Author Topic: classic legal (Read 5503 times)

Jack Mulinix · « **on:** October 31, 2009, 10:45:42 PM »

Ok, new question. are there any kitted p-40's that are classic legal? thanks

Randy Powell · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2009, 10:47:22 PM »

There are several P-40s that are classic legal, but I don't know if any was ever kitted. I liked Bob English's the most.

Trostle · « **Reply #2 on:** November 01, 2009, 12:19:17 AM »

Quote from: Jack mulinix on October 31, 2009, 10:45:42 PM

Ok, new question. are there any kitted p-40's that are classic legal? thanks

If you asking for Profile kits that are Classic legal, suggest you look at what RSM and Brodak have listed as classic legal profile kits.

You might have a problem if you are looking for a semiscale P-40 that is available as a kit. There are several semiscale P-40 designs that have been published that are Classic legal. I do not know of any of these that are in a kit.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #3 on:** November 01, 2009, 07:10:29 AM »

If he had the cash or could find one of the old Berkely kits which was also known as the Black Hawk when it was published. Doesn't it also qualify as an old timer? Have fun, DOC Holliday

Trostle · « **Reply #4 on:** November 01, 2009, 07:20:12 AM »

Are you looking for a profile or are you looking for a semiscale airplanw?

Jack Mulinix · « **Reply #5 on:** November 01, 2009, 09:37:51 AM »

Well, actually thinking profile. Had a goldberg with a mccoy19 on it. Really liked that plane. Went through a bunch of MAN's yesterday but only had thru mid 1969. but could'nt find anything

Matt Colan · « **Reply #6 on:** November 01, 2009, 09:38:40 AM »

There is the P-40 black tiger that was kitted by Berkely, but I'm not sure if anybody kits it now.

Leester · « **Reply #7 on:** November 01, 2009, 12:07:33 PM »

I think Walter has that on his to do list.

Trostle · « **Reply #8 on:** November 01, 2009, 01:01:17 PM »

Quote from: Jack mulinix on November 01, 2009, 09:37:51 AM

Well, actually thinking profile. Had a goldberg with a mccoy19 on it. Really liked that plane. Went through a bunch of MAN's yesterday but only had thru mid 1969. but could'nt find anything

It is good to know that you are asking about classic legal profiles, not semiscale P-40's. There a few classic profiles that have been published and plans are usually available from various sources.

Bob Gialdini's "Rayette" is a good flying airplane. American Modeler, Feb 67

Charles Mackey's "Profile" would not disappoint. Flying Models, Sep 59

George Aldrich's "Foxy" flies surprising well. Model Airplane News, Nov 53

George Aldrich also had a profile Peacemaker that will be OK, much like a Flight Streak..
Aeromodeller, Feb 58

Paul Del Gatto had a semi-scale profile P-40 with OK numbers but a thin airfoil. Model Airplane News, Nov 62

Now, as for kits, Brodak and RSM list several profiles that are classic legal. Perhaps one of the better of these would be the Magician. It will perform as well as most of the other designs.

Good luck.

Keith

Jack Mulinix · « **Reply #9 on:** November 01, 2009, 04:18:31 PM »

Thanks for all the input. No, was thinking of the warhawk, with flaps,

Dan McEntee · « **Reply #10 on:** November 01, 2009, 04:47:20 PM »

Quote from: Jack mulinix on November 01, 2009, 04:18:31 PM

Thanks for all the input. No, was thinking of the warhawk, with flaps,

Is not the old Midwest Prifile Warbird Series P-40 Warhark classic legal? It's kind of small, and a thin wing but could be built light from scratch. I think Richard's Kits has a kit of that model, I bought one from someone off of the tuka Stunt classifieds.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

Tim Stagg · « **Reply #11 on:** November 01, 2009, 06:18:37 PM »

Jack,

I flew a Brodak magician this last year at Brodak in Advanced Classic and placed 3rd. Before I went to the contest I was concerned that I would not be competitive with the airplane but as it turns out, I performed better with the magician than my PA design. It is a great kit, pasts fit perfectly, it is light and has proven to be competitive. I fly mine with a converted RC thunder tiger 25. I would say that this is a little low on the power side, but it makes me smoother by having to finesse the maneuvers rather that bag them out. I would highly recommend the airplane, I love mine.

Balsa Butcher · « **Reply #12 on:** November 01, 2009, 08:22:33 PM »

Not 100% sure of this but I think only the first three midwest warbirds officially qualify as classic: P-63, ME-109 and P-51. The P-40 and Skyraider came later. Really no great loss that the Goldberg P-40 may not be eligible for classic as it is not that great a flier. It was OK for a sport plane but was compromised as a stunter since it was designed to be built for either R/C or U/C. Yup, I built one, should have built a Magician!

Jack Mulinix · « **Reply #13 on:** November 02, 2009, 08:00:56 PM »

Thanks guy's for the input. Checked out brodak and that that should work. We'll give the magician a shot.

Ward Van Duzer · « **Reply #14 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:26:05 AM »

Weren't the Midwest profiles made in two sizes? .15-.19 and .29-.35?

W.

Jim Kraft · « **Reply #15 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:43:21 AM »

I have been flying the Midwest version of the Magician for ten years. It is a great flying plane. I fly mine with McCoy 40's, and they are very easy to fly. I am just finishing up my 4th one.

Jack Mulinix · « **Reply #16 on:** November 03, 2009, 02:49:12 PM »

Does the magician have flaps or is that a custom thing. Thats a nice looking plane.

Jim Kraft · « **Reply #17 on:** November 03, 2009, 03:52:32 PM »

The Brodak Magician is the original as it was designed. The Midwest version was changed in severall respects. It is a little larger plane, and had the option of making the flaps movable, or fixed. I have built all of mine with movable flaps, and they fly great. Some build them with fixed flaps, and they also say they fly great. I have never flown one with fixed flaps, so I cannot say. I also build all of mine as per plan. Some change the wing offset, and also move the stabilizer back. I have watched the Brodak Magician fly, and it does a fine job without flaps.

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #18 on:** November 03, 2009, 10:17:19 PM »

The Midwest Magician with out flaps and with .35 stunt was one sweet flying airplane!
I had one as a Jr (40 years ago) and locals that flew it still talk about how good it was.
Wish I had it today.

Here are a couple of pics of Midwest P-40 built about 1975 and restored about a month ago.
With flaps and a O.S. .35s and 42 oz it flies decent. So far will do everything I have tried. The clover is next.
The nose should be shortened. I did lighten the nose during resto.

Ed Keller · « **Reply #19 on:** November 04, 2009, 08:59:06 AM »

Does anyone offer the Midwest style Magician (with flaps) as a kit? ED

Jim Kraft · « **Reply #20 on:** November 04, 2009, 05:13:05 PM »

No one that I know of is kitting the Midwest Magician. I have scratch built all of mine from plans I got from Stuka Stunt. I had an original Midwest kit, but I sold it. There are probably some still around, but it is a pretty easy plane to scratch build.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #21 on:** November 04, 2009, 05:18:36 PM »

I guess I will jump in here with my ramblings. I built the Brodak Magician and wanted it to be all Brodak. Power is the Brodak .25 which has more than enough power. The grandson now flies it as it flies so easy. It has gotten me some of my best scores for some reason, but, grandson says it is his now.

Now as far as the Midwest Migician, get a set of plans. Once you have the rib templates its not that hard to scratch build. As Jim Kraft says build it per plans if you can find hard stiff balsa for the stab/elevator. Some of the kits were rekitted after the stab folded on a tight corner. I 3/16 is all I went with. If I build another it will be my third one, but, I usually don't build the same design twice. Also add half ribs as that was done in the day to make the wing look better. It is one homely airplane that flies as well or better than the other profiles of the day.

Jack Mulinix · « **Reply #22 on:** November 04, 2009, 10:36:19 PM »

WELL, PULLED THE TRIGGER AND ORDERED FROM BRODAK. WHAT DO MEAN HOMELY, DOC, NOT WHAT I WANTED TO HERE. COME ON, SAY ITS NOT SO

Guy B Jr · « **Reply #23 on:** November 05, 2009, 11:54:40 PM »

If you want a kit like the Midwest Magician, you might try to pick up one by Golden State Models (GSM) or one by Walter Umland. Both are the 48" wing span variety.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #24 on:** November 07, 2009, 08:43:52 AM »

The one I still have from Walter is the original version that has Jim's picture and autograph. I might let it go for $500.00 plus shipping.

Jim Kraft · « **Reply #25 on:** November 09, 2009, 11:16:35 AM »

You bet Ty; I fly mine in P-40, Classic, and Advanced. One plane for three events is kind of neat. That way I have room for old time stuff which is my main event anyway.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #26 on:** November 10, 2009, 10:58:00 AM »

Brodak still list the Original Magician that I think flies as well or better than the Midwest Magician.