CL pilot arm movements

[ken Kubushefski]

Hello all, 
              Does anyone have a video / utube pic's etc. on pilot inputs. Flying, I understand the object of only moving the arm not the wrist. The last time I flew was 30 or so years ago and then it was 3 flights.

Round and round a few climb and dives, next first attempt at a wingover which ended in the lines going slack and the ringmaster was in pieces. Will start building this fall a ukey-35 and a sig skyray 35.

Just scared to do the same dumb thing. I understand the ukey's a tough plane. Hope it's tough enough.  You have a fine forum and many good people. really intresting reading with tech info.

Thanks in advance  Ken the retread

[John Miller]

Ty is right on with his answer. We almost always teach newcomers to move the entire arm  rather than the wrist at first. It helps prevent over controlling that can occur with new pilots.

If you can find, and I'm sure it's out there, a good video of a good pilot flying the pattern, you'll see that sometimes the entire body is used to position, or accellerate the model. Learning to fly off of your, the pilots, center is important, and I would also emphisize the use of a coach early on, if possible.

[Mark Scarborough]

My two cents worth, from your breif dexription, I dont think that what you did with your hand likely had anything to do with the lines going slack. I would be more interested in alignment of the model. is it square, is it balanced properly, is it flying fast enough. Older models, Ringmasters and such need more airspeed unless they are really light. to heavy, wrong balance, wrong leadouts  position, not enough power, these things would be much more likely to cause slack lines in a wingover than how much input you used in your wrist or hand.

For what its worth, here is Paul close up for an idea of what he does with his hand

[Clancy Arnold]

I helped one flier learn to fly C/L.  His problem was that he would let the model get a quarter lap ahead of him.  He was trying to control the model by twisting his forearm, not by flexing his wrist.  A typical flight lasted less than 3 laps.  To help him I had him fly with his left hand, he is right handed, holding his right wrist.  This placed the model in front of him and also limited the amount of wrist flexing he could do.  At first he would follow instructions for a few laps and then revert to his old ways and immediately lawn dart the model.  I would remind him what to do and he would get longer flights between vertical landings.  It took a while but he learned.  That is why a new flier needs an experienced flier to get him started so that he does not start out learning bad habits that will later have to be unlearned.
Clancy

[phil c]

Reminds me of teaching a young guy to fly.  He started when he was about 10.  He managed to get the plane to fly level laps pretty well, but he always flew with the plane nearly behind him over his left shoulder and had a terrible time,  usually crashing when he got dizzy from running in a circle.  A couple years he turned 12.  We went out for the first flying session in the spring.  I reminded him about keeping the plane in front of his body, not letting it get ahead of him.  His first flight was just like all of 'em,  he was way behind the plane, flying it over his left shoulder.  We tried again, he got it in front of himself, it flew 1000% better, and he was now a flyer.

Sometimes, especially with kids, it just takes awhile for things to "click".

[Michael Boucher]

I always thought it would be cool if there was a video with a split picture. One half would show the arm movements and the other side of the picture , what the plane was doing at the time.  Just a thought

[ken Kubushefski]

Thank to all that replied. The more handle time , the more results. Looking forward to the first flight. Hope my handle time is longer than 1 flight.

[peabody]

Hi Ken...
Whereabouts do you live?
I find that flying with others is the best way to get up to speed .....
There are lots that are happy to help.
Thanks

[ken Kubushefski]

Allentown Pa , seems no one arounh here flys cl.  Mostly rc clubs and fields. The Philly flyers are the only group I can find, about 130 mile round trip.  Plus turnpike tolls.

[peabody]

Phil Cartier is close, Harrisburg has some circles and the GSCB is about 130 miles round trip too...

[Peter Ferguson]

According to Google , Allentown is 20mi from Stockertown Pa which is where Bob Hunt lives, You can look him up in this forum. He flys CL occasionally.
I have a nephew Mike that lives in Phillipsburg NJ you could do him a favor and get him out to the field. He is listed also.
Middlesex NJ has a nice site, but its also 130 mi round trip for you.