fraudulant charges. They notified me ASAP when a 1.00 charge and several other suspicious charges showed. New card and all bogus charges eliminated. OBTW one of the charges was NAPSTER also.
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yet another.I had a call from AMEX last week ,followed by my VISA 2 days later , both with the same scenario [2 x small charges followed by on big one ] Linked my visa to a PAY_Pal a/c and made on line purchases . I now have 2 new cards and am in the process of having my main computer wiped clean.Also recently used both cards at BRODAK and a few other suppliers although the bank was happy that i had only purchased from secure sites,from now on i will stick with pay pal and use a visa debit for on-line purchases
good luck to you all
Al
downunder
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It happened to me. Recently I placed orders to Tower Hobbies and Brodak. The last one, to Brodak, was on 08/29/2011. On 08/31 and 09/01 the hackers tried to pay with my card, US$ 1.00 to Napster, Google and Yahoo. After this, bigger amounts to Box Fresh and Easy Jet, in UK, much bigger amounts in three other places, that the bank didn’t tell me where. After contacting me, the bank blocked this card and told that they will refund me of eventual financial losses. What I hope so.
In the last two months I did buy from other internet stores, that I am accustomed to buy. I am accustomed to make shop via internet since 1997 and never had a problem of this kind. I buy from Tower Hobbies, via internet, since more than ten years and from Brodak from more than three years and trust in those people. Considering the reports in this forum, I think that it would be much better and secure for them and for us if Brodak, as already done by Tower and other shops, started to work with PayPal.
Luiz
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What are the punishments for this type of crimes in the US?
Andreas
90 days in the electric chair.
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Holy smokes, I have been away from the forums. This same thing happened to me this past week. They linked my card to paypal. it was only a .50 charge, but they had all my numbers, and even the 3 digit thing on the back. The last time I used it for a purchase was from Tower and Brodaks.
It just seems like an awful coincidence. I closed everything down and changed everything, even the Bank account.
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There one see, one more to the list! The common source seems to be Brodak, especially since Brodaks payment system still is offline. Yes, I check daily as I need to order an fueltank and some other parts.
Andreas
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The only problem I have had was earlier this year I did the 3 payments at
Tower Hobby and the next month that the 2nd payment was due, my credit
card company notiified met that someone had purchased 3 online subscriptions
to Norton Anti-virus, closed the credit card down and was issued another but
the $300 purchase was held in limbo pending an investigation which was cleared
in less than 30 days, the IP address was somwewhere in North Carolina, was told
credit was issued and investigation turned over to FBI Internet Crime Division.
Calling Norton yeilded the IP address and e-mail address, turned it all over to the
local authorities and was told they couldn't do anything about it by one of their
detectives, go figure, I had done all of the leg work for them all they had to do was
forward it to the local authorities in the town of the registered IP address, and as far
as I can gather nothing from my end ever happened.
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I haven't seen anyone making a comment re my post #19, where I state that you can get a "shopsafe" number from many credit card companies, that can only be used on one transaction. I have used them for years with no problems.
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Guy! Yes, that is also a way. We have a similiar system here in Sweden called e-card, its a temporary card number and one charges the card with just the amount of $ needed to make the purchase.
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Add me to the list. A couple of small charges to Napster and then some big ones. Bank of America fraud caught it pretty quick. Their assessment was that the Chevron fillup in Centerville Tx on the way to Dallas this weekend was the culprit. They say that a device put into pump ( sithout the stations knowledge) will read the card info and since I had to put in a PIN it read that also.
So ..... never again will I use the debit card at a gas pump. Back to the company credit cards.
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There one see, one more to the list! The common source seems to be Brodak, especially since Brodaks payment system still is offline. Yes, I check daily as I need to order an fueltank and some other parts.
Andreas
I think they should have Pay-Pal as it seems safer.
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Transfers straight from "my bank" to "your bank" look like a pretty safe system to me. Don't know if that involves any hazzles in USA.
I can access my bank accounts in Finland online, using an account number (not the same as bank account number) and one-use passwords that the bank provides. Then I can transfer the money to a shop's account in Germany, France or UK. Might take a working day for them to process.
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I've had recent problems with a couple of credit cards and have not used any of the vendors mentioned. Someone in California swiped my Discover card while I was holding both of them in my hand in Texas. ???
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I think they should have Pay-Pal as it seems safer.
Yes, indeed they should! Its a fairly secure solution that most of us use. C'mon Brodak, implement Paypal!
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I just got hit on my VISA.. Bank called and asked if I had charged $1 for Napster.. new cards on the way.
I'm not sure where it came from, but the minimal Napster charge first is a prime clue. I suspect a good percentage of credit card fraud can be detected just looking for first time Napster $1 charges.
L.
"Drawing on my fine command of the English language, I said nothing." -Robert Benchley
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Maybe it's a first-time charge ANYwhere for $1 or so. In my case it was a $1 charge to the Apple Store, a place I have never visited and have no need to visit.
Common thread seems to be recent purchase at Brodak. I bought a new B-25 case in July where I used the compromised card.
Bill
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Yes, indeed they should! Its a fairly secure solution that most of us use. C'mon Brodak, implement Paypal!
Well I need to place an order and called them but did not place it because I wanted to use Pay-Pal for several reasons like I sell on Ebay and have $ sent to my P P and I could use those funds with out having my wife know what I'm spending . :o
I almost had them by sending them payment trough P P but then when they had to open an account they said they did not want to open one at this time. I think they are stuck in y 2000, maybe if a few people ask they just might do it.
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I too have been hit recently but have not ordered from Brodak or Tower for the past 2 or 3 months. Took a motorcycle trip where I used my CC for some gas and motels.
Unfortunately, until there are real consequences suffered by the thieves when caught, this will only get worse.
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Well I need to place an order and called them but did not place it because I wanted to use Pay-Pal for several reasons like I sell on Ebay and have $ sent to my P P and I could use those funds with out having my wife know what I'm spending . :o
Well just a thing like that justify the use of Paypal ;D
Too bad they didnt get a P P account :( I guess I have to turn to Stunt Supply for the fuel tank I need. :)
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PayPal charges a pretty good fee, more (depending on the deal you have with the bank) than a CC transaction. From a business standpoint this is right off the top of what little margin they have to work with.
It's pretty easy to get a PayPal debit card on your PayPal account that will work just like a CC. PayPal won't authorize any transaction that is over the funds you have in the account. I usualy spend money in my PayPal account pretty fast either using the debit card or on-line purchases so the most someone might get is a few bucks.
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It's pretty easy to get a PayPal debit card on your PayPal account that will work just like a CC. PayPal won't authorize any transaction that is over the funds you have in the account. I usualy spend money in my PayPal account pretty fast either using the debit card or on-line purchases so the most someone might get is a few bucks.
I'll look into that Bob thanks.
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You can go to Walmart and buy pre-paid credit cards that you determine how much money to load.
On the other hand, you can send a check if you don't mind the delay in the mail and waiting for the check to clear before your item is shipped.
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I don't want to give a false impression that I ordered from Brodak which could be the path of my credit card hacking. I haven't purchased from Brodak in many months, clearly it was not the involved.
L.
"Money can't buy friends, but you can get a better class of enemy." -Spike Milligan
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You can go to Walmart and buy pre-paid credit cards that you determine how much money to load.
On the other hand, you can send a check if you don't mind the delay in the mail and waiting for the check to clear before your item is shipped.
The prepaid "debit card" sounds like a great idea for models and other nefarious purchases... LL~
Wouldn't giving somebody your personal check also give potential bad guys another route into your funds? Otherwise, why do I send my extra deposit slips through the shredder? Just wondering...more information on the fubar banking system can only help. Cash is good, and I carry meds for folks that want to take mine, if you know what I mean. :X Steve
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Myself if I don't use PayPal I go get a Money Order. H^^
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I don't want to give a false impression that I ordered from Brodak which could be the path of my credit card hacking. I haven't purchased from Brodak in many months, clearly it was not the involved.
This doesn’t mean so much. The hackers could have gotten this data some time ago and be using them now, or could have bought a file from another hacker.
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I got hit for $683.50 this weekend by someone placing an order on QVC. QVC got suspicious because they misspelled my name on the order and were shipping it to California. Qvc inturn called me to ask if I placed the order and as a result cancelled the order. I also notified my CC company to kill that credit card & get a new card. The only common denominator was that I had used the card a while back to place an order with Brodak.
I only wish they would give you the name and address of the person placing the order. I would love to ship them a live gift from Texas that makes a rattling sound when disturbed.
I sure hope Brodak will soon make PayPal available as a payment option.
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Hmmm, I must have got some luck in this. Some of you got hit for rather much $, $683.50 is quite a sum :(
Agree with you Kelly, if you get the address send them a rattler from me too.... heck, send them one for each of us that got hit. VD~
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Just for kicks and giggles, I checked my latest AMEX statement on line and found 3 charges 4 days ago from AMAZON.COM totaling $853.87. I didn't authorize or make those charges. I checked my AMAZON account and brought up the purchases I have made in the last thirty days. Those purchases are not shown. I filed on-line disputes with AMEX, but will call in the morning.
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The same way they got the credit card #s, they can have gotten the passwords. This is a little more difficult, but if you use the same password in more than one site, stay awake and change them.
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Hey guys,
Had to get my credit card cancelled last night. A $1 transaction for Napster and a couple of others including two on Paypal! One for $500 and another for $400, both were to a website called TRADETANG.com
The transactions did not show up on my Paypal account, so they hadnt hacked my Paypal account. They had somehow used my credit card on another Paypal account.
I spoke to Paypal Fraud Dept. this morning and they said it is a problem when someone makes one of those instant payments. ie someone who hasnt got a paypal account, but types in a credit card number to use paypal buy something. I said to them "it is not good when I cant have two cards with the same number on Paypal yet some bloody fraudster can!" They said "yes it is a problem"
I last used Brodak in Sept 2010 with this credit card. I think it is a bit irresponsible of Brodak not to notify all their customers to warn them that their customer details have been compromised (if that is true) . If we had known for sure we could probably have had the cards cancelled sooner.
Regards
Warren
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Further to my problem, Amex removed the charges, issued me a new card and turned the case over to their fraud department. Amazon.com traced the 3 transactions to another of their customers who used my CC number. I am very interested in how the person got my number.
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Well I e mailed Brodak a link to this page along with my concerns and mentioned it would be Wise for them to get Pay-Pal.
Maybe some others could do the same.
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I don't know if Pay-Pal is any more secure than any other method of payment. I have heard and read stories about breaches in their system. True, the merchant never sees your bank account or credit card number, but those numbers are in Pay-Pal's system. All it takes is one crooked employee.
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Yesterday, my antivirus/internet security reported numerous instances of some one trying to access my pin number. It was coming from a dot com site that had a suspicious asian sounding name.
I use PayPal, but have not purchased anything from Brodak in the last few years. I'm thinking, at least in this case, that worse case, PayPal may be compromised, or internet hackers are stripping the info from our computers. The attempts stopped after I shut off Yahoo messenger, so I'm thinking that may be the portal they are using.
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Those damned messengers are the first things I shut off.. Excuse me for thinking them moronic; I'm sure they are useful and fun for someone.
PayPal may not be entirely secure, but it sure beats direct use of my credit card on internet transactions.
I won't be using images scanned off my cellphone to pay for lattes at the local Starbucks either. It's ironic, all my life I've worked as an electronic design engineer, creating technology and promoting its wonderfulness, and now I'm starting to despise anything I don't actually use.. I suppose it is time for one of those Cricket (??) phones for me with the large buttons, no screen (let alone a touch screen!), etc. but an extra loud volume control.
I'm just a little fatigued with all the CRAP that nefarious people have managed to attach to the internet to muck it up for the rest of us..
L.
"Some old men, continually praise the time of their youth. In fact, you would almost think that there were no fools in their days, but unluckily they themselves are left as an example." -Alexander Pope
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I just checked my Amex statement online and found two chatges totaalling about 500.00 to Amazon.com. I too, have ordered from Brodak in the last month. That seems to be a recurring theme.
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Being somewhat on the trailing edge of technology and somewhat distrustful of much of it i have only ordered an item online 3X in 15 years. I usually call both Tower and Brodaks to order anything and obviously have had no problems.
Of course Tower and Brodaks save your credit card numbers and it is entirely possible that they could be getting lifted by a disgruntled employee.
Incidentally other friends that order online from Tower complain that the arrival of merchandise can be slow because of the slow processing of your online order. I placed an order to Tower via phone on Friday and got an email today that it was shipped and should arrive between Tuesday and Thursday. Incidentally I referenced them to this site and thread and perhaps it might trigger some response.
dennis
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I just got an order from Tower and I am now waiting on a order from Brodak. I have not seen the charge from Brodak come up on my e-banking as of yet. I have never put my numbers up on the internet. I always call Tower or Brodak and speak with a purchasing agent. But several months ago my bank card was used down the other side of Austin, Texas at a Kohl's department store. I suspect that the numbers were stolen from a QT gas station in south Fort Worth. Now I always clear the pump after my purchase. Just as a precaution I will watch my bank web site for tracking debit transactions...........................................................Git R Built
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Guys, I'm a bit curious about how they (banks) handle CC frauds in the US vs. Sweden. Am I correct that in the US you can disapprove a transaction that already have happened and immediatly (sp?) get your money back? Here one have to prove that you dont have made the transaction and that take months before you get your money back...
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I don't know about banks or conventional credit cards, but American Express (a charge card) instantly reverses a charge that you dispute for any good reason; inferior product, never received, didn't make the purchase. Then, an investigation begins. If the charge was legitimate or your claim unfounded, they put the charge back on your account.
I have had an AMEX card for 16 years and I would not trade it for anything else. I know that some stores won't accept them because the charge to the merchant is a bit higher than other cards, but that has never been a problem for me. If they won't take my AMEX card, I either pay cash, if I can, or shop elsewhere.
I like to put all my purchases on one card for the month and then pay in one fell swoop. There is at least one supplier of first rate of modeling supplies and kits that I have not purchased from because they don't accept AMEX. That is probably a good thing because my drool list of their stuff would crack one large in less than the time it would take to place an order. I get weak in the knees just thinking about it! I know, I know, one of these days, I will pry open the dusty checkbook and do that thing with a pen that I really hate to do anymore. I only have one check a month to write and that is to the newspaper because they are behind the times. Everything else is paid on line.
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Using the phone is not that secure anymore either. If you could see the route a call from Kansas to Texas might take would boggle your mind. Also most of it is by air and very little hard wire anymore. At least when I left the company. H^^
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Well I e mailed Brodak a link to this page along with my concerns and mentioned it would be Wise for them to get Pay-Pal.
Maybe some others could do the same.
So this is the reply from Brodak and it should be good news,
(Quote) Hi Joe,
We are working on getting Pay-Pal right now.
Your Friend in CL,
John
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Since this has morphed into credit card fraud my experience may open some eyes. I ordered 2 2.4 recievers from Taiwan. the total was 35 dollars. I checked an hour later and my acount was down 2000 dollars. I had submitted my rental check the same day. My account was now zero. Actually the taiwanese names for the hits were two different web sites. None had anything to do with the site I ordered from. 6 weeks later the taiwanese and fbi announced 600 hackers operating from closets in the same industrial park had been arrested. They were hacking into legitiamte paypal and open accounts of legitimate companies.
1. My bank was able to cover my rental check even though my account was empty.
2. After a month of paper filing and investigations my bank was able to restore all my money.
3. The taiwanese company located less than a football field from the actual hackers was totally uninterested in any followup. They in fact delayed the resolution of my money.
4. This was a paypal account.
5. The company was hobby king.
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That is some scary stuff. We might have to resort back to real money!
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We might have to resort back to real money!
There's a Yogi-ism in there some where LL~ LL~
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I just went through all this a month ago. I had many charges,some over $200 dollars. My debit card is through a large credit union. The credit union returned the money to my account but they do NOT go after the person who stole the money. In one case I new the hobby shop that stole the money. IT IS NOT WORTH THERE TIME unless the amount is huge. They will not chase down a $500 charge. The crooks know this so they have no fear.
Ed
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About a month ago I phone in some orders with Brodaks and Towers.Yesturday the the credit card thieves tried to use my account to make three small purchases,all three less than $15 and Wells Fargo shut down my Visa card.This is like the others. I Think this the last order for both of them until this problem is take care of Craig Hemsley
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I guess this means we all go back to snail mail and money orders. I have been very lucky with on line purchases from both as well as many others. Of course when the cards are maxed out it doesn't help the theives much. LL~ LL~
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Well 2nd time in 3 months, this time US Bank and there were NO ON Line charges. NO Brodak, NO Tower, the Common retailer was the local Menards ??? I wonder if I talk to the manager if they'd even tell me if there was any problem there ??
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I wonder if the problem some of us have had after making phone orders is with the type of phone used. I never use my cell phone when placing an order (knock on wood). Land line only...
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Doesn't matter as either can be monitored. H^^
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Fellows, as I recall, a while back some huge bank got hacked and many many (thousands) of card holder's data were disclosed. So, these credit card frauds may well not be originating where we suspect.
It's a mess.
L.
"My father was stupid. He worked in a bank and they caught him stealing pens." -Rodney Dangerfield
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Good point Larry y1 y1
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My wife was paying our discover card this morning and we had two charges at amazon for over $300 each. Called discover and will not be charged. Funny thing is both charges were on the same day. That should have thrown up a red flag.
Well I guess we will all pay in the long run. HB~>
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A $1.00 charge to Napster just showed up on my debit card tonight. I called my bank right away and they cancelled the charge and the card. New card on the way. The bank rep noticed that I had used my card at Home Depot this morning. He said that they are seeing a lot of bogus charges made to accounts of folks who recently bought something at Home Depot.
Bill Hodges
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My wife was paying our discover card this morning and we had two charges at amazon for over $300 each. Called discover and will not be charged. Funny thing is both charges were on the same day. That should have thrown up a red flag.
Well I guess we will all pay in the long run. HB~>
I had a similar incident about 3 weeks ago. I found 3 charges on my AMEX card totaling $853.57 payable to Amazon .com, although they didn't show on my Amazon purchase history. I didn't make the charges. I contacted both AMEX and Amazon. AMEX closed my card, removed the charges and sent me a new card. Amazon did an investigation and confirmed that someone did use my card number to purchase on their account, which they closed.