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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Claudio Chacon on December 17, 2012, 10:02:02 AM
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Hi guys,
Want to see the "begginer" flying?
Click here! :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8Osv5LgJc0
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Wow!!! Not bad for just starting a few months ago. Took me about three-four years to get to that level!!!!
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That's not just notable because it's Chip Hyde, 2013's Beginner with The Most Potential.
It's notable because it's a really good video of a CLPA flight! The camera is located almost where the judges would be, there's not too much clutter in the background, and the camera is far enough back that he's catching most of the flight hemisphere.
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I saw Chip fly a couple of months ago at a local contest, he was already flying at an advance level. You say so what? That was after only five weeks of practice! From that video he is now flying at an expert level and it has not even been a full year since he first picked up a handle.
You might say that just not possible. Well I first became aware of Chip in 1984 at the Reno Nats, he was 12 years old then and was flying in the Masters level of R/C pattern. Masters was the equivalent of what we would call the top level experts. When he was finshed winning everything in R/C pattern, he moved on to R/C helicopter where he dominated that field, then on to R/C formula 1 racing and became a dominate force there. He told me he took up control line because he had nothing more to prove in R/C and wanted to be a world champion in control line. Anybody else and you might laugh them off, but believe me Chip Hyde is a force to be reckoned with in the world of flying models, that's any kind of flying model.
Andy
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You might say that just not possible. Well I first became aware of Chip in 1984 at the Reno Nats, he was 12 years old then and was flying in the Masters level of R/C pattern. Masters was the equivalent of what we would call the top level experts. When he was finshed winning everything in R/C pattern, he moved on to R/C helicopter where he dominated that field, then on to R/C formula 1 racing and became a dominate force there. He told me he took up control line because he had nothing more to prove in R/C and wanted to be a world champion in control line. Anybody else and you might laugh them off, but believe me Chip Hyde is a force to be reckoned with in the world of flying models, that's any kind of flying model.
Any kind of flying model? Indoor FF even?
I'm waiting to see how this guy does. I think "very well indeed" is going to be an understatement, but I think he's going to add a fun subplot to 2013-2016 or so.
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Tim
I really think if he set his mind to indoor or FF he would do well. By the way, he is not your typical R/C ARF flyer. He also builds his planes. But you do make a point, his skill and success come from his ability to match eyes, hands, and timing to make good things happen.
Andy
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Very impressive! Chip is now a member here, I just approved his account. ;D
Bill
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I think that all modeling and flying has things in common. When I started learning to fly R/C Pattern back in the late 60's, I had no problem learning to fly inverted as I had been doing it in control line. And building planes is building planes no matter what they are. Glad to see Chip flying control line because I think he will enjoy it alot. I think it is his love of modeling that has been his motivation, along with mucho talent.
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Jim K. and Bob H.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to two people I like to call "Good Friends". Jim I had the same experiance when I learned to fly inverted in R/C, I didn't really have to learn it because I had been doing if for so long in control line. It just came naturally. Bob, I could not have said it better, "there is a new kid in town". I only met him the one time, but I think you guys will really like him. I look forward to a shoot out between you guys and Chip, it should be quite a show.
Andy
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I was impressed with the flying, but wished that the lighting was better, and that the camera had been tripod mounted..."panning" with the camera is always a bad idea, tho this time it was done better than most. I left a comment on YouTube under my user name there, "StuntPosse". You're welcome to agree or not. D>K Steve
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Very Impressive! Seems he chose the Pathfinder and modified just the lines to resemble a Shark. Very good choice indeed !
Martin
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I believe all of Chips success over the years in the various formays of model flying has been because of advanced good luck brought on by being born in a bed of eight leaf clovers! Just my opinion. n~ LL~ H^^
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I believe all of Chips success over the years in the various formays of model flying has been because of advanced good luck brought on by being born in a bed of eight leaf clovers! Just my opinion. n~ LL~ H^^
...or just plain ol' hard work and dedication.
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Well, Pilgrim...
It's always just a matter of time before some pistol-totin' gunslinger comes to town and wants to face the fastest.
I see some smooth moves there, coupled with a lot of confidence!
Thanks for that video. My wife and I watched it with great interest...
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I believe all of Chips success over the years in the various formays of model flying has been because of advanced good luck brought on by being born in a bed of eight leaf clovers! Just my opinion. n~ LL~ H^^
...or just plain ol' hard work and dedication.
12 year old kids don't buy lots of RC equipment and drive themselves to practice flights and contests. Chip clearly lucked out in the Great Parental Lottery.
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I'll give Chip a lot of credit for competitive drive and tremendous eye-hand coordination. Good parental heritage, not money, but genes. I can count on the fingers of one hand the top notch juniors who had their parents behind them who mastered more than one event, much less four. If he wants to become the CLPA world champion I don't see anything stopping him.
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Darn good flight...Too darn quite. Oh yeah!...No smoke. :)
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For me, the really exciting thing is the technical mojo he is planning on bringing to stunt. He and his F3A boys are planning some serious juju for F2B. Given his background, that fact that he would excel quickly is almost a given.
It's when he starts building is when the sparks are really going to fly,(hmm, unintentional pun there). My guess is when he's finished kickin butt in F2B, he will move on to Peanut Scale and terrorize their ranks!!
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It will be intertesting to watch this development.
I'm just sick of the RC guys telling me "How far in the dark ages C/L Stunt is"
Our developmental work to push the boundaries of performance is just as relivant as theirs - this whole " RC guys will dominate with technical superiority" is just plain wrong.
Good old fashion trim ( No digital trim or bias ) Build light - practice hard and you can succeed.
However.......
I do know Chip hyde is a BRILLIANT pilot and the video clearly shows he knows geometry and whats required to get the model to where it needs to be - but If CL stunt was easy we'd all be multiple Nats champions.
I heard a rumor that that Chip Hyde used to fly CL way back...
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Very cool video...
Marcus
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Again I am going to do it. He diod put up a great flight on lthe video. But, he still needs work to be National Champion in Open or even in World competition. But, seeing him grow up in R/C competition and the backing he has had, he is going to do it. I hope his coaches can catch the bad spots I seen. The plane is working for him and looks like all he needs is practice, coaching and some contests under his C/L belt. Of course with his years of competition he should not let anything bother him. Even if you try to pull a psych job on him, like, do you still breathe while doing the loops?
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Who doesn't need work to be National Champion in Open or even World competition??
The guy just started flying flying control line PA for cryin out loud.
Hell, I fly expert on the west coast, (bottom feeder) and this flight would spank me and half of the experts at a local contest.
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you to Andy, and all you other stunt guys out there.
Chips dad Merle, was no slouch at flying R/C pattern flying either. But the great guy and father that he is he kind of took a back seat to Chip and worked with him to help him to become the champion that he is. I think Chip would agree that his dad deserves mucho credit for his success.
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For me, the really exciting thing is the technical mojo he is planning on bringing to stunt. He and his F3A boys are planning some serious juju for F2B. Given his background, that fact that he would excel quickly is almost a given.
I would think a big advantage in something like going from extremely successful in RC pattern to CL stunt is that you wouldn't have the sort of mental blocks that seem to make so many people get hung up at one level. There are so many people in stunt who are convinced they are one slight step from winning the NATs, that they tend to start looking for the "one thing" they need. When in fact they are miles away. Of course, when they find "something" and it turns out to not be the one thing they needed, they get frustrated. It either makes people quit, or it takes them off track into conspiracy theories, worrying about impression points, trying to figure out "what the judges like", cheerleading various technology tricks, and associated nonsense. We see it here all the time.
There is a HUGE gulf of knowledge and skill between a competitive local expert flier and a David Fitzgerald/Paul Walker/Ted Fancher. Most people who haven't done it cannot believe how big a gulf that is. I am sure that the same thing can happen in Pattern. Someone who has gone through something similar should be able to avoid getting into that sort of rut.
Brett
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There is a HUGE gulf of knowledge and skill between a competitive local expert flier and a David Fitzgerald/Paul Walker/Ted Fancher. Most people who haven't done it cannot believe how big a gulf that is.
I've done it, and I believe it.
H. Rush,
Competitive Local "Expert"
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There is a HUGE gulf of knowledge and skill between a competitive local expert flier and a David Fitzgerald/Paul Walker/Ted Fancher. Most people who haven't done it cannot believe how big a gulf that is. I am sure that the same thing can happen in Pattern. Someone who has gone through something similar should be able to avoid getting into that sort of rut.
Brett
As usual Brett you are dead on. I know Bob Whitely personally, and I can tell you that he is better a trimming at plane then I am, (and I think I am pretty good). I know a lot, but he knows more, and that’s all there is too it. What Bob was able to pick up about a plane I was flying, took him exactly half a lap to discern. That same problem would have taken me anywhere from two to three flights to pick up on.
I got busted with my parents for running my diesel engine in the house when I was six years old but, Randy Smith still knows more about engines then I do, (he has Fox 35 on pipe). For crying out load, I never even thought about putting a pipe on a Fox much less actually doing it. Anybody can be a big gun in stunt but you are going to have to put the same amount of energy and TLC that the top guns do. That’s just the way it is, and that is EXACTLY THE WAY I LIKE IT!
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12 year old kids don't buy lots of RC equipment and drive themselves to practice flights and contests. Chip clearly lucked out in the Great Parental Lottery.
So did the Van Halen boys, didn't mean they suck.
Chris...
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So did the Van Halen boys, didn't mean they suck.
I didn't say Chip sucked; not in the least. I just said that he was lucky in his parents, in response to someone posting that it was all hard work and ability on Chip's part. There are plenty of parents out there who wouldn't, or couldn't, provide the support that Chip got -- if he'd had that sort of parent, then it would have taken him much longer, if ever, to realize his potential. As it was, he had a supportive dad who put his own RC Pattern flying aside to help Chip. It's a testament to Chip that he did so well, and a testament to his dad that Chip did so well so early.
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That's not just notable because it's Chip Hyde, 2013's Beginner with The Most Potential.
It's notable because it's a really good video of a CLPA flight! The camera is located almost where the judges would be, there's not too much clutter in the background, and the camera is far enough back that he's catching most of the flight hemisphere.
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A good lesson in Camera work! Nice video.
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" There is a HUGE gulf of knowledge and skill between a competitive local expert flier and a David Fitzgerald/Paul Walker/Ted Fancher. Most people who haven't done it cannot believe how big a gulf that is. "
Got to agree with that !!!!
The better I get the less I thought I knew before..
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" There is a HUGE gulf of knowledge and skill between a competitive local expert flier and a David Fitzgerald/Paul Walker/Ted Fancher. Most people who haven't done it cannot believe how big a gulf that is. "
Got to agree with that !!!!
The better I get the less I thought I knew before..
Hi PJ,
It is my long held belief (after witnessing several NATS and a Worlds) is that there are maybe a dozen pilots in the US who are heads and shoulders above the rest. Among themselves it is a toss up as to who would win any given meet. Yet, there are a hundred, or more, pilots who fly "Expert" locally. While they are capable of winning in their own region, they are not capable of winning the NATS for various and sundry reasons. Good guys who are decent pilots, yet something is missing.
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
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Remains to be seen. Southwest Regionals coming up, Jan. 26-27. Chip Hyde may be flying in that one. Results are of course pending, but from what I've seen, I wouldn't bet against him.
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Hi PJ,
It is my long held belief (after witnessing several NATS and a Worlds) is that there are maybe a dozen pilots in the US who are heads and shoulders above the rest. Among themselves it is a toss up as to who would win any given meet. Yet, there are a hundred, or more, pilots who fly "Expert" locally. While they are capable of winning in their own region, they are not capable of winning the NATS for various and sundry reasons. Good guys who are decent pilots, yet something is missing.
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
While there may be some knowledge gulf between the very best experts and the local hack experts like me that is not what pevents all of us from becoming world champions. I know local type experts that have all the knowledge that the Big Guys posess, that can trim airplanes with the best of them and can build with the best of them but will never be National or World champions no matter how badly they want it or how hard they try.
The magic missing ingredient is TALENT, that inborn spark and physical ability to excell at some things that not all folks posess equally in a given field of endeavor.
Most people could take voice lessons for a hundred years and never sing like Luciano Pavorotti. Most of us could run and throw a football for a hundred years and never be a John Elway. Or more importantly to this conversation...fly a million patterns with Paul Walkers airplane and still never be able to beat him.
Simple talent always defines the limit to which anyone will excell at any given endeavor. Yes some portion of that limit may be overcome with hard work and desire, but never all of it. The people who have the talent will always excell to a higher level with the same hard work and desire.
As Dirty Harry said..."A man should know his limitations". Of course that doesn't mean one shouldn't try. I still believe in Miracles.
Chip Hyde, I believe is one of those folks that has all the talent required to become a Champion in CL Stunt. Whether he does or not is of course up to him.
He learns very fast and listens to input and more importantly has the TALENT to use that input.
He's not ready yet to fly with the Big Boys and he knows it. One of the worst things for him at this point would be to get discouraged and move on to something else. Personally I don't think that will happen. He's a very determined young man and has the talent to excell. He just needs time to develop it. Fortunately I believe he will do that at warp speed.
Randy Cuberly
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Remains to be seen. Southwest Regionals coming up, Jan. 26-27. Chip Hyde may be flying in that one.
Unless the weather looks bad (it's been GREAT the last couple of SWR's I went to) so will Jim and I. Everybody should come, it's a great contest. I even got on TV the last time I was there. THAT's certainly what the world needed!
Brett
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Unless the weather looks bad (it's been GREAT the last couple of SWR's I went to) so will Jim and I. Everybody should come, it's a great contest. I even got on TV the last time I was there. THAT's certainly what the world needed!
Brett
The weather this year has been pretty good. It's been a little cold lately, but of course for us Arizonans that means 55-60 degrees. We usually have pretty good flying weather around January and February but like everything else we get dumped on once in a while. We certainly have a bigger helping of the good stuff than most areas of the country at this time of the year.
I look forward to seeing you again at the Regionals.
Randy Cuberly
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The "experts" are going to have something to worry about in short order. I can't remember seeing that good a pattern.