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Title: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Mike Griffin on April 20, 2012, 12:28:08 PM
The Gentleman who is flying the B29 in the video is Ed Mason. I would like to build this model but do not know where to get plans for it.  I would like to get in touch with Mr. Mason if anyone knows him and could tell me how to get in touch with him I would greatly appreciate it.  Or, if anyone knows where I can get the plans for a B29 CL I would appreciate that too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFXmnnakJIM

Thanks
Mike
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: decamara on April 20, 2012, 12:46:16 PM
That is COOL!

Reminds me of my grandfather Ralph Saldivar's B-29 when I was a kid



Doc
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Joejust on April 20, 2012, 01:52:18 PM
There is a 3 page report  in the latest issue of Control Line World showing his plane being built. Of particvular interest to many is the  throttle system being used.  It starts with a basic 3-line bellcrank from Brodak and runs to each engine  in an unique way.
Joe Just
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Mike Griffin on April 20, 2012, 02:06:54 PM
There is a 3 page report  in the latest issue of Control Line World showing his plane being built. Of particvular interest to many is the  throttle system being used.  It starts with a basic 3-line bellcrank from Brodak and runs to each engine  in an unique way.
Joe Just

Joe I do not take Control Line World anymore...is there contact information for Ed in the article?

Thanks

Mike
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Joejust on April 20, 2012, 05:11:38 PM
Mike, NO, but check your PM
Joe
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Howard Rush on April 20, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
You Tube shows a video of the same guy with a B-17.  Nice airplane, but the video showed no stunts.  I think a B-17 ought to do stunts.  The full-scale B-17 had a symmetrical airfoil. 
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Bill Little on April 20, 2012, 06:32:30 PM
That is neat.  Four engine scale planes are always neat.  Of course the B-17 that Howard alludes to is Super neat! ;D

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: wwwarbird on April 20, 2012, 06:56:16 PM
You Tube shows a video of the same guy with a B-17.  The full-scale B-17 had a symmetrical airfoil.  

 Yep, he's got a B-17 too which I think he's flown at Brodak. BTW Howard, the full scale B-17 actually has an asymmetrical airfoil.

 I met Ed and his wife at St. Louis in 2011, very nice people. I think the B-29 was built from scratch, not a kit.  

 Mike G.,

 Here is the Email that I have for them: diannaed@bellsouth.net

 And a few pics of the B-29 from St. Louis 2011...
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Bill Little on April 20, 2012, 06:59:47 PM
Hi Wayne,

Paul said in some other post that he knew where I could get plans for the B-17.  Now THAT would be NEAT! (I even have (4) OS .15FPs!)

Bill
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Howard Rush on April 20, 2012, 07:25:40 PM
BTW Howard, the full scale B-17 actually has an asymmetrical airfoil.

Nope, NACA 0018 at the root, 0010 at the tip: http://www.ae.illinois.edu/m-selig/ads/aircraft.html
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: wwwarbird on April 20, 2012, 07:41:02 PM
Nope, NACA 0018 at the root, 0010 at the tip: http://www.ae.illinois.edu/m-selig/ads/aircraft.html

 Hmm, I coulda swore...  

 I stand corrected. y1
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Mike Griffin on April 20, 2012, 09:23:47 PM
Thank you Wayne...I really appreciate it.
Mike
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Allan Perret on April 21, 2012, 08:22:29 AM
I have 4 Norvel .061's stached away for a B-17 project someday.  My Dad was a B-17 Bombadier, 33 combat missions.   I'm thinking something like a 75~80" wingspan, sound about right ?  Did not know it has symetrical airfoil, glad to hear that.   I would probably do it with elevator only, no flaps.  I would like to be able to do loops, wingovers, and inverted flight; but not interested in doing any of the square maneuvers. 
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Mike Griffin on April 21, 2012, 08:56:54 AM
I would actually like to have plans for both..the B29 and B17.   

Mike
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: john e. holliday on April 21, 2012, 10:36:08 AM
Should be able to get contacts thru the AMA. H^^
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Chris McMillin on April 21, 2012, 03:13:29 PM
With a bit of knowledge the guy could trim that model out so he could hold it with one hand, the pull is ridiculous.
Chris...
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Fred Cronenwett on April 21, 2012, 05:34:02 PM
Tony Nijhuis in the UK has a set of plans for a 72" B-17 that was designed for RC, but that can be easily converted to CL scale. What I find interesting is that on several of the multi-engine designs that Tony has he does not recommend glow engines. The cowls are so small on a  B-17 that any glow engine sticks out of the cowl.

His B-17 comes in at 6 lbs, 8 ounces and that is with electric. Put in electronic controls, and an adjustable leadout guide and you would be in business.

I have his plans for his Hawker Hurricane, they lack scale detail, but the outlines are correct enough to build a really nice scale model from for competition.

Fred C.

http://www.tonynijhuisdesigns.co.uk/boeingB17-72.htm
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Joseph Patterson on April 21, 2012, 06:04:31 PM
     Well thanks for the the facts about the B-17 airfoil Howard. Never knew dat. Now I gotta ask, why was the symmetrical airfoil used instead of some other type that may have offered better performance(less drag-more lift-speed etc.).
     Doug 
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: dave siegler on April 21, 2012, 06:43:01 PM
Look down there is a b17 set up for 4 cox engines.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1265873&highlight=b+17&page=6
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Bill Little on April 21, 2012, 07:37:30 PM
Look down there is a b17 set up for 4 cox engines.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1265873&highlight=b+17&page=6

Those are Hobby Helpers plans from Aug. 1963.  I still have the magazine!

It was the British NATS C/L winner.  Three pages of plans, one version has the option for throttles and retracts.  The other version omits these features.  45" WS, and (4) Cox Babe Bee on the original.

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: Howard Rush on April 21, 2012, 11:04:39 PM
Now I gotta ask, why was the symmetrical airfoil used instead of some other type that may have offered better performance(less drag-more lift-speed etc.).

I can't find anybody who knows.  We speculate that it might be OK for something that flies half of every flight empty. 
Title: Re: Control Line B29 Video
Post by: John Rist on April 22, 2012, 08:03:21 AM
Look down there is a b17 set up for 4 cox engines.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1265873&highlight=b+17&page=6

Wow wouldn't this be a great project for the new 1/2A at the nats.  3-line controll for retracts and flaps. Now that is cool.