Author Topic: Control System and Hardware preference (Read 3553 times)

Mike Griffin · « **on:** December 20, 2011, 03:16:55 PM »

How many of you are prone to use the standard hardware package that comes in a kit from a manufacturer such as RSM or Brodak (ie bellcrank, leadouts, pushrods, etc.) or would you rather provide your own or use something like a Tom Morris System?

Thanks for your input.

Thomas Tilley · « **Reply #1 on:** December 20, 2011, 03:24:17 PM »

Hi Mike I prefer using my own choice of internals. Even though the kit guys do a good job ,I like to build my own. Thanks Tom Tilley AMA 56944

Dennis Moritz · « **Reply #2 on:** December 20, 2011, 03:34:04 PM »

I use Tom Morris cranks, carbon/fiberglass rods with 4-40 inserts and ball links. On everything. Including sport profiles. The stuff in kits wobble. Also I prefer suspended cranks, with location points top and bottom. Stronger. More clearance for the rods and wires.

John Fitzgerald · « **Reply #3 on:** December 20, 2011, 04:05:08 PM »

I will use what is in the kit as much as possible, but will make some effort to make it better and / or stronger if I see the need. My planes usually don't last 100 flights due to inadvertent contact with the ground.

Avaiojet · « **Reply #4 on:** December 20, 2011, 04:43:47 PM »

Tom Morris,

Exclusively!

CB

Clint Ormosen · « **Reply #5 on:** December 20, 2011, 10:08:36 PM »

Quote from: Avaiojet on December 20, 2011, 04:43:47 PM

Tom Morris,

Exclusively!

CB

Oh, is that right? Funny, this doesn't look like Tom's stuff to me.

Larry Fernandez · « **Reply #6 on:** December 21, 2011, 03:34:02 AM »

I have been using Sig 4 inch bellcranks, drilled for slower controls and fabricating my own control horns.
With that said, Tom Morris' controls are top notch and I would not hesitate to use them. Its just that I'm a cheapskate and I can set the geometry up to my liking if I do it myself.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

Bill Little · « **Reply #7 on:** December 21, 2011, 10:44:22 AM »

Tom Morris or Dan Winship controls. Tom's stuff is available from CLC, also.

BIG Bear
AMM

Wynn Robins · « **Reply #8 on:** December 21, 2011, 12:07:47 PM »

Quote from: Clint Ormosen on December 20, 2011, 10:08:36 PM

Oh, is that right? Funny, this doesn't look like Tom's stuff to me.

LOVE IT!!!!

Gene O'Keefe · « **Reply #9 on:** December 21, 2011, 01:23:22 PM »

I've used the components in RSM kits but not Brodak.....otherwise it's only Tom Morris controls.

Bill Allen · « **Reply #10 on:** December 21, 2011, 01:44:36 PM »

mIKE: I will ONLY use Tom Morris control parts. NEVER failed me. Bill Allen

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #11 on:** December 21, 2011, 02:39:47 PM »

Quote from: Clint Ormosen on December 20, 2011, 10:08:36 PM

Oh, is that right? Funny, this doesn't look like Tom's stuff to me.

Kinda what I was wondering too,, and from what I read he has not completed any of his in progress control line models either,, ( apparently lots of RC stuff though) so I wonder perhaps CB can show us his other Tom Morris control installations,, Though this would show that he has done some research since he recognizes Tom Moriss control systems as a good thing?

Balsa Butcher · « **Reply #12 on:** December 21, 2011, 03:31:37 PM »

I use TM components on my competition stunters. Sport planes often get Sig or Brodak hardware. CF pushrods are used in all. I suppose the next question would be: How many are willing to spend and extra $50.00 (??) or so per kit to get complete TM controls ie: CF rods, titanium rod ends, slider elevator horn etc. I for one have enough top quality components set aside that I'd prefer the lower kit price and to supply my own hardware.

Suggestion for Mike: Continue offering kits w/out hardware. Make available two grades of hardware packages that can be bought separate from the kit. One would be the full Tom Morris setup, the other a lesser priced package using good quality useable components from Brodak and/or RSM. Just a thought.

Avaiojet · « **Reply #13 on:** December 21, 2011, 03:43:09 PM »

Mike,

It would have to be good HDWE for me to use what comes out of the box.

Started a Flite Streak, I don't think I'll use the HDWE.

CB

john e. holliday · « **Reply #14 on:** December 22, 2011, 08:31:21 AM »

Strange, I have several Flite Streak kits regular and combat that have no hardware. Maybe someone used the hardware before selling me the kits. I thank them as in the day it was Veco bellcranks and Dynamic control horns.

Darrel · « **Reply #15 on:** December 22, 2011, 10:24:23 AM »

I prefer to have hardware as part of the kit. So much easier to use what came with kit rather than trying to gather all the right components (mail order) and time. I would also hope that hardware included would be of decent quality. Just me.

John Stiles · « **Reply #16 on:** December 22, 2011, 10:40:50 AM »

Quote from: Clint Ormosen on December 20, 2011, 10:08:36 PM

Oh, is that right? Funny, this doesn't look like Tom's stuff to me.

The coyotes around here have learned, that even though they can't actually catch a deer, they chase it around until it runs out in front of a semi.....and they gleefully eat the gory mess that's left. P/S I use what comes in a kit if it's correct to the type plane. Sometimes I make my own crank.

Avaiojet · « **Reply #17 on:** December 22, 2011, 10:46:58 AM »

Quote from: Clint Ormosen on December 20, 2011, 10:08:36 PM

Oh, is that right? Funny, this doesn't look like Tom's stuff to me.

Gee Clint,

Smart observation. You know exactly where that photo came from and Tom's name was never mentioned.

Tell me, were you flying CL in the late 50's like I was?

You put a bit of time in just to "dig" at be a bit. Good going. More of that waisted band with some mention.

Glad to see I'm on your mind.

Peace iiIii

CB

Avaiojet · « **Reply #18 on:** December 22, 2011, 10:48:19 AM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on December 22, 2011, 08:31:21 AM

Strange, I have several Flite Streak kits regular and combat that have no hardware. Maybe someone used the hardware before selling me the kits. I thank them as in the day it was Veco bellcranks and Dynamic control horns.

The HDWE I have in the FS kit is actually useable.

CB

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #19 on:** December 22, 2011, 11:49:31 AM »

Quote from: Avaiojet on December 22, 2011, 10:48:19 AM

The HDWE I have in the FS kit is actually useable.

CB

what FS kit do you have, who is the manufacture?

and I find it interesting that despite your own self admission that you have been away so long, you speak as though you are an authority on hardware? How do you know what is good and what isnt,, I am curious

Mike Griffin · « **Reply #20 on:** December 22, 2011, 12:01:21 PM »

Quote from: Pete Cunha on December 21, 2011, 03:31:37 PM

I use TM components on my competition stunters. Sport planes often get Sig or Brodak hardware. CF pushrods are used in all. I suppose the next question would be: How many are willing to spend and extra $50.00 (??) or so per kit to get complete TM controls ie: CF rods, titanium rod ends, slider elevator horn etc. I for one have enough top quality components set aside that I'd prefer the lower kit price and to supply my own hardware.

Suggestion for Mike: Continue offering kits w/out hardware. Make available two grades of hardware packages that can be bought separate from the kit. One would be the full Tom Morris setup, the other a lesser priced package using good quality useable components from Brodak and/or RSM. Just a thought.

I have been thinking along those lines Pete...thanks to all for the input.

Mike

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #21 on:** December 22, 2011, 12:05:47 PM »

Mike,
as a personal note to you, and others on the thread, sorry for hijacking yoru intent, I will be a good boy from now on,, after all, Santa is watching,,

Mike Griffin · « **Reply #22 on:** December 22, 2011, 01:22:13 PM »

Quote from: Mark Scarborough on December 22, 2011, 12:05:47 PM

Mike,
as a personal note to you, and others on the thread, sorry for hijacking yoru intent, I will be a good boy from now on,, after all, Santa is watching,,

Not a problem Mark....Santa is going to be good to you I am sure...

Wynn Robins · « **Reply #23 on:** December 22, 2011, 01:32:18 PM »

pretty sure if you included Tom Morris hardware in your kits - you would get very few complaints.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #24 on:** December 22, 2011, 01:50:23 PM »

Wynn, do you know if Santa uses TM hardware,,, ?

Will Hinton · « **Reply #25 on:** December 22, 2011, 02:59:47 PM »

Sig cranks and build my own horns. I far prefer the 1/8" drill rod I use to the hardened stuff in most available manufacturers stuff.

Bill Little · « **Reply #26 on:** December 22, 2011, 03:11:49 PM »

Quote from: Will Hinton on December 22, 2011, 02:59:47 PM

Sig cranks and build my own horns. I far prefer the 1/8" drill rod I use to the hardened stuff in most available manufacturers stuff.

Brother Will,

I, for a time, built my own horns using Bobby Hunt's techniques. Silver BRAZING he brass to the wire, etc.. Worked a treat! But now, I am running out of time (as we all are! LOL!!) and like the fact that some one else is will to do it so that I can just "drop it in" with only some work on the ends of the pushrods to be done.

Depending on what I have at hand, and the model, I happily use Windy's BCs, Sig 4", 3", and both sizes of the Brodak BC., plus those from Bobby Hunt and Dan Winship. But I do use mainly only the CF pushrods, rod ends and ball links from TM/CLC.

BIG Bear
AMM

Am I getting lazy??

Bill

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