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Offline Allen Brickhaus

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Need of Aldrich '52 Nobler article
« on: November 11, 2013, 10:50:09 AM »
Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Need of Aldrich '52 Nobler article
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2013, 11:38:03 AM »
I'm going to try and attach it. If this doesn't work you can go to the hip pocket builders forum, and the plans gallary. They have the article and the plans in their control line, stunt, full fuselage section.
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Re: Need of Aldrich '52 Nobler article
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2013, 07:13:08 PM »
Hi Allen,

Attached is the article and plan in .pdf format

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Re: Need of Aldrich '52 Nobler article
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2013, 09:45:55 PM »
Attached is the article and plan in .pdf format

   Note the 20:45 Flap/elevator ratio.


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Re: Need of Aldrich '52 Nobler article
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2013, 10:11:30 PM »
I have wondered about the flap-elevator ratio used by GMA, since I have a nearly-finished Brodak '52 "Original" Nobler with the wildly asymmetrical flaps and wing panels. Just doesn't seem right to use "modern" deflection numbers and lo and behold, you shouldn't.

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Re: Need of Aldrich '52 Nobler article
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2013, 11:29:15 PM »
I have wondered about the flap-elevator ratio used by GMA, since I have a nearly-finished Brodak '52 "Original" Nobler with the wildly asymmetrical flaps and wing panels. Just doesn't seem right to use "modern" deflection numbers and lo and behold, you shouldn't.

I agree, but would point out that the MAN Plan 52 Nobler is significantly different than the Brodak "Original Nobler", and in my opinion a significantly better flier.

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Re: Need of Aldrich '52 Nobler article
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2013, 11:52:12 PM »
Other than a slight polywogging of the ribs near the TE I don't see anything I would call a significant difference, or any difference, and GMA has blessed the Brodak Original Nobler as a true-to-original reproduction of the model as it was in 1952. What are the differences you have in mind? The kit is very different from the 57 version of course and may be a better flyer than that one.

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Re: Need of Aldrich '52 Nobler article
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2013, 01:21:07 AM »
   The Nobler as presented in the original Model Airplane News plan, had some changes that I don't think George authorized, as they were not drawn up and inked by him. I can't remember the details, but the M.A.N. version doesn't have as much asymmetry as his original design, which as was pointed out, is kitted by Brodak with George's blessing. After publishing in M.A.N., the design was kitted by Top Flite as the beloved "57 Nobler that we all know. It was massaged even further by the kit designers at Top Flite to fit in a standard box. That was a pretty common practice at that time on several well known designs. When Top Flite was purchased by Great Planes in I forget what year, all the rights to previous produced kits were released when Great Planes destroyed all the tooling and such for the kits, as all they wanted was the name and the Monokote brand. That reverted the rights to all of the Aldrich designs back to George, who in turn made the deal with Brodak. Before that, the versions of the Flite Streak that Brodak put out were called Lightning Streak to avoid conflict with Top Flite Models. There was even at least one version of the Nobler  before the '52 version that was published by M.A.N. I have a copy of those plans by Jan Rummery, and I believe Jim Kraft has built one of those. And of course, no Nobler thread can be complete without mention of the Gieseke Nobler ( forgot how to spell Gieseke) which was kitted by Top Flite after 1970, with some minor modifications made by Bob G. when scratch building a new airplane in a panic before th '68 or '69 NATS. That's pretty much everything I can remember about the Nobler history without spending the night researching in my basement!
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Offline Jim Thomerson

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Re: Need of Aldrich '52 Nobler article
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2013, 10:55:05 AM »
I watched George build a Nobler in 1955.  He built it off the 1952 MAN plans.  With all the information about no plan building, this amuses me, although I did not attach any significance to it at the time. 

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Re: Need of Aldrich '52 Nobler article
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2013, 03:22:57 PM »
Note: In the second paragraph, it should have said 1949 Nats, there was no such thing as C/L at the 40 Nats. I flew stunt at the 49 Nats but do not recall meeting George, I just know Don Still whipped me, and all the other seniors, then he did it to me again at the 53 Plymouth Internats!


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