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District 1 Clubs and Contests
« on: November 14, 2009, 09:21:42 AM »
Hey, we have 59 PAMPA members in District 1. There's only 1 club that runs contests (NEST in Mass). Sounds like there's a nice parking lot down by Perry Rose in Plainfield CT where some CT club could do a contest. There's also a nice grass field at Salmon River St Forest in Colchester CT. There are a couple of Combat contests there each year. No reason that I know of for not having a stunt contest there.

There are 20-something PAMPA members in CT just like in MA. Maybe our new PAMPA District 1 VP could provide some encouragement!!

-Chris

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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2009, 12:11:37 PM »
There will be 60 Pampa Members in district 1, when they get my check that was sent a few days ago. #^
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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2009, 03:03:59 PM »
I've always thought, when I get old enough hold a contest up here in Vermont.  My school parking lot may be big enough for 2 circles, 1 mininum, plus about 50 practice grass circles you could use.  We have to travel to get to your contests, maybe you guys should travel north for a contest up north  >:D
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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2009, 08:23:50 AM »
Hey Matt,

I bet you'd have Grandpa Don and Bill Hummel on board with the Vermont Contest.
I'd make the trip!

-Chris

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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2009, 08:25:11 AM »
Good job joining PAMPA, Dick!!

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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2009, 08:32:13 AM »
Good job joining PAMPA, Dick!!

-Chris


No problem.  Actually, I was one of the charter members when it was formed in '73.
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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2009, 09:12:22 AM »
Chris, there are nearly 200 PAMPA members living within 3 hours of the NEST meets...and yet the turnout in 2009 was less than enthusiastic.  Why? Lots of reasons, everyone has his own "theory".  My suggestion, apply for your Contest Director license, and help put on a meet.  Us old CD's are getting tired, and not a lot of "new" help is coming along.  Matt's enthusiasm is wonderful, wish we could spread this throughout the PAMPA crowd!
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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2009, 09:53:33 AM »
Hey Bill,

Good suggestion about the CD license. I will look into my eligibility, since I was out of modelling for a decade or two and rejoined the AMA about 2 years ago. I wasn't an AMA member as a kid in the 70's, and joined briefly in the mid-to-late 80's. By the way Bill, you're not that old!! You've got many, many, many good CD years left in you!!

-Chris

Update: You need to be an AMA member for 3 years continuously prior to applying for a CD license. So that means I have next season to learn the job, then apply for CD for the 2011 season. (I rejoined the AMA for the 2008 season).

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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2009, 09:59:17 AM »
What Bill said.....
2009 had more conflicts for me than any year I can remember...
Make sure the site is insured!
I think that you can become a CD right now?


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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2009, 11:07:27 AM »
I will contact the AMA to verify my eligibility date for the CD license

-Chris

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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2009, 03:21:15 PM »
I can't get a CD license until I turn 18, I already half looked into it.  Grandpa can get one but he says he doesn't want to be bothered with all the work that goes into putting a contest on (party pooper  >:( )
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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2009, 07:57:01 AM »
The AMA says I can apply for the CD license during my 3rd year. That means January 1, 2010 to me!

For the record, at the very first contest that I attended (Mass Cup 2008), the NEST guys already were trying to
get me to go for my CD license. I think it was Guerry Byers who started that conversation.

Man, you guys are in trouble now. I have to get 3 guys to vouch for me on that CD application.

-Chris

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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2009, 01:46:04 PM »
The AMA says I can apply for the CD license during my 3rd year. That means January 1, 2010 to me!

For the record, at the very first contest that I attended (Mass Cup 2008), the NEST guys already were trying to
get me to go for my CD license. I think it was Guerry Byers who started that conversation.

Man, you guys are in trouble now. I have to get 3 guys to vouch for me on that CD application.

-Chris


Chris, I remember you flew at a contest earlier that year in Lee, if I remember right, you took 3rd.

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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2009, 06:33:29 PM »
Hey Matt,

Oops, I have my contests mixed up. That 1st Lee contest in 2008 wasn't the Mass Cup. I did take 3rd I think with the LA-25 powered red and white Sukoi ARF. I was flying the beginner's pattern and couldn't do an overhead 8.

At the Mass Cup Contest I had those issues resolved and was flying an LA-40 powered Primary Force. I took first in beginners with that one, but my score went down flying for the Cup. As you know, your score when up in the Cup round and you took home the Gold (Silver?).

Anyway, pretty amusing that they had me targeted to get the CD's license when I couldn't really fly the beginner's pattern yet. I hope they were at least partially kidding!

-Chris
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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2009, 06:41:20 AM »

Hi Everyone;

There  ARE a lot of members and control Line pilots out here in New England.  Many are inactive.  Life catches up
with us as Mr. Hummel and Mr. Peabody have indicated.  And we DO need some rebuilt enthusiasm.  Connecticut contests would
be absolutely great, and I think you would get an excellent turnout.   It would pull in all of New England, and reach those
who are in New York and New Jersey.  We just need some leadership ( C.D.'s ) willing to put in
some time to organize it.  Gury and Bill would be able to tell you what to do.  Once you know that, it is essential to get a few dedicated people
you know who will follow through, to  help with flying field prep.  and paperwork.  This Fall and Winter, I am going to try to contact
every individual personally, to see what's going on in their life and invite them to get active again. 

It would be nice to have some Fun Fly's during the colder months, perhaps at different locations around New England to try to light up
enthusiasm.   Getting more Contest Directors who WANT to hold contests and are WILLING to do the footwork, are
a must , to  building momentum and enthusiasm.   Also establishing several good flying fields around New England and
letting everyone know they are available would be good.  And then if we had consistency in going out and flying at those sites,
that would also build momentum. You have to really love this sport to go out time and again, alone, to fly and practice.  My schedule
has only allowed me to do that over the last few years.  It is so much better to fly with a group of guys every week.  Sometimes weekends
are not good because of family activities.  Maybe we could establish during the week evening flying, for example, like a Tuesday or Wednesday
evening.  Nice thing about that, is , that the wind usually decreases as the evening progresses.  Hey, you could fly, relax with good conversation,
and watch beautiful sunsets, and go home and finish off the day. 

Sounds like we have some enthusiasm already building,  from your comments.   Keep it going and talk it up. 
New England has a lot of potential.  There are a lot of good people here.  We just need some direction and prodding.


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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2009, 08:58:27 AM »
Hey Chris S. you don't have to be a top notch pilot to be a great contest director.  One lady I still miss started running contests in California so the men could play with their planes.  She started running the speed events at the NATS.  Somehow  this portion was posted before I got done with this mickey mouse key board.  Anyway in time Bev W.(no I am not going to try and spell it) wound up being the NATS control line manager/director.  Brenda Schuette got aquainted with her during the time Bev would be trying to train a male to take over when she would step down.  She took Brenda under her wing.  Brenda and Melvin attended their first NATS in 1985 when my son JJ was in his last year as Junior.  Brenda has not missed a NATS since. 

So step up to the plate and get the forms and get started.  I think the requirment for 3 CD's has been dropped.  Just know the rules for the events you may be running.
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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2009, 05:51:00 PM »
Chris
Jan 2010 is near- keep us updated on your efforts to become a CD. Today I spoke with the owner of hobby shop in Winsted , CT. He expressed interest in helping facilitate a C/L contest in area adjacent to his store - which is located on Route 44 . He told me this had been previously discussed this with some other Conn C/L pilots including Bill Gruby- but he never heard back for follow-up.
The hobby shop phone # is: 860-738-7534.
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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2009, 02:26:09 PM »
 Nice to finally talk to you today Lyle.
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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2009, 02:54:52 PM »
Hey All,

Being a CD in Distict II, I for one try to attend as many District I contests as I can, however I see very little reciprocation from District I for our 2 NY Contests. And Bill, I know what you mean about being alot of work. It seems to be a thankless job sometime. I also think that for economic reasons some of the turnouts were low.
Hope to try to make as many contests as I can next year including of course The Brodak Fly-In and I hope the NATS also. These one week contests do get very expensive as some of you know I'm sure.

Being on a fixed income these days they will be a stretch for me personally.

Cheers,

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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2009, 06:15:18 PM »
Hey All,

Being a CD in Distict II, I for one try to attend as many District I contests as I can, however I see very little reciprocation from District I for our 2 NY Contests. And Bill, I know what you mean about being alot of work. It seems to be a thankless job sometime. I also think that for economic reasons some of the turnouts were low.
Hope to try to make as many contests as I can next year including of course The Brodak Fly-In and I hope the NATS also. These one week contests do get very expensive as some of you know I'm sure.

Being on a fixed income these days they will be a stretch for me personally.

Cheers,

Bob "Champione" Lampione

Hi Bob,

We couldn't make it to the NY contests, since we had Brodak and grandpa didn't want to be constantly traveling, because, well, we are very far away from all you guys.  We may head to Flushing in May if the Jones Beach airshow is the same weekend, then we'll think of making the trek down to where you are, along with a list of food my parents would want to get (you get to miss some food that you can't get up here in VT).

Merry Christmas  H^^
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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2009, 07:03:46 PM »
The sick thing about getting your CD plate is that you have to take the test, which is mostly geared toward R/C events and issues, like turbo jets and giant scale weight limits. The good thing is that it's an open-book test, so you can probably find all the answers in the online rulebook...tho a search function would be a huge help. Phone calls to RC CD's you might know would also be helpful. There's an amazing amount of stuff in the rulebook that has nothing to do with CL, but you get tested on it all.

To CD a contest, make a list of things you need. The site, the site insurance for the site owners, sanction, equipment, trophies, & people to help. One of the biggest problems is finding tabulators. Make a list of jobs that need to be done, and take the list to your club meetings and get people to sign up for a job. It doesn't have to be all day, or every day, of a 2 day contest. Organize it for each event. The new rules changes tend to make folks back away from judging and even being Pit Boss. A training session can fix that, and makes a lot of sense. There are some oversights in the rules and official score sheets that need to be fixed before a contest.

Get the Sanction, Site Insurance, and if your club can afford it, trophy plaques from AMA...one stop shopping. Or put somebody in charge of taking pictures of all the entrants with their planes, for framing and making into trophies during the contest. Lots of clubs around here are going with that route, for $ savings. The entrants generally like them better, and the cost is low. If somebody shows up to work, Judge, Tabulate, Pull Test, etc., but not enter the contest, give them one also, with their own picture, as a show of appreciation.   ~> Steve
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Re: District I Clubs and Contests
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2009, 06:29:03 AM »
Hopefully, come summertime, I will be back up to speed and be able to fly a pattern with a decent airplane.  (Note that I didn't say decent pattern.  S?P).

If all goes as planned and I am able to resurrect some of my previous abilities from 35 years ago, I intend to get back into competition.  I look forward to being able to participate in District I contests and may even venture into other areas if it looks like I might stand a chance for last place. :-[

I do have a question though.  Where would I be classed upon returning to the hobby?  I recall being in Expert in the past in those contests that had the field broken down as such.  Most often, it was just one big Open class.
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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2009, 09:24:26 AM »
Good morning Dick, good question.

A lot of returning pilots have the same question, and it's important that they place themselves in the right skill class at the beginning.


Unless the pilot can no longer fly the complete pattern, beginner class would be out for most. Beginner is reserved for those who have yet to master the pattern.

Intermediate, and Advanced are the two most logical choices. Perhaps the best advice is to enter Intermediate for your first contest. You'll know at the end of the contest if you should be in Advanced, or even if you deserve to be in Expert.
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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2009, 11:11:15 AM »
The sick thing about getting your CD plate is that you have to take the test, which is mostly geared toward R/C events and issues, like turbo jets and giant scale weight limits. The good thing is that it's an open-book test, so you can probably find all the answers in the online rulebook...tho a search function would be a huge help. Phone calls to RC CD's you might know would also be helpful. There's an amazing amount of stuff in the rulebook that has nothing to do with CL, but you get tested on it all.
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Steve, first I would like to say that your statements (not quoted) reference preparation and awards are absolutely excellent items.

Now reference the CD exam, when a new CD comes "On Board", without far more bureaucratic work, he/she has to be treated as "generic". When awarding the "Contest Director" rating to any individual AMA cannot determine how that CD license will be used in the future. To have annual, biannual, or such applications would only be mass paperwork and create more bureaucracy, costing AMA (membership) additional monies.

The test is now so very simple, that in all reality, it is not worth much EXCEPT it does require an applicant to research outside of his/her comfort zone and obtain information, plus becoming familiar with certain AMA publications such as the on-line Rule Book and the Membership Manual, along with the AMA Safety Code. The professional (meaning generic active, not for pay) CD will want to become very familiar with these 3 items.
Having the ability to research and find information in the AMA system is what the so-called "test, exam" is all about.

IMO, each AMA member interested in any form of organized aeromodeling should keep these items in their Documents section on their computers. Don't be afraid to check for updates as AMA can change a manual and will make nothing available for the member that does not check every so often. The 2009 MM is an example. I have the early version on my computer. I found a couple mistakes, questioned AMA, the manual was changed and AFAIK, without any notification to anyone. I have both on my computer just in case!!!

When I became a CD back in 1963, there was no help, except the contestants, and many thanks to the contestants in those early years. My first event was a AA FF and CL meet. All helpers were new at the game. Thanks to friendly contestants we muddled through it, and a long trek was begun. It's been a blast for 46 years.

Now I must admit to being the individual that initiated the CD testing program when I was a DVP back in '79-82. Back then the exam was much more conclusive and was administered by the DVPs themselves. Well, within a very short time of my leaving AMA's EC the program fell back into the lap of the Staff and became, IMO, very little as far as the objectives are concerned. OTOH it does bring to the new applicant that there is a world of info. out there that a good CD needs to research and learn, or at least to be able to refer to when needed.

One last point: In an AMA Rule-Book event the contestants know the drills and will mostly be great help to the contest operation. Not so for the typical Fly-In or Fun-Fly where the entrants are not use to a more disciplined atmosphere. The competition-oriented CD will find himself VERY BUSY when he hosts the typical local Fun Fly especially the RC crowd, as good safety operations will be totally a bewilderment to these folks.
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Good luck and Go-do-It,   all you future CDs. You are needed.

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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2009, 05:49:02 PM »
This is where I fly in eastern CT. I tried to post the pics. but had trouble. I put them on my blog if you care to look.
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« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2009, 06:49:57 PM »
Hi Guys,

Well, I found the different forms and such on the AMA website. For example:

CD Application: http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/303.pdf
Event Sanction Application: http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/302.pdf
CD's Report (Form 10): http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/313.pdf
Event Participation List (Form 11): http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/315.pdf

But what I really need to do is make a few phone calls and see where I can help
in the upcoming season, and get the real info what it takes to run a contest.

-Chris

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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2009, 09:50:11 PM »
Hi Guys,

Well, I found the different forms and such on the AMA website. For example:

CD Application: http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/303.pdf
Event Sanction Application: http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/302.pdf
CD's Report (Form 10): http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/313.pdf
Event Participation List (Form 11): http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/315.pdf

But what I really need to do is make a few phone calls and see where I can help
in the upcoming season, and get the real info what it takes to run a contest.

-Chris


Yes, you do need that as the 3 individuals, Open Class AMA members (not necessarily CDs) are stating they are aware of your involvement in event operation. In addition you are certifying that you have organized and conducted events. So you do need to get with CDs or club members where you have been involved with the work, and get their signatures.

You need to get your sanction application in as early as possible for 2 reasons, getting a good date, and to get as many notices as possible in the Model Aviation magazine.

TRICK !  While working to get your CD rating, have another CD to submit a sanction application for your event. When you do get your CD, simply send AMA a Certified, return-receipt Letter, naming you as the official CD. Works fine, BTDT a number of times for new CD applicants.

You will need the application off the web and that is all you need except for maybe a sanction application. When your Sanction comes back from AMA, you will have many forms, probably half of which you will not need, but then AMA can furnish a complete package far easier than trying to do each for an individual specific event. Gives a CD stuff to become better informed on the complete picture.  ;)

Again, Good Luck and Enjoy.
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Re: District 1 Clubs and Contests
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2009, 03:02:10 PM »
Nothing says one has to have a "sanctioned meet" complete with contest Directors etc.... All you need is someone to organize the event....  When I first started the Hampton Beach "Fly In"   we didn't even have a AMA sanction.  I made sure we had a site and had the proper insurance.   I invited many of my friends from the East coast up to Hampton Beach for a weekend of flying and fun.  Yah we had trophies and an unofficial contest, but most of the weekend was about a group of people getting together to fly and party.


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