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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: John Carrodus on June 23, 2022, 03:21:04 PM
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A question for all - especially MR Air Ministry.
After the Kim Webby Martin Baker 5 WW2 fantastic fighter, has anyone from anywhere ever built a scale or semiscale stunt version of the amazing Aussie CAC CA 15 Kangaroo?
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A question for all - especially MR Air Ministry.
After the Kim Webby Martin Baker 5 WW2 fantastic fighter, has anyone from anywhere ever built a scale or semiscale stunt version of the amazing Aussie CAC CA 15 Kangaroo?
I do not have any pictures of the few attempts I have seen to do a semi scale stunt version of the CA 15. In most cases, they look like a bloated P-51.
Keith
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Well, it IS kind of a bloated P-51 ...
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Looks like these blokes had a go , but got the wing a bit thin .
(https://militarymatters.online/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/CA-15-mockup.jpg)
S?P
Apparently you blokes wouldnt let them have a R 2800 , so they had to go for a Griffon .
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/ca-15-model-jpeg.560933/)
Of course there was no shortage of R 2800 s lying around in the Pacific , so seems a bit suss .
Multitood of Factory Shots , inc. 2800 mock up . https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/cac-ca-15.52342/
Think the Diheadral on the tailplane might get a bit awkward . F2B . said on the Beaufighter it was to slow the controls - get rid of jumpyness .
Mr Dykes Wyvern he said he thought it unevened the turns . But opposite to what youd expect . Easy on a profile to crank the tailplane , and find out .
Try it flat ( on say a Profile 40 sucker ) then whack the ends UP , of course having made prior allowance ! Then youd have a direct coparison .
Or Ask a Adamison . ;) Eres the fing on Brians https://pampacl.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/SN_Magazine_JAN_FEB_2008.pdf
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Like the P47, huge fuselage compared to the wing. When made as a stunt ship (with smaller fuselage) just doesn't look the same imho.
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Who needs WINGS anyway .
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/328674main_ECN-408_full.jpg)
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/328746main_EC66-1567_full.jpg)
With a Big fuselage , if its well shaped , its displacement of the air is supportive , just ask Benjamin delmar . sideways the gee Bee has no wings
but itll hold ' knife edge ' indefinitely . Id thing the roound engined C A C would likely be easist to get to work right . But the diheadraled Stab. bothers me .
untill Tested .
Tho they both look darn good . And all those Adamisins cant all be wrong . But a ' little test ship ' profile , say with a .25 . to hack about till perfected dimensionally
might save a bit of grief before going ' full sized .
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Who needs WINGS anyway .
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/328674main_ECN-408_full.jpg)
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/328746main_EC66-1567_full.jpg)
With a Big fuselage , if its well shaped , its displacement of the air is supportive , just ask Benjamin delmar . sideways the gee Bee has no wings
but itll hold ' knife edge ' indefinitely . Id thing the roound engined C A C would likely be easist to get to work right . But the diheadraled Stab. bothers me .
untill Tested .
Tho they both look darn good . And all those Adamisins cant all be wrong . But a ' little test ship ' profile , say with a .25 . to hack about till perfected dimensionally
might save a bit of grief before going ' full sized .
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/screenshot_2020-07-22-zapomniany-australijski-mysliwiec-cac-ca-15-kangaroo-smartage-pl-1-png.589298/)
Having the underside radiator thing detachable , like kim's . with maybe a removable wing - You could easier get fuelproofed the inside of the DUCT .
hurricane and P-51 Ive made the thing a DUCT , so its only skins . I believe the flow channed through there leaves a wake . if the duct interior is DESIGNED
rather than left to chance . therefore its pretty much just a skin , and enhances ability rather than interfeering with or impeeding the ships capeabilty .
the important thing is getting a bullet proof flex free durable elevator control system , without a dramatic weight penalty .
(https://rc-sailplane.com/aris/aris_hirata_taillink.jpg)
You can use 1/8 wire , bent thus . with brass tube silver soldered onto the ends , with a saddle strap too . Or steel tube welded ( and bushed )
or maybe heat and flatten the ends , drill , retemper , & bush .With say 2 in long wires to pushrod end , 3 / 32 wire or even 3 mm but longer ,
you use torsion / bend - to alow for the slight misalingnment angularly , through the range of travel . If its been tried and tested ON THE BENCH
untill absolutely free moving , Before even thinking about it ' In Place ' . LEAVING the BENT PUSHROD ENDS - 90 Deg , up at the diheadral angle
two or three inches long , you get to ' fine tune ' the pin alignment ( same trip with bushes . a few inches is easier to eyeball than 1/4 in. -
Align bush before cutting to length . The ends'll likely want twanging radially for for a relaxed ( stress relieved ! ) ' SIT ' in the bushes .
AFTER its all working hunky doorie on the work bench . Test rig in true alignment . Cut the pushrodd ends down to the instaled length , THEN
youve glue getting in the joints fitting it up to worry about . :P
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(https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/cac-ca-15-r-2800-57.jpg)
looks like a focke Wulf Thunderbolt , below .
(https://militarymatters.online/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/CA-15-R-2800-10W.jpg)
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/ca-15-verren-jpg.560916/)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/CA-15_from_Lincoln.jpg)
RIGHt , a volunteer to build one then . form a orderly line .
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SEEING someone MENTIONED THEM , in the 2nd line of the first post ! ;D They designed one for single cylinder engines !
MB 3 , 4 , 5 are essentially the same airframe . initial Contract was for three aircraft . But delays using perfectionist craftsmen caused time escalations .
(https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/data/attachments/27/27590-52c87b1d68900788648d2b4008890ae9.jpg)
As ' WE ' dont often trip across this DRAWING , we thought it had better be got .
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In fact I think the FUSELAGE SIZE is of no cosnsquence . Provideing its considered a an aerodynamic entity . It is the WEIGHT that is the CONCERN .
So some time spent whittling up a plug , and your in buisness . Als egg crate & plaster method likely quickest . cardboard on central dual hardboard .
(https://i.redd.it/x54qey41mvf51.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfsYjj8mswG50Quo_1qOfy3bVY0YScRBnzwQ&usqp=CAU)
Stuffed full of wallboard plaster afet screwed up paper ! Cheap . Or Chip Board from builders skip at timberyard , laminated . Planed and rasped .
Well accept POWER TOOLS may be slight advantage time wise here .
(http://www.machineconcepts.co.uk/aeromodelling/rabe_bellcrank/4241df435c3cabcd.jpg)
(http://www.machineconcepts.co.uk/aeromodelling/rabe_bellcrank/4241de125303a0de.jpg)
Would be similar proportions for the Scale C A C Stunt .
(https://www.airplanesandrockets.com/airplanes/images2/sea-fury-al-rabe-aam-march-1973-17.jpg)