Author Topic: Cardinette (Read 4285 times)

Brad B · « **on:** August 31, 2008, 04:17:22 PM »

A few months ago I read about the cardinette, I was wondering if the kit was going to be available from Brodak soon. I looked on their site for the plans but I couldn't find them. I have a brand spanking new Saito 30 just itching to go in something, and I really like the thought of a little Cardinal. It looked GREAT.
Please let me know what the status is.
Thanks, "B"

Garf · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2008, 05:14:22 PM »

I've been looking at this one myself. I hadn't heard about a Brodak kit.

Bill Morell · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2008, 05:26:10 PM »

Why not just contact Brodak yourself?

Brad B · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2008, 05:39:15 PM »

I did, no answer as of yet. That is why I asked here. I was hoping Bob may have an answer for me.

Robert Zambelli · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2008, 07:39:43 PM »

Brad - I just posted this on SSW.

"Gents - at this point there is no decision as to whether a kit will be offered.

I'm still waiting to evaluate the ARF/ARC variants.

John does indeed have the plans available. You may not find them on the website but they do exist - I did them in AutoCad 2000.

If a kit is not offered, you can and should build the Cardinette from the plans - it's an incredibly easy plane to build. I built the prototype in less than a week and that included the take-apart feature which is not really needed. I also wrote a feature article for CL World, detailing the build procedure.

It would truly be a perfect home for the SAITO 30, my all-time favorite engine.

I brought it to the 2008 Fly-In for people to play with but a death in the family dictated an early departure.

I've had many flights on the Cardinette and it turned out to be quite a performer. Mine has flown with the B-25 and Surpass 26. I do plan to try it with the SAITO 30 at some time.

Bob Z."

Wynn Robins · « **Reply #5 on:** August 31, 2008, 08:59:27 PM »

you can just scale down the Cardinal Evo40 plans and build from there

Robert Zambelli · « **Reply #6 on:** September 01, 2008, 06:06:46 AM »

Wynn - basically, that's all I did.
Bob Z.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #7 on:** September 01, 2008, 07:43:11 AM »

Well I got tired of waiting for Brodak to make up his mind to make the kit, arf/arc or full kit. Ordered plans way last spring and building the shop got in the way of finishing it. It is ready for the covering and finish. It will be powered by the little 4c I have. More later, DOC Holliday

Brad B · « **Reply #8 on:** September 01, 2008, 09:18:04 AM »

Thanks for the info. B

Wynn Robins · « **Reply #9 on:** September 01, 2008, 09:07:32 PM »

Brad, I'll e-mail you the plan tomorrow

steve pagano · « **Reply #10 on:** September 01, 2008, 09:10:20 PM »

Can some one tell me the wing span and wing area?
This sounds like a real fun aircraft to build!!!!!

Steve P.

Robert Zambelli · « **Reply #11 on:** September 02, 2008, 07:00:17 AM »

Hi, Steve - yes, it is fun to build and fly. EASY, in fact.

The wingspan is 44 3/4 inches, 9 3/4 chord, and approximately 435 square inches, including the flaps.

The weight as shown is 31.9 ounces. It has the Surpass 26 installed.

As shown, it flys perfectly with the Master airscrew 9-6, on 52 x .012 lines. I use Brodak 10/23 exclusively and have never had and run problems.
I think the plug is some generic 4S plug, possibly a K&B. (I have tried just about every 4S plug on the market and have yet to find any difference.)
A narrow non-uniflow, atmospheric vented 2 3/4 ounce tank is fine for the B-25 but too much fuel for the Surpass. I have tried uniflow and I do not care for it.

The interesting thing is I have never trimmed it. It flew so well that I did not see any need.
As you might wonder about balance, since I was experimenting with the B-25 and Surpass 26, I made two sets of mounting holes. The 25 installs approximately .9 inch further forward than the 26. Balance is perfect with both. Of course, as individuals prefer different flying characteristics, the CG might be shifted as required.

Here are a few quick shots I took around five minutes ago.

I will gladly answer any more questions if I can.

Bob Z.

Brad B · « **Reply #12 on:** September 02, 2008, 08:41:25 AM »

Bob, thanks for the pictures!!

The more I see it, the more I want to fly it. I can't wait until winter gets here so I can make one!!

Wynn, thanks in advance for the plans!
Thanks again, B

11290 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 02, 2008, 09:40:02 AM »

Any place to get plans for this (other than Brodak)?

Robert Zambelli · « **Reply #14 on:** September 02, 2008, 10:26:24 AM »

After I made the plans, I sent them to Brodaks.
They're only available there.

Bob Z.

11290 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 02, 2008, 12:42:15 PM »

When I talked to them, the woman said they were not in the plans for sale business.

steve pagano · « **Reply #16 on:** September 02, 2008, 01:24:16 PM »

Bob.

What do you think about the super tigre 34 from tower? stock/reworked? for this bird

john e. holliday · « **Reply #17 on:** September 02, 2008, 06:19:40 PM »

Quote from: 11290 on September 02, 2008, 12:42:15 PM

When I talked to them, the woman said they were not in the plans for sale business.

That is strange, as I just sent an E-Mail and was told the total cost for three sheets to my address. Have fun, DOC Holliday

Robert Zambelli · « **Reply #18 on:** September 02, 2008, 06:57:24 PM »

11290 - who exactly did you speak to?
When in doubt, call John.

Hi, Steve - ST 34? Seems like way too much engine. I'm really not that familiar with it but if one subscribes to the "too much power is not enough" theory then it could possibly do the trick. You might have to widen the fuselage and add lots of tailweight to get things to balance out.

Once you see it in person, you realize that this is really a small airplane.

Remember, it flew perfectly with the Surpass 26, even doing quite well in the wind.

Bob Z.

11290 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 02, 2008, 10:42:20 PM »

No idea who it was that answered the phone. Didn't seem to interested in finding out if they were available or not, just said that they did not sell plans and hung up.

Robert Zambelli · « **Reply #20 on:** September 03, 2008, 07:01:37 AM »

That kind of behavior is not typical of Brodak.
If someone did indeed speak to you like that, I would complain directly to John.
Something is definitely not right.

Bob Z.

Larry Cunningham · « **Reply #21 on:** September 03, 2008, 09:08:11 AM »

Bob,

The plane looks great. The car (even if it is a Ferrari) has to go! Please
horsewhip whoever picked that color..

;->

L.

"Ladies are requested not to have children at the bar." -sign in a Norwegian cocktail lounge

Robert Zambelli · « **Reply #22 on:** September 03, 2008, 09:09:52 AM »

The car (even if it is a Ferrari) has to go! Please
horsewhip whoever picked that color..

Why? What's wrong with that color?

??

Bob Z.

David Shad · « **Reply #23 on:** September 03, 2008, 11:14:08 AM »

Thats a one week build? Wow Tom...you're the man no doubt!!!! I just happen to have an OS .26fs too. Found it
at the Perry Swap event last March for 50 bucks...NIB. Y'all need to come down the first week of March 2009. It
is an awe inspiring sight. Four huge buildings and more than 1000 tables of MODEL STUFF. I even saw Tom H there
last year with a bunch of goodies including a great Webra .28 I wish I had found first. Great airframe Tom. Hope we
see you there again next year too. The red is a-ok too.

David Shad · « **Reply #24 on:** September 03, 2008, 11:17:15 AM »

Don't know why I said Tom instead of Bob....Sorry Bob. Y'all don't even look alike or anything.

Larry Cunningham · « **Reply #25 on:** September 03, 2008, 11:53:08 AM »

"Err.. yeh.. But it looks good on you!" -Rodney Dangerfield