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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Larry Fernandez on May 30, 2012, 07:02:18 PM
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Here she is in all her glory.
All rubbed out and ready to go!!!
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Wow!! That is awesome. Very nice!
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That is AWESOME! I love the cowling, the paintwork, and everything about it!
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That is AWESOME! I love the cowling, the paintwork, and everything about it!
The cowl and the pipe tunnel scoop were a nightmare. I had to make three cowls before I got it right, cussing Ted the whole time.
Larry, Buttafuccco Stunt Team
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That is AWESOME!!
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YOWSERS!!!!! That is COOL..... shame its gonna get fuel residue on it!!
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Just to continue the trend - That is AWESOME!!!
(Extra exclamation mark denotes originality.)
But seriously, very nice model mate - or in your case 'checkmate.'
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Very nice. Front row.
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VERY NICE!!! y1 I like the oil drain "hatch" detail on the bottom of the cowl, ain't no 'lectric in there! n1 ;D
Awesome looking model Larry! y1 BW@
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YOWSERS!!!!! That is COOL..... shame its gonna get fuel residue on it!!
No problem. With rear exhaust and four or five coats of wax, minimal residue that wipes right off.
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Just to be different...
I dont like it.... all that flawless detailed line work, the subtle colours, the buff, the cowl and pipe tunnel work - its too over the top..... lets just overlook how well it flows from front to back thats just a distraction to the rest of the problems it has...
I akin this seeing 1 million dollars on the ground, you cant pick it all up - and its to much for one man.
What are you trying to build a front row ship? Thats not what the Buttafucco Stunt Team are all about.
Very dissapointed..
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Larry : The cowl and the pipe tunnel scoop were a nightmare. I had to make three cowls before I got it right, cussing Ted the whole time.
Im just finishing up my cowl work as we speak... it went quite well.. but I still cursed Ted just coz.. mw~
.... even though I dont like it...... I dont like Rich people with Ferrari's either.. doesnt mean its not superbly executed it just means i want it and I cant have it .. so I don't like it.
Where is AvaioJet when you need him..... would be nice to point out what a REAL front row plane looks like.
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Just to be different...
I dont like it...... lets just overlook how well it flows from front to back thats just a distraction to the rest of the problems it has...
I am so happy that someone picked up on this detail.
Curt Contrada won the Concourse, Pilots Choice Award at the 2000 NATs. I talked with him at length about paint schemes and how they should flow and give the illusion of forward motion. Also how important it is to have trim colors that flow with the shapes of the plane. He pointed out that trim colors should not clash but compliment. I think his exact words were" I want it to be flashy but not gawdy" I think about that conversation with Curt, everytime I lay out a paint scheme. I hope Curt gets a chance to see this, and gives me a thumbs up. Just so he knows that the time he spent with me wasn't a waste of his time.
Thanks Curt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
P.S. I'm not quite certain, but I believe I was told that Curt happens to be a graphics designer. (which would explain his awesome work)
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The cowl and the pipe tunnel scoop were a nightmare. I had to make three cowls before I got it right, cussing Ted the whole time.
Larry, Buttafuccco Stunt Team
I know the same feeling! I redid my cowling to my Trivial Pursuit about 3 times as well.
With all that great paint work, what did the weight come out to?
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F$%KIN AWESOME!!!! ;D
Derek
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That's a TWENTY POINTER for sure !!!!
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Awso... oh wait... needs more oomph....got it!
That was totally wicked! 8)
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Larry, that is totally awesome, of course that has been stated already. Would love to see it in person, but, then you would have to wipe all the slobbers off of it. LL~ LL~ Now I await the flight reports. H^^
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Where is AvaioJet when you need him..... would be nice to point out what a REAL front row plane looks like.
PJ,
Don't be silly, I know what front row models look like. n~
I'm glad I'm on your mind and I'm also glad you took the shot at me. Tells me a great deal about you and your character.
PJ. Do you have children?
Did, or do you tell them they cannot accomplish what others accomplish?
Were you told this?
Are these people "Gods" that build front row models? I think not, just men like you and me.
I love the movies and I love quoting lines from movies. Here's the line and you can guess the movie.
"What one man can do, another can do."
I was a Military brat, we moved around quite a bit, even coast to coast. Obviously I didn't see my Dad a great deal in those early years, but when I did see him, he would always tell me the same thing, repeatedly.
It was something I would repeat to my children as they were growing up. I always believed this was of importance and interest. My Father was a very smart man.
He would say, "Son, don't ever think your not the smartest person in the room."
My dad, like myself and now my children, know that income, vocations and abilities have nothing to do with intelligence.
I may just design and build a model called "Jealously." Yes, it will be front row quality.
Blessings,
Charles
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That is...beyond any doubt...an OUTSTANDING piece of work. 8)
If this plane flies as good as it looks, it's gonna be a serial killer! %^
Watch out guys!
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PJ,
Don't be silly, I know what front row models look like. n~
I may just design and build a model called "Jealously." Yes, it will be front row quality.
Charles
Charles,
I think you are missing the point here.
The reason you catch so much grief when you say that you can, or have built front row models is because, to my knowledge, you have never been to a Nats or appearance judging at the Nats. So, to say you know what a front row model is is not true. You may have a good idea what a front row model is, but you do not "Know" what a front row model is. A nice plane or even a very nice plane does not mean that it will be "Front Row".
To say you have built or can build to this level is perceived as a slap in the face to those who actually have done it.
"Front Row" is not a term that you can use to describe your own models it is a term that other people must assign your model.
You can't go around claiming that you build front row models unless you have done it, and a 30 year old RC plane does not count with this group of people.
Derek
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What a beauty! Fine work.
L.
"Shredded cabbage goes great with shredded carrots and mayonnaise." -Cole's Law
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No problem. With rear exhaust and four or five coats of wax, minimal residue that wipes right off.
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
Yo Larry,
Wanna tell the boyz the "river of red" story? It's a goodie! VD~
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Charles,
I think you are missing the point here.
The reason you catch so much grief when you say that you can, or have built front row models is because, to my knowledge, you have never been to a Nats or appearance judging at the Nats. So, to say you know what a front row model is is not true. You may have a good idea what a front row model is, but you do not "Know" what a front row model is. A nice plane or even a very nice plane does not mean that it will be "Front Row".
To say you have built or can build to this level is perceived as a slap in the face to those who actually have done it.
"Front Row" is not a term that you can use to describe your own models it is a term that other people must assign your model.
You can't go around claiming that you build front row models unless you have done it, and a 30 year old RC plane does not count with this group of people.
Derek
Well said, Derek..
Beautiful bird Larry.
Why the * after the 3 ?
Would like to see a close up of the elevator acess panel.
Is this a TP ? What motor ?
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Larry:
Beautiful!
I'd love to see you write a "travelogue" of the finishing process. What you did, how you did it, and the order of adding each element of the design.
Scott
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I know the same feeling! I redid my cowling to my Trivial Pursuit about 3 times as well.
With all that great paint work, what did the weight come out to?
Gee Matt, that's kinda like asking a women how old she is or how much she weighs. Kinda personal don't ya think?? mw~ mw~
OK, since you asked, and I'm not proud to say this, she weighs 64 oz as she sits.
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Gee Matt, that's kinda like asking a women how old she is or how much she weighs. Kinda personal don't ya think?? mw~ mw~
Hahaha, just a little bit ;D
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Matts to young to know what a woman is... let alone the subtley in dealing with them.
Larry knows I think its amazing and that was all just a chuckle.. I get inspired by guys like Larry and Claudio, who are
modern day Ted Fanchers.
Charles ; No I dont have children - WAY to young for that - who do you think I am Derek Barry?
Yes your on my mind constantly - every cut of wood I make, I think I hope this passes the AviaJet test - Im sick of trying to impress guys like Walker, buck and Barry with fancy tiger paint jobs..
Keep it simple, keep it front row, keep it 80's RC, thats my motto. y1
Derek : You have alot of opinions of whats Front Row and what isnt, considering you have only won the Concouse once....... 8)
its called Checkmate 3... bescaue this is not the First brilliant Checkmate to come out that Buttafucco Stunt Team factory...
Once again Larry; well done..... and as a graphic designer I can say it flows great.
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I will say this about the front row. Its hard to get there! Lots of great airplanes on the floor.
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Who cares about twenty points...that plane is HOT!!!
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Charles,
I think you are missing the point here.
The reason you catch so much grief when you say that you can, or have built front row models is because, to my knowledge, you have never been to a Nats or appearance judging at the Nats. So, to say you know what a front row model is is not true. You may have a good idea what a front row model is, but you do not "Know" what a front row model is. A nice plane or even a very nice plane does not mean that it will be "Front Row".
To say you have built or can build to this level is perceived as a slap in the face to those who actually have done it.
"Front Row" is not a term that you can use to describe your own models it is a term that other people must assign your model.
You can't go around claiming that you build front row models unless you have done it, and a 30 year old RC plane does not count with this group of people.
Derek
Derek nailed this one right on the head.
Years back, I thought that I was a pretty fair builder. Until I stated flying with the likes of the late Jim Tichy, Phil Granderson, Jim Aron, Ted Fancher, Ray Firkins and Jerry Silver. After seeing their work, I didn't think that I was such a fair builder after all. Every year, Phil and Uncle Jimby raise the bar a little higher
and its getting harder and harder to keep up with them.
One observation I have made, is that most planes will look pretty good from ten feet. But the closer you get to them, the more flaws you will see.
When you look at the planes of those I mentioned above, the closer you get to them, the more intricate detail you will see.
The perfect cowl fit, the perfect gaps between the flaps and flap fairings, perfect fillets, no paint bleed on the trim colors and no overspray,no wood grain showing and no texture from silkspan. All of this, and I haven't even mentioned a mirror like finish.
At the next contest, take a close look at the front row planes and look for the details I am speaking of, then look at the follow up rows to see what separates them from the best. When you can notice these little details, you can then implement them into you own building techniques and you will be on your way to the front row as well.
Oh and thanks for all the compliments, even you P J, sorry you don't like her. Maybe on the next one I'll airbrush some tiger stripes H^^ H^^
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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I do like it very much..
I was just being irreverant. Slow work days yeild that occasionally.
I do like the lines ALOT - Simple Awesome.
When you see my new one you will understand why I like yours so much. Its Excellent..
How about this - Im not going to say thats Front row
How about simply Top Shelf Amazing.
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I do like it very much..
I was just being irreverant. Slow work days yeild that occasionally.
I do like the lines ALOT - Simple Awesome.
When you see my new one you will understand why I like yours so much. Its Excellent..
How about this - Im not going to say thats Front row
How about simply Top Shelf Amazing.
P J , I know exactlly what you were saying. I was just being a smart ass.
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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I have seen the front row..........from WAY far in the back of the pack! HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA
Seriously, the fit and finish on the close up of the nose shows full well this plane is the TOPS when it comes a complete and flawless fit and finish.
There is no doubt this plane will sit up front where ever it goes.
Way to go!!
I have seen that same scenario Larry talks about, better and more outstanding finishes year after year, around here. Bob G. used to up his bar every year. I think it was in 2003, he made the front row and the INSIDE of his cowl was painted to match the outside AND he rubbed it out!
VERY NICE MODEL LARRY!!! VERY NICE!!!
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Uh...May...Zing.
Even if I had nothing else to do all day I couldn't come up with something like this model.
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Joey, Joey, Joey
You are at the front
Of Fine Art Stunt World
But I still hold the record
For 'Geezer Fox Hurl'
CONGRATULATIONS!
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Well said, Derek..
Beautiful bird Larry.
Why the * after the 3 ?
Would like to see a close up of the elevator acess panel.
Is this a TP ? What motor ?
Hi Allen.
This will explain the asterick.
Its much smaller than a Trivial Pursuit. I used a Vector wing, modified for wing mounted landing gear. Everything else is me, with a lot of input from the local big shots.
Power is a bar stock R O Jett .61 with the Brett Buck tune.
I hope to fly tomorrow. (I still get the big time jitters when flying a new plane)
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That really is nice! About that first flight-do what I do, take the second or third flight first. Truly, if you've gotten the ship pretty well bench-trimmed it will go fine-no worries! Enjoy it.
Dave
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Hey Larry: tell us about the finish materials.
Dope or auto ?
Which ever you obviously have it pretty well figured out.
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Hi Allen.
This will explain the asterick.
Its much smaller than a Trivial Pursuit. I used a Vector wing, modified for wing mounted landing gear. Everything else is me, with a lot of input from the local big shots.
Power is a bar stock R O Jett .61 with the Brett Buck tune.
I hope to fly tomorrow. (I still get the big time jitters when flying a new plane)
Where would that be, Lawrence? I might come by, if nothing else to be in the sunlight for a change.
Brett
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Hey Larry: tell us about the finish materials.
Dope or auto ?
Which ever you obviously have it pretty well figured out.
The prep was done with Certified clear dope. Filler coats were Certified clear with zinc sterate. Fillets are Sig Epoxo-lite.
Colors were shot with Sig dope and the final clear coats were Certified clear.
After sitting a couple of weeks for the dope to gas off and shrink, it was then color sanded with 1500 and then 2000 paper.
Final rub was with 3M Finesse-it II Finishing Material 05928.
Two coats of Mothers Carnubara Paste Wax and then sealed up with Mothers Hand Glaze.
From the first coats brushed on, to the final rub took about four months.
And yes, it was well worth the time and effort. I hope she gets to sit next to PTG's and Uncle Jimby's birds.
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Where would that be, Lawrence? I might come by, if nothing else to be in the sunlight for a change.
Brett
Gilroy High School.
Oh great, just what I need to go with my first flight jitters, Brett Buck and the local "Peanut Gallery"
I'll call you later.
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Gilroy High School.
Oh great, just what I need to go with my first flight jitters, Brett Buck and the local "Peanut Gallery"
Well, to ease your fears, I can only say what Ted said to me right before my first 2006 NATs flyoff flight - "for God's sake, don't screw up"!
Brett
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Well, to ease your fears, I can only say what Ted said to me right before my first 2006 NATs flyoff flight - "for God's sake, don't screw up"!
Brett
Most exellent advice indeed. As I recall, you took his profound advice, and it served you quite well.
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Wow, a tiny plane with huge horses under the hood! It gives me improper thoughts about what to do with the set of Vector ribs that Wynn gave me!
I should probably concentrate on the ones I have in progress...
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Doug :
" Bob G. used to up his bar every year. "
Really? Even at his age ?
Well there you have it.. :o
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Most exellent advice indeed. As I recall, you took his profound advice, and it served you quite well.
He said this almost immediately after he left out his hourglass on *his* first flight.
Brett
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Gee - If I had a Nats champion say " Hey I might come down and watch your first flight" id say " Ill have my driver collect you shortly... "
What an offer, your quite lucky.
Brett might even have insight into your engine run/tune..
From what they tell me he has come across one before.
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Gee - If I had a Nats champion say " Hey I might come down and watch your first flight" id say " Ill have my driver collect you shortly... "
What an offer, your quite lucky.
Quite lucky indeed!!!!
Having the good fortune of flying with Brett, Ted and Dave, has made myself and numerous other fliers, from beginners to expert alike, much better stunt pilots. Which is why it pisses me off to no end, to hear others refer to them as elitist. You have no idea how much of their time they have given to others.
Not to mention all the props, plugs, fuel and whatever else someone may need five minutes before an official flight. I will never be able to thank them enough.
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Matts to young to know what a woman is... let alone the subtley in dealing with them.
95% of the women I talk to are my age +/- two or three years. And I know what a woman is ;)
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I will tell you exactly WHY they (might) do that..
A few reasons :
1: Its difficult enough to be on top of this event even when everything is perfect.... its just too damn hard, so it makes no difference to these guys. No-one is seen as a threat; just fresh potential challengers. That crew love nothing more than fresh challenges, keeps everyone raising the bar.
2: There is no greater satsifaction that helping someone else acheive goals, once you have had success yourself.
3: I have only met 2 Top tier Stunt fliers who would not offer assistance to anyone else..I've most of the worlds top guys.
4: NO-ONE I repeat NO-ONE wants to win a contest becasue someone who COULD have outflown them couldnt put their best foot forward due to mechanical or technical issues. We all want to win fair and square in the air , whats the best you can do, whats the best I can do..
Imagine if Dave Fitz was leading the Nats by 5 points going into the final flight -and was having engine issues ( Wouldnt happen but hypotetically ) I can guarentee the guy who was in 2nd place would do anything in his power to render assistance.... Pretty much all top Stunt guys are like that.
Well the ones we dub so called "elitist "
Enjoy - look forward to the inflight reports.
" 95% of the women I talk to are my age +/- two or three years. And I know what a woman is - Matt Colan "
Of course you know what a woman is... no-one needs to know you have those magazines.
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Glad to hear that Matt, also hope you realize they cost more than model planes and cars. LL~ LL~
Larry, I seen the word elitest used and I used to be in awe of the well known competitiors. But, with age and getting to know them, I come to realize they are people just like the rest of us. I was humbled when a young man at the NATS one year wanted my autograph because my pic was in the magazine. Yes, I signed the page and thanked him.
I am also glad I am not an appearance judge at the NATS or any contest. H^^
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First flight
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Hooray!!! Anything with the R0 Jett .61 flies great
Dave.
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Hooray!!! Anything with the R0 Jett .61 flies great
Dave.
The RO Jett runs great, the plane needs work.
Thanks again Brett. I hope you let me buy you lunch next time we get together.
Larry Buttafucco Stunt Team
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The prep was done with Certified clear dope. Filler coats were Certified clear with zinc sterate. Fillets are Sig Epoxo-lite.
Colors were shot with Sig dope and the final clear coats were Certified clear.
After sitting a couple of weeks for the dope to gas off and shrink, it was then color sanded with 1500 and then 2000 paper.
Final rub was with 3M Finesse-it II Finishing Material 05928.
Two coats of Mothers Carnubara Paste Wax and then sealed up with Mothers Hand Glaze.
From the first coats brushed on, to the final rub took about four months.
Wow, an all dope job. Now I am even more impressed.
4 months, any idea of how many hours ?
Fantastic finishing job... H^^
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The RO Jett runs great, the plane needs work.
Thanks again Brett. I hope you let me buy you lunch next time we get together.
Larry Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Looking great Larry - when you get it figured out I'd sure like to know your engine setup details...may save me a lot of time setting up my Ro-Jett powered, soon to be flown latest project. And yes, Dave, Brett, Ted, etc. are certainly "Elite" but in no way "Elitist". 8)
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Looking great Larry - when you get it figured out I'd sure like to know your engine setup details...may save me a lot of time setting up my Ro-Jett powered, soon to be flown latest project. And yes, Dave, Brett, Ted, etc. are certainly "Elite" but in no way "Elitist". 8)
Hi Pete, I'll call you later. I dont want bore everyone here with the details. I set it up as per Mr. Buck and it runs just AWESOME.
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Looking great Larry - when you get it figured out I'd sure like to know your engine setup details...may save me a lot of time setting up my Ro-Jett powered, soon to be flown latest project.
http://www.clstunt.com/htdocs/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=232053&mesg_id=232053&listing_type=search
or the article David and I put in SN.
Brett
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Looking great Larry - when you get it figured out I'd sure like to know your engine setup details...may save me a lot of time setting up my Ro-Jett powered, soon to be flown latest project. And yes, Dave, Brett, Ted, etc. are certainly "Elite" but in no way "Elitist". 8)
Exactly as Brett posted above, except I am using Powermaster RO Jett blend. I'm not sure of its make up but the motor seems to like it just fine.
I will add that at 10,000 rpm the plane flew a tad slow but the motor was very happy at that RPM. I will try a 4.0 pitch next, as I want the motor to run at that RPM.
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Thanks Brett and Larry. I actually set up my engine/pipe IAW that article (Stunt News Special Edition December 2009). It is nice to know that I'm on the right track. 8)
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Again, really gorgeous bird Larry and congrats on the maiden flight. I am sure you will get her sorted out.
It always made me cringe when I heard the "elitest" remarks but after so many years it just cracks me up! Back when a PA61 on pipe was a new thang, David and Brett helped me sort things out, at the Nats, when they both had their own best interests to attend to. I was always over or under primed and David went over to the grass and showed me his routine as well as turning me onto his set-up for the motor ( which worked flawlessly). Brett came down to my room that same night and showed me his tried and true method for a header seal with a full demo and install on my bird. Hardly elitest in any way shape or form. Cripes the countless hours of written word Brett and Ted and many others have spent on this forum and others giving sage advice (over a decades worth) should be counted as priceless info for those with the sense to listen and or read. What hooey! LL~
H^^ to all and good luck as I sit out yet another season.