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Connectors and lines; How to??
« on: January 13, 2011, 08:22:54 AM »
 :-[ Sorry if this is a dumb question but could someone explain or point me to some directions, with photo's hopefully, explaining exactly how to set up and connect the lines to the handle and plane? When I was a kid we just "tied em on" but now I'd like to learn how to properly attach my steel cable to the plane and handle using the clips etc. Thank you!!

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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2011, 08:35:53 AM »
If your lines are pre-made, then all you do is slide the line clip open and attach to the eyelets on the plane and lines. Same on the other end of the plane.

What type/size of plane, lines, and handle are you using?

If you order something like this for the size/weight of your plane, it comes with line clips.
http://www.brodak.com/shop_productdetail.php?ProductID=6019

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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2011, 08:44:43 AM »
Hi Paul,

The plane is a Ring Rat 250 with the standard Sig 1/2A handle and SS lines. I didn't realize those little clips just slide open!! So I would mount a brass ring at each end of my wire, then attach two little clips to the handle and then brass ring/wire to that clip. At the plane end same thing; clip to lead outs and brass ring thru clip, does that sound right?

I have this handle and clips, also the SS line and clips that come with it as well but only have four of the little brass rings.
http://www.stevensaero.com/Control-Line-Handle-for-1-2A-includes-dacron-lines-and-clips-SIGSH544-p-20267.html


Thank you for your help!!

John

PS-Edited to re-word.
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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2011, 08:58:20 AM »
Ok, I think I got it. My problem was I had no idea those little clips just slid open. HB~>  Looks like I'll need two more eyelets(that's the word I was looking for!) to attach to the leadouts on the plane though.
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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2011, 09:36:18 AM »
John,
You will want to wrap your lines so that the thimble, (eyelet) is secure. There is a link some where on how to do to do this. You might have even gotten instructions with your lines.

I will see if I can find a link. I would suggest that you look for someone in your area to help you out. Most of the control line people are always wanting to help us newbies out. H^^
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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2011, 10:16:52 AM »
John,
You will want to wrap your lines so that the thimble, (eyelet) is secure. There is a link some where on how to do to do this. You might have even gotten instructions with your lines.

I will see if I can find a link. I would suggest that you look for someone in your area to help you out. Most of the control line people are always wanting to help us newbies out. H^^
The AMA rule book shows various acceptable methods for making lines.  Where they say "solder or use epoxy" -- use epoxy.  I think it's in the control line general rules section.
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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2011, 10:37:20 AM »
The AMA rule book shows various acceptable methods for making lines.  Where they say "solder or use epoxy" -- use epoxy.  I think it's in the control line general rules section.

Everything I have read says to say away from solder. Crimping is acceptable, but I like to wrap with copper wire and a very light coat of epoxy, then cover with heat shrink tube to protect it. And I have seen some skip the epoxy and just use heat shrink.

John,
Do a search here on the boards and you will get a ton of info on how to wrap lines, leadouts, and even bell cranks.
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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2011, 10:56:55 AM »
I could be all wet, but aren't those sliding line clippies illegal now? At any rate the crossover clips are far safer...

Also...iI believe you only got two clippies with that handle because the dacron(?) line you got is designed to: A. attach to the airplane with one clip B. Run down to the handle C. enter the handle (at top or bottom) D. wrap itself around the little post so that it doesn't slide E. exit the handle at the opposite end that it entered F. travel back to the airplane where the second clippie  clips to the other lead-out.

I think...

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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2011, 03:32:15 PM »
Thank you for all the help/info. I did a search but couldn't find exactly what I was looking for because I didn't realize the clips actually opened. Now that I know that it makes much more sense. I have tons of heat shrink, even with adhesive inside, copper wire etc. Again, thanks for the tips and advice!

Now if it would only warm  up a little, can't wait to fly the little Ring Rat!!

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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2011, 04:46:49 PM »
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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2011, 06:17:06 PM »
or jsut get the Sullivan pre made lines to desired length. Clip and fly :)

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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2011, 06:28:05 PM »
Good point Jamie.

I like these.....
http://www.clcentral.com/products.asp?cat=59&pg=3
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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2011, 05:44:02 AM »
Well I'll be darned, that's a good price for those lines that are premade! Oh well, I'll get em next time. Thanks to everyone for the help/advice. We hope to have her done and ready to fly for this weekend-weather permiting. ;D

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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2011, 07:28:45 AM »
Hello,
     I occasionally fly with some old timers that still solder their line terminations. I said that wasn't a good idea, because of the stress raiser that is formed between line and termination. OK was the response what do others do? I glibly said that a lot of folk use epoxy instead of solder. The response was, well you still get a stress raiser at the epoxy / line joint. At that point, I shut up, not being able to find a suitable response!
  The folk concerned have been flying for many decades with no accidents due to line parting. They are just very careful and inspect the lines each flight, when they take a rag and wipe the lines down before picking up the handle.
  The moral of this is "inspect your lines frequently, whatever type of termination you use"!

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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2011, 11:28:28 AM »
I would trust the lines from Jim Snelson, but I'll never trust Sullivan pre-made lines. I know this because I was test flying a .15 sized trainer for the editor of FM on some 52' Sullivans. Got her fired up (a little fast for comfort reasons!) and took off. What a horrible flight...No line tension, kept want to attack me, should have been loop capable but no way! Then the ed says "y'know, those lines look a little long for a .15. Sure 'nuf, 63 feet!

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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2011, 04:50:46 PM »
I occasionally fly with some old timers that still solder their line terminations. I said that wasn't a good idea, because of the stress raiser that is formed between line and termination. OK was the response what do others do? I glibly said that a lot of folk use epoxy instead of solder. The response was, well you still get a stress raiser at the epoxy / line joint. At that point, I shut up, not being able to find a suitable response!
  The folk concerned have been flying for many decades with no accidents due to line parting. They are just very careful and inspect the lines each flight, when they take a rag and wipe the lines down before picking up the handle.
  The moral of this is "inspect your lines frequently, whatever type of termination you use"!
Indeed, I wouldn't recommend trying to solder stainless steel. You won't be able to clean all the flux 100% and the remaining traces it will eat their way through your cables.
But I want to point out that the only eyelet I ever broke was on a set of Sullivan lines that were given to me, they were made exactly this way (with epoxy): http://www.clcentral.com/images/Wrapping%20Lines.pdf  Broken just where the wrapping ended....
Since I'm flying with lines that have a tin coating (3 strand Laystrate, now Staystrate), soldering is quick and easy. Always use rosin core solder, NEVER liquid flux! And use a small iron ( 30 watts or so)
And of course: DON'T solder the line, just the eyelet. The flexibility gradually increases going away from the eyelet. The flexing (if at all) always occurs over a distance of 40mm. Just soldering indeed is very wrong and may have catastrophic results.
How it's made:
Start off with a single knot (~ 8mm dia), and spin the loose end round the circle two times.
Then lead the loose end back around the line (~40mm) and same, back to the eyelet.
Go round the eyelet once more, and back along the line for 20mm and back.
Go round the eyelet one last time and cut the remaining loose end at 15 mm. Pry this into the 20 mm piece, spun round the line.
Pinch the eyelet to an oval shape.
Take fine copper wire and wrap the bottom 1/3 of the eyelet and part  of the 20 mm braided piece along the line.
Just solder where the copper wire meets the eyelet. Solder will wick to the cable forming the eyelet, fixating it.
And that's all.
I'm using this method since 1969 and I haven't had a malfunction yet.
Inspect your eyelets et all, EVERY time you go out and fly.
These cables are the European alternative to solids I think, for when I pick up stainless multistrands they have that 'rubber band' feeling I don't like.
And they have a tendency to swing like a skipping rope and try to rock the plane ( OK, extra tip weight cures this for the greater part), something that is not as pronounced with the 3 strand lines. I'm flying .015, .018 stainless makes the described effects even stronger.
Here's what they look like:




 

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Re: Connectors and lines; How to??
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2011, 04:59:36 PM »
I would trust the lines from Jim Snelson, but I'll never trust Sullivan pre-made lines. I know this because I was test flying a .15 sized trainer for the editor of FM on some 52' Sullivans. Got her fired up (a little fast for comfort reasons!) and took off. What a horrible flight...No line tension, kept want to attack me, should have been loop capable but no way! Then the ed says "y'know, those lines look a little long for a .15. Sure 'nuf, 63 feet!
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  Precisely, don't trust the pre-made line terminations on Sullivan lines, either. I have seen a bunch of them that were not fully crimped and fell apart at the first opportunity.

   Brett

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