CL World may become history

[Robert Zambelli]

Subscriptions are down considerably.

This may spell the end for CLW.

Bob Z.

[Paul Taylor]

What?
I just renewed for next year!

Come on guys. Jump on the band wagon. Everyone complains about MA, here is one rag that covers everything CL.

[Paul Taylor]

Here is an email I got today

OOPS, habit... put wrong contact number below. Here is correct number.


Hi All,

Control Line World needs your help...

The number of CLW subscriptions has dropped this past year. There is much doubt that we can get back to 1,000 subscribers, especially with all of the subscriptions running out with the latest October issue. I need help spreading the word to family and friends to re-subscribe. It is my fear that if we do not hit this number, that it will not be feasible to continue the magazine.

I have asked that a notice be put on the Brodak website to urge people to renew. If you are not sure about your renewal date, NOW is the time to ask. If you know someone who has not yet subscribed and has been meaning to, please suggest they do it NOW.

I would hate to see CLW disappear after 6 years, so once again, please help by spreading the word...forward this message to your family and friends.

Thank you in advance for your help,

Nikki Albert,  Editor
Control Line World
100 Park Avenue
Carmichaels, PA 15320
nikki@brodak.com


To check your renewal date: please email me or flyin@brodak.com
OR
To renew: please visit the Brodak website - www.brodak.com (click on the CLW magazine cover), email flyin@brodak.com / nikki@brodak.com or call 724-966-7335.

[decamara]

Is it just me?

Or why "isn't" there much better advertisement/s about (in this case) CLW?

Why are we waiting til its about to fall into the abyss before anything is "detailed"?

Like I stated, it might just be that I am not in the "know" of the more extensive world of control line period.


And yes, I know that "advertisement" does cost $

But wouldn't it be, that in the case of SSW, and SH, isn't there a better way to have these types of things italicized?





Doc, the blind
(flame away!)

[Will Davis]

I just renewed my subscription, could not have been easier, I just clicked on the link and followed directions, we really need to keep this going, one of the best deals for the money . Covers all disciplines of control line ,

Will

[RC Storick]

I have no problem with control line advertisements here

[Dick Pacini]

Just re-upped mine on-line.  Easy!

[Dan McEntee]

   Well, for what it's worth, this is just a sign of the times. Major magazines are having tough times with circulation, so imagine what it must be like for a small time operation. The PAMPA mag runs late sometimes due to production issues and submissions for content. Bob Hunt has been on the forums many times soliciting articles and such for pulication. It can be hard trying to fill all the pages with just c/l stuff and not over advertise. You really do need a certain amount of content to have enough pages to make it worth going to press. The main reason for any publication failing is the content on the pages, or lack of same and people will lose interest and not subscribe if they don't like what they see, or are getting the info somewhere else, like this internet forum. That's what has happened to the newspaper industry. Kind of ironic I guess using one form of technology to try and save another. So in addition to soliciting subscribers, they should also be soliciting authors for articles, as it all kind of begins and ends there. Good luck to them.
  Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee

[MarcusCordeiro]

I'm gonna get me a subscription then...

Marcus

[wwwarbird]

 Just got my renewal notice a couple of days ago. I'll be renewing online tonight.

 CLW is a great publication, at .082 cents per day all avid C/Ler's should support it. Since it's inception it's been one of my top three favorites to arrive in the mailbox, great reading and info, every time.

[Steve Hines]

We have to keep CLW going, I got pic in there for the first time with out Smantha. Did not do much Larry Wilks ask me to be his pit man. He had all the hard work done just had to fuel and start the motor. When we took second Samantha said hay dad first time you didnt take last. I hope we can keep it going I like this magazine, I think both CLW and Stunt News are getting better all the time.

Steve

[Dick Pacini]

Maybe if it came down to the wire, they could offer an on-line publication for a fee, like Stunt News from PAMPA.

[Robert Zambelli]

Maybe if it came down to the wire, they could offer an on-line publication for a fee, like Stunt News from PAMPA.

Hi, Dick. Knowing John as I do, I do not think that would happen and I'd be total agreement.
Maybe some of us are "old school" but I like to lay or sit back on my couch and thumb through the issues.
I do not like reading a magazine from a computer screen and I'd be surprised if others didn't share my feelings.
I like the portable nature of a magazine in that it can be enjoyed just about anywhere.
It's really the only model aircraft publication that I read - I usually give Model Aviation away without even opening it.

In any case, I enjoy the publication as well as having the privilege to be a regular contributor.

I really hope we can save it as it is the only true all around C/L magazine.

Bob Z.

[Dan McEntee]

  As a collector of magazines and owner of one of the largest and most complete collections in the country, I have to agree with Bob. I prefer a hard copy to look at also.I would suggest they contact subscribers and just aske why they did not renew. Times are still a bit rough for some people, and economics may play a part for some. But it also a factor for the publisher to have enough content to fill enough pages to make it worth going to press. I work in the printing industry and I'm kinda familiar with that. But like I said before, if the larger magazines that cover all aspects of modeling are having a tough time, I can imagine what it is like for CLW being a special interest magazine.  All magazines are much thinner now, and I think it was Flying Models that recently announced a reduction in the number of pages in their magazine to save money and paper costs, but still have to meet a minimum number of pages to make it viable, and it covers everything. I hope CLW can survive, but it is going to take more than a few more subscribers to do , I'm guessing.
   Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee

[Brett Buck]

Hi, Dick. Knowing John as I do, I do not think that would happen and I'd be total agreement.
Maybe some of us are "old school" but I like to lay or sit back on my couch and thumb through the issues.
I do not like reading a magazine from a computer screen and I'd be surprised if others didn't share my feelings.

   To clarify this - Stunt News is available in 3 formats: online PDF, CD with the same PDF, and a classic hard-copy magazine.

    Brett

[Paul Taylor]

I get my SN via download. I have them all on my computer then down load in iTunes to my iPad and phone.  I take it anywhere.

The good thing about the hard copy is it keeps good people like Nikki working.

This would also make a good Christmas gift.

[Dick Pacini]

I also chose the SN down load version, primarily as a cost savings measure.  It allowed both AMA and PAMPA membership and the CLW subscription be done at the same time for me, right at the end of the year during the holiday season.  Sure, I would like the hard copy, but there was enough difference in cost to make the E-copy a sensible choice for me.

[Larry Fruits]

I haven't received the latest issue nor a renewal notice to date. Had it not been for this post I would be unaware of renewal time. I have friends 30 miles from me that received their copies last week. Hard to renew when you don't know about it. Like others I would hate to see it go. Time to check into it. Thanks for the heads up.

 Larry

[john e. holliday]

I too did not realize it was renewal time until I seen my issue laying on the bed.   Being on fixed date for Soc Sec to go in the bank makes it hard to renew.  Will get it in the works asap.   By the way the article that Tom Dixon wrote is very educational and some things I have never really thought of.  

PS:Maybe they need to notify us by E-Mail if possible. jeh

[Dalton Hammett]

As several of the above,  I just received my notice and I will definately have it out in the mail tomorrow.  CLW is a great publication and I wouldn't want to lose it.  I have to agree with Bob,  the hard copies are nice to get and they do not have to be wasted if your not a collector.  Mine go to a couple of local waiting rooms with an attachment in the back about our club.

Dalton H.

[Rafael Gonzalez]

Here is an email I got today

OOPS, habit... put wrong contact number below. Here is correct number.


Hi All,

Control Line World needs your help...

The number of CLW subscriptions has dropped this past year. There is much doubt that we can get back to 1,000 subscribers, especially with all of the subscriptions running out with the latest October issue. I need help spreading the word to family and friends to re-subscribe. It is my fear that if we do not hit this number, that it will not be feasible to continue the magazine.

I have asked that a notice be put on the Brodak website to urge people to renew. If you are not sure about your renewal date, NOW is the time to ask. If you know someone who has not yet subscribed and has been meaning to, please suggest they do it NOW.

I would hate to see CLW disappear after 6 years, so once again, please help by spreading the word...forward this message to your family and friends.

Thank you in advance for your help,

Nikki Albert,  Editor
Control Line World
100 Park Avenue
Carmichaels, PA 15320
nikki@brodak.com


To check your renewal date: please email me or flyin@brodak.com
OR
To renew: please visit the Brodak website - www.brodak.com (click on the CLW magazine cover), email flyin@brodak.com / nikki@brodak.com or call 724-966-7335.

Is it me or there is something wrong with the link?


I went to renew, followed the subscribe cover at Brodack's and it sent me to an order page with nowhere to order. It says is out of stock!
I went to the home page

http://www.controllineworld.com/

and it seems the last time it was updated was 2007. Went to the Subscribe link and it sent me back to Brodack's!!!!

 

[Allan Perret]

I just renewed on the website,  worked OK for me.

[Paul Taylor]

I would say if your having issues use the email address or call Nikki. She is a sweet heart of a gal. 

[Joseph Patterson]

      Thanks for the reminder! I'm gonna renew too! Like the "ZAM" said, I much prefer reading a magazine than looking at a stupid computer screen. Reading a mag. is much more comfortable too me.
      Doug

[Nikki_Albert]

Hi All,

Okay, first let me start by saying...DO NOT PANIC!! I just wanted CLW supporters to know what is going on with the subscriptions. Please reread what I have typed: It is my fear that if we do not hit this number, that it will not be feasible to continue the magazine. I do not have the authority to discontinue CLW, but I do have the ability to try to keep the renewals going strong. Especially with all of the help I am getting from everyone.

There has been an issue at the Brodak website (www.brodak.com) but it has been FIXED and you may now renew online. Also I read that some people are still going to the old web address (www.controllineworld.com)... unfortunately this web site was designed by past CLW staff and we are unable to update or delete any of the info. Sorry for any inconvenience this is causing.

Some readers have not gotten their October issue...I can only suggest that you give it a day or two. We have no control over the postal service and when they deliver. I do know that they were taken to our local post office for bulk mailing on the 1st of October. Those that needed to renew will see a renewal form with their magazine...please be sure to get them mailed in by November 10th or sooner, if possible. This will assure that you do not miss the January 2013 issue of CLW.

Please anyone reading...feel free to contact me (nikki@brodak.com) anytime with any questions or concerns! Especially if you are interested in submitting material to be published.

If you are unsure of your renewal date, please contact: sandy@brodak.com

Thank you for your time and support to CLW,
Nikki =)

[Mike Griffin]

I let my subscription  lapse a couple of years ago but just renewed.    

Mike

[Rafael Gonzalez]

Hi All,

Okay, first let me start by saying...DO NOT PANIC!! I just wanted CLW supporters to know what is going on with the subscriptions. Please reread what I have typed: It is my fear that if we do not hit this number, that it will not be feasible to continue the magazine. I do not have the authority to discontinue CLW, but I do have the ability to try to keep the renewals going strong. Especially with all of the help I am getting from everyone.

There has been an issue at the Brodak website (www.brodak.com) but it has been FIXED and you may now renew online. Also I read that some people are still going to the old web address (www.controllineworld.com)... unfortunately this web site was designed by past CLW staff and we are unable to update or delete any of the info. Sorry for any inconvenience this is causing.

Some readers have not gotten their October issue...I can only suggest that you give it a day or two. We have no control over the postal service and when they deliver. I do know that they were taken to our local post office for bulk mailing on the 1st of October. Those that needed to renew will see a renewal form with their magazine...please be sure to get them mailed in by November 10th or sooner, if possible. This will assure that you do not miss the January 2013 issue of CLW.

Please anyone reading...feel free to contact me (nikki@brodak.com) anytime with any questions or concerns! Especially if you are interested in submitting material to be published.

If you are unsure of your renewal date, please contact: sandy@brodak.com

Thank you for your time and support to CLW,
Nikki =)

THANK YOU NIKKI!!  It is working now. I just subscribed. 

[Bill Little]

Sent in my order.

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM

[mike donovan]

Renewed my subscription about 2 hours ago. I could not get the website to work so I called and talked to Sandy and she took care of it. Great magazine, I want to keep it coming.

[MarcusCordeiro]

Waiting to get my first issue!!

Marcus

[Roger Vizioli]

I renewed.
It is great w/morning coffee and evening ..... (you know)!   
Roger V.

[Dennis Saydak]

  As a collector of magazines and owner of one of the largest and most complete collections in the country, I have to agree with Bob. I prefer a hard copy to look at also.a few more subscribers to do , I'm guessing.
Dan McEntee

Me too!
Dan, out of curiosity, roughly how many magazines do you have? I have over 10, 000 model & full scale mags in my collection. I will concede the crown if yours exceeds this number. If you need a picture, let me know. 

[Steve Helmick]

I'd never seen a copy of the magazine until last night, and that was only a quick look at the cover. I don't have anymore room for magazines, and I have a tough time throwing them in the recycle bin.

I rather like the CD version of SN, because the pictures are 1000% better than the printed version.  Steve

[Dan McEntee]

Me too!
Dan, out of curiosity, roughly how many magazines do you have? I have over 10, 000 model & full scale mags in my collection. I will concede the crown if yours exceeds this number. If you need a picture, let me know. 

     I'm not sure, I've never tried counting them. They are all in four drawer file cabinets, and I guess I have 8 or ten cabinets full, plus some on shelves. Going off memory I have the following:
   1) Flying Models complete from it's first issue with that titles in 1947 to today and almost all of the Flying Aces and Air World issues leading up to that.
   2) Model Builder complete.
   3) Model  Aviation. Complete as it is publiched today. Working on completeing the first version of it.
   4) American Aircraft Modeler complete.
   5)Model Airplane News. Working on filling in the last few gaps of the early years, but complete from 1933 up to 1990 (I think) .After that, I haven't been trying much because they dropped C/L and F/F in 1984.
   6) R/C Modeler. Complete from first issue up to the late 90's. I think it went under in 2005, and haven't been working too hard on that either.
    7) SIG Air Modeler. Complete, but that wasn't too hard since they only published 7 ussues
    Air Trails. complete from 1938 until it split up into Air Progress and American Modeler in the mid 50's.
   9) Aero Modeler  from  around 1960 to the mid 90s. HAve  a gap here and there because that was a hard one to find on the news stand. . Early ones are hard to find also.
  10) Air Progress. pretty complete from the mid 50's to
   the early 80s.
  11) Sport Aviation. Not really sure on these because I haven't cataloged them yet. Had a large collection of them from the early 60's through the 90s given to me and haven't gone through them yet.
    12) Air Classics. Not really sure about these either, but I've been buying that one for a LONG time.
    13) Flight Journal.  Complete from first issue up to today.
      14)Many, many years of Stunt News
    Lots of other euro mags and tons of books. I'm not making the claim out of arrogance, it's just what others have told me when the subject came up and described what I have. I've supplied Flying Models with all sorts of stuff that they don't have in their archives, including the mysterious May 1954 issue.  ( Do you have that one?) I've also supplied data from old articles by Alexander Lippisch to Stan Stoy when he was working for McDonnell Douglas on a RPV program. I'm behind a little on looking for some stuff for Wynn Paul in Aero Modeler and hope to catch up on this this weekend. I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff also, as I'm not at home right now. Having it is one thing, I just wish I was as organized with it as Keith Trostle is with his library. That is the bar that I'm trying to reach!
   Type At you later,
     Dan McEntee

[wwwarbird]

 Dan,

 I hope you have a large "NO SMOKING" sign posted at the entrance to your "library".

[Chuck Feldman]

Renewed yesterday.

Chuck

[Chris McMillin]

     I'm not sure, I've never tried counting them. They are all in four drawer file cabinets, and I guess I have 8 or ten cabinets full, plus some on shelves. Going off memory I have the following:
   1) Flying Models complete from it's first issue with that titles in 1947 to today and almost all of the Flying Aces and Air World issues leading up to that.
   2) Model Builder complete.
   3) Model  Aviation. Complete as it is publiched today. Working on completeing the first version of it.
   4) American Aircraft Modeler complete.
   5)Model Airplane News. Working on filling in the last few gaps of the early years, but complete from 1933 up to 1990 (I think) .After that, I haven't been trying much because they dropped C/L and F/F in 1984.
   6) R/C Modeler. Complete from first issue up to the late 90's. I think it went under in 2005, and haven't been working too hard on that either.
    7) SIG Air Modeler. Complete, but that wasn't too hard since they only published 7 ussues
    Air Trails. complete from 1938 until it split up into Air Progress and American Modeler in the mid 50's.
   9) Aero Modeler  from  around 1960 to the mid 90s. HAve  a gap here and there because that was a hard one to find on the news stand. . Early ones are hard to find also.
  10) Air Progress. pretty complete from the mid 50's to
   the early 80s.
  11) Sport Aviation. Not really sure on these because I haven't cataloged them yet. Had a large collection of them from the early 60's through the 90s given to me and haven't gone through them yet.
    12) Air Classics. Not really sure about these either, but I've been buying that one for a LONG time.
    13) Flight Journal.  Complete from first issue up to today.
      14)Many, many years of Stunt News
    Lots of other euro mags and tons of books. I'm not making the claim out of arrogance, it's just what others have told me when the subject came up and described what I have. I've supplied Flying Models with all sorts of stuff that they don't have in their archives, including the mysterious May 1954 issue.  ( Do you have that one?) I've also supplied data from old articles by Alexander Lippisch to Stan Stoy when he was working for McDonnell Douglas on a RPV program. I'm behind a little on looking for some stuff for Wynn Paul in Aero Modeler and hope to catch up on this this weekend. I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff also, as I'm not at home right now. Having it is one thing, I just wish I was as organized with it as Keith Trostle is with his library. That is the bar that I'm trying to reach!
   Type At you later,
     Dan McEntee

And you should see his plans and kit collection!
Chris...

[john e. holliday]

Well, I gave up and made a check out.  Both check and form on their way by snail mail.

[Joe Just]

CONCERNING "Ken's Problem..............Ken, check your PM for information concening your CLW problem.
Joe Just

[Bob Kruger]

All;

Just heard tonight on the way home from work that a stalwart like 'Newsweek' is going digital.  No more print copies after December 2012.

The wave of the future is digital.  I think if Brodak's looks at that and runs some numbers, they will find that they can reduce costs, expand subscriptions, and remain viable. 

V/r

Bob

[Dan McEntee]

  I saw the Newsweek news on the TV right before I left for work tonight. That is gonna sting some commercial printers that print the mag/ The thing that gets me is that most mags that I have seen that offer a digital edition, charge the same amount as that for a hard copy. That ain't right! You don't even have anything to line the bird cage with when you are finished. Ther are still lots of people that would prefer a hard copy of any publication, and forgetting about them isn't a smart thing to do. On line adverising is a pretty fast hit and miss proposition. A magazine or newspaper can be looked at, put down, picked back up again and the same single copy can be viewed by several people. Can't do that with something being read on an I-pad or laptop. The printing company I work for has a slogan  that goes, "The Power of Print." That can't be completely discounted yet. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
   Type at you later,
      Dan McEntee

[John KruziK]

1138 have looked at this, if all subscribe, all is good!

[Brett Buck]

  I saw the Newsweek news on the TV right before I left for work tonight. That is gonna sting some commercial printers that print the mag/ The thing that gets me is that most mags that I have seen that offer a digital edition, charge the same amount as that for a hard copy. That ain't right! You don't even have anything to line the bird cage with when you are finished.

     It's still about *content*. If Newsweek had something people wanted, they would still pay for it. It's no coincidence that the old media dinosaurs are virtually 100% hard left in their perspective. and that they are having problems. No one wants their values attacked on a weekly basis, and they sure as hell aren't going to pay for the privilege. They are finding they can't make money just selling to the hard-core left in large cities - just like all the rest of the propaganda organs. Give them a few years and they will be gone completely.

    Any product has to offer value to be successful. As long as it is worth it people will pay for it.

    Brett

[Joseph Lijoi]

     It's still about *content*. If Newsweek had something people wanted, they would still pay for it. It's no coincidence that the old media dinosaurs are virtually 100% hard left in their perspective. and that they are having problems. No one wants their values attacked on a weekly basis, and they sure as hell aren't going to pay for the privilege. They are finding they can't make money just selling to the hard-core left in large cities - just like all the rest of the propaganda organs. Give them a few years and they will be gone completely.

    Any product has to offer value to be successful. As long as it is worth it people will pay for it.

    Brett

I don't think Control Line World is "left leaning" at all.  On the contrary, there are a lot of pictures of old guys in it.  As far as attacking values, I haven't seen any articles on Monokote in any of the issues that I have read.

[Paul Smith]

Internet publications are OK as an "ALSO", but a publication needs to be HARD COPY to last in the long run and and get people to pay for it.  People think that everything off the net should be free. How do you run a pure internet magazine?


We've gone through many computer data formats over the past four decades.  Most of the stuff is already lost in antiquity. 

[Bob Kruger]

My post had nothing to do with politics, e.g. "left leaning", or anything else.

Control Line World provides a great service to all the control line disciplines.  Perhaps the business model needs to be reviewed and see if a digital format will enable control line enthusiasts to enjoy the magazine from the digital domain.  As for costs, that will be a Brodak decision.  On line is most assuredly less expensive, but where the cost point will be is a Brodak call.

Regardless, the future is having an "on line" version option, and pricing to reflect that.  It can be done.

V/r

Bob

I don't think Control Line World is "left leaning" at all.  On the contrary, there are a lot of pictures of old guys in it.  As far as attacking values, I haven't seen any articles on Monokote in any of the issues that I have read.

[Brett Buck]

I don't think Control Line World is "left leaning" at all.  On the contrary, there are a lot of pictures of old guys in it.  As far as attacking values, I haven't seen any articles on Monokote in any of the issues that I have read.

   I was referring to Newsweek, not CL World.

   Brett

[steven yampolsky]

The old media dinosaurs are virtually 100% hard left in their perspective...No one wants their values attacked on a weekly basis, and they sure as hell aren't going to pay for the privilege

Well today you helped me break another stereotype! I was sure that Californians are all "lefties". 

Steve

P.S. Improve yourself: break one stereotype every day!

[Eric Viglione]

I can say this much, Stunt News in full color on my Ipad is awesome. And, my Mk1 Eyeball on a paper magazine can't match the pinch and expand zoom touch function for reading those fine captions or zooming in on those nice color photo's on the Ipad.

The reality is, CLW is probably ALREADY in a digital format before it goes to print. A conversion to PDF is just a matter of software and a few short minutes of processing power. It's the business decision to forge ahead and make it an option is what will take the time.

CLW content serves a niche' market, similar but not the exact same as SN. The SAM newsletter is an example of what could happen to all of us over time. As to Newsweek, I know what Brett meant, the capitalist pig! Doesn't he know that all subscriptions to the Provda West are mandatory! LOL! Kidding aside, we will have to deal with certain realities over time.

You think virtual magazines are an odd concept? All the big trade shows in the computer industry are almost all virtual now. You used to be able to go press the flesh with guys from IBM, HP, INTEL, etc at COMDEX every year in Vegas or Atlanta... now, it's virtual. Tech Data, and the other distrubution wharehouses have dropped their trade shows too. Now once a year, you log in and go to virtual booths. You "Chat" with real sales people on line minding the booths. You drop your virtual business card into virtual fishbowls after visiting a booth for a chance to win a give-away. I kid you not!
This is the world we are becoming, like it or not.

The other news piece was that Hallmark was cutting way back on printed greeting cards as well. This is where even with all the Ebay deliveries, the Post Office is still taking it in the shorts.  Cha cha cha change....

EricV

[Joseph Lijoi]

   I was referring to Newsweek, not CL World.

   Brett

I know Brett, it was a joke.