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Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« on: December 07, 2020, 10:04:33 PM »
I knew of his exploits as a young USAF brat and went to school years later with his two daughters when both our families were stationed at Clark AB, Republic of the Philippines.  He commanded a squadron of B-57 medium bombers and would fly combat missions over South Vietnam.

I read the book The Right Stuff which mentioned Yeager in a very favorable light so I bought his autobiography afterward.  Good read.
He was court-martialed as a corporal when they went out and machine gunned a farmer's horse to death after they got drunk.  Still managed to make O7.


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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2020, 10:37:15 PM »
A true national hero, and a great loss. He WAS the right stuff, and will be missed.  Would that there was some way to fly his remains at Mach-1 one last time.

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2020, 10:44:40 PM »
  Steve, 
  Something told me he flew the X15 .. .  cheap thrills.
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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2020, 11:33:55 PM »
  Steve, 
  Something told me he flew the X15 .. .  cheap thrills.
                John L.
I think at some point in his career he flew just about everything that had wings.  My brother is a test pilot and knew him.  He is a legend and will be missed.

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2020, 11:42:49 PM »

  Something told me he flew the X15 .
 

  Definitely not.  His chief rival Scott Crossfield was the North American factory test pilot, but never set any records in it. But Yeager never flew it - an X-15 flight was only slightly less spontaneous than a Gemini launch, you didn't just hop in it "off the books" for a quick flight.

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2020, 12:20:59 AM »
Over the years I had the honour of meeting both Scott Crossfield and Chuck Yeager.
The mould was definitely broken when these men were born.

Truly remarkable lifetimes.

May they rest in peace.

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2020, 12:33:00 AM »
I loved his humour.  Those passages in Bill Bridgeman's The Lonely Sky when he was flying chase in an F86 for Bridgeman in the Skyrocket are a delight.  When Bridgeman exceeded Mach 1 for the first time, the banter went something like this: "Did you make it, son?"  "Yep."  "Terrifying, wasn't it?"  Bridgeman (who was the older of the two) noted that Yeager always addressed him as 'son'.  It seemed a natural thing to do.
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2020, 12:47:53 AM »
Over the years I had the honour of meeting both Scott Crossfield and Chuck Yeager.
The mould was definitely broken when these men were born.


   Two rather amazing individuals who also happened to also be just the right guys at just the right time in exactly the right place. We'll never see the like of them again.

   BTW, having grown up during this age and being particularly interested in test flying and spaceflight, you can tell the difference between these guys, and the generally dull-as-dishwater astronaut corps and equally nondescript and generally ignored the X-15/lifting body pilots - guys you never heard of, like Bill Dana (not the Jose Jimenez guy...) and Joh Manke. Of that bunch I would only put someone like Pete Conrad in the same category as Crossfield and Yeager.

   Note that they were all extremely skilled and almost all of them *highly-competitive*. Note this story from the Washington post (concerning Conrad):

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He liked to go fast – but he was not a fool about it. He liked to remember the time in 1964 when he and some friends headed for a Texas ranch three hours away to do some hunting. They formed a parade of Corvettes. Deke Slayton, head of the astronaut office, took the lead. They were doing 100 mph or more on the two-lane road and along the way, he said, "we picked up some poor kid in another Corvette. He was just a teenager who saw us go by and wanted to join the fun." They were going so fast that even Conrad was concerned, so when they stopped for burgers, he suggested that the quiet, serious Neil Armstrong take the point. That should slow things down, Conrad thought. Instead, Armstrong took off, going faster than Slayton had. Pretty soon, they heard sirens. They all were pulled over and arrested.

    It was a wonderful time.

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2020, 12:53:37 AM »
I loved his humour.  Those passages in Bill Bridgeman's The Lonely Sky when he was flying chase in an F86 for Bridgeman in the Skyrocket are a delight.  When Bridgeman exceeded Mach 1 for the first time, the banter went something like this: "Did you make it, son?"  "Yep."  "Terrifying, wasn't it?"  Bridgeman (who was the older of the two) noted that Yeager always addressed him as 'son'.  It seemed a natural thing to do.


  Specifically, in a West Virginia drawl - "How do you hold with rockets now, son?".

   Bridgeman's book is well worth a read.

      Brett

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2020, 01:17:32 AM »
Great stories, sorry to hear of Yeager's death though.  He'll always be one of the greats in my mind.

My favorite Yeager story: When the Air Force received the first MiG-15 (acquired when a North Korean defected), Yeager flew it in mock dogfights against an F-86 Sabre.  When the Sabre pilot complained that Yeager was only dominating because he flew the MiG, Yeager switched planes and kept dominating.

Great fighter pilots make the best use of what they have.

Another favorite here was "Boots" Blesse.  Had a chance to talk with him several times. He flew 223 missions in Korea, became a Double Ace.  I delivered the daily newspaper during the Korean War and read everything I could find about military aviation, especially Korea.  A cousin flew as a waist gunner on B-29s at the time.

I also followed the Air Force Gunnery Competitions during the '50s.  Blesse won each of the 6 competitions in 1955, I believe the only time it's been done.  Really a gregarious guy, fun to talk with.

Guys like Yeager and Blesse were real warriors, we're lucky they were on our side!

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2020, 01:32:11 AM »
  Says at age 79 he flew out of Edwards October 2002 ,,, snappy pappy.  Also the X15s predecessor the X1
           John L,
 

  Definitely not.  His chief rival Scott Crossfield was the North American factory test pilot, but never set any records in it. But Yeager never flew it - an X-15 flight was only slightly less spontaneous than a Gemini launch, you didn't just hop in it "off the books" for a quick flight.

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2020, 03:06:25 AM »

  Specifically, in a West Virginia drawl - "How do you hold with rockets now, son?".
Bridgeman's equally cool reply: "Kinda sudden, ain't it, Captain?"

I just love that book.
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2020, 06:08:05 AM »
  Says at age 79 he flew out of Edwards October 2002 ,,, snappy pappy.  Also the X15s predecessor the X1

    The X-1, certainly, first supersonic flight and up to Mach 2.44 - far beyond where the airplane was controllable.  Lucky to get out of that one.

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2020, 06:51:34 AM »
  Steve, 
  Something told me he flew the X15 .. .  cheap thrills.
                John L.
Don't think he did but he did fly the first MiG-15 brought to the states after a North Korean pilot defected with one.

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2020, 07:01:29 AM »
Yeager said the saddest day in his storied military career was sitting on a courts martial board for Col. Jack Broughton - a Thud pilot in Vietnam.  He was said to be a leader of leaders and commanded the USAF Thunderbirds team as they transitioned from the straight wing F-84G to the swept wing F-84F.

While commanding a squadron of F-105 Thunderchiefs on a mission over Haiphong they took fire from a Soviet freighter in the harbor.  He responded by returning fire.  After realizing he may have created an incident, he sought to cover it up by destroying the gun camera film.  "It's not the crime but the coverup which will get you."

After reading The Right Stuff, I read Yeager's autobiography then Broughton's book Thud Ridge.

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2020, 09:14:52 AM »
  Steve ,
  It " looks " like he flew it as a novelty or something at age 79 .....
  Who knows? I don't believe all I read.
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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2020, 11:22:13 AM »
They were actively flying the X-15 when we were stationed at Edwards AFB in '60-'61, so I'm sure the program was over and done well before 2002. They fly lots of interesting "stuff" out of Edwards...all cutting edge, but not all of it is crazy fast. Some research might turn up whatever it was he flew in 2002. In 2002, the B-1, B-2, or SR-71 would be likely.

Amazing how some of these guys live so long. Shear stubbornness, I'd say. God Bless General Yeager and all of that Greatest Generation. They were something special.   y1  Steve
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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2020, 11:31:04 AM »
  Steve ,
  It " looks " like he flew it as a novelty or something at age 79 .....
  Who knows? I don't believe all I read.
 John L.

   That was an F-15, and I think he flew as a co-pilot in a F-15E. For years they have been trying to figure out a way to keep both him, and his buddy Bob Hoover, out of the air, due to age. Didn't really work, the FAA  VS Chuck Yeager and Bob Hoover - it's like Tokyo VS Godzilla and Rodan.

   In any case, no one flies an X-15 flight "as a novelty", and the one remaining flight-worthy airplane - as of the end of the program in 1968-  is hanging in the Smithsonian.

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2020, 11:40:04 AM »
  I  give.

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2020, 11:57:42 AM »
   That was an F-15, and I think he flew as a co-pilot in a F-15E. For years they have been trying to figure out a way to keep both him, and his buddy Bob Hoover, out of the air, due to age. Didn't really work, the FAA  VS Chuck Yeager and Bob Hoover - it's like Tokyo VS Godzilla and Rodan.

   In any case, no one flies an X-15 flight "as a novelty", and the one remaining flight-worthy airplane - as of the end of the program in 1968-  is hanging in the Smithsonian.

      Brett
This one has me a bit confused too.  The X-15 required a specially modified B-52 to drop it.  I seriously doubt they kept it around 34 years so Chuck could take a joy ride in 2002.  Internet is splattered with accounts of an X-15 flight in 2002 but they all appear to be quoting the same source so it probably was an F-15.

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2020, 12:04:58 PM »
  Ken,
  You mean we can't always believe what is written?  ( joke there don't hit).
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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2020, 12:05:58 PM »
Perhaps you're thinking of the F-15 flight/ride he took at age 89 to honor the 65th anniversary of breaking the sound barrier.
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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2020, 12:09:04 PM »
  No Brent,
 I'm thinking of what I read.
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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2020, 12:30:15 PM »
This one has me a bit confused too.  The X-15 required a specially modified B-52 to drop it.  I seriously doubt they kept it around 34 years so Chuck could take a joy ride in 2002.  Internet is splattered with accounts of an X-15 flight in 2002 but they all appear to be quoting the same source so it probably was an F-15.

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      It is both a physical and metaphysical impossibility that anyone, even Chuck Yeager, went on an X-15 joy ride in the year 2002 or any other time. If nothing else, even if they got a drop plane, figured out where to get fuel, figured out how to charge the batteries, reconstituted the support network, serviced the hydrualics, fuel it, etc, and managed to find someone who even know how to flip the "on" switch, they aren't going to let an old man, even if he is Chuck Yeager, fly something for fun, particularly given that he had never flown the airplane before. I wasn't kidding, an X-15 flight was just a little bit short of a moon shot to plan and execute, you don't just have someone jump in it and take a spin around the field.

     I have no doubt someone on TV or the internet may have said he did it, people on TV and the internet say a lot of stupid things. When the guys skydived from the ballon a while back, CNN or some other news service reported that he "exceeded the speed of light". They meant "speed of sound" but the fact that they didn't immediately realize it was ridiculous and correct it before or during the same sentence just tells you *how profoundly ignorant* most reporters are.

   Chuck Yeagers *reality* was better than most people's fantasies, there is no need to dream up more of his exploits.

    Brett

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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2020, 12:52:22 PM »
That is sad to hear, but I bet the good LORD has a place for him. H^^
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« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2020, 05:08:44 PM »
The passing of a true American hero, from our nations greatest generation.
I will watch The Right Stuff tonight, in his honor.
Fair winds General, you were a hero to so many and an inspiration to your country.

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« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2020, 05:35:25 PM »
    By the way, one of the sources, maybe the original source, was TIME magazine, it does indeed say X-15 in 2002, but it is beyond ludicrous, it is literally impossible. You might want to use that as an example of how reliable news media sources are, because it absolutely, positively, DIDN'T HAPPEN.

   I am sure they mean F-15, he definitely did fly that in 2002 on the anniversary. And while you and I aren't going to get to joy ride in an F-15, either, that is perfectly plausible thing for a qualified pilot to do. And, after all, we are talking about the master of all masters, General Chuck Yeager!

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2020, 05:54:06 PM »
   I'm not the book reading kind in general. But when I heard about General Yeager's autobiography coming out I even paid full price for it, because I knew I would be enthralled with it. I have read Yeager's book, Bob Hoover's, A. J. Foyt's, Dick Mann's, John Penton's, and Dave Mungenast's, and all are cut from the same cloth. There are a few more on my list for retirement such as Crossfield's autobiography.  Crossfield might not seem the same to some people since he was an engineer and and not a military pilot, but if you ever saw the film of the X-15 he was sitting in the nose of exploding during a static engine test run, and then find out that he got back in it again after they rebuilt it, you know he was cut from the same cloth!! I have the book " Air of Injustice" about Hoover's struggles to regain  his ticket again and that is on the short list.
    I have seen the stuff on the internet also where it's said that he took a ride in "the X-15" when he was 89 on the anniversary of the sound barrier falling, and I think it's just a typical case of the journalist not knowing an airplane wing from a pair if wing tip shoes!! There are several videos on YouTube of his ride in the back seat of an F-15 that year. He didn't ask for any help, but he was barely able to lift his legs over the edge of the cockpit to climb in, but I have no doubt that he got some stick time on that flight!!
   I got to meet and talk with General Yeager a little bit at the Kid Venture venue at Oshkosh and got his autograph on my hat along with Bob Hoover that year. It would have been cool to have seen them both together chatting and just sit down and listened! I got to ask him what he thought the most capable airplane was that he ever flew, factoring technology and time periods and such, and with out hesitation, he said that if he were to fly into battle that day it would be in a F-15 as it was the best airplane to fly, fight, and survive to go home that he ever sat in.  If you read Yeager's book, he talks about pilots back then never saying that some one was killed in a crash, or died in a crash, it was always "he augured in" or "he bought the farm yesterday".   After living the life that he has, I just like to think that he just bought the farm in a really spectacular way, doing what he had done and living as long as he did and being as engaged in life as he was right to the very end! 
   God Bless General Chuck Yeager!
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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2020, 07:21:36 PM »
When I was in about 5th grade I was following everything about the X planes.  At the time, they were testing out the X-15.  I found out that Scott Crossfield was test flying it so I wrote him a letter.  He sent me a very nice letter back.  I still have it!  A prized possession for sure!

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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2020, 07:42:32 PM »
 Steve let's us all know, "Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97"

 Nice, "passed" or something similar might be a bit more respectable.


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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2020, 07:51:20 PM »

 A good article from yesterday here...

GRASS VALLEY, Calif. (AP) — Retired Air Force Brig. Gen. Charles “Chuck” Yeager, the World War II fighter pilot ace and quintessential test pilot who showed he had the “right stuff” when in 1947 he became the first person to fly faster than sound, has died. He was 97.

Yeager died Monday, his wife, Victoria Yeager, said on his Twitter account.

“It is w/ profound sorrow, I must tell you that my life love General Chuck Yeager passed just before 9pm ET. An incredible life well lived, America’s greatest Pilot, & a legacy of strength, adventure, & patriotism will be remembered forever.”

Yeager's death is “a tremendous loss to our nation,” NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine said in a statement.

“Gen. Yeager’s pioneering and innovative spirit advanced America’s abilities in the sky and set our nation’s dreams soaring into the jet age and the space age. He said, ‘You don’t concentrate on risks. You concentrate on results. No risk is too great to prevent the necessary job from getting done,'” Bridenstine said.

“In an age of media-made heroes, he is the real deal,” Edwards Air Force Base historian Jim Young said in August 2006 at the unveiling of a bronze statue of Yeager.

He was “the most righteous of all those with the right stuff,” said Maj. Gen. Curtis Bedke, commander of the Air Force Flight Test Center at Edwards.

Yeager, from a small town in the hills of West Virginia, flew for more than 60 years, including piloting an F-15 to near 1,000 mph (1,609 kph) at Edwards in October 2002 at age 79.

“Living to a ripe old age is not an end in itself. The trick is to enjoy the years remaining,” he said in “Yeager: An Autobiography.”

“I haven’t yet done everything, but by the time I’m finished, I won’t have missed much,” he wrote. “If I auger in (crash) tomorrow, it won’t be with a frown on my face. I’ve had a ball.”

On Oct. 14, 1947, Yeager, then a 24-year-old captain, pushed an orange, bullet-shaped Bell X-1 rocket plane past 660 mph (1,062 kph) to break the sound barrier, at the time a daunting aviation milestone.

“Sure, I was apprehensive,” he said in 1968. “When you’re fooling around with something you don’t know much about, there has to be apprehension. But you don’t let that affect your job.”

The modest Yeager said in 1947 he could have gone even faster if the plane had carried more fuel. He said the ride “was nice, just like riding fast in a car.”

Yeager nicknamed the rocket plane, and all his other aircraft, “Glamorous Glennis” for his first wife, who died in 1990.

Yeager’s feat was kept top secret for about a year when the world thought the British had broken the sound barrier first.

“It wasn’t a matter of not having airplanes that would fly at speeds like this. It was a matter of keeping them from falling apart,” Yeager said.

Sixty-five years later to the minute, on Oct. 14, 2012, Yeager commemorated the feat, flying in the back seat of an F-15 Eagle as it broke the sound barrier at more than 30,000 feet (9,144 meters) above California’s Mojave Desert.

His exploits were told in Tom Wolfe’s book “The Right Stuff,” and in the 1983 film it inspired.

Yeager was born Feb. 23, 1923, in Myra, a tiny community on the Mud River deep in an Appalachian hollow about 40 miles (64 kilometers) southwest of Charleston. The family later moved to Hamlin, the county seat. His father was an oil and gas driller and a farmer.

“What really strikes me looking over all those years is how lucky I was, how lucky, for example, to have been born in 1923 and not 1963 so that I came of age just as aviation itself was entering the modern era,” Yeager said in a December 1985 speech at the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum.

“I was just a lucky kid who caught the right ride,” he said.

Yeager enlisted in the Army Air Corps after graduating from high school in 1941. He later regretted that his lack of a college education prevented him from becoming an astronaut.

He started off as an aircraft mechanic and, despite becoming severely airsick during his first airplane ride, signed up for a program that allowed enlisted men to become pilots.

Yeager shot down 13 German planes on 64 missions during World War II, including five on a single mission. He was shot down over German-held France but escaped with the help of French partisans.

After World War II, he became a test pilot at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio.

Among the flights he made after breaking the sound barrier was one on Dec. 12. 1953, when he flew an X-1A to a record of more than 1,600 mph (2,575 kph).

He said he had gotten up at dawn that day and went hunting, bagging a goose before his flight. That night his family ate the goose for dinner, Yeager said.

He returned to combat during the Vietnam War, flying several missions a month in twin-engine B-57 Canberras, making bombing and strafing runs over South Vietnam.

Yeager also commanded Air Force fighter squadrons and wings and the Aerospace Research Pilot School for military astronauts.

“I’ve flown 341 types of military planes in every country in the world and logged about 18,000 hours,” he said in an interview in the January 2009 issue of Men’s Journal. “It might sound funny, but I’ve never owned an airplane in my life. If you’re willing to bleed, Uncle Sam will give you all the planes you want.”

When Yeager left Hamlin, he was already known as a daredevil. On later visits, he often buzzed the town.

“I live just down the street from his mother,” said Gene Brewer, retired publisher of the weekly Lincoln Journal. “One day I climbed up on my roof with my 8 mm camera when he flew overhead. I thought he was going to take me off the roof. You can see the treetops in the bottom of the pictures.”

Yeager flew an F-80 under a Charleston bridge at 450 mph (724 kph) on Oct. 10, 1948, according to newspaper accounts.

When he was asked to repeat the feat for photographers, Yeager replied: “You should never strafe the same place twice ’cause the gunners will be waiting for you.”

Yeager never forgot his roots and West Virginia named bridges, schools and Charleston’s airport after him.

“My beginnings back in West Virginia tell who I am to this day,” Yeager wrote. “My accomplishments as a test pilot tell more about luck, happenstance and a person’s destiny. But the guy who broke the sound barrier was the kid who swam the Mud River with a swiped watermelon or shot the head off a squirrel before going to school.”

Yeager was awarded the Silver Star, the Distinguished Flying Cross, the Bronze Star, the Air Medal and the Purple Heart.

President Harry S. Truman awarded him the Collier air trophy in December 1948 for his breaking the sound barrier. He also received the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1985.

Yeager retired from the Air Force in 1975 and moved to a ranch in Cedar Ridge in Northern California where he continued working as a consultant to the Air Force and Northrop Corp. and became well known to younger generations as a television pitchman for automotive parts and heat pumps.

He married Glennis Dickhouse of Oroville, California, on Feb. 26, 1945. She died of ovarian cancer in December 1990. They had four children: Donald, Michael, Sharon and Susan.

Yeager married 45-year-old Victoria Scott D’Angelo in 2003.
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Re: Chuck Yeager Dead @ 97
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2020, 10:51:26 PM »
As a footnote to his anniversary F15 flight Bob Hoover who had piloted the chase plane in 1947 was in another F15 again flying chase for Yeager.


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